Villains Gonna Vill

Published Jan 11, 2022, 7:24 AM

Connor Saeli from Hannah's season and Bachelor in Paradise joins Ben and Ashley to recap this week's episode of The Bachelor! 


Ashley shares a pregnancy craving that you won't believe. 


And, Ben has a shocking admission that might actually make him rich!

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This is the Benn and Ashley I almost Famous podcast with i R Radio. My goodness, it feels good to be here. This is almost hemous podcast. I'm Ben, I'm Ashley, and it is episode two of Clayton's season. And Ben, um, I'm enjoying you enjoying. I am enjoying. I was just gonna say that. I feel like, hey, I I think we said it best last week. I have no questions about Clayton as a human, Like, this is no critique on Clayton as a human whatsoever. I had questions about him being chosen as the Bachelor. But I'm enjoying this season, which makes me right now say Clayton is doing a great job as our Bachelor. I really think that. Or the producers are doing a great job producing the show. I mean that, and the women are really stepping up. I mean they are really doing more than they were asked. There was there was one tendency of of Clayton's that I picked up though on I think he's very obvious when he's into somebody when he's not. And I think he's going in for kisses with girls that he's not even so into. Why not, I mean, come on now, so for it. I mean, but yeah, we're gonna break down all of this with Connor Saley today, the whole episode. But I will say, uh, as of right now, producers or whatever, I'm enjoying this season. I do not mind watching Clayton on television, which sometimes I have like just this, like I would rather not see you until right now. I'm enjoying watching him. I think I still think he's gonna get have a really hard time. I still think the drama is gonna like weigh on him. I think that is gonna be at times difficult. But the season, the season is gonna be good to watch. Like if I'm just a viewer, it's gonna be good to watch. I agreed. That's what Nick was telling us last week. Let's not give Nick all the credit here. Hey Ashley, it's a it's a big week for you. Um obviously, Uh, we celebrate your baby shower, thanks to hund for that. We also, um, I'm recovering from COVID. So like he didn't have symptoms people he had like a stuff like did you even have a stuff? He knows? He said, I was tired. I was tired, I had stuffy knows I was a little tired. I'm now done. I'm negative. I'm back at the game. I'm ready to go. I'm still a little stuffy, not super stuffy, but I I you know, we made it through it. We worked all week with it, and uh, and we're back healthy and ready for this week's episode. Ashley, You're back home. We talked about on your baby shower episode, which will air the twentie of this month. That's a big episode, that's a lot of we had a lot of fun. It was. It was awesome again. That was just so much fun to celebrate you and bring in some guests. But that will air the twenty But until then, you are back home right now for anybody listening for a few months kind of uh, I'm actually I think I'm gonna say the white right word here. You're nesting until the baby is born. I don't know. No, nesting is when you're like decorating and organizing, and that's the one thing that I can't do, which is so frustrating actually because I want to be getting our house together in Rhode Island. But yeah, he's not going to have a problem. He's gonna My mom literally has turned one of the guest rooms in this house into a baby room. We do have to put that together, but like it's not like we're gonna like decorate it, you know what I mean. Like, I'm not gonna like it's gonna be a functional baby room instead of like a you know, the cute see one that I'll take lots of pictures in. I thought nesting was always like I've always envisioned nesting being like you lay all the blankets and pillows down and you just lay there, Like, wait a second. I like your version way better than the real one. Yeah, I really thought that was what that was. I thought you just like relaxed and hung out and let people take care of you for the next two months because you're about to have a baby. I thought that, I that is what I'm doing. I'm doing the Ben Higgins version of nesting. I like the way that you like visualize an actual nest too, Like it's you know, sitting on really comfy things. That's that's hilarious. I love that. No, it's usually when women like a month before have this crazy urge to like organize the house. Do you want to know something that I have a crazy urge for that I haven't shared anywhere, but like, hey, we have some a few minutes here. Okay, this is a pregnancy craving and it's so wrong. It's so bad. Oh, I'm down for the bad. Let's go hash, come home. I don't know how weird we're gonna get here, but I'm bad. We're gonna get so weird. But apparently it's like not weird because I ped it up. I have like I think it's called pica, and I want to eat cleaning products, Like I have a strong desire to eat cleaning products. Of course I'm not going to, but there's something will they say it could be an iron deficiency. Um, It's very common and pregnant women to want to eat cleaning products and other unedible things. I'm going to bring up to my doctor on Wednesday and just be like, hey, should we test my blood for not even deficiency? Um? Yeah, I know this is super weird, you know, like on my strange addiction, people like I want to eat detergent stuff. I've always wanted to eat powder laundry detergent, and I always have wanted to eat like chlorine tablets for the pool. But right now, like even like my facial exfoliant, which is like it feels like the texture of like a yeah, like it's like a baking soda text or I'm just like, don't do it, don't put in your mouth. Did I want to so bad? And then like every time like a like comment for the bathroom if you like that kind of texture and smell. Oh, it's just overwhelmingly delicious seeming right now, How weird is that? Yeah? I mean if you I mean, if you told me this any other time of your life, I'd be like, actually, like, hey, I love you. You You gotta go get checked out. You're crazy. But this is I mean, at this point, roll with it. Just don't eat it, but roll with it. Okay, speaking off anything weird that you can compare this with. No, no, I've never been pregnant, but speaking of weird things. Right before the listeners came on, we were talking about this reality star who has now retired from selling her jars of farts. She made upwards of two dollars. Oh m G. No I knew about the story, did not know how much she she made. Oh yeah, and she made two thousand dollars. I think it was in two weeks or four weeks or something crazy. You know, I've always questioned, uh, kind of where and how and what to monetize after this show. I've always been one that said, Okay, I will do some things. I won't do other things. But making money from the show is a very good gift. You cannot say no to everything. And there's moments, especially