DeAnna Pappas Stagliano (Season 4 Bachelorette) joins Ben and Ashley to give her take on Katie’s season so far.
This week gave us one of the weirdest starts to an episode in franchise history… is the show running out of ideas??
Ben and Ashley share their honest thoughts the “fake wedding” scenes and how they can impact a relationship.
Plus, Ashley has a major fangirl moment with a Backstreet Boy!
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Well, hey everybody, if you haven't heard yet, I'm engaged and I'm getting married very very soon, and we want to celebrate with all of you. Yes to almost in his family has been incredible to me and Ashley over the last few years. And now we're welcoming Jessica into the party. And so this we're gonna do on July from five to six pm Pacific. We're gonna have a live engagement party for Jessica and myself. Tickets are in sale now at looked live dot com. Here's the deal. We're getting married, we want to celebrate, and we're gonna have an engagement party in Napa with a few of our close friends, Ashley, Jared, Nick, Dean Kalin Wells. We're gonna toast to jess and I celebrate love, celebrate life. It's gonna be a great time. We love to have you join us for the almost Famous Me and jess engagement party benefiting Humanity and Hope United, one of my most personal nonprofits and I'm a part of the board of and so this is a huge deal to me. So make sure you get a looped live dot com that's l O O p E D l I V e dot com Again. That's l O O p E d l I v E dot com. See you soon. This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast with I R Radio. Hi, guys, we have a very special episode of the Almost Famous Podcast. You know why because Nick Carter is on. Holy crap, guys, I was just casually looking at my rundown, um, you know, a couple of hours ago and seeing who was on the podcast, I thought it was Dianna Pappas is week. I'm okay, I wonder if we have anyone else? And then Nick Carter, I'm like, are you guys kidding me? What if I didn't look at the rundown until like five minutes beforehand, then I would have showed up looking like I always do, which today I'm gonna be honest, don't look that much different. But I did put eyeliner and mascara on for neck. It's a big week. Deanna Pappas is here and Nick Carter, so we have two massive I guess we have to we should refer to as Dianna Peppis Staglionio because you know that's the real name. Now, it's a huge week, two incredible guests, action packed. We're all for it. So let's dive in with Deanna. Now, okay, Deanna, what's going on? How is life? Oh, we're doing really well. All the kids are out for summer, and just like any good mom, I've got them propped up on an iPad at the moment. I'm really really succeeding at this whole parenthood thing. Kids the iPads these days, Like, man, they like that way more than TV. Huh. Yeah, my children we have two iPads three in the house, and they fight over both iPads when we have three other fifty televisions in the home that they could possibly watch, and they'll literally beat each other down for an iPad. I feel like iPads are career did four kids these days, because like, I never seen an adult on an iPad. I have one, but I haven't taken mine out for years. What about you, guys? I use my iPad a day Oho. Okay, never mind. I traveled so much for work that I take mine with me and I do all of my work on it. But that's also where I watched my TV is on my iPad. Okay, So I'm in the I'm in the minority here, that's okay. Daniel. Last time we talked to you was during Claire season. We're talking about how great she was going to be and all that, and then then you know, wow, it's been like quite a year for hersh get the break up with Dale and then the back together with Dale. Um, do you have any inside knowledge as to like how they're today. I think they're doing great. Um. I actually haven't caught up with Claire in a couple of months. We chatted just a bit when they broke up, you know, just um for a long time actually just they were just going both going through some things. So I, um, we've only just been deeming a little bit because they both look so happy social media. So I'm just glad to see that. I'm just glad to see them because I do really think they're meant to be together. So I'm just glad to see them processing and working through some things and they look like they're really happy. They do. We're celebrating that over here. It's what a bumpy roller coaster of a road, but it's probably how it had to happen, right, I Mean I would imagine just the way that all played out, the expectations, all the stuff going on, so you kind of had to take a break, and then if it was meant to be, you're gonna get back together. You're gonna be super happy like they seem to be, and then things are gonna Also we're having a conversation and all three of us have been on this show, Like, yeah, think of like the roller coaster of emotions that it puts you in and and really you choose to be with someone that you barely know, you know what I'm saying, Like it puts the cart before the horse. You fall in love with someone that you don't know, and in a natural progression of a relationship, you date someone and you get to know them, and you make sure that you're like minded and you have the same course of values before you progress into like marriage and love and all the other things. And I feel the Bachelor Bachelorette makes you do it fast awkwards. Really, you know, like you you meet someone, there's that infatuation, you fall in love because you have a few weeks to do so, and then the show stops and the cameras go down and you're stuck alone in the room a person that you you think you love, but you have no clue who they are. Your spat on that is spot on, and I mean so it makes sense on how this played out, and we're happy for him over here and we've been celebrating and falling the story. It seems like they're doing well now. Uh for you you just mentioned, uh, you know, your your mother, your wife. Uh, what is new in your world? What's going on that we can catch up with in your life? Uh? We sold our house and we bought a new house. I know, we were just chatting about this before we started recording. So we are just like knee deep and like couraging things and trying to pack. And there's a bit of a transition period where it's like we're turning into teenagers again because we can't move into our new home for another couple of months, so we're moving in with mom and dad. That's so fun. I like, I don't think that that's I think that's super fun. But that's only who parents. That's that's a big question. Steven's mom and dad, who I adore. I like love them. I mean, if God is here, like Lynn is here, I mean she's a saint pretty much. And they're just they're so great. They're so great to be around and They actually live like a mile from us currently, so we see them all the time and they're really really helpful and they're really good with boundaries, which is also great. But I think it will be a really fun time, especially summer. They just built a whole, like really beautiful pool in their backyards, and the kids and I are over there every single day anyway, swimming. But like I think for my children in particular, this will be like a summer they'll never forget, like they will have spent it at Memi and Poppy's house, you know, pounding hot dogs and ice cream and swimming in the pool every day, you know. So we're actually really excited. It just kind of sucks to be in this transition phase where we're not going to have all of our things. You know, we have so many things. I have been getting so much. It's amazing how much you accumulate over time and with two children. But yeah, I think my hardest decision of the week is trying to decide what clothes I'm taking to medium Poppies and what stay. And I don't know, it's gonna be really it's gonna be really nice for you because you're gonna have built in babysitters, I know, except they're they're pretty like, we're not going to be your guilt in baby, really, I know, which is fine, Which is fine. We have a great group of babysitters that it will be nice because on the nights that they are home and like going to bed, they don't mind if we pop out for dinner or drinks or movies or whatever else that is. So that is really nice. And we'll be saving on rent, So that's a lot. That's a big deal. Now. I did it as a kid. I still remember when we moved in with the grandparents and it is a special time, like it feels like a slumber party every night. You know, Like maybe it's just unique cause I was an only child, but being at their house for the few months that we are felt like a memory. I'll never forget. So pump for your kids, Pump for the two of you. You're moving now, how has the packing and purging gone? Is your relationship still intact? Because I know that's not I think what is it like below finances like moving or something. The top top two things the hardest things that you'll ever do in a relationship or a marriage are moving, buying, a home buying or selling a home really, And