This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast with her radio. It is a very special episode of the almost Famous podcast. I'm here and my co host the Beautiful, the Wonderful Ashley. How you doing, the Beautiful, the Wonderful Ben Higgins? I am doing quite well today. How are you doing? Actually? Can I tell your story? This is just gonna start out as a ramble because I use the word quite. I'm here to listen, Okay, my sister is staying with me. I am the kind of person who literally cannot stand getting rid of things in the fridge. I hate wasting food. I hate spending money on food when we have food in the fridge, But mostly I hate wasting food, like you know that little thing that your grandma would say, you know, there are people starving in another country right now. You eat your food always comes back to me. M hmm. And the other day she was looking for like kind of a a ten pm snack. You know, she'd already had dinner, but it was early and she was hungry again. And she was like, Ashley, came here, tell me what was actually edible in your fridge, Like what is not outdated? And before I tell you what, I considered not outdated. What do you ben consider to be outdated food? Like at what day do you stop eating leftovers? Oh, it's I mean, that's that's a tough question. It's dependent on what food we're talking about. Like if we're talking about, um, if we're talking about a cheese, I'll typically look for a mold. If we're talking about a milk, I don't mess with milk like expired milk. If we're talking about meat, I don't mess with expired me um, I'm I'll push like best by date by a few days. Um, but you can. But like those things you don't mess with. Fruit goes bad so fast that you're either gonna eat it or you're not. Vegetables the same thing. Um, So you gotta give me a category because most things, like I grew up am I like I came from a really like like cushy life like my you know, northern Indiana middle class um like because but we always bought like we went to the grocery store in town that had the like Dale bread and like it just like it was the thing I grew up with. Is like, hey, no matter where you're at in life, you're gonna not like over indulge on stuff that's just just as good, and so I've always kind of pushed it. I guess I've never gotten sick. I don't I don't want to do I don't want to walk to that alley. Yeah. Like if the jelly says that it expired in April, I'm still eating it through May. Sure. Yeah there's preserve I mean there's preservatives in that, yeah, of course. Okay. So what I'm talking about is like restaurant leftovers or like you make dinner leftovers, and and if it's meat, they probably tell you that on the internet to do it like two to three days. I'm probably okay with It's like if there's like chicken tenders, I'll probably throw the chicken tenders in the air fry or four days later and I'll make it crispy again. A right, Yeah, I'm pushing a week on left Okay, I'm playing. Okay, I'm glad that you said that, because I'm pushing a week too. I probably six days. I had some Chinese food that I got Monday and I ate it Friday, and I wasn't feeling like that was bad. Um, so that when I tell you that, I told her that the spaghetti in the fridge was quite fresh, which I'll say it probably wasn't quite fresh, but it was totally edible and fine. How many days do you think it was in there? Three? Okay, it was. It was made on it was, it was made on Monday, and it was Saturday. Yeah, six, five, five to six days, five to six days. I mean, it's not gonna taste great. There's nothing spaghetti. There's nothing to be poisonous. Is nothing in a spaghetti it's cooked me. Uh, it wasn't even meat. It just red sauce, just playing on tomato sauce. Oh geez that. Yeah, you're you're you're You're not even cooking with gasoline there. You're just good like you're just you're just solid. Keep She demoralized me. She thought it was so obscene for me to offer her my sister six days spaghetti. I'm not offering a guest to come over and eat my six day spaghetti, but my sister. Come on, no, I mean no, I I would it a matter of season of life too. Like I remember in college, my buddies would have like pizza laying out for two full days and I would grab a slice it would be like hard, and the cheese would kind of be like a plastic cover depending on what obviously company you got your pizza from. And like, that's not even in the refrigerator. I mean that that thing is just full of anything. And I would found a couple of pieces of It's a no problem. Okay, thank you so much. You know what's really funny and kind of ironic about this, Jared comes home from work two hours later. I come downstairs and like, what are you doing? He's like just having some spaghetti. And then I was like, I will join you in that. And then he and I both ate the five distincts day old spaghetti. How do you feel? We feel great? And then I threw it out afterwards the remainder and Ben, look what I got in here? I got a little generous coffee. The generous coffee in here. Well, I'm very thankful you're drinking generous coffee. Even if you had an upset stomach, even if your body wasn't functioning at a hundred percent after your six day old spaghetti, I promise you generous coffee would kick you right back into gear. It's it's like medicinal. I can't make that claim probably publicly, it's public illegal, but it's good coffee. Actually, it was a long weekend for so many people. We do, uh, I mean I I do, and I know you do. Want to sit here and just say, you know, I know based on even my high school college. Um, then we can go into the elderly people who have passed, uh serving our country. Um, serving our country, so that we could sit here and talk like we do and say the things we do and even have the option to go to a grocery store and buy food. UM. So I hope this Memorial Day was a day for so many of us. I know it's a chaotic time in the world, and I know that right now, um, the wars and the rumors of wars and our opinions on war are have you know, definitely divided the country or there's a lot of different things. But no matter what, we can I think sit here and say hey, thank you to those who are serving our country and whatever capacity, and and and definitely a Memorial Day is a day to recognize those who have passed serving our country and so UM with that, I just want to say thank you to to the families who have lost loved ones who probably listened of this because there's many um, and I hope yesterday was a day of celebration and remembrance for the lives. Thank you so much, thank you, thank you, thank you. Um Ben, do you have anybody in your family who served in a big war? Oh yeah, I mean you gotta think that you would be from like a sort of military family. Yeah, well you gotta think. We're talking like my grandpa just passed away, who was nineties six, and so World War two, um was something that like was not an option for most people, and so he served in World War two. Um. One of my best friends in high school is still serving in the military. Um. I have Jessica's best friend's husband is in the Navy still to this day, in a very high ranking position. UM. But my family, yes, of course, Like you know, you had the Vietnam War in between World War two, um, and then you just had all the I actually didn't have anybody close to me my family, I think day based on age and probably choice. Uh, you know, serve in Afghanistan. I don't know if anybody, um who is currently in the military within my family. But yeah, of course my grandpa is the best example. It was a lot of his stories came from those times, good and bad. Yes, my grandpa he fought indeed day like he was there on the beaches of Norman Day. And this is so crazy to think, like would I you know you just like, would you be here? Yeah, no, you would not be I can promise you that if if things would have gone different. Um, so yeah, yes, a Memorial Day is always uh a day for me because I do I put myself in those shoes, and I think so many people do too. If you just take a second, like it's a it's a fun day because we get the day off of work and you get to cook out. And usually people travel and gather and camp and hike and go by the pool and this is the first day of the you know, the lakes really open up and all that stuff. But I oftentimes asked myself, Um, you know, I'm thirty three now, so I'd be an old old person if I if I went