in my lowest points, where I go, wow, some people are just doing it so much better than me. I don't know if that's true. I have no clue how much they're making. I have no clue what their lifestyle is, but I think it. This was not one of those moments. Actually, I never once thought this, but I do have, since we are admitting weird things. When I was an eight year old boy, I did the same thing as her. I farted in a jar and I kept it for days and it lasts. Um, I didn't sell it. I never I didn't have a market for that. But now, yeah, go ahead. Were you open about this, like when you decided to fire in the jar? Um one? Did you have pants on when you did this or was it like real? No, you like, go for it. I mean I was probably seven or eight. I'm sure my parents knew about it. I'm sure they're just like this is this kid is either gonna not be anything good at all or he's just being weird and he's going to be a weird child. Yeah, this is the only child stuff right, You're getting a good look at it. Um. I never thought about this at when I was the Bachelor. This was not something that came to my mind. But could you imagine how much you would have made because she's from She's from Naty Day Fiance? Yeah, I mean the Day Fiance does well, but like the ratings that your season of the Bachelor had so many more, millions of people knew who you were, and like, wow, you could have made a million dollars off farts in two weeks. This is why sometimes I lay in bedded night and I questioned the decisions I've made leading up to this point. This might be one of those tonight where I go, if only, if only? Well wait, no, I'm sorry, I know you want to move on, but now I have to ask you did you Have you ever gotten any weird requests like that, like through cameo because you're very popular on cameo. Jared one time got a request for his feet to be shown for this girl's birthday and we couldn't do it. We just know. And um, the woman who requested was actually a little bit annoyed that we didn't let her know earlier that we were not going to show his feet. I've gotten a couple of feet one I choose to do those. Um, I'm not kidding, I do I choose to do. I'm like at this point, I mean, what's the harm and the and I mean, if they want to see my feet, they can see my feet. How do you go about it? You say hello with your face and then you turned the camera. Faces never shown. I do a little I move defeat left and right, do a little toe wiggle. I've got long toes. I can move them kind of like fingers. I mean say, I'm crossing boundaries for me. I I've questioned this for a while and I said, I'm gonna go for If they want to pay me a hundred bucks to show my feet, I'll show my feet. Next step, Ladies and gentlemen of Ben Higgins foot model on only fans. It's coming. Oh, life takes a turn, you know how some people say it looks like Ben's hit rock bottom. Well, I'm sure they'll be saying that soon. Hey, we got a big episode for you today. Connor Saley is here to break down this episode of the Bachelor. Yes, it's Clayton's second episode. We're enjoying it so far. We're here. We will hear if Connor is as well when we come back with the almost famous podcast. All right, guys, we have Connor Saley on the phone. He is going to be recapping this episode of Clayton's season with us. Um. He's also going to be joining us for an in depth like Ben mentioned earlier. Right now, we want to talk about you know, this episode episode two, Connor, You guys with Hannah's season, we're the last season of guys to live in the Bachelor mansion. Yeah, I know it is it's crazy to think about that, but it's it's good to see everyone back in there. It's been a while. True, that's none ease that Yeah, did wait didn't didn't Peter's I think Peter season. Gona know. Yeah, but you were the last Bachelorte season, last bachelort season, I got last group of guys. It is it is crazy, that is super crazy. I didn't even realize that. Yeah, I only bring that up it's because one of the first scenes of this episode is the girls walking to the mansion like geeking out, And for some reason, this like was real awkward for me because I know that they were trying to encapsulate the excitement of moving back into the mansion and like where we're shooting here again. Yeah, but it was so weird because like the girls were there the night before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is a weird scene. I guess what a lot of people don't realize is you like go back to your hotel after and then you like fully move in a day later. So it is a little weird. It was cool watching it, I guess, like a little nostalgic because I remember there was a scene they're like screaming out of the balcony and I was like, that was my room. Yeah, yeah, I got a question for you too. There is a moment where somebody said this mansion is iconic in historicious but also accurate. Well, how do you how do you uh put something in the historic category because I believe this mansion was built in the early two thousand's, it hasn't been the Bachelor mansion for the entirety of the Bachelor like seasons. I was like, well, iconic, yes, historic maybe not yeah, not not so much. It's like a nice new house kind of like it's pretty nice. Yeah, definitely not not not historic, but very very iconic. You know. I do love the house. It brings me so much nostalgia. And it's weird because we only shot in it for like ten days, and with Chris soul season, we spent four shooting weeks there. You know, four episodes were there, and that's longer than most. I don't know, I guess it's where all like the first feelings started to develop. It felt like a big frat house. Yeah, nobody knows this, but like I don't know if we've ever talked about this podcast, Connor, you gotta tell me if you had this go down on your Bachelor that season. But there's there's not many like bathrooms at that mansion. I mean, especially from the amount of guys that are there initially, and at some point there are signs that were put up, like as you walked in the bath and they said, please don't do anything that cloggs the drains. Did that happen in your season? I'm pretty pretty sure it did happen. I think we had a couple of clock toilets on there. Yeah. I will probably contributed to that too. And you know it's not just boys. We had clocked toilets too. They were clogged all the time. I just don't think the water pressure is very good in those toilets. Yeah, I think that. I don't know if you either of you were in that big room that has I think there were maybe like fifteen of us in there, ten to fifteen of us, and there's only one bathroom for that room, So that one always had an issue with the plumbing, just because so many people are using that. I used to always do my private stuff downstairs because there was only, like, you know, one room, and you could lock the door and you didn't have to worry about somebody like walking in and trying to do their makeup or something while you were doing something else. Anyway, Okay, so the girls come in. It's