Ben and Ashley check in with the 3rd Bachelorette in history, Jen Schefft! She gets real about her experience on the show and how things have changed 14 seasons later. 

Jen sticks around to help us recap this week’s episode of Katie’s season, including the trouble with Carl. Do you think Katie handled him the right way??

And, we finally have more information about Chris Harrison’s departure, and what the franchise will look like without him.