to into the military. You know, my grandpa's like eighteen. Um that's fifteen years ago for me, and and it just makes me think about those people who lost lives. I'll tell you a quick story. Um that always I'm always reminded of Amoral Day. There's an incredible bar in New York City called mcsorley's. Mcsorley's has this story. I think you kind of call it um a tale because I don't know if it can be proven, but I think there is documentation of this um. But mcsorley's has been around. It's one of the oldest bars in the US. UM incredibly old. I would try to say the date, but I would have to look it up. Anyways, before the kids in New York City went off to war for World War One, they had these um lights above the bar that we're connected by a pole. McSorley said, hey, how about you come in uh and get a turkey dinner that on the night with your families the night before you go to war. And then everybody would take off take out the wishbone. UM. Oh thank you. Our producer just told us Mick Sorylis was um starting eighteen fifty four Super Bowl. And so you'd finish your dinner, you take the wishbone from the turkey and you put up on um the light. You'd hang it right, you'd put it out there so that the v attached to the pole that the light was on. Then when you came home from war, you could take a wishbone off. The thing that always struck me. Uh. And and one of the reasons why when you go to Mike Sorylers now is there's still many wishbones on the light that never got taken off by people not coming back from war. Um, which was you know, it's something I don't know, it's weird. It's like I went to this bar to have a good drink. Uh. And that's that's always stuck with me. A Memorial days, these kids coming in with their families having dinner, putting it up there, some returning taken off and some not being able to take it off. So anyways, that is Um, yesterday was a good day from members, a good day for cookouts. I hope everybody listening had a great day with family or friends or just by yourself if you just took the day um to be by yourself. Um. Also, actually, as we do this little host chat, it's a little more serious of a host chat for me, um, if I could get personal, it's been a really odd week. Uh last week. Of course, last week it was a horrible week. It was a horrible week, but I I am frustrated right now. Actually, So I spent last week IM. I was invited to an event UM in Colorado Springs. I was invited to an event hosted by Focus on the Family. If you know Focus on the Family. They've been around forever. UM. They're known to be UM anti a lot of things, a lot of things I personally, as a Christian uh am not anti against. And I think people at this point either really um it really either angers them or they say, yeah, I get it. Um, I'm on that journey of trying to figure out how to love people better too, and I don't, you know, I don't know always where the line is and what I should be holding people too. And I've just kind of given up holding people to any type of anything other than an idea of loving others, loving themselves, and hopefully loving God. So I was invited to this event, I think just to they wanted to kind of share their thoughts and where they're going and where they're at and what they're doing with a group of people that maybe don't fully agree with everything they're about. And I think that's really healthy. I think it's a really good practice in life actually is to surround yourself with people that maybe aren't always a part of your tribe or your network. Yeah, and I left being fairly encouraged. I won't go into the details of the stuff they're up to, but I really enjoyed hearing from their CEO and sitting in a room of ten people with him and hearing where his heart's at and where he wants to go and how he sees the world and the things that he wants to focus on. A lot of that is UM, outside of anything like helping make the adoption product process more efficient and effective for those wanting to adopt. Great thing. I think most people, no matter where you're at, I would agree with that process. The other one is increasing UM the punishment for those who uh UM control and operate uh sex trafficking rings. I think, really great, really good. Now there's other stuff maybe I wouldn't get behind that they're up to. UM. Again, I don't have to get the details, but those two things I left being like, okay, I can, we can, we can get on the same page and those things. So I left there. I'm driving home and I get a text Sunday afternoon, UM and and many people who listen to the almost famous podcast message me. And this is why I'm saying it. UM from a home church or a church within my home of Orsandiana where a pastor um gets up and he admits that he's committed adultery to the congregation and um. He kind of frames it in this way that says, hey, I've um, I've sinned against my family. This happened when you got home. Yeah, this happened Sunday in Warsaw, and I got text that afternoon, I got I was at the event in till Sunday morning in Colorado Springs or Sunday evening, I guess, um, so having twenty four hours later, and he says I've committed adultery. And he's framing it as I'm admitting this into the congregation um, which I think always comes from a place of hey, I'm a big enough human to admit that I've messed that kind of thing, you know, and everybody collapse. A young lady walks up on stage and says, uh, well, he just kind of walks out of the congregation and walks up on her own on stage and says, yeah, what he didn't tell you? As I was sixteen years old, when he did this, and um, the church's reaction, I can't. I don't want to judge the church's reaction. It was a very odd reaction. If you've seen the video many people have. It wasn't my reaction just then, No, it wasn't. It was national news. Um, the reaction was confused. I think it would be. And I talked to some people that were part of the congregation that day and they said, how long was he a pastor? There? For thirty five years? Um, so he he's he's in his mid sixties at this point. But I think the congregation was confused at what was happening. And I have to give him that grace and be like, hey, I know what, Like when we watched the video and we know the truth to what was happening, we can go, oh my gosh, how did the congregation not react in shock and like disappointment and whatever things you want to do? They didn't because I think they were confused at what was being said in what was happening and if it was um, yeah, and so it was a really hard thing for me to see because here's the truth. And I'll get off my soapbox in a second. I'm really saddened this week. And then we have the SBC report, the Southern Baptist Convention report, which many people know about. By the way, that is not my home church. That is not a church that I attended. I know of it because it's in a small town of wors On, Indiana, UM, but it is not a lot of people were wondering, is this your church? No, not at all the church that you're talking about with the adultery. Yeah, it is not my church. So just to be clear, I do know the people that work there, I do know of the families, but it's not my church. Um that I don't know if that makes a difference. W people are asking. I guess they were curious. But the SPC report comes out the Southern Baptist Convention UM, and they over their time of power have and they have a lot of power, a lot of political power, a lot of religious power. UM. They've covered up uh seven cases of sexual abuse and sexual assault within their congregations that would never spoke about and that came out in the investigation that was just released last week. And then obviously we have, um, the school shooting in Texas, and I you know, it's weird to jump on this podcast and a bit we're gonna go through headlines. Um. I think the question I've been asking myself this week is like, um, why what? Uh? Where? What are we doing? I think is a lot of um the confusion what are we doing? Where have we um? And in both situations, the church and the shooting, where have we neglected and pushed aside the preciousness of life? This is not me? I hope maybe it does. Maybe it is coming off as like a preachy thing. I just it's like questions I want to ask, is like, where have we gone wrong? Because we're going somewhere really wrong? And UM, I guess as a Christian myself, I want to know my role in that. And then