a little bit funny. Uh. Jesse brings in a date card. This one is for Teddy and see Molina, Gabby, Kira, Mara, Sierra, Genevieve, Serene and Cassidy and the card reads, this is what dreams are made of and that is pretty that's a pretty cool hint that Hillary Duff is going to be on this group date. So I didn't even put that together. Hey now, hey, now, very cool dreams. I mean, such a good movie, such a good movie, good song. It's like, don't sing it because it's gonna be stuck in my head for weeks and weeks. Now, um, so this is like up there when it comes to special celebrity guests, Like we had Mila Kuna as a national culture which is probably the top tier we'll ever get, and now Hillary Duff it's a pretty big deal. Yeah, No, Hillary Duff is. She's a big time for sure. She looks so hot, she looks so good. I have not seen her in a lot. I don't know if she's been in any movies or anything. In a wild I feel like I haven't seen her in a very long time. So it was it was kind of cool though, see her again. Well, she has basically this thing set up in the backyard where the girls are going to have to put together a kid's party or like dollhouses or something like that. Actually, I don't even know if it was very clear what the objective was, but they had to like entertain they had to build things to entertain children, and it was put together the party for all the kids. Yeah right, Um, it was very weird. When I was one girl, I don't remember which one it was sees the kids. No, No, sees the kids, and she goes, oh my god, I love children. Yeah that's that. I wonder when anybody else. I wasn't gonna say it because I was like, I don't know how to feel about it. But when that happened, that gave me a little He was like, yeah, I've been cool. I love children. So weird. It was reminded me of like Sarah Dusica Parker and Hookus Pokus and she's like, boys, like I love children. You know, it's like you want to eat them or something. Well, we didn't go that far here anyway. Cassidy is the one that really dominates this date because she keeps pulling Clayton aside, trying to get one on one time with him. She's quite successful at it. She like basically has two big makeout sessions with him while the other girls are doing their tasks. I don't really remember anybody else having any significant time with him during this activity part. I don't think anybody did to be honest or at least that we saw um. But I don't know. I feel like it's a weird It's a weird balancing act you have to do if you're one of the contestants. I guess it's like, obviously you want to spend time, but you want to get along with everybody else and kind of like pull your weight in the tasks a little bit. So I'm a little unsure of how I felt about that. I feel like she maybe one a little bit over I was trying to pull him a little overboard. But I'd also say like, nothing about it really bothered me. I was like, she's really aggressive. We'll see how he responds to this. I wouldn't call her actions villainous, ben I wouldn't say villainous. That would not be how I categorized it. But and I could be different here, But I watched a show, and I think it's just my personality. I'm I would be more attracted to somebody that followed the rules. So if I knew that somebody pulled me aside while other people were like carrying the weight of setting up this party, that would be unattractive for me. I would be like, hey, go back and do that. We're gonna have our time later to talk. So it's not villainous. It just h it. I don't like it, like and that just might be me. I just don't find it um attractive. Yeah, well, look at how Michelle responded in a similar situation last season when guys weren't coming up to her during that part of the group date. She got really offended. But nobody was working during that group day, like that was like a fun play time. It's it's these dates that people are like, you know, picking up stuff for optical courses or stuff like that, and they're like, hey, go do that, have fun with that and then come back. Because this isn't a good look for anybody. But that just could be me. I'm not saying it's the right or wrong thing. I just I wouldn't like it. Kind of would you like it? No, I don't think I would have. I mean the way I would have foreseen if I was the bachround that date kind of like popping around to all the different stations being set up and everything and seeing the kind of the woman in action, like helping out and maybe help them out to get to know them a little bit. But I feel like her continually pulling him kind of took away from his experience from getting to know other people too. So yeah, probably a little bit frustrating for him, even though it seemed like he liked it. Though. I do think this and and Connor before you came on, we're talking. Hey, we had our questions about Clayton as the Bachelor now because he's a bad dude. But just like anybody had questions about him, Like, we don't know him. He definitely was not a fan favorite, so we have a ton of questions about him. I do think maybe one critique of him so far is as soon as there's options to kiss, uh, he's gonna start kissing, Like there's no like, whenever conversations get to a certain point, there's like a tipping point. You know, maybe he doesn't have a follow up question or he's put an uncomfortable situation, he just starts kissing, which works because you know, I mean, it's kind of what the show is known for. But I do I do think he's just gonna, like if anybody wants to kis him. I think he's just down to make out. Yeah, I feel like you kind of saw that. I mean, we'll probably talked about it later, but as the episode went on, it seems like opportunities arose for that even more, and he definitely did Yeah that's just okay. Is this like a girl versus guy thing? Like I would never if things got awkward and I didn't know what to say and I wasn't like super attractive or like really into someone, I wouldn't be like, Okay, well now here's the now, I'm just gonna kiss him. I'd be like, all right, well, time's up? Is this? But like with guys, is it like just like you know what kissing is fun? I'll do it with anyone. I don't know. I feel like, at least when I was on When I was on there, I feel like you would just be so focused and like dialed in in a way of like wanting to kiss the person that they would be talking and then I would like totally forget what they were talking about, and you just say like yeah, yeah, and then you end up just starting to kiss. So it wasn't like the conversations died down. I feel like it was almost intentionally died down in order to kiss. Okay, especially as time goes on, Like as time goes on, you get what ten or fifteen minutes with this person, it's probably the only time we're gonna see him all week. If you don't kiss him, you're not going to kiss him for like ten days or whatever. And you're like, I'm supposed to be dating this human, but so yeah, I get it. Like as time goes on, you start kisse. And I just think Colton or Clayton jumped