I'll tell you, like that was painful for me because I genuinely love our home where we currently live. I have loved this house. We have a massive backyard and for like l a, that's just you can't put money on that, and we've made some really wonderful memories. I actually didn't want to sell our home. It was Stephen who kept pushing me to do so. And the new home that we bought was a lot more expensive than what we currently have. So I'm Stephen is like the dreamer and I'm the person who processes all the things, and I'm like looking at numbers and I'm like, I can't do this. So I tried to go out to dinner with some friends the other night. Steven's like, I'm just gonna pack and I was like, don't touch a single thing, pack anything. And he was like, well, what am I allowed to do? And I said, you can go into your office and you can pack your office and that's it. Like I'll do everything else. So yeah, I feel you. I think there's something about decorating and packing. I just like I'm such a control freak about it. When we were packing up our apartment in l A. Jared was like throwing everything in a box, like Rando boxes from different films, and I'm like, no, that's when we move in. It's gonna be so chaotic because you're not gonna know where anything is. And I was perfectly labeling everything. And then even when we moved into the new apartment, he was like putting boxing moving in boxes into rooms that they weren't supposed to go into. I was like that, we're just gonna need to move the moving stuff kitchen exactly. I posted a picture to my stories yesterday because I started labeling all the boxes and I caught myself as I was like writing each individual item on the box, and I was like, I'm neurotic. That's what kitchen in. Like seven places on this in box and it has everything listed on it. And if it's glass, I've got careful and big bold letters, Like I'm making this more complicated. I think that it really needs to be, but all the same way. I think also, because our stuff is going to be in storage for a period of time, I wanted it to be very clear what goes where when it picks into the new house. Then mentally you feel disorganized even when you're not with the stuff, because you're like in the storage unit, it's disorganized, So therefore my life is still mess Yeah. Or I was like, what if I have to pop into the storage unit and try to find something. I want to be able to clearly find that box where I know there's going to be something that I need. Yeah, just don't lose diapets, their kids, best friend right now, I'm telling you. Then when no one's going anywhere without the iPads, well, uh, it sounds like there's a lot going on in your life. We're super pumped for you. Thank you for joining us twice this year to talk about everything bachelor and Bachelor and where have you back? Because we're doing this cool thing. Um, we're past bachelorettes are coming on to break down an episode and just also, um, kind of honor you and say, hey, at point in your life, you know what, I was really cool. You're on this show and you're still cool and you're moving and your mother, But did you watch this week's episode before we begin here breaking it down? Did you watch this week's episode? I did. I was crash coursing while I was packing. Okay, perfect, So you're ready to break it down with us, and we're going to write after this quick break, why in the world let's start out with the obvious. The first topic of conversation in this episode just not tasteful for me. I don't know, like I can have fun with like sexual humor sometimes, but like telling the guys that they can't you know, It's just it was very weird. It was very staged way do for the purpose of this part that they can't wacky do for I also like find and call I am old fashioned. I'm so fine saying that, and so am I and we all know this, so I think the three of us get each other pretty much. There is a piece of this where I'm like, let's just leave a few things to the imagination. Like I am married, I'm a rob woman, I have sex with my husband, but I don't need the entire world to know that and the details of it, and when it is happening, like there's just a piece of me that's like it's it's like the show is stretching here, like they're really pulling for bits, and I don't like that part of the show. I missed the genuine aspects of the show. And maybe it was because it was COVID and they were stuck in some resort and didn't have anything else to do, so they thought, let's put them in a wedding dress in Britain. There's a wedding. I don't know. That's another thing that will complain about in a second. But I also was just like, okay, what are they thinking, Like we haven't talked about Katie's sexuality in a few weeks, Like let's let's bring this into it, and and then like like I don't know, and then like for Caitlin to come in like tell the guys. It was just so weird. It was like a bad, bad bad like like one of those yeah that went really wrong. Yeah yeah, yeah, like really bad. Like it was almost like cringe worthy. For me, I was like no, no, no, no, no, don't don't and we have to thank you, so like there's two ways of you this because I've been concerned. You know, the show has stretched me, especially socially, like year over a year year, like there's things that happened, and I'm like, I don't know how I feel about this. Let me sit on this for a bit. And then like I learned that either be like Okay, I see where they were going, or I see where they weren't going. I don't on this one though, like understand what the viewer reaction is going to be, Like do you think people do they want people to be laughing at home? Did they want people to be like relating with these men at home? Going Oh my gosh, this has to be so hard, Like I don't know, I don't know what the hope was. But here's the other thing that happened to me, and you said it best. This is only the part that like really like kind of disturbed me. Was as soon as they start talking about it like funny for a bit maybe, like even when the guys were talking about like there was some lass I had there, but then I started like imagining these dudes like and I'm like later all like, well, I need to take a shower now. I was like, this feels like gross to me, Like I need a shower. After seeing that, it just felt like gross. Really what it was just gross? And I'm like and if it was something that like, it's like not even something you could tally and keep track of. It was literally just something for them to talk about that was gross. And then later on in the one date where the one guy was not that masturbating is gross. I mean, like I don't want people who give me for this, you know what I mean. But you're still going to give you the topic of conversation, you know what I mean. You guys, you know what I mean. Don't give me crap. But like later on in the date when the one guy like sits down with her and he's telling her how often he does it, and like when he gets come from work and like on the weekends it's more than during the week that was such a turn off for me. I was like so unattractive, like so unattractive. There's a lot going on at the beginning of this episode that like you know, and the final part is to this whole conversation is you know, what does this do for the benefit of the relationship. Now, if this is Katie's idea, and she's like, hey, it would be nice if these guys didn't and it would prove something to me. But then like the language that she was using, like I don't really want you to stop, Like it's it's like offensive to me if you do stop, you know, Like so like I don't know how this benefited the relationship because these conversations like, it's not the first time I felt like, whoa, that feels like they stretched it, uh and and maybe went too far, like that's happening. I've been proven wrong that maybe it was the right thing to stretch this one. I just don't know how it benefited any conversation or any relationship or build anything into the relationship other than like some weird weird like visuals and physical tensions. So um odd way to start one of the weirdest ways to start an episode ever, I would say, ever in the history of the show and the history of the show. Yeah, I think it's not going to go over a while. We'll see. I actually haven't seen what the ratings look like this season in particular. I don't even know why I'm thinking about this, but I am intrigued to know with this being a the first season without Harrison and be with the Tube Bachelorettes, because in COVID and all the many moving parts, I really would like to know what the viewership looks like, like our people enjoy the show, I know, I know. So anyway, I just was like, what what are people feeling like? Are they are they vibing. Are they feeling this I also really struggle with I believe from my point of view, I think it is an an older UM fan loyalty, you know, and I don't know if that those viewers are really getting attached to the vibe of the show. Well, there's there's a couple of things that have been really great. We