also just as a as a human, I want to know my role in this. And so a lot of this week has been trying to figure out when the hell is happening? And again we this is the third time I'll make this statement, but we jump on this podcast and we talked about headlines, We talked about love, and we're gonna talk about relationships that are existing within this franchise. And you know, the franchise used to be a space where it was kind of marketed as an escape from the chaos that is this world. I feel like at this point in time, though, the chaos that is this world is is so prevalent and so necessary and so needed that we we don't Maybe we can't. We can't afford the escape. Uh, like none of us can. And maybe that's my point is is like we we have to all be a part of something bringing us together again, because this is gother again. We we got to get together. And it seems like every time something like this happens, people are even pulled further apart. Yeah, and then I don't know what we have to do to get bother and to get together. I wish I had answers. Have we had answers right now? Then? I guess the point is if you're listening. I think the first step here is if you're listening, I just know that, like, because you have breath, you have value and you have purpose, and that you belong and you're needed and you're necessary, and that there's people that need you and want you to be a place of healing and comfort and listening and love and joy, and just know that to be true. Then everything else that comes from this you can ask your questions on what you think is right and wrong. Those things are up for you to grapple within yourself, but just ask. Just if you hear anything in this podcast today, just leave knowing that if you have breath, you have value, um, and that we need you here. And if you feel super alone right now and all of it, UM, reach out to somebody, get some support and some help, because we just can't afford to keep this process going. If it comes treating men and women like their objects, when their kids, or if it is um going into a school and murdering innocent victims that if you look at their faces and you see their families and their stories, UM, if you just sit in that and you just know that, like what do you do? What do you say? And so yeah, I guess if you hear anything in this podcast, just know today, UM, when we do a host chat, I'm coming from a place of just trying to make sure that I personally, that you know personally Ashley, and that the people listening know that they just they got a lot of value and uh, and we need you to be your healthiest and best selves, um, because we just can't afford to keep going on this path. Well, we're gonna switch big gears here. Uh, We're going to take a break. We do a Bachelor headlines to breakdown. A lot of them are really I was reading through them. A lot of them are really encouraging this week. Some really exciting things happening with some of our friends, some people that we love and care about. I also know that Paradise is getting started up. I think Um being filmed. We're gonna talk a little bit about that. So let's take a break, come back with the almost famous podcast. We're gonna break down Bachelor headlines. It is time for Bachelor headlines. Our first one is a big one for for me, and I know Ashley, Uh, you care about these people as well. Uh. It feels less personal to me than it did with you. Because I had a very short period of time with Becca kou Friend hosting Bachelorive on stage. She was dating Garrett at the time, so I got to see that relationship and also UM was around her as that ended right and she decided and I talked to her and she decided to go on Paradise. I remember that conversation. I remember when where was at When I got the phone call. She was like, should I do it or not. Um, you know, with you, I was sitting in the midst of like roller coaster of love and breakups for years and we're still doing it today. But for me, I'm just so happy for Becca because she is somebody that desires love once love. UH is trying to do the best she can with the platform she's been given. And here's the headline. Becca Kouffrin and Thomas Jacobs now are engaged. She had the ultimate plot twist, though he said yes this according to People magazine. Okay, well, I mean, if you're a Bachelor fan, you're listening to this podcast, you know that the two of them are engaged and that she was the one that proposed. But Ben, I need to know whether, like you are obviously closer to Becca than I am. So have you talked to her directly? So you didn't know that she was going to be the one proposing. I mean, I guess you wouldn't go around telling everybody this, But no, Um, I did text with her yesterday. I didn't know she was going to propose. I didn't know they were even getting engaged. I wasn't going to be shocked just seeing how they were together and then also, I think one of the big deals for me, I had already planned on proposing to Jessica during Batchel like after Bachelor I'm on stage, But that period of life is so hard because you're on the road and you're traveling and you're it's hectic. And when you have a partner that like supports you and leans in with you and relates with you, it brings you closer together. And I think Thomas just did a great job when Becca was on tour of being a great partner to her, and so I had I had a feeling this was going to happen sooner and later. I definitely had a feeling too. I mean, she's been talking about how she's going to marry him for a while now. She said it in the headline she said on her podcast she had she basically told me at your wedding, she just kind of telling everybody at your wedding that it was just a matter of time before it was going to be them one day. And that was so cool, And it's so cool that she was, you know, engaged twice through this franchise and then decided to go on The Bachelor in Paradise and a lot of people were like, you know, don't quote quote downgrade yourself. You were the lead, don't go on Bachelor in Paradise now, Well look when they got her. That is incredible. Um. Also, I think people started speculating that they were engaged when they went to Hawaii, I think like a week ago, and it just seemed like there's a vibe about their instagrams in Hawaii that seemed like they had been engaged, that that maybe they were getting engaged, that they had gotten engaged in Hawaii, and then they were like going to hide it for a few days. Um, but don't really have details right on where it happened. He said, it's a secret that they've been keeping between them close family and friends for quote a while, and now we're excited to shout it from the rooftops. I finally found my chauffeur for life and the one who makes my heart smile every single day. I can't wait to do it all with you, Tommy. Thanks for making me the happiest Galt alive. I love you to the moon and back. And yeah, so he has an engagement ring, even has a little dime into is an engagement ring. And she is also wearing a ring. Yeah, I kind of like here too. And I'm sure we are part of this group. I'm sure we were at some point in time or I don't know how much we we bought into the whole thing, but you know, he his story on the Bachelorette. You did buy into it. Men, we didn't. We know. We were like every week we're like really like keeping get some like some heavy proof as to why this guy's the villain. This doesn't make any sense. We're like, these guys just seem to be hating him for are like hearsay, okay, well that that that makes me feel better. I'm glad that's how we took it, because he just has really proved the haters wrong, like he's I mean, and not that he did got engaged Tobecca to prove him wrong. I doubt that's the I think that's the furthest thing from his mind right now. But if anybody was like questioning his intentions going on the show or questioning who he was as a person, he's now engaged one of the most beloved people from the franchise. Uh. He has been a tremendous partner to Becca. I know that personally they're very very happy together. Uh. And I mean, yes, it's been public because it is a public relationship because they have a falling, But they haven't done things that makes you go, wow, they're just in this for the fame of it. No. In fact, I would say they did the opposite, Like they broke up and then they got back together and they've kind of dated