out of the gate very fast, like he's just like, let's you know, let's let's just start kissing night one. And I mean it seems like it's working okay. And it's also kind of hilarious and worth mentioning that Cassidy says she tries to avoid times with She said she she tries to spend us a little time around kids as possible. She basically says, that's the kid's face, which I think is kind of hilariously honest. Yeah. Yeah, you can't get mad with somebody for being honest. No, true, I thought it was so funny. I mean, obviously sad when she dropped the cake though, yeah that hurts, and I forget who made the cake, but that that girl was pissed. You can't so like people ask you know. I'm sure we've all got it, but like, hey, how fake is this show? How much of it is produced? It's like, hey, think it's a show, so like you have to understand that, Like the producers know what they're doing. That's one of those moments of the producers are sitting back and they're like, oh, this is gold. Like we could have planned this. We couldn't fake this, we could have make this is this is perfect. The villain of the day brings the cake out and drops it home run. Yeah, that that situation played out perfectly for TV for sure. All right, let's give forward to the nighttime portion. I think the most the most standout for me in this was Serene, who is a teacher. She said she loved being around the kids and playing um. She said that, like her intention wasn't going into teaching, but that's how things evolved for her. And it wasn't like she said anything significant that made me be like, oh, well, this girl is awesome. But I did feel like he was the most into her, and he said something along the lines of like there's something we haven't done together and that is kissed, So can I do it? Yeah? I liked her a lot too. I felt like their conversation the nighttime part, it just it felt like there was more of a connection there than the other woman that we had seen time with him. So I I thought she was kind of the stand out that date, at least in the nighttime part for me, But really we didn't really get to see much of anyone else. Now. The only other thing I can remember really is Teddy saying to Clayton that it was emotional for her to see him with other girls after getting the first impression Rose, and that she's going to need like a lot of words of affirmation. She's going to need to be like secured. She's going to need to like to be told a lot throughout this journey that he still likes her. That's a big moment. I'd be shocked if Teddy isn't in the final two. I mean, I also go that far now. I just think out of all many recent seasons, she's one of those cast members that stand out in so many different ways. I also thought this was a great time for Clayton and he did a tremendous job at it when she said that, and you know he's into her very obvious. He takes that moment, and he says, I will reassure you, like I will make sure you know how like much I want you here so now And this is hard on this show, but like now it opens up the space for them to have those conversations where like sometimes you like, I don't know how they feel about me, I don't know if he likes me, if she likes me. Now I think like they're gonna be able to progress because they're gonna be able to start saying like, I'm really is glad you're still here. I missed you, And she's gonna know he means it, and he's gonna know she means it. That's why I think they have such a powerful, powerful story ahead of him. Yeah, Ben, having so having been the Bachelor before, I guess this first week of dates, how big were those for you in terms of like you obviously had the first impressions from the first row ceremony, but like actually having conversations where like after that first week of dates where you're like, Okay, these are you know, there's a handful of people I could really see this with. Did you kind of have that like solidified in your head or not, like a group of people, but I'd say there's like i'd say, the first impressions, I'm I really I think I have always been very impacted by first impressions, and so i'd say there's like two or three women after the first night and the first week, I mean, I kind of went it at it with a different strategy. I was trying to identify the ones that were like loose cannons first. So like I was always gonna look out for, like what signs are here that, like, this person doesn't get along with others, this person is like pulling me away all the time, knowing that like this is a huge, huge, like group of people still, and so I was mostly whittling it down from the back to the front, I felt like. And then there was like two or three after the first week that I remember going, I think you're gonna be here a while and and and in fact a lot of them were there for a long time because of their like mostly their behavior around other people and on group dates. Group dates are a great time to see like, honestly, who are the producers are paying the most attention to, who seems to be asking for the most attention, who's arguing with those who's the one tattle telling on everybody, like you can really start to see that, you know, week one mm hmm, super interesting, Um that you would look out for who's interacting with producers the most. So now we get to the group date Rose and Cassidy gets it because she was the one who made the most effort he said, and getting to know him, and he likes that she's like putting off that confident, semi aggressive vibe. I remember this. You know, he'll learn a lot watching the show back for us his viewers. We're watching this and going she was pulling him all the time, she made all these girls upset, like you know, she did all this. He doesn't see half of that. I mean, honestly, he doesn't even know half of that's going on. All he sees is this girl that's like very into him, pulling him away, coming to talk to him, like reassuring him. He doesn't know right now of the drama really going on behind the scenes. And so I'm not shocked she got the first impression Rose, because out of all this day, out of this whole date or group date, Rose, Um, out of this date, I think he she did she stepped up. Now, I don't think it's a good long term strategy. I don't see this lasting for a while, but at this point, I think he just recognized she's into me. She made an effort, and I need to reward that at some level, not knowing the consequences behind the scenes, Yeah, i'd agree with that, and I feel like for him to, I mean, he hasn't been in this situation before. He you know, wasn't didn't go that far in Michelle season, and he went pretty far, but I wasn't there at the very end. So he's been kind of thrown into this. And i'd imagine on the first date of the whole experience, you're probably looking for, you know, someone who's really you know, giving a lot of validation and reassurance. And so she definitely did that. And so as a viewer, you're right, it's like, why why in the world did he give that to her? But I can understand