talked about to speak on this on an episode about this season. Um, we've been educated and had open conversations about sexual assault. Uh. That's been incredible and and something that like will praise Katie for over and over again that they've opened the door that they've promoted great organizations in the process. Also, Uh, it's a fairly I think what's been said, the most diverse cast ever on The Bachelor, huge win. Right, They've they've listened, the show's responded. I feel like that's a massive benefit to the show. Also, I think underlying by behind all this, which is probably something that that I've needed as a view to watch, is the education on like sexual freedom, like being able to talk about sex and being able to explore your sexuality and as a woman, like being able to be open about your intrigues and interest. But this one doesn't fall in any of those categories like this. This felt like a step back, and I think of like, uh, you know, I did The Bachelorlive on Stage tour last year, and a lot of fans that would show up to this tour were older, uh, and they always tell me we've watched the show for twenty years. You know, they were in their thirties or forties, and now they're in their sixties seventies watching the show. And I thought, all through their eyes, like all this stuff has pushed them this season and even last season and made them think and made them uh almost like process internally. But this one, I just feel. I feel like if my grandma was watching this, which she does, she's gonna be like really thrown off, like like there's no even education piece to this, and maybe there is. And if I'm missing it, please write us, criticize me, tear me apart. If there's something yeah missing here, please write me, write us about it, because right now I'm not seeing it and I need a little help seeing. Yeah. The only piece I could kind of think was that she was and if if it came from Katie, the only thing that I could kind of see is the abstinence part, you know, because if Stephen and I did this before we got married, we completely have and from sex before we got married for a full year. Um, that's the only piece that I kind of got when I was trying to not feel weird and gross about it. That was the only thing I thought, maybe she was looking for abstinence so that when it came to the point if she was going to choose to be with someone or share that moment with someone, that it would be truly like built up. Yeah, I'm trying to like I think I'm trying to be a little graceful here, but I think it was lost. So the pieces I don't get why they did it. Wouldn't that being communicated then, like if that was the point, which it makes sense, like I wouldn't have that been communicated instead of just this, like let's like make like let's play a game that's kind of Maybe maybe it was has been. Maybe they just edited that to try and find the humor in it. But it wasn't funny, that's the thing. Like it just felt gross. Really, I didn't find the humor in it. I didn't think it was funny. Um, And I also don't like the way it made Katie look. Yeah, well let's move on then, because we've already decided this was a weird like start to the show. So it continues to get weird and annoying. Yeah, continue with Justin's date every single season. I'm here complaining about the wedding dress date. This one took it even a little bit further than just a photo shoot in a wedding dress. They did vows, she walked down the aisle. That was like, you can kiss the bride. It was the weirdest thing ever. Talk about taking a sacred moment and just ruining it. You have to you have to save that moment for when you're actually getting married. So you know, I had the same reaction, Ashley, I felt the same thing. Like a lot of times, if they're doing it on other seasons, like they're making a bit of a joke out of it. Yeah, and if it's like a group date and like they're like laughing and they're like rolling around in mud and a wedding dress. Different. This was like a full blown ceremony. Yeah, this didn't feel funny. It didn't feel like a joke. Like I feel like the two of them took it very seriously, and yeah, I think I'm right there with you, Like it's a very cherishable moment. I don't know that I would have wanted to like mimic that, especially with someone that I didn't even know, you know what I'm saying, Like they probably haven't spent any time together, and not even one of your front runners because at Leastasia and Zach. I was like, Okay, so they're imagining themselves like doing this for real, Like I I vibe it with Justin really like the guy, but like he has not been somebody at the top of our list for Katie, right right. So I think that was the other piece where I just felt like it was lost a little bit too. And to get personal and related to my store a bit. You know, I came off this show in a relationship and engaged and like we took that very serious. It didn't work out, um, and you know, both of us are very happy on our own past now. But the one thing, you know that was always kind of sad to me was you know, the oh, I've been engaged before, Like not that that's a bad thing. A lot do people have, like my dad has been you know, that's not like uncommon, but it still is like okay, like that was an ideal, like not the way I envisioned this going down. So the one like honest at times, like kind of like moment I would step into is yeah, but I like, but the one thing I'm not I've never been married. Um And again, even if you are, that's okay, But for me and my story, it's like and I've never seen anybody walking down the aisle towards me, um, and like that's gonna be very special to me, no matter how you know. And for this moment, it felt like that ripped that part away, like you can't say that, and it just felt can't. It felt too serious, It felt oddly not fun for either of them, probably a little awkward for both of them. Like, well, again, I think the show is like reaching here, like the same thing. It's like they're running out of ideas or running out of ways to entertain the viewers or do dates or do other things, and it truly, to me felt like they were reaching. Yeah, I wonder this. I feel like this date might have even more of a negative reaction than even the start of the episode, because I don't think many people are gonna watch this and be like that was awesome. Like people have to go through go through divorce, they go through multiple marriages. I understand that, and that's part of life. But they've also done it with the intention of making it work. You know, this almost looked like they were making they're making they're making fun of it, of the importance of what marriage maybe was. And again maybe maybe Katie feels completely differently about it, and the guy too, what was his name, Justin? Justin? Yeah, maybe, but again it seemed to be like afterwards that they shared a really sweet moment together and and so that aside. I liked Katie's vulnerability, the way that she spoke about, you know, her father, come to find out, was not her real dad, and I enjoyed that piece of it and the vulnerability and the connection that they had from that, Like I would have much rather seeing more of that than a fake wedding with the two of them, Like I remember what I was gonna say. Basically, I would have just completely rejected this. I would have told I was like, I can't do this. I'm not going to ruin this moment for me, like by playing pretend um. And then secondly, there were other ways for them to get the conversation going about her dad than like having to do a full blown ceremony. Yeah, it is. It almost just didn't feel like it fit, you know, like do this fake wedding be together and now we need you to be vulnerable with each other. It almost just like it just didn't fit, like the two did not go together. So, just as a viewer, even if I could put aside the fact that I've ever been on the show, I would have much rather seen that just a normal date with the two of them talking and sharing about their life. I would have much rather seen that than this fake wedding and fake vowels. I just didn't need that. Yeah, now here's a crazy part as an efficient, because I am I am a license efficient. You are? You are really pulling out some new stops here. I am trying my hardest, um, but they're not far being married like outside of a outside I mean, they did the vows, they made the commitment, like they kissed the bride and she kissed him like outside of a document, which is only common in the modern era. Like and that's kind of weird, right, Like my the pastor of my church at home would say, like what is like, what do you need to be getting married? Like your commitments already there? Like you like I hold a responsibility to Jessica right now because of our engagement in our commitment, Like I hold that very uh like strongly and personally. So this, I think we can all agree here. Maybe we're agatting, we're wrong. I've been wrong so many times breaking down this show, but at least at least we can agree here. I would have said no to that