quietly. They've held this engagement off from telling the public for a while. I feel like that this is like one of the coolest stories that have came out of Paradise or the Bachelor franchise in a long time time, and it's one to definitely celebrate, really really cool story. And it's mind boggling to think that they got together a year ago. They've been dating for a year. It feels like yesterday. It does well, Uh, speaking of couples being together or not. The Bachelorte alum Michelle Young This is Wild refute claims that her and Nate have split after she was spotted without her ring. This according Las Weekly, So she was getting drinks or lunch or something with friends and she was spotted, like Ben said, without her ring um, and somebody put the video on the internet. I'm not sure whether or not they put it on the internet just saying like, look I saw Michelle out to lunch, or whether they were like, look I saw Michelle to lunch and she wasn't wearing her ring. But whatever happened she the video hit the internet and people saw that she wasn't wearing her ring, and it caused all these rumors that she and Nate had broken up. And then she took to Instagram and she was like, listen, you guys, I'm not a zoo animal. It's literally literally what she said, like, our relationship is not like a zoo exhibit. The reason that you see me in that video, which I can't believe, I'm like getting on here to explain, is that I took off my ring at that table, had my friend put it on her finger to just see what it looked like on her finger, because like, you know, she's a girl, and like girls love to like put engagement rings on her finger because like you like to pretend like we're engaged if we're not, and we'd like to see you know, different style rings and all that. She's like, So if you were like caring enough to take that video and point out the fact that I wasn't wearing my ring that you should be like caring enough to like make a point that I gave my ring across the table to my friend and then put it right back on. Yeah, so wild and so weird. Just that's small. I mean, it feels like such a small thing for her to have to explain. Well, hey, here's a big news. Tasia Adams will host the MTV Movie and TV Awards. This according to screen Ry, so this is a little bit of a misconstrued headline. She will be hosting part of the TV and Movie Awards. She's going to be doing the the reality portion. I believe. Yes, she will be hosting the MTV Movie and TV Awards unscripted, so it'll be the component of it that covers reality TV. But still like freaking amazing. Wow, Like, way to go, Tasia, that is so awesome. This is Paris Hilton. This week on the This is Paris podcast, NICKI and I will be joined by Anna Delby. You may think you know her from inventing Anna on Netflix. Get to know the real Anna? Is She a con artist and a fraudster or risk taking entrepreneur and audacious wanted that lover her or hate her, We're all curious. The real heiresses sit down with the fake heiress right now on This is Paris. Listen to This is Paris Now wherever you listen to podcasts. Well Ashley uh Here's headline about a friend beat the Bachelor lumb beck At Tilly talks about not identifying as a lesbian, and she dishes more on her romance with Hailey ki Yoko after finally confirming year long, years long relationship. This according to Daily Mail, So if you want to hear everything in anything that Becca is willing to share about her relationship with Haley, definitely head over to our like I want to cast a sister podcast, um Our, I heart our fellow, I heart podcast Scrubbing In with Beca, Tilly and Tanya ride So. On the podcast last week, she said, so, I was prepared for anything and everything, you know. Um. When she revealed her relationship with her, she goes, but I was not prepared for the amount of love and support that we got. Haley has really made me feel brave, and she was always like, people love you and they want to see you happy. Um. She also said, I've always said I'll go public. We can go public, if I can be in one of your videos, if I can be like the video girl. Um. She also said that, um, it was kind of she when the time came, she was just like, Okay, I think I'm ready. I think it's time. And that was, you know, four years after she had been in the relationship, and you know, like we said last week. I think we said this last week. Um. She never wants to be called secret, you know, she just wanted to be called like, the relationship is very private, and she said, like, we've always been very much ourselves. We've held hands in public, wee kiss if I meet someone. I always introduced Haley as my girlfriend. I've never been like, this is my friend or this is my best friend. I really made an effort to make sure that there was this distinction between private and secret. And she also said that, you know, this is as far as what you said the headline was saying. With her not identifying as a lesbian, she was leading up to this point, I was like, oh my gosh, I'm going to have to address like my sexuality, my label, and I was never concerned with that. She says, I think that my story is different from other people. She talks about her sister. She's my sisters when they've talked to me, Um, they've always said, I'm not I've never been attracted to men because Becca's sisters are lesbians. And she said they've always been very confident in who they were and that label meant something to them. So basically Becca is just not putting a label on her sexuality. Well it's uh, you know, I remember even talking to Colton and he's like, you know that once he came out publicly, there's a process to try to figure it all out, you know, figure out where you fit, what has to change, what doesn't change. And I think what you know Colton was telling us what we're hearing from Becca here is like nothing about you changes or has to change unless you wanted to. Um, I'm glad because I love Becca. I'm glad she's a good human. Care about her and uh it's good to see her. Um so happy and uh at peace. Well, Ashley, that's all the headlines we have for you today. We do have a final little note here. Uh it's not a headline as much as it just um this Kelly flanagain Peter thing continues to come up, um, over and over again. It's like once a year one of them says something about each other, good or bad. Well right now, Kelly Flann again says Peter Weber's romance was just fun in Games. I didn't look at him as my spouse that this according to US Weekly. I read this headline and I need you to break down this story for me, and I was like, well, okay, that's fine. They dated, they had fun, there was a quarantine relationship, I guess, but it's interesting to see it go to this boys like it was just funny games. I thought for a while it was very serious. We had him on the podcast. I thought it was a big thing for them. Yeah, I don't know. Okay, so she says in the podcast, she goes, um, I don't think there was one specific thing that led to the fall down. The downfall for me and Peter's a lot of little things. Um. Peter and I had a lot of fun. But I don't know if I looked up to him in the way that I wanted to look up to my spouse, she said. Um. She continued to compare Pete to the men and her family. She said, I have this with my brothers and my dad, where if I'm in a moment where I need some sound advice and look for and to look and look for who to go to on important decisions, like she goes to her dad and her brother's for important decisions. But Peter it was just fun in games, she said. I could have fun with him, but I wanted more of a man that I look up to. I just didn't look up to Peter in the way that I always hoped that I would look up to my husband who couch h Yeah, well that's all we have for you today. Thank you, uh for listening to me get something off my chest. It's been a weird week, and this is a good place, UM where I get to come and talk with you, Ashley and everybody listening, and your feedback and your insights from the listeners are always very UM welcomed and important. UH. We hope you here, UM, have a great week, enjoy the shortened work week if you have one, UH, and that we'll be back next week to talk to you once again. Until then, I've been been. It's always a pleasure, Ben, I've been Ashley. Thanks. Follow the Ben and Ashley I almost Famous podcast on I our radio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts,