why he did. It makes sense. So Susie has the one on one day and they go on a helicopter ride. She seems she says she's nervous, but she seems very in her element, like she seems pretty comfortable, very excited, very positive to things that he's really into They land on an amazing yacht. They get to like hang out in the water and just lounge on the boat for a while. You can tell he's so into her. I think she's into him. But I think there's definitely an imbalanced there. I don't know if you guys picked that up, Yeah you did. I don't know what it is. I just don't. I just don't see it with them. I think there's a just like, obviously, she's like a very attractive girl. She has that like bubbly personality, which I think is super attractive. You know. I'm sure Colton finds it that way, but I did the same thing. Man. It's it's it's just part of it. I think this year. Yeah, um, but I feel like I just don't think she's as into him, to be honest, I really don't. That's interesting. I mean we kind of got that hint right when. I mean, if I remember, right when she left in the day, one of the other girls was saying that she just didn't seem that excited, uh, And she broached that with Clayton right away. She said, Hey, I'm super nervous. I'm excited to be here with you, but I'm just super nervous. However, um yeah, I think when this date ended, even I have a feeling this girl is going to break Clayton's heart. He's gonna be really into her, and at some point I believe later on she's gonna probably step away and it's gonna be one of those moments that we see him right, I think she. I think I just get that sense right now that that could turn. Right. We've seen this turn and connections build. But I'm with you too, I just didn't feel it on her side to you know, for him, she's going to be somebody that breaks his heart. Yeah. I do see her going very far though, too, And honestly, I don't know what it is. Maybe it's because she looks very similar to Hannah Brown. Yeah she does. There were a lot of times I saw I was like, wait is that? But I could almost see her as like the next Bachelaratte. I feel like she kind of has that like you know, I don't know, there's something he has that presence. It definitely does. Um yeah, we'll see. I mean I feel like every time like he would go in for a kiss, it was like she was like, Okay, so let's see how it evolves. All right. Next up, we have the second group date where we do get I think truly villainous behavior from Chee. We're just gonna call uh. So she definitely targets this girl Elizabeth for absolutely no reason. So they walk into this barn. There's a comedian at the desk set up like a classroom, and she and she she's telling them that they're going to play a game of Uh. Never have I ever was just actually like, I think really fun and well I was terrified of this game in my mid twenties when people would be like people would be like, never have I ever like done something great, like, you know, something sexual, right, And I would just be like, I want to avoid this game at every single in every single way. Oh yeah, I know, right, Oh my god, but it was so awkward. Um. Now I think it'd be so much fun to play, and I think it gets you to know people well, So I'm like really down for this. Um And then this schirl Elizabeth seems very nice. She sits down next to Clayton and it's like can I sit here? And He's like yeah, and and it's really annoys to the point where she like makes her her villa like makes her the target for the rest of the day. Um, they're like sort of learning, I guess, because like they're sitting next to each other. But there wasn't some crazy chemistry. If I was she inanee, I wouldn't be like, oh my god, threat alert, threat alert. But she definitely feels So I just want to go on record because last week I said I have a feeling the sane girl is gonna be a villain. I just get to get the feeling. I I just I just want to put it out there. If I have one skill set in life, it's being an expert at the Bachelor. So I think before too, they showed a scene of I think it was Cassidy and talking, and I feel like I feel like casting may have like planted the idea that she should just like go for it, keep pulling him all of that stuff, and then I feel like she wasn't able to do that, and then she just like went on this rampage of you know, just being like piste off about it. Can you guys remind me in recent memory, has there ever been the two like biggest villains in quotes um team up on this show? I mean I feel like they're like a tag team right now, like ones pouring in the other being like, don't let this person win, watch out for the front runner, like cut him off at the knees, Like I've never I don't remember the villains, Like, yeah, it was like j J and Nclint. So that was the last time they did this. Yeah, it didn't work out well for him either. Okay, yeah, villain's got a vill Well these two are trying to vill and uh, it just I don't know. In my opinion, Shene has so much on Cassidy as far as the villain goes. Um, but we fast forward, Yeah, let's let's fast forward to the nighttime portion because the obstacle course didn't really do much. Um as far as the building connections, Um, we see that cast that that um, Shene just it just goes right after Elizabeth and says that she's to to face bitch for just no reason to Clayton, and I'm just like, where is she pulling this out of? She ends up um having a little like one on one time with Elizabeth, and she says, there was that conversation we were having back at the house and you just didn't seem to be engaged with me. It was like you were ignoring me straight to my face. And then Elizabeth explains that she's a d h D, which means that she has a hard time focusing on two things at once, so she might be zoned in on one person's conversation and have to block out the other. She says, she's so sorry if that's kind of what happened, but it seems very genuine, and that is that is truly a possibility. Yeah, no, no, hundred percent. And that was like such a weird conversation at the end too, because they like hugged and made up, but they definitely didn't make up the whole thing. But Ben, Ben, I'm curious because you said, like a red flag for you was um, people like not getting along in the house and stuff like that. So I guess if this has brought to your attention. And there's always someone every season that's like telling the Bachelor the Bachelorette, like the issues that are going on in a way, like tattling for whatever, Like how how would you sort through that whole situation? I mean, I think it's pretty obvious when you're in it too. You know who's coming to protect you or like a lot of people wouldn't tell you for the sake of they don't want to involve involve themselves in the drama. They don't feel like it's really their role to bring it to your attention. I had it happened once during my season where somebody brought brought it up to me, and I could tell that they're coming from a place of I just need you to know this is