date and that day felt weird to watch, and in fact, I didn't watch it. I fast forwarded through it, so I didn't even know. It just felt weird. And come on, like, what's his name? Franco? Is that his name? Yeah? Is that Franco? Like, let's use frank Go in a better way. Like that guy's talented, he's fun to watch. Can we get him to do something other than this? Because that guy special? Yeah? Yeah, it would have been a hard pass for me too. I think of several things when I did the show where I I had to put my foot down and I was like, oh, it's just stupid. I'm not doing that, Like I'm not going to do that. It just doesn't make sense. And I think this would have been the same thing for me, Like it's a hard pass. It's a hard pass totally. And then we move on to a drag queen date where the guys are supposed to throw shade learn how to like roast each other on a stage, and of course, like there's a new guy to kind of get at every single week, and this week it's Hunter, and like, you know, I know, Hunter comes across a little bit like a little more abrasive than the other guys maybe, but like he's done nothing wrong. Yeah, you know what. I also it was another piece of the show where I think it was supposed to be funny, but it wasn't funny, like when you think of roast, and especially when they've done it on previous seasons, like at least sometimes it was pretty funny. Yeah, I just I don't think it was funny at all. Yeah, it wasn't. And it because they started out nice, like you can tell these guys are not like wanting to stuff too far, and I think they got pushed be mean or be mean or be meaner, which I you know, I think they could have all chosen at that moment to not get meaner, but some chose to which for me as a bachelor at one point and maybe for you too when during your time, I would have watched that from Katie's do and go, Okay, who chose to enter in here and who chose to not get meaner? Because for me, it would have been attractive if somebody did get meaner in that moment, even if they're pushed. I want people to go against the pressure of the others and say, no, I'm gonna choose to stay who I want to be here. But some chose to get meaner, and it got it got a little heated. It got heated enough where there were some questions asked afterwards. Uh it felt I don't know. It's weird because like these two drag queens were hilarious and they were obviously very talented. They're really good at hosting it. We could have it could have been really funny, Like I think it could have been almost like the joke portion that they of the date that they did a few months ago, instead of just got it just teamed up on Hunter. Here's my question for you, and all of this over and over to you and Ashley. We've seen this season where there's not a lot of bowling necessarily, but there's a lot of teaming up against one person. Every week the group has decided who they're going to eliminate, and every week that person has been eliminated. Do we enjoy that? Is that a good trend here in the show? Are we feeling like the like the mentality of let's like all getting up on this one person is unhealthy or can cause issues? Like how are you to processing that? Do you know? We've been joking and it's like Survivor, Like the guys get together and vote one off every single week. And the first couple of weeks I was okay with it because it really seemed like they were eliminating the bad apples. But then when they started getting on Thomas, that's when I started getting over it because I was like, this guy is just being honest and you guys are just nitpicking everything Like this week, honestly, what did Hunter do besides saying, um, like these are the top four in the house. Like I watched the show. I can tell like like now super fans, they're getting in trouble just because they've watched this show. Yeah, I don't know. I think I'm kind of like, um, I'm with you been where I was sitting there, And if I had been the Bachelor, I would have looked for the opportunity of someone to dodge the drama. Like I don't like drama at all. I don't want to be involved and stuff like that. Even when I was on The Bachelor, I did not do things like that. I just didn't want any part of it. Like I in my own personal life, I'm just that kind of person. I don't like drama. So if I had been Katie and sitting there, I would have looked for the moment for for the guys to rise above and not because also, like, doesn't that say something about yourself if you're that person who's quick to like tell or like spread rumors or create unnecessary drama. Are also just flat out be mean? Like what makes you think that you're the person that someone wants to be with? You know, that's even outside of this show, like even looked in your personal life, Like nobody wants to hang out with people like that. So I I thought the same thing too as you. Actually I was like, what did the hunter do? Like, I mean, I get where he was talking to the to the one dragged me and I can't remember her name, but he said no, I'm not in love yet, So like that was shady, That was a little sketchy, you can't be honest. Or maybe he was just nervous. Maybe he was uncomfortable and maybe he's never spoken to a drag queen before. He didn't know how to act. Like what we can't process what was going through his head at that moment. Maybe he just truly felt uncomfortable. But I think that standing on stage in front of all those guys and then saying he was falling in love, that was probably not a smart choice on his behalf. But I was about the same thing, like what did he do wrong? Yeah, there's one thing to see, like not a smart choice versus like doing something really wrong. And I don't think that him saying no, I'm not in love and then him saying I am falling in love, because we do know that there's a discrepancy between in love and falling in love on the Bachelor, right, do you know you're on a show and they have a camera in your face. It's probably gonna make TV. Uh. I did respect that Hunter chose to take the high road like that. He did not he whatever whether he falls in love with her or whatever, it doesn't matter. I respected the fact that he chose to take the high road and not bashing me at the guys or not stand up there and say, oh, they're all liars. He just said, you know what, I'm not, I'm not going to do this, and that I totally respect. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was just weird. Let's go on to I guess that's it for the group date kind of ended there. Well, then the nighttime portion with there were so much drama and the I forget dude's name that like rat it on Hunter and then she gets all like sick and start sparking. But like, what a situation, man, what a situation? You guys? That was what she threw up over. I can't believe. In the teaser it was like this, she throws up over Hunter. Drama is gonna be like Greg, But she didn't have enough to eat and she just had too much red wine and that was the real issue. Okay, yeah, well, I mean she's shown it all season. She carries like her emotions very close to her chest, like she is she like really doesn't like this part of it. She's never I don't know if there's a good way to handle her or if you can save and she handles it well. But all season she's shown that, like she doesn't have this great ability to press through like the drama and the people hating on each other, which I really respect about her, Like she doesn't want that, she doesn't desire that, and so you know, every week, I mean, just the worst statement though anybody can ever make is I think she said something along the lines of this night is going so well, I don't think anything can ruin it. And then next scene she's getting told, then she's puking a toilet. It's like, I just think she wants to see things progress in a healthy way, and when unhealthy stuff comes in, I just feel like she just gets over And this makes me sick, Like it just makes me tired, and I respected about her. I think, yeah, you don't want to see any any bachelor bachelor like kind of dive into the drama with him. M Yeah for sure. Yeah. Uh. And you know why this episode sucked, guys, because we had no michael A, no appearances from Michael A. We saw his face, he spoke nothing, m hm. So sad, and I mean, let's just icing on the cake we get her to kind of be this episode, I get it. There was no physical connection there. They were good friends, like but still good guy. I mean there was more tears shed over his departure then I believe there's going to be at the end of this season. Like I've actually really enjoyed it though, because it just it just truly shows how hard the entire process is. And and I feel a little bit like just cliche saying that, but it is true. You know, it is an emotional roller coaster, good and bad. But I remember going through a similar situation with a guy on my show, and it was pretty early on kind of the same thing. Super nice guy, he was handsome, I really liked him as a friend, but I had to go through this whole date with him and then he obviously was into me and he