This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast with her radio. It is a very special episode of the almost Famous podcast. I'm here and my co host the Beautiful, the Wonderful Ashley. How you doing, the Beautiful, the Wonderful Ben Higgins? I am doing quite well today. How are you doing? Actually? Can I tell your story? This is just gonna start out as a ramble because I use the word quite. I'm here to listen, Okay, my sister is staying with me. I am the kind of person who literally cannot stand getting rid of things in the fridge. I hate wasting food. I hate spending money on food when we have food in the fridge, But mostly I hate wasting food, like you know that little thing that your grandma would say, you know, there are people starving in another country right now. You eat your food always comes back to me. M hmm. And the other day she was looking for like kind of a a ten pm snack. You know, she'd already had dinner, but it was early and she was hungry again. And she was like, Ashley, came here, tell me what was actually edible in your fridge, Like what is not outdated? And before I tell you what, I considered not outdated. What do you ben consider to be outdated food? Like at what day do you stop eating leftovers? Oh, it's I mean, that's that's a tough question. It's dependent on what food we're talking about. Like if we're talking about, um, if we're talking about a cheese, I'll typically look for a mold. If we're talking about a milk, I don't mess with milk like expired milk. If we're talking about meat, I don't mess with expired me um, I'm I'll push like best by date by a few days. Um, but you can. But like those things you don't mess with. Fruit goes bad so fast that you're either gonna eat it or you're not. Vegetables the same thing. Um, So you gotta give me a category because most things, like I grew up am I like I came from a really like like cushy life like my you know, northern Indiana middle class um like because but we always bought like we went to the grocery store in town that had the like Dale bread and like it just like it was the thing I grew up with. Is like, hey, no matter where you're at in life, you're gonna not like over indulge on stuff that's just just as good, and so I've always kind of pushed it. I guess I've never gotten sick. I don't I don't want to do I don't want to walk to that alley. Yeah. Like if the jelly says that it expired in April, I'm still eating it through May. Sure. Yeah there's preserve I mean there's preservatives in that, yeah, of course. Okay. So what I'm talking about is like restaurant leftovers or like you make dinner leftovers, and and if it's meat, they probably tell you that on the internet to do it like two to three days. I'm probably okay with It's like if there's like chicken tenders, I'll probably throw the chicken tenders in the air fry or four days later and I'll make it crispy again. A right, Yeah, I'm pushing a week on left Okay, I'm playing. Okay, I'm glad that you said that, because I'm pushing a week too. I probably six days. I had some Chinese food that I got Monday and I ate it Friday, and I wasn't feeling like that was bad. Um, so that when I tell you that, I told her that the spaghetti in the fridge was quite fresh, which I'll say it probably wasn't quite fresh, but it was totally edible and fine. How many days do you think it was in there? Three? Okay, it was. It was made on it was, it was made on Monday, and it was Saturday. Yeah, six, five, five to six days, five to six days. I mean, it's not gonna taste great. There's nothing spaghetti. There's nothing to be poisonous. Is nothing in a spaghetti it's cooked me. Uh, it wasn't even meat. It just red sauce, just playing on tomato sauce. Oh geez that. Yeah, you're you're you're You're not even cooking with gasoline there. You're just good like you're just you're just solid. Keep She demoralized me. She thought it was so obscene for me to offer her my sister six days spaghetti. I'm not offering a guest to come over and eat my six day spaghetti, but my sister. Come on, no, I mean no, I I would it a matter of season of life too. Like I remember in college, my buddies would have like pizza laying out for two full days and I would grab a slice it would be like hard, and the cheese would kind of be like a plastic cover depending on what obviously company you got your pizza from. And like, that's not even in the refrigerator. I mean that that thing is just full of anything. And I would found a couple of pieces of It's a no problem. Okay, thank you so much. You know what's really funny and kind of ironic about this, Jared comes home from work two hours later. I come downstairs and like, what are you doing? He's like just having some spaghetti. And then I was like, I will join you in that. And then he and I both ate the five distincts day old spaghetti. How do you feel? We feel great? And then I threw it out afterwards the remainder and Ben, look what I got in here? I got a little generous coffee. The generous coffee in here. Well, I'm very thankful you're drinking generous coffee. Even if you had an upset stomach, even if your body wasn't functioning at a hundred percent after your six day old spaghetti, I promise you generous coffee would kick you right back into gear. It's it's like medicinal. I can't make that claim probably publicly, it's public illegal, but it's good coffee. Actually, it was a long weekend for so many people. We do, uh, I mean I I do, and I know you do. Want to sit here and just say, you know, I know based on even my high school college. Um, then we can go into the elderly people who have passed, uh serving our country. Um, serving our country, so that we could sit here and talk like we do and say the things we do and even have the option to go to a grocery store and buy food. UM. So I hope this Memorial Day was a day for so many of us. I know it's a chaotic time in the world, and I know that right now, um, the wars and the rumors of wars and our opinions on war are have you know, definitely divided the country or there's a lot of different things. But no matter what, we can I think sit here and say hey, thank you to those who are serving our country and whatever capacity, and and and definitely a Memorial Day is a day to recognize those who have passed serving our country and so UM with that, I just want to say thank you to to the families who have lost loved ones who probably listened of this because there's many um, and I hope yesterday was a day of celebration and remembrance for the lives. Thank you so much, thank you, thank you, thank you. Um Ben, do you have anybody in your family who served in a big war? Oh yeah, I mean you gotta think that you would be from like a sort of military family. Yeah, well you gotta think. We're talking like my grandpa just passed away, who was nineties six, and so World War two, um was something that like was not an option for most people, and so he served in World War two. Um. One of my best friends in high school is still serving in the military. Um. I have Jessica's best friend's husband is in the Navy still to this day, in a very high ranking position. UM. But my family, yes, of course, Like you know, you had the Vietnam War in between World War two, um, and then you just had all the I actually didn't have anybody close to me my family, I think day based on age and probably choice. Uh, you know, serve in Afghanistan. I don't know if anybody, um who is currently in the military within my family. But yeah, of course my grandpa is the best example. It was a lot of his stories came from those times, good and bad. Yes, my grandpa he fought indeed day like he was there on the beaches of Norman Day. And this is so crazy to think, like would I you know you just like, would you be here? Yeah, no, you would not be I can promise you that if if things would have gone different. Um, so yeah, yes, a Memorial Day is always uh a day for me because I do I put myself in those shoes, and I think so many people do too. If you just take a second, like it's a it's a fun day because we get the day off of work and you get to cook out. And usually people travel and gather and camp and hike and go by the pool and this is the first day of the you know, the lakes really open up and all that stuff. But I oftentimes asked myself, Um, you know, I'm thirty three now, so I'd be an old old person if I if I went