happening behind the scenes, and that was my own fault. So this happened in the Bahamas. The one of the girls came to me and said, the girls are starting to get really upset because you seem to only be paying attention to a few select women. And I said, thank you for telling me, because that wasn't my hope. It wasn't how I want to operate. But I can see that now that was good. Like I could tell they cared if it was this girl is doing this and this girl is doing this. I I just don't need you to tell me that as the Bachelor. It's not you guys need to figure it out your adults. Ultimately here, I'm looking for my wife ultimately here, Like my hope is that this leads to something like really special, and I would hope my wife is pretty good at conflict resolution and is pretty good at getting along with others, and so, you know, stuff like this would have been definitely a red flag for me because I just would have I mean, I think I would have taken a step back and been like this, well, as great as maybe you even are, this isn't gonna work because this feels like we're back in middle school and I'm not looking for a middle school date right now. In the tattle tale situation, that was, yeah, the tattle tale situation, and then also the kind of the follow up to it, uh, you know, not even Elizabeth. Elizabeth was I think thrown off and confused. I wasn't. I didn't have I wouldn't maybe see it that way with her. I think just shene being just so angry at this and all the other girls. If you could have like looked around, like what I would have done if I was Clayton Now, I don't know if I would have, because hindsight, what I think he could have done in that moment is asked the girls do you feel the same way in that group setting? And make them respond then, because I think that he would have seen. No, this is an Elizabeth problem. This is it was a total newbie move, like it was definitely out of not having a lot of experience in the first season. I feel like, yeah, well, I mean and also I just don't understand kind of you could maybe speak into this. It always shocks me. But China right now is saying that she is here for Clayton, so we gotta believe it. We don't. We can't assume anything else. So she's obviously wanted to be with Clayton. So the strategy she takes is to be the one that takes out everybody else. That strategy has never worked in any dating relationship of any kind, So why do they resort to that? Like who what person goes? Especially on this show with most people now who are on the show have seen a previous season. They go, this is what I'm gonna how I'm gonna win Clayton. I'm going to make sure that everybody else looks bad and I will be standing at the end. Like that just doesn't work, right, Yeah, No, I mean that never literally never works. That person always just ends up being the villain. Um. But I feel like it is an intimidating environment walking into a room. At least on our season, thirty dudes that are all like, you know, good lucking, doing a lot of cool stuff in their lives. Is big, strong, Paul whatever. And so you know, I think some people you kind of go into more of like a defensive mode and try and just like knock people down. And it's like that's what she's doing almost just like knocking people off until she's going on left standing. Well, there are two moments we really have to talk about before we wrap the recap portion of this up. One when Elizabeth and Sheeny face each other again at the cocktail party and really becomes a villain, like this is her, this is mean stuff. She's like, she's like, she has a d D. You know, she has a d D. That's something that little kids have. The fact that she kept bringing that up over and over again and and totally making it seem like it was like an excuse that Elizabeth came up with was outrageous. Well, and she didn't she tell everybody to um, yeah, it's not really her her thing to tell everyone right out of pocket of her, but her to make it a joke. Yeah, it was crazy. Then there is Cassidy and she gets called out, rat it out um that she has a friends with benefits for the past couple of years at home, and he's all like, well, when you come back from this show, let's watch it together and hook up. This is not a villainous move. Again, the stop trying to make Cassie a villain of friends with benefits at home. If that was ever going to turn into something that could have turned, that would have turned into a relationship. At this point, everyone has someone that they're texting or something mild at home. You're attractive twentysomething, are you guys telling me that you didn't have one person that you would like maybe casually go on a date with when you were on the Bachelor. I So I'm a little torn with this one too, because I feel like it depends on the intent. If she if she was like going on the show just to go on and had this friends benefits at home after that she was like planning to come home too, then I feel like that's not I don't know if I really vibe with that. But if she had a friends with benefits before and then it was like all in and like all right, I'm gonna see if, like Clayton, if I could, you know, if I'm his person, if we should be together, then I think it's different. But if if she went in with the intent of like just leaving at some point and like, oh, I don't think that's what it was at all. I feel like this is just some guy that she hooks up with casually at home. She has no intention. Weren't they weren't they messaging like in the hotel right up to the end, or that face until the end, and he was saying, come back and watch this with me. And I mean, I know if I was Clayton and I ended up with Cassidy and I get off the show and this guy is texting her and he's and I'm like, well, who is this? And she tells me, oh, this is the guy I was dating and talking to. And I said, well, up to win and she goes the night before the show, I wouldn't be thrilled, like I would not be. Maybe I'm making it seems maybe it's less casual than I'm making it seem in my head because I'm thinking, like if they end up together, oh, she's she'll never even respond to this guy because it won't even be like a thing because they were nothing. Maybe not. We just don't know that, I'm saying at this point with what we know, I don't I wouldn't love it like it wouldn't be a thing. I would. I don't think it's a great move. I'm not saying it's a deal breaker. I'm not saying if he finds out, she should be like on the first flight home. But this is just not a jet situation, is what I'm saying. According to Jet, it is you're right. I guess you're right. So so wait, so so Cassidy already has a rose then I think at the preview, Clayton asked Jesse if anyone's ever taken a rose back? Yeah, you do you think he's going to take the rose back? Yeah? I do. I think she's going to get eliminated, Yeah, Or do you think he's gonna I think he's gonna take it back. But and then I think one at the rose ceremony, that's a possibility to Yeah. I do believe there has been some roses