was trying to kiss me, and I was like like, and I'm just not it is hard for me to I'm not a good liar. I mean, really, that's what it is. I'm not a good liar. And I don't like misleading people or the you know, misleading their trust or anything like that. And it like murdered me, Like I cried more on that date when I sent that one guy home, um, and he came to my wedding like we stayed friends from you. I understand exactly what you're saying, but it just made me sick to my stomach to think, like, oh, this is what it's gonna be like that I have to like break people's harder and leading them on or like he has no clue, and it just like it just murdered me. It just really directed me. And I saw that with with Katie too, like he's a good dude. Why don't you like him, he's handsome, put your finger on it, right, But it's just not there, and it probably I imagined like for her, and you know what, you're tired, you're hungry, you know, there's all all the other things going on. At the same when she showed up in her sweatshirt to his room, I was like, this girl just wants a night off. She's probably so excited to not have to go on a date and to get room service tonight. What's funny is that they I said it before, I'm going to say it again. They had more physical chemistry when he was dressed up like a cat. Oh my god, I forgot about that. I was like, why is he dressed as a cat with him Katie's future husband cat costumes? Big wins. So then Blake shows up. He does a little what's the movie with John Cusack when he holds up with the speaker say anything, Yeah, I just like there's something so Blake I after that conversation about his like schedule when he gets home, I just I just I can't So I don't know. I really think that he might win, though, yeah I think you might. Yeah, no, you stop it, you stop it. If he wins, I'm like, I do you guys feel the same, Like, I don't know what it is. I mean again, it was just going off of the start of the episode, like the the intro to this conversation. It could have been really sweet. She was in a tough place. Now I'm interested in the end of to hear your side of this because as great as these dudes are, and and it might just be me personally. Um. When I was filming my season, I had what I remember three nights off were like a date didn't go well. I was tired. I said, I'm done, Like I just want to go home and get an hotel and the shows you can do that, like go ahead, so in the dates and I'll go back just to like regroup. And then twice during those times, at some point the night, somebody knocks on my door and shows up wanting to console me. Now, sweet, please don't y yeah and watch football on television with nobody talking to me. And I was so close until your good hearted nature came in and you said I need to check on thin. Now I see this even with my relationship with Jessica. Now, like there's no human that brings me more joy, and then I feel more comfortable around than Jessica. There has been many of occasions where I've been like, hey, I'm gonna go for a walk, or hey I'm gonna go downstairs. I just need some time, like I just need that. And if she would have come down, sit beside me and be like are you okay? Can we talk? Yeah, and it's like no, like and she gets that that's healthy. Um, she respects that time. I respect a time with her. So I just felt like, Okay, this is a sweet gesture. I'm assuming like probably not what Katie was looking for that evening. And then it goes into this conversation that kind of goes back to the beginning of the episode, and it really started to throw me off, Like right away, I'm like, this is no longer like sweet. It's kind of just more like it felt like they were like sexting, which again, fine, I just don't want to hear about it, Like I don't want to read Ashley and Jared sexting. I love Ashley, I love Jared. I don't want to read how they sex to each other. I'm right there with you, man, there's gotta be some things that are left to the imagination, and I don't want any part of it. Yeah, I think you're right on several things. So I'm obviously being the Bachelor bachelorette, that stuff happens all the time, you know what I'm saying, where people just pop in. And I always started to give a little grace because I realized our producer probably put him up to it, right, and then selfishly they would probably really like to have some time alone with the bachelor or the bachelorette, like you doesn't want that, So there's two fold, right. But I remember thinking at one point, well, I got in trouble one night actually because it was after a road ceremony and my producer went to sleep, you know, longer works one show, but he was like, I'm going to bed. Was like cool, and I was like, yeah, I go to bed, go to bed, and I found my headphones. They had taken him from me, but I found my headphones in my my music and I actually just snooked down to the guy's house and just hung out. We all just like sat around the bonfire. No one even had like deep conversations. We were just listening to music and doing like a normal thing. And I ended up getting in so much trouble by the executive producers for that, Like they were like, what if something had happened to you? And I was like, well, what was going to happen? What kind of guys did you put it on? Can't be alone? An? What if you fell in love? Then? Well what do you mean? What if something happened? But I got so much trouble and I remember leaving there and it was sobbing, which like was enough, and I just remember thinking like I don't like any of y'all and I want to be alone, Like you're you're punishing me like a child, and I'm not a child. I'm twenty six years old and I've lived on my own for fourteen years, like I do need you to punish me like a child. And I remember feeling betrayed. And then they tried to send when I arrived home after being on a date with another guy, they tried to send a guy up to the house to hang out with me and console me. And I was like no, no, no. I locked the doors and barricaded me in, and I was like, I'm not doing this, not tonight. I'm sorry, I'm not. I'm not. And it never is like for me, it was never like the guy that I truly liked anyway, you know, like I'm not good at multiple dating. I never happen. So it never happened to be the guy that I really wanted it to be, because that guy probably was like, I'm not going to do that. Like I'm not that sounds stupid. I'm not going to do that. Isn't Blake really known? Isn't he the one that walked in the Harrison's room one night? No, that's another guy. That's a different guy. Um is Blake known to like show up to rooms? Or is this the first time he's done this? I feel like I've known him to do this before. Oh I don't know, I don't remember. I'm crazy here anyways now, but you guys don't agree with me and like thinking that he might be the actual front runner now, No, I hope not. I shouldn't say I hope he know. Why is it, Diana? Because it's between the conversation. And then there was this hot headline that we had last week where he was like, Katie doesn't mind it if I say, and I'm like, okay, there's really just like something not romantic, and I'm like not being wooed by you. I think that's why I'm saying no, I stu dn't do that because I'm not Katie. Maybe she totally likes him, I don't know. But he reminds me of like that bro like in college who was just like a bro Like he was the one who was willing to go out every Friday Saturday night and get as wasted as possible and be the biggest asshole you know that he could possibly be like that for me, that's what I get from him. And I was never attracted to dudes like that to begin with, so I'm surely not now after being married for ten years, Like I'm just so turned off by that at all, Like, period, I don't think he wins, ash I really don't. I mean, and if then this is my like viewer opinion, if he won, I believe this romantic gesture that he just did would have came off a little more romantic. So so the show is like, hey, we can root for this guy. Like, I just felt like it was fine. It worked for them. They obviously had a good time. Katie you know, invited him in, but I just don't feel like it got maybe the then you say that, like she could have been like, no, you cannot come in. Ideah, I don't know anymore. This this whole thing was Wow, this whole episode made me feel confused. Uh, Ashley, let's transfer them into the road ceremony, which we see coming up next. Utail party gets canceled. Good decision, because I do really think that, like the conversations weren't going to make a difference here. She does pull Hunter aside. She said that she needs to like get closure on what was going on, but like, don't really get closure right, Like I don't. I felt nothing that conversation. I don't know that they established anything. Um, But then she goes ahead and eliminates him. She also eliminates Aaron, Trey, and James, And isn't that interesting that Trey gets eliminated because Ben we had that conversation last week about how the group date Rose isn't that big of a deal. Yeah it is. It's it's