to into the military. You know, my grandpa's like eighteen. Um that's fifteen years ago for me, and and it just makes me think about those people who lost lives. I'll tell you a quick story. Um that always I'm always reminded of Amoral Day. There's an incredible bar in New York City called mcsorley's. Mcsorley's has this story. I think you kind of call it um a tale because I don't know if it can be proven, but I think there is documentation of this um. But mcsorley's has been around. It's one of the oldest bars in the US. UM incredibly old. I would try to say the date, but I would have to look it up. Anyways, before the kids in New York City went off to war for World War One, they had these um lights above the bar that we're connected by a pole. McSorley said, hey, how about you come in uh and get a turkey dinner that on the night with your families the night before you go to war. And then everybody would take off take out the wishbone. UM. Oh thank you. Our producer just told us Mick Sorylis was um starting eighteen fifty four Super Bowl. And so you'd finish your dinner, you take the wishbone from the turkey and you put up on um the light. You'd hang it right, you'd put it out there so that the v attached to the pole that the light was on. Then when you came home from war, you could take a wishbone off. The thing that always struck me. Uh. And and one of the reasons why when you go to Mike Sorylers now is there's still many wishbones on the light that never got taken off by people not coming back from war. Um, which was you know, it's something I don't know, it's weird. It's like I went to this bar to have a good drink. Uh. And that's that's always stuck with me. A Memorial days, these kids coming in with their families having dinner, putting it up there, some returning taken off and some not being able to take it off. So anyways, that is Um, yesterday was a good day from members, a good day for cookouts. I hope everybody listening had a great day with family or friends or just by yourself if you just took the day um to be by yourself. Um. Also, actually, as we do this little host chat, it's a little more serious of a host chat for me, um, if I could get personal, it's been a really odd week. Uh last week. Of course, last week it was a horrible week. It was a horrible week, but I I am frustrated right now. Actually, So I spent last week IM. I was invited to an event UM in Colorado Springs. I was invited to an event hosted by Focus on the Family. If you know Focus on the Family. They've been around forever. UM. They're known to be UM anti a lot of things, a lot of things I personally, as a Christian uh am not anti against. And I think people at this point either really um it really either angers them or they say, yeah, I get it. Um, I'm on that journey of trying to figure out how to love people better too, and I don't, you know, I don't know always where the line is and what I should be holding people too. And I've just kind of given up holding people to any type of anything other than an idea of loving others, loving themselves, and hopefully loving God. So I was invited to this event, I think just to they wanted to kind of share their thoughts and where they're going and where they're at and what they're doing with a group of people that maybe don't fully agree with everything they're about. And I think that's really healthy. I think it's a really good practice in life actually is to surround yourself with people that maybe aren't always a part of your tribe or your network. Yeah, and I left being fairly encouraged. I won't go into the details of the stuff they're up to, but I really enjoyed hearing from their CEO and sitting in a room of ten people with him and hearing where his heart's at and where he wants to go and how he sees the world and the things that he wants to focus on. A lot of that is UM, outside of anything like helping make the adoption product process more efficient and effective for those wanting to adopt. Great thing. I think most people, no matter where you're at, I would agree with that process. The other one is increasing UM the punishment for those who uh UM control and operate uh sex trafficking rings. I think, really great, really good. Now there's other stuff maybe I wouldn't get behind that they're up to. UM. Again, I don't have to get the details, but those two things I left being like, okay, I can, we can, we can get on the same page and those things. So I left there. I'm driving home and I get a text Sunday afternoon, UM and and many people who listen to the almost famous podcast message me. And this is why I'm saying it. UM from a home church or a church within my home of Orsandiana where a pastor um gets up and he admits that he's committed adultery to the congregation and um. He kind of frames it in this way that says, hey, I've um, I've sinned against my family. This happened when you got home. Yeah, this happened Sunday in Warsaw, and I got text that afternoon, I got I was at the event in till Sunday morning in Colorado Springs or Sunday evening, I guess, um, so having twenty four hours later, and he says I've committed adultery. And he's framing it as I'm admitting this into the congregation um, which I think always comes from a place of hey, I'm a big enough human to admit that I've messed that kind of thing, you know, and everybody collapse. A young lady walks up on stage and says, uh, well, he just kind of walks out of the congregation and walks up on her own on stage and says, yeah, what he didn't tell you? As I was sixteen years old, when he did this, and um, the church's reaction, I can't. I don't want to judge the church's reaction. It was a very odd reaction. If you've seen the video many people have. It wasn't my reaction just then, No, it wasn't. It was national news. Um, the reaction was confused. I think it would be. And I talked to some people that were part of the congregation that day and they said, how long was he a pastor? There? For thirty five years? Um, so he he's he's in his mid sixties at this point. But I think the congregation was confused at what was happening. And I have to give him that grace and be like, hey, I know what, Like when we watched the video and we know the truth to what was happening, we can go, oh my gosh, how did the congregation not react in shock and like disappointment and whatever things you want to do? They didn't because I think they were confused at what was being said in what was happening and if it was um, yeah, and so it was a really hard thing for me to see because here's the truth. And I'll get off my soapbox in a second. I'm really saddened this week. And then we have the SBC report, the Southern Baptist Convention report, which many people know about. By the way, that is not my home church. That is not a church that I attended. I know of it because it's in a small town of wors On, Indiana, UM, but it is not a lot of people were wondering, is this your church? No, not at all the church that you're talking about with the adultery. Yeah, it is not my church. So just to be clear, I do know the people that work there, I do know of the families, but it's not my church. Um that I don't know if that makes a difference. W people are asking. I guess they were curious. But the SPC report comes out the Southern Baptist Convention UM, and they over their time of power have and they have a lot of power, a lot of political power, a lot of religious power. UM. They've covered up uh seven cases of sexual abuse and sexual assault within their congregations that would never spoke about and that came out in the investigation that was just released last week. And then obviously we have, um, the school shooting in Texas, and I you know, it's weird to jump on this podcast and a bit we're gonna go through headlines. Um. I think the question I've been asking myself this week is like, um, why what? Uh? Where? What are we doing? I think is a lot of um the confusion what are we doing? Where have we um? And in both situations, the church and the shooting, where have we neglected and pushed aside the preciousness of life? This is not me? I hope maybe it does. Maybe it is coming off as like a preachy thing. I just it's like questions I want to ask, is like, where have we gone wrong? Because we're going somewhere really wrong? And UM, I guess as a Christian myself, I want to know my role in that. And then