taken back in the history. I can't remember. I just remember something happening like that. It's definitely not the first time I just don't remember the last time I didn't Jesse give someone a rose he wasn't supposed to give. Yeah, Jesse Palmer was, Yeah. It's famous for calling the wrong name and looking at the girl and being like sorry. She starts walking. He's like, sorry, you had to turnaround and walk back back, didn't. I think he still gave her a rose, so did he she. I think she ended up staying for a little bit too. I don't know. That was the start of his hosting career right there. That was it. He knew at that moment, I'm gonna be back here one day and leading this thing. You guys, I really hope I'm not like the odd one out in like defending Cassidy here with this friends with Benefits situation. I guess I going onto the show was just like, is there somebody that I will definitely see when I get home if this doesn't work out? Sure, But if I end up being engaged to Crystals, will I ever text him again? No? So I guess I'm just thinking about two personally. You don't there, you go, well, it's it's it is also, I mean, kind of the cliffhanger that we leave this episode on. I mean, this is where we're wondering for next week, what's going to happen? We do get a weird um. I don't know if you noticed this, but in the teaser, because I was wondering if you know, would still be around. We see her in the Baywatch dates, so we know now she's here for next week. Is a very clear picture of her. We don't see Cassidy in any of the teasers, but that is the cliffhanger, and so we'll take a vote here to close out this episode or this segment with our good friend Connor. Connor, do you believe Cassidy is going home? Yes or no? No? Ashley, do you believe Cassidy is going home? Yes or no? Yes. I think she's gonna go home, and I think she will fill in as primary villain. I am gonna say that this is she carried too big of a role in this episode and there's still too much to be uncovered about her story that I think she stays. I just don't. I think her time is limited. I don't think she makes it past the next episode. That's my vote. I have no clue what's happening. Hey, to close this whole thing out on this episode. Connor, what are your thoughts on Clayton so far as the Bachelor? So I'll be I watched the first episode and the second episode back to back, so I kind of seen the whole evolution here. I feel like he started out a little rusty, not gonna lie, I was a little dull. I think he can realized that maybe a little bit. But I think at the end of this second episode he kind of warmed up a bit. It seemed like he was more engaged in the conversations and was actually like talking to people versus just trying to kiss them, although he did do that. So I think he's in my opinion, he's he's doing better. Um. I think he's actually you know, engaging with the woman more and um I think as the season goes on more he will keep getting better. So I'm honestly I'm excited. I think it's cool that they chose someone that's maybe a little bit more unknown. It is cool to kind of get to know that person to a little bit. But I think there's a lot there is a lot still to be learned about Clayton. I really don't know anything about him, to be honest, Yeah, I don't know if we're ever going to that's the weird part um. Actually you'll know why. But this episode did end with being one of my least favorite episodes I've ever seen, And really I thought the top of the show we just kind of said that we enjoyed it. Just I don't even know if you'll be understand why. But the very end of this episode ends with a clown. The end of the episode was one of your least favorite parts of a clown and that's just inappropriate. It's not needed. It brings out fears and the audience. Are you Are you afraid of clowns massively? I really just hate clowns so much. Oh my gosh. Do you remember when there was like a clown thing a few years ago? Uh, it was like four or five years ago. I was senior in college and like clown They were like clowns are hiding the woods. Yeah yeah, and they even like I was a senior in college, they had to shut down high schools in the area because they were like clowns showing up on campus. No, I'm so afraid of clo I hate clowns so much. There's nothing about him makes sense to me. They should not be around kids. They should not be around adults. In fact, I just don't want to exist. Um, I think they're going to stop with our generation guys, Like, I don't think like anybody in our generation is going to hire a clown for our kid's birthday. I want to I don't want to meet that person, if there is one of them. H Connor, thanks for joining us. Uh, we're gonna be back with you. Will be sharing an episode. We're gonna do it in depth with you here very soon. Catch up on your life, everything you're up to. But until then, thanks for breaking down this episode with us. Thank you for having me. It's time for Bachelor headlines with our resident expert, Ashley I Connetti. First headline is this and it's a big one. The Bachelor's Claire Crawley and Blake Monar get cozy after Dale Moss break up. This corn to eat. Okay, So our producers sent us this headline the other day and I was like, Blake Monar, I was like Blake Moyn's I was like, in my head, I thought that she had sent like a typo, and I was like, I mean, like that could make sense at least like for jealousy purposes for a couple of months, you know, the two of them trying to get flirty. But then I click the link and I see it's Blake Monar, And then I click on who Blake Monar is on Instagram. Still can't figure it out, Like this guy looks kind of random and he has twenty followers, and I don't really particularly remember him from anything. And then I find out that he was all in Bachelor and Paradise this season. Yeah, whoops, that Blake, the Blake who went out with Tia. That's what I thought. Yeah, and he was on Claire's season originally. Um. And the two of them hung out and they were looking kind of cozy. Um. They Claire also said something on her Instagram about how like she went somewhere for business wherever they were hanging out, which was Indiana. Said one for business left with the most unexpected, remarkable memories. Indie, you were truly beautiful and exactly what my soul needed. I'm telling you everybody should go Indiana to find love. It is the place my stopping grounds. Actually, don't forget that. Yeah. And then somebody was asking about this rumored something something, and Claire said Blake is the sweetest person. He truly is, So let's see what develops from there. It could be really awesome. Love these stories. Yeah, we'll watch this as we go. Well, kind of turning the page a little bit to a whole new chapter. Bachelor in Paradise favorites uh Riley and Marissa. Well, this is the headline. Fans think they've called it quits. This according to screen Ran, Yeah, we also got to text about this from our producer this week. So immediately I went over to Marissa's Instagram, in which