super interesting. You know. Katie's new kind of like claimed the thing this season. And I'm a huge Katie fan. Is this Hey, let's pause the road ceremony and pull somebody outside move that's been done multiple times this season. It's it's an interesting move. I don't hate it, uh, but what it does? I just think about these poor dudes standing there, like you know that camera's shift, you know that it's probably a good hour long break where these dudes are just standing there waiting for an hour to this thing to get done. Like that's the part I feel bad for. But for her at least, maybe she's feeling like, hey, if I have these conversations um outside of the public, then I can break up with him easier or give them a little more like push out the door. But yeah, it Katie's moved. So Ashley who was eliminated this week who stayed Trey, Aaron Hunter, and James all not surprising except for the fact that Brendan stayed Who is this Brendan. We've never seen them talk. We've seen them talk once. Okay, we felt nothing and he stayed over. I think it's Hunter him staying over Hunter and Tray and even maybe James feels weird. Yeah. I also felt like for producers alone, like they could have stretched out drama for episodes that they just kept Hunter like, and I feel like they do that every season. They like keep somebody along, like can milk the drama piece of it. So I actually be surprised that that he got the first season, we don't have somebody drag on. So the remainder The remainders are Blake, Andrew, Greg, Michael A, Mike p In, Brendan Wow, so like we only have we only have six We only have six guys, three, four, five. It comes fast and then and then Justin Justin So there's seven guys. Wow, it goes fast. Yeah, it flies by. I mean we're we're getting closer and closer to hometowns were two episodes away. I will say this, I think we're done with the with anybody getting isolated and pushed out. The door. I think these guys are a good group of guys. I think it's a great top seven. I think she has a solid group to choose from. And I believe here's my assumption this that in itself will make this the hardest for her is that she has so many good guys and I think she's having feelings for multiple men at this point, that that will be the hardest thing as she moves forward. Is trying to near it down. Yeah, are really just trying to um to work on those individual relationships, because I do think you're right. I think she has some pretty strong actions with multiple guys, and I think really once you get down to hometown dates, things start to look for real, you know, like you have real emotions invested and all of that. But I hope, and what I would love to see is that she's able to define her individual relationships without letting them bleed into one another. It's it's gonna be an interesting end of the season, Okay, Diana. We we ended every time in this way. We're gonna do it with you on here. And just because when we have seven left, who is your top two for Katie? As we move in to the next couple of weeks. I can't I can't pick I don't have a talk two and for the life of me, I can't remember their names. Yea enough and that should just tell you, like the season itself is, but I'm not there yet. I can't pick um talk to Okay, Ashley, you're always good at this. Who is your top two? Now that kind of b is gone? Hunter is gone? What's going on? Greg and Blake? Yeah? Jeez? I still think Andrew's up there for me and Greg I think are the two top choices for me, mostly because I'm cheating and going off of that teaser at the end where she jumps into Andrew's arms and in yells, and I mean, there's like something special in that moment. I don't know really that's a departure moment. But I'm forgetting, you know, like I'm forgetting michael A. There. I think Michael A might even be up there above Blake. Still, like Blake isn't even in my top three because I think Michael A took a week off because he's about to come back in a huge way next week. Uh, but we'll see a lot of questions. A weird episode, I would say it wasn't my favorite episode. I can't say that it wasn't a great episode because we still, you know, accomplished what we needed to. We got to Rose ceremony. Uh. But I'm hoping the rest of the season we no longer have to hear about wacky Dus. That just doesn't seem good to me. Yeah, I don't want to talk about that anymore. To see any more about it, I hope that they don't talk about it anymore. I don't want to have that just awkward. Well, Dianna, thank you for coming on. Thank you for breaking down the episode. It's been awesome to spend some time with you. Good luck on your move and everything going on in the future. You're the best and we appreciate you. Thank you very much, so much fun having you. Good bye, Guys, we have Wow, my voice just crack. Did you hear that blow? And I don't get nervous with Nick. I've met him a zillion times. We've got Nick Harter on the line. Guys. UM, we're good you are here because you guys have a very exciting announcement. You have a new Vegas residency at Planet Hollywood. UM, and you guys are doing it throughout November and December twelve shows. And I'm so excited because, like I thought the Vegas days were over, but now we get to go do it again. I know, we're we're really excited. Um. This was an idea that we were floating around for um some time, and and it just kind of came together. And we're really excited because I live in Vegas. Um, I I could literally drive right down this you know, fifteen minutes of taking care of my kids and then go, uh you know, give them breakfast and then later on the day go and do some work. So um, it's it's really really cool with me in great stage again. We were on that stage for two years. It was like had about a shows, um that we had done. It was one of the best fastest selling residencies in history in Vegas. And yeah, it's just great to be back home and also with a really cool um twist, a little holiday vibe that we're gonna be doing a nice um Uh. It's gonna still have some some elements of the hits incorporated into it as well, but we're gonna be doing some some classic Christmas songs uh too. Now, Nick, we've spent many times at the Planet Hollywood. I heart every time we go out for I Heeart Fest. We're there, I've been there a few times. Why Planet Hollywood? What makes it a good partner and a good fit? Um? Well, first of all, I like to say that's probably the best, one of the best stages in Las Vegas. Um, it's just the room. They designed it in a way that you know, the acoustics are really great, the seating is incredible, the the experiences is incredible as well. You have a lot of just places where you could be really close to the artist. You know, you're right up on the front of the stage and you know have these awesome tables that are set up, you know for bottom service. If you know, the ladies went ladies and gents want to come out and have a little party with the back plays. It's so much fun sitting in that pit area. You know, they're right outside the fit. You knows Ashley Bossas and tickets every night you guys come out to like you're able to form the stage so that you can like come closer to the crowd. And Um. One time, Nick, I think it was you who invited me and Jared up on the stage and we like climbed up that way and seriously one of the best moments in your life. So freaking cool and unexpected. And what's what's funny too, is that I've had a couple of people tell me, because I live on Vegas, that I had one guy tell me. He goes, he goes, I gotta tell you a really funny story, and he said, Um, I saw you at like this, uh, this Butcher's shop getting some state one time, and I was really embarrassed because I didn't want to like like look at you because when you had performed he did the residency. Um, I felt like I was the only guy in the audience that you were like looking straight out the entire time, and I think you were going to remember and recognize who I was, and so he was like hiding from me. And so my point is that like like you're literally like right in our faces and like you can touch everybody, but it's like that little uncomfortable feeling like if you're sitting on the performer, but if you're sitting in the audience, you're like, oh my god, I get like living at just me so personal. No, you guys are great at eye contact. As a boy bander. You know how important eye contact is with your audience, because like that moment that you share like three seconds with a girl is going to last the rest of her life. It's so funny. Yeah, no, we it's I mean, look, yeah, we've been doing it. I've been doing it since I was eleven years old. It's going on twenty eight years and the Backstreet Boys and so, um, yeah, I guess you can say we're seasoned now. Nick, I've always been trigued by this. I've been to a few shows in Las Vegas. They've always been incredible. But you've traveled the world with the Backstreet Boys. You've traveled the world performing. When when somebody wants to come to a Las Vegas show, are they getting the same energy as