also just as a as a human, I want to know my role in this. And so a lot of this week has been trying to figure out when the hell is happening? And again we this is the third time I'll make this statement, but we jump on this podcast and we talked about headlines, We talked about love, and we're gonna talk about relationships that are existing within this franchise. And you know, the franchise used to be a space where it was kind of marketed as an escape from the chaos that is this world. I feel like at this point in time, though, the chaos that is this world is is so prevalent and so necessary and so needed that we we don't Maybe we can't. We can't afford the escape. Uh, like none of us can. And maybe that's my point is is like we we have to all be a part of something bringing us together again, because this is gother again. We we got to get together. And it seems like every time something like this happens, people are even pulled further apart. Yeah, and then I don't know what we have to do to get bother and to get together. I wish I had answers. Have we had answers right now? Then? I guess the point is if you're listening. I think the first step here is if you're listening, I just know that, like, because you have breath, you have value and you have purpose, and that you belong and you're needed and you're necessary, and that there's people that need you and want you to be a place of healing and comfort and listening and love and joy, and just know that to be true. Then everything else that comes from this you can ask your questions on what you think is right and wrong. Those things are up for you to grapple within yourself, but just ask. Just if you hear anything in this podcast today, just leave knowing that if you have breath, you have value, um, and that we need you here. And if you feel super alone right now and all of it, UM, reach out to somebody, get some support and some help, because we just can't afford to keep this process going. If it comes treating men and women like their objects, when their kids, or if it is um going into a school and murdering innocent victims that if you look at their faces and you see their families and their stories, UM, if you just sit in that and you just know that, like what do you do? What do you say? And so yeah, I guess if you hear anything in this podcast, just know today, UM, when we do a host chat, I'm coming from a place of just trying to make sure that I personally, that you know personally Ashley, and that the people listening know that they just they got a lot of value and uh, and we need you to be your healthiest and best selves, um, because we just can't afford to keep going on this path. Well, we're gonna switch big gears here. Uh, We're going to take a break. We do a Bachelor headlines to breakdown. A lot of them are really I was reading through them. A lot of them are really encouraging this week. Some really exciting things happening with some of our friends, some people that we love and care about. I also know that Paradise is getting started up. I think Um being filmed. We're gonna talk a little bit about that. So let's take a break, come back with the almost famous podcast. We're gonna break down Bachelor headlines. It is time for Bachelor headlines. Our first one is a big one for for me, and I know Ashley, Uh, you care about these people as well. Uh. It feels less personal to me than it did with you. Because I had a very short period of time with Becca kou Friend hosting Bachelorive on stage. She was dating Garrett at the time, so I got to see that relationship and also UM was around her as that ended right and she decided and I talked to her and she decided to go on Paradise. I remember that conversation. I remember when where was at When I got the phone call. She was like, should I do it or not. Um, you know, with you, I was sitting in the midst of like roller coaster of love and breakups for years and we're still doing it today. But for me, I'm just so happy for Becca because she is somebody that desires love once love. UH is trying to do the best she can with the platform she's been given. And here's the headline. Becca Kouffrin and Thomas Jacobs now are engaged. She had the ultimate plot twist, though he said yes this according to People magazine. Okay, well, I mean, if you're a Bachelor fan, you're listening to this podcast, you know that the two of them are engaged and that she was the one that proposed. But Ben, I need to know whether, like you are obviously closer to Becca than I am. So have you talked to her directly? So you didn't know that she was going to be the one proposing. I mean, I guess you wouldn't go around telling everybody this, But no, Um, I did text with her yesterday. I didn't know she was going to propose. I didn't know they were even getting engaged. I wasn't going to be shocked just seeing how they were together and then also, I think one of the big deals for me, I had already planned on proposing to Jessica during Batchel like after Bachelor I'm on stage, But that period of life is so hard because you're on the road and you're traveling and you're it's hectic. And when you have a partner that like supports you and leans in with you and relates with you, it brings you closer together. And I think Thomas just did a great job when Becca was on tour of being a great partner to her, and so I had I had a feeling this was going to happen sooner and later. I definitely had a feeling too. I mean, she's been talking about how she's going to marry him for a while now. She said it in the headline she said on her podcast she had she basically told me at your wedding, she just kind of telling everybody at your wedding that it was just a matter of time before it was going to be them one day. And that was so cool, And it's so cool that she was, you know, engaged twice through this franchise and then decided to go on The Bachelor in Paradise and a lot of people were like, you know, don't quote quote downgrade yourself. You were the lead, don't go on Bachelor in Paradise now, Well look when they got her. That is incredible. Um. Also, I think people started speculating that they were engaged when they went to Hawaii, I think like a week ago, and it just seemed like there's a vibe about their instagrams in Hawaii that seemed like they had been engaged, that that maybe they were getting engaged, that they had gotten engaged in Hawaii, and then they were like going to hide it for a few days. Um, but don't really have details right on where it happened. He said, it's a secret that they've been keeping between them close family and friends for quote a while, and now we're excited to shout it from the rooftops. I finally found my chauffeur for life and the one who makes my heart smile every single day. I can't wait to do it all with you, Tommy. Thanks for making me the happiest Galt alive. I love you to the moon and back. And yeah, so he has an engagement ring, even has a little dime into is an engagement ring. And she is also wearing a ring. Yeah, I kind of like here too. And I'm sure we are part of this group. I'm sure we were at some point in time or I don't know how much we we bought into the whole thing, but you know, he his story on the Bachelorette. You did buy into it. Men, we didn't. We know. We were like every week we're like really like keeping get some like some heavy proof as to why this guy's the villain. This doesn't make any sense. We're like, these guys just seem to be hating him for are like hearsay, okay, well that that that makes me feel better. I'm glad that's how we took it, because he just has really proved the haters wrong, like he's I mean, and not that he did got engaged Tobecca to prove him wrong. I doubt that's the I think that's the furthest thing from his mind right now. But if anybody was like questioning his intentions going on the show or questioning who he was as a person, he's now engaged one of the most beloved people from the franchise. Uh. He has been a tremendous partner to Becca. I know that personally they're very very happy together. Uh. And I mean, yes, it's been public because it is a public relationship because they have a falling, But they haven't done things that makes you go, wow, they're just in this for the fame of it. No. In fact, I would say they did the opposite, Like they broke up and then they got back together and they've kind of dated