I remember her, like from the previous night saying something like she just wanted to like get dolled up for no reason. And I was like, oh, now it makes even more sense because now she wants to look really hot for him on Instagram. Um, the rumor is that they have maybe broken up sometime since Christmas till now because they were hanging They were hanging out, they spent Christmas together. Um, Riley has those pictures up on his Instagram. Marissa no longer has those pictures up on Instagram. The last pictures of her and Riley together are from October on her Instagram. So I do feel like we can read into this a little bit. Um doesn't sound good. It doesn't and that was one of our favorite couples coming out of Paradise. So we hope they can rekindle or remind or if they might be still together and just being quiet for now. But that's the rumor spreading. Well another rumor, uh Bachelor Nations, Blakeman and Love his Blinds Janina Gibelly. I hope I said that right? Are dating this according to E as well? Hey, can we accord it to Ben Higgins as well? Because you're pretty close to Blake. Can you talk to him about this? I am off the record. Come on, I'm off the record. Well you did you know that he was dating someone? I knew he was on a reality show? Uh, what do you mean he's on another reality show? Yeah? I knew. I knew there was breaking breaking news, so um yeah, I knew that, but I did not know how it turned out. And so it seems like it's turned out very well for him. Oh so they meet on this reality show. I don't know. You tell me what's the headline. The headline is just that they're dating, not that the heavilions that they're dating, and that like possibly like, I don't know that they It says they're very new and they aren't rushing into anything. Blake says that she's really fun and down to earth. Um. Blake posted a picture of himself on New Year's Eve at the Mile High Spirits uh and uh. Apparently she also uploaded a picture of herself standing in front of some very similar looking barrels in the bar on Instagram. So it looks that they spent New Year's Eve together. Oh. Gianna even posted repeat after me, I'm about to walk into the best year of my life and then the person. The source says that they spent New Year's Year together and they have been getting to know each other. They have a long common due to their experiences on reality TV. I didn't watch all of his blind I'll be honest, but from what I did watch of it, I thought that Gianna was super sweet, really cute. I like this coupling, and now with Ben's little tidbits, I'm wondering if they met some on some sort of reality show. Jeez, I'm ruining everything today. Um, It's okay, but yes, I mean, if they if they've got something going, Blake is a buddy. I like to see him happy. In fact, I think the dog that Jessica and aer Um looking adopting is living in Blake's house with a lease right now. Um, so could possibly be a thing. Maybe I'll ask the puppy, Hey, hey, pup, what have you seen? What have you seen? What have you seen? Maybe maybe some maybe some things he doesn't want to talk about. Yeah, he's too young to see those things. Too young. Well, this is a big headline, um, because I think it really speaks to Clayton and probably why I believe he will go down as a good bachelor, if not a bachelor, if not one of the favorite batchelers. I think he's pretty self aware. I think he understands um criticism and where it comes from. Well, well, here's the headline. Clayton Eckered responds to Nick's Nick File questioning him being chosen as the bachelor. The statement Clayton makes is I don't harbor any resentment toward him. There's an interesting quote in here. Actually I'd love for you to read, because I really do you think it speaks to who Clayton is. All right, So this is what he said in reference to you know, Nick not thinking initially that he was the best choice because you know, Nick kind of backtracked after seeing the first episode. Uh, he goes, this is what Clayton said. I thought there were points where my personality did come through. I thought the date with Michelle and all that actually went really well. I thought it showed my goofy side. It showed my dance moves, which is why I said it's my resolution this year, I want to get better at them. Um. But it showed this playful side of me. Um. Then he said, there's a little snippet. I guess where it was, just a little snippet per se. I guess. I don't know how much screen time I had, maybe ten twenty minutes, whatever it was, It wasn't much. But when Nick made the comment about him being an unconventional pick, he this is what Clayton thought. He said, Okay, I can see where you're coming from. But but then again, um, you're gonna get plenty of time to see me now on my season going forward. Um. He also said that if he still feels that way, Nick still feels this way towards the end of it, then then fair sure, Um, we'll have a conversation at that point. I'll talk to him. You know, what is it that you don't get? But for right now, I do understand. I don't harbor any resentment for somebody that makes a comment like that. I think it's his platform. He kind of speculates on all these things. He doesn't know a thing about me. Yeah, hey, um, you know, Nick's a podcast toast. You can get paid having opinions. And I think a lot of people's opinions were who next is Clayton guy? But as Clayton said, we'll get to know him more as the season goes on. Let's hold her judgment, even though even here at the Almost Famous podcasts were like, how in the world that they choose this dude? He wasn't even shown, But after two episodes, we're going okay, makes a little more sense. Big headline here. Former bachelortte Andy Dorfman's new boyfriend revealed inside their fairy tale romance. This according to fairy Tale Romance. At first on Instagram, she was keeping his face like kind of concealed if you noticed. But now we know who he is. His name is Lane Heart, and he is a man from her past. They met each other years ago during college through a mutual friend. Um who the mutual friend, went to school with Blaine in South Carolina. They both happened to be in Italy at the same time this past summer and reconnected after fifteen years and they've been together ever since. Wow, that's kind of cool. Um and the inside source tells e that this is the fairy tale that Andy has always dreamed of. She's never been happier before in her life. Wow. What a headline. Well, hey, that's all we have for today. What an amazing episode. Thank you to Connor Saley for coming on and breaking down this week's episode with us. We're also going to have him for an in depth episode dig into who he is as a person here uh and that will be posted very very soon, But until then, thanks for joining us. I've been in, I've been Ashley. Bye, guys, thanks for listening. Follow the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on I Heart Radio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.

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