they would Uh maybe in a bigger, more open arena, Like do you feel like they're getting an experience that's worth coming to? Um? I think it's in some ways it's different and better. Um because there's only what like five thousand seats in that that theater and um, you know, you're again, like I said, you're really really close. But the stage is really big. It's a very big stage, and you can fill it with so many amazing you know, set pieces and a band or whatever you decide to do. Um, but it's you're getting you're definitely getting a piece of what a live performances. That was something that on our last residency a lot of the lot of the artists did, like the still celine John's, the sets and all these you know things, that was very um cirque kind of driven. We we made it a point to to bring almost like a pop rock show, you know, into into the theater, which would give you a more of you know, a live arena show kind of experience. And yeah, so that's what that stage is really good for. Awesome. So what made you and your wife Lauren moved to Vegas? First of all, we love the heat, Um same and he decided to move to Vegas. No, no, honestly, it's I we came to Las Vegas for the residency. We didn't expect to stay there necessarily. UM my son, you know, he was just turning like a year old, and we had we came from Calabasas, we were in hidden Hills for a while, and um just decided to take a chance stay there for the residency by a house and kind of just you know, see what it's all what it's about. And a lot of people who moved to Vegas they say the same thing. They're like, oh, I was only gonna be here for like, you know, a couple of years, and then they're there for thirty years. And the reason for that is that it's just a really incredible community. A lot of people think about the Strip as being like, oh, well, that's what it's all about. But there's a big city outside, you know of Las Vegas, and and a really loyal community um that just they love each other and they take care of each other. There's great food there, you know, Like if I want, I can kind of just you know, jump in the car and go get Nobu or whatever you know at you know, in one of the casinos, um. And if I want to, which I don't do a lot, you can go a gamble if you want. But but no, for the most part, it's a it's a really really great city. And I like, you know, you think of Hollywood as being like the obviously one of the entertainment capitals of the world when it comes to the movies, Well, let me listen. Other than maybe like Broadway or like a little bit of New York. It's like the It's or maybe even Nashville with the you know, the music vibe. I think it's on one of the live music entertainment capitals of the world. So I feel at home there for sure. You guys, welcome your third child in April, Pearl. Always being a dad to three, oh my god. So it's it's a it's a lot of work, that's for sure. Um And and it's not really know having you know, three children. My son, you know, he's turning five or he turned five, and daughter turning to seriously spring two, and the Pearl is a little bit over two months old, you know, the personalities, the differences between all of them. The for I think what's the hardest part is delegating time, you know, to to them because they want your attention, you know, they want you know, every every one of them, you know. So there's a lot of that kind of like you know, passing around and just kind of just you know, finding finding the time to cater to their their um their emotions and their needs. And that takes a lot of working, a lot of energy. So and now I have to because for the past year we've all been in quarantine and you know, I've been nothing but just dad, you know, didn't do anything else other than that changing diapers, and and just now I got to integrate the this entertainer side of me back into it again. And that, to me, there's a little bit of a tug of war going on, you know, an internal battle, because you know, now I have to kind of dedicate a little bit of kind to myself when I really don't want to. I want to just dedicate to my kids. The A little personal question, my final question for you, because we've talked over the last couple of weeks here on this podcast a ton about transitions in life and about different seasons of life. You know, Nick, you are, um, one of the best known performers in the world. Again, You've traveled the world. You've had people crying at eye contact with you, uh and your dad and you're a good dad now. And how like as you've transitioned into this role you just talked about it a bit, But how has that been for you to kind of in a sense rip away the label of you know, single backstreet boy on a stage and then move into this well, um, you know as a father. Um, you know, you you don't realize until you actually, you know, have your first child. You know how it how basically it's not about you anymore. You know, as an entertainer, you know, as a performer, you know, there's a little bit of that like obviously you're you're a show person and you're you know, you gotta kind of like do the things to to to live that type of lifestyle. But you know, when you're a father or a mother, um, you know, you realize it's not about you and it's about them. And that's pretty much how I live my life now is is everything everything I do is for them. You know. The money that makes is for the schools. Um. You know, the I drive a pickup truck. Now that you know, I don't care about material things, um, you know as as much um and just you know, food, that the simple things. And and when now that I realize that when I do go out and I do work, and I do perform and I do those things, there's a real purpose behind it, you know that that drives me to to be the best that I can be. And thanks a lot for Sharon. Did you guys were on a world tour when COVID happened and you had to go home and you're home for a whole year, did you kind of enjoy the fact that, like you had no excuses to be anywhere else. Um, Yes, there was a part of that as well. I mean the bad side of it is that I put on fifteen pounds that I gotta residency. I'm gonna be a fact street boy if I don't do that later. Um. And yeah, I mean, look at we all went through it together, and you know it's Um, with being home, I was able to see I would have been I would have been on tour. Um. I think in like Australia or New Zealand for the birth of you know, my daughter, parl Um, that would have been something that I would have seen potentially, or it might have been a little bit more strenuous. So UM, right, you're right. You never know, you're right, you never know, that's true. Um. You know a lot of the there's a silver lining to things, and we are we're all trying to find find what that is. Um. You know. And but I think now that we're all coming out of COVID in the pandemic, I think everyone is just you know, circling back to you know what we started the conversation about with this residency. You know, we're entertainers, um, and we're performers, and we miss it. You know. That's and I think a lot of our fans and people who love life shows miss it as well. I mean that's why you see us here, I mean sold out. You know, you see the shows in Vegas right now are going crazy. You know, even though we haven't opened up all the way across you know, the borders of in the States and everything, and you know, touring is still a stand still. I think that's the beauty about Vegas right now, is that if you miss it that much and you and um, you could come to Vegas and you know, to answer your question, Yeah, it's just it's it's nice to be back to to be able to help everybody out there kind of take their minds off a little bit of you know, all the stuff that this society has gone through for the past year and a half. I mean, it's a lot. And so it's our job with entertainers to to put a small on people's faces and embarrass you when you're sitting in the audience. Actually, like if there are times throughout COVID, you know where I'm like I'm enjoying staying home, Like I have no desire to go to a bar or have to go to any event or anything like that. But but my sister and my husband and I were like, but we could really go for a Backstreet concert and you get him a Black concert, Hanson concert. I did three things that I would like to be at right now. Yeah, I mean like there's you know, there's a like I said, there's a catch twenty two there, you know, like, yeah, I did get a little used to being in the house and just you know, rolling around the carpet with the kids and um and and it's like, oh god, now I gotta like get going and getting you. So it's it's it's definitely one of those things to where I think we're trying to transition for sure. Well, people can get tickets starting this Friday, July at ten am on ticket Master for the Vegas Residency at Putt at Hollywood in November and December. There's twelve shows. But then you are also doing something with some Sinkers, some boys to members this August. And speaking of that, you be hanging I would Lance a lot lately. I love Lance. It's the best you guys, you guys like you were doing more. I'm sure. I'm sure you probably do. I mean, you guys are much closer. It's really great because we had done something for Pride out here in Los Angeles at the Grove, and um also for the Trevor project, and I've come to really you know, get to know him a lot better, and um, we've become really great friends and you know. Uh so and then obviously Joey have no Joey and all and all the guys from that group, and and so it kind of really opened up a lot of ideas and minds, um for potential, um you know, maybe down the road, maybe an instinct Backstreet Boys tour. I mean, come on, don't blow my mind like that. But but the first things first, So, like so Joey called me up and he said he's he had this idea of this, um, this thing he had been doing called Joey and Friends or something like that, and uh where he basically would do like almost like a rat pack type thing. Um. And he said, hey, would you want to do it and be involved? He said one he was gonna one year he's gonna be involved in a huge Voice of Men fan and obviously a j and so we we committed to it and we we put it on sale and it's doing really well and we're excited to have It's called the After Party, and um, it's gonna be a lot of fun. We're just gonna have a good old time at this little theater Acnation. That's so fun. Oh my god. Okay, well, boy band heaven right there. So you guys make sure to hit up Ticketmaster and get tickets to all of it. You can get tickets for after that. The other one is, yeah, there's still something but the most uh, we're we're excited for both things. But i'd say now now is the time. If you want to get the best seats for the back Street Boys Christmas show, then now is the time to get you gotta get that one. Nick, thanks so much for joining us. It's always so cool to talk to you. Um, and I'll see you definitely in Vegas alright, but later bye. Well, what an amazing episode with some incredible guests, uh Diana and Nick Carter. But before we let you go, we gotta get into one of our favorite segments of the podcast. It's time for Bachelor Headlines and we're starting with this one. Uh, this is pretty much in relation to this week and this week's episode Bachelor at Katie Thurston defend suitor Hunter Montgomery as he reveals Tourette syndrome. Yeah. So, following Monday's episode, Katie defended Hunter after some viewers were criticizing him for clearing his throat and his sinuses multiple times on camera. I do not remember seeing this, but some people were picking that up, and she actually said that he has Tourette syndrome, and she goes, remember you only get to see a portion of who these men are. For example, you probably didn't know that Hunter has Tourette's. So I encourage everyone to think twice before commenting negative things about these men. And then Hunter said, just to be clear, the snorting and the sniffling is due to minor Turette's, which is something I've had my whole life. Thanks next headline as well as Adams addresses rumors who replace Chris Harrison as the host of the Bachelor franchise. Well, he says those are really hard, really large shoes to fill, and that he hasn't been in talks about anything like that, but he does love being the bartender and he says, the host role is one that is a bit separated from the cast, so you're really looking at it objectively. With the bartender role, I'm really entrenched with everyone, Um, I'm kind of a part of the landscapes to my relationship with them is a strong one. Whereas the host role you have to step a little bit back and be a little bit more objective. We'll see. Obviously people are wondering, people are interested in this upcoming Bachelor in Paradise season that we do know wells is going to fill some big role or big shoes in and uh grocery store. Joe and Natasha Parker are teasing right now that it's an intense Bachelor in Paradise season Ashley, what do we know well? On their clickbait episode where they reunited after coming back from Paradise, Basically, Natasha says she went to Joe for so much advice throughout the season, but every time he was like, no, this is totally different than my other season. This is insane. It really is, um and they just kept talking talking about how like it was intense and it was like so different from Joe's other experiences. They use the word wild lots of unexpected things going on, so it's all very vague, But basically, I think it's a teaser for us to say that it's like a kind of a season with storylines that aren't repetitive, ones that we've never really seen before. We can get excited about this upcoming Bachelor in Paradise season. I know we have been for a while. Well, some big news and Bachelor Nation. We've gotta celebrate. Bachelor's Bob Guineas welcomes second baby son, Blake Barrett, with wife Jessica. The quote is they're so thankful. Yes, um, Blake Barrett guinea was born on July one. It's their second son. They also have two year old Grayson. Um. So congratulations to the Guineas. That's so sweet, he goes, he said. The hashtags the hashtags under the picture are we are the Guineas, um, here we go, hashtag my two sons, and hashtag I'm fifty, which is pretty crazy that Bob Guineas is fifty. He still looks good, it feels good, seems good. Well, another thing to celebrate. Nick Vile celebrates one year anniversary with girlfriend Natalie Joy. So sweet, yes, so, he says, one year ish because they did. They have known each other for over a year. And he says, we're visiting the hotel where it all started. It was the Williamsburg Hotel, and he said, thankful for every moment I have with you. Natalie. We love Natalie. She's great for him. She's so perfect. She makes Nick so happy and amazing. He's his best self with her. And then she said, this has been the best year of my life and it's because of you. Well, uh, some news that we're following and we'll hopefully be updating you more on as we go. Less Murphy says, daughter Nora is still fighting after crazy thirty six hours in hospital. This according to people Okay so Um, she said that she was sick. They brought her to the emergency room where she was diagnosed with group UM. It's an upper airway infection that blocks breathing and comes with a bad cough. They brought their baby to the pediatrician four o'clock on Saturday. She was having the same symptoms as her last ear infection, but both ears were clear and the test came back that was negative. Um that she didn't have strap or anything like that. So then around nine pm, five hours later, she developed a really loud, loud, barking cough and by midnight her breathing seemed slightly shallow. Um. They figured that the congestion was building up, and so at two am she woke up gasping for air, and by the time they were at check in, her breathing wasn't as labored, so she calmed down a little bit. So they started treating her steroids on Sunday and then it looks like later that day, one night in the er, another one in the hospital, and then they were home. So it was about thirty six hours and she was able to come home. But like obviously, she says, the worst feeling was watching my baby struggle to breathe. Well, we'll be following that and wishing uh and having Leslie and everybody in our thoughts and our prayers. That is tough. Well, the final headline of this week is Claire Crawley is removing breast implants for health reasons. My body is fighting them. She says, yeah, um, I mean basically everything that you just the headline says it all. She says that she has had um really bad hives and a rash. She's her whole body has been itchy and in flame. She said she's done one blood test after the other, um had two mammograms and an ultrasound, and they just helped her make the decision to get the US implants removed. She goes, as much as I love my plants, my body is fighting them and recognizes that there's something obviously foreign in my body. My body can't heal. My body is a fight mode constantly. It's exhausting, it's frustrating, and it's all making sense. My health is the most important thing, and they're coming out. So she's not alone in this, you know. She says that she wanted to talk about it because she wanted to reach other women who possibly might be feeling the same thing. And she certainly isn't alone in it. So I'm glad she's saying something. Yeah, it's nice to bring this to the conversation because I know a lot of people do deal with as I hear these stories all the time. Um So, but thinking about clear still as she goes through this procedure, and hope she feels better afterwards. Well, another great episode of the almost famous podcast Action Packed with Diana Pappus Stagliano and Nick Carter and then Ashley I Connettie is here as well. What an episode. We'll be back next week talking about Katie Thurston's next episode of her season of the Bachelorette. But until then, I've been Been, I've been Ashley. Bye, guys. Followed the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on I Heart Radio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.