quietly. They've held this engagement off from telling the public for a while. I feel like that this is like one of the coolest stories that have came out of Paradise or the Bachelor franchise in a long time time, and it's one to definitely celebrate, really really cool story. And it's mind boggling to think that they got together a year ago. They've been dating for a year. It feels like yesterday. It does well, Uh, speaking of couples being together or not. The Bachelorte alum Michelle Young This is Wild refute claims that her and Nate have split after she was spotted without her ring. This according Las Weekly, So she was getting drinks or lunch or something with friends and she was spotted, like Ben said, without her ring um, and somebody put the video on the internet. I'm not sure whether or not they put it on the internet just saying like, look I saw Michelle out to lunch, or whether they were like, look I saw Michelle to lunch and she wasn't wearing her ring. But whatever happened she the video hit the internet and people saw that she wasn't wearing her ring, and it caused all these rumors that she and Nate had broken up. And then she took to Instagram and she was like, listen, you guys, I'm not a zoo animal. It's literally literally what she said, like, our relationship is not like a zoo exhibit. The reason that you see me in that video, which I can't believe, I'm like getting on here to explain, is that I took off my ring at that table, had my friend put it on her finger to just see what it looked like on her finger, because like, you know, she's a girl, and like girls love to like put engagement rings on her finger because like you like to pretend like we're engaged if we're not, and we'd like to see you know, different style rings and all that. She's like, So if you were like caring enough to take that video and point out the fact that I wasn't wearing my ring that you should be like caring enough to like make a point that I gave my ring across the table to my friend and then put it right back on. Yeah, so wild and so weird. Just that's small. I mean, it feels like such a small thing for her to have to explain. Well, hey, here's a big news. Tasia Adams will host the MTV Movie and TV Awards. This according to screen Ry, so this is a little bit of a misconstrued headline. She will be hosting part of the TV and Movie Awards. She's going to be doing the the reality portion. I believe. Yes, she will be hosting the MTV Movie and TV Awards unscripted, so it'll be the component of it that covers reality TV. But still like freaking amazing. Wow, Like, way to go, Tasia, that is so awesome. This is Paris Hilton. This week on the This is Paris podcast, NICKI and I will be joined by Anna Delby. You may think you know her from inventing Anna on Netflix. Get to know the real Anna? Is She a con artist and a fraudster or risk taking entrepreneur and audacious wanted that lover her or hate her, We're all curious. The real heiresses sit down with the fake heiress right now on This is Paris. Listen to This is Paris Now wherever you listen to podcasts. Well Ashley uh Here's headline about a friend beat the Bachelor lumb beck At Tilly talks about not identifying as a lesbian, and she dishes more on her romance with Hailey ki Yoko after finally confirming year long, years long relationship. This according to Daily Mail, So if you want to hear everything in anything that Becca is willing to share about her relationship with Haley, definitely head over to our like I want to cast a sister podcast, um Our, I heart our fellow, I heart podcast Scrubbing In with Beca, Tilly and Tanya ride So. On the podcast last week, she said, so, I was prepared for anything and everything, you know. Um. When she revealed her relationship with her, she goes, but I was not prepared for the amount of love and support that we got. Haley has really made me feel brave, and she was always like, people love you and they want to see you happy. Um. She also said, I've always said I'll go public. We can go public, if I can be in one of your videos, if I can be like the video girl. Um. She also said that, um, it was kind of she when the time came, she was just like, Okay, I think I'm ready. I think it's time. And that was, you know, four years after she had been in the relationship, and you know, like we said last week. I think we said this last week. Um. She never wants to be called secret, you know, she just wanted to be called like, the relationship is very private, and she said, like, we've always been very much ourselves. We've held hands in public, wee kiss if I meet someone. I always introduced Haley as my girlfriend. I've never been like, this is my friend or this is my best friend. I really made an effort to make sure that there was this distinction between private and secret. And she also said that, you know, this is as far as what you said the headline was saying. With her not identifying as a lesbian, she was leading up to this point, I was like, oh my gosh, I'm going to have to address like my sexuality, my label, and I was never concerned with that. She says, I think that my story is different from other people. She talks about her sister. She's my sisters when they've talked to me, Um, they've always said, I'm not I've never been attracted to men because Becca's sisters are lesbians. And she said they've always been very confident in who they were and that label meant something to them. So basically Becca is just not putting a label on her sexuality. Well it's uh, you know, I remember even talking to Colton and he's like, you know that once he came out publicly, there's a process to try to figure it all out, you know, figure out where you fit, what has to change, what doesn't change. And I think what you know Colton was telling us what we're hearing from Becca here is like nothing about you changes or has to change unless you wanted to. Um, I'm glad because I love Becca. I'm glad she's a good human. Care about her and uh it's good to see her. Um so happy and uh at peace. Well, Ashley, that's all the headlines we have for you today. We do have a final little note here. Uh it's not a headline as much as it just um this Kelly flanagain Peter thing continues to come up, um, over and over again. It's like once a year one of them says something about each other, good or bad. Well right now, Kelly Flann again says Peter Weber's romance was just fun in Games. I didn't look at him as my spouse that this according to US Weekly. I read this headline and I need you to break down this story for me, and I was like, well, okay, that's fine. They dated, they had fun, there was a quarantine relationship, I guess, but it's interesting to see it go to this boys like it was just funny games. I thought for a while it was very serious. We had him on the podcast. I thought it was a big thing for them. Yeah, I don't know. Okay, so she says in the podcast, she goes, um, I don't think there was one specific thing that led to the fall down. The downfall for me and Peter's a lot of little things. Um. Peter and I had a lot of fun. But I don't know if I looked up to him in the way that I wanted to look up to my spouse, she said. Um. She continued to compare Pete to the men and her family. She said, I have this with my brothers and my dad, where if I'm in a moment where I need some sound advice and look for and to look and look for who to go to on important decisions, like she goes to her dad and her brother's for important decisions. But Peter it was just fun in games, she said. I could have fun with him, but I wanted more of a man that I look up to. I just didn't look up to Peter in the way that I always hoped that I would look up to my husband who couch h Yeah, well that's all we have for you today. Thank you, uh for listening to me get something off my chest. It's been a weird week, and this is a good place, UM where I get to come and talk with you, Ashley and everybody listening, and your feedback and your insights from the listeners are always very UM welcomed and important. UH. We hope you here, UM, have a great week, enjoy the shortened work week if you have one, UH, and that we'll be back next week to talk to you once again. Until then, I've been been. It's always a pleasure, Ben, I've been Ashley. Thanks. Follow the Ben and Ashley I almost Famous podcast on I our radio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts,