In-Tayshia-ble

Published Dec 9, 2020, 4:00 AM

Chris Harrison’s better half is guest co-hosting...it’s Entertainment Tonight’s Lauren Zima! She spills some JUICY behind the scenes details about the show from her boyfriend Chris Harrison and we get Lauren’s expert opinion on who Tayshia should pick at the end of the season. 

There may even be a surprise call from you know who....

Plus, you saw him perform on this week’s episode but we’ll get to know rising country star Adam Hambrick and hear him perform live exclusively for you!




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This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast with our radio. Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast. A joy to be back with you this week. Unfortunately Ben had to take the week off he's on a trip, so I have maybe the greatest co host filling in for him I could possibly ask for. It is Lauren Siema, who you know as an entertainment correspondent from Entertainment Tonight. She has she hosts in produces the most popular segment I think on their YouTube, Roses and Rose and Roses and Rose airs on broadcast TV and YouTube. By the way, so Lauren interviews so many celebrities a list, but her specialty, her real niche is when it comes to past, present and future contestants on the Bachelor franchise. And we must note that she's also Chris Harrison's girlfriend of two and a half years. Everyone welcome Lauren Zeema, my friend. So glad you're oh Miss Ashley I Canetti icon, beloved Bachelor industry veteran, also media maybe and I just feel like I need to give you some pops back after what was just the best intro I've ever gotten. Thank you so much. I couldn't be happy to be here. I feel like so lucky because I've never been on you and Ben's amazing podcast before, and now I get to come in and guest co host with you. This is a dream and I'm not I recognize that today that you had never been on this podcast, and I was like, that's so weird because we've talked to Chris multiple times about you, but you are one of my favorite people to watch recap. You are honest, but never in a mean way. So I love I love how tasteful you're able to make fun of the show. Well, thank you. That's what I always think, right, I'm not a hate watcher. I don't know. I feel like the core of all the recapping interviewing we all do is like we love the show, right, Like, I don't understand there's some people who I feel like just want to totally hang on it, and I sort of think, well, then why are you watching the show? Um? Like, the best thing to me is to have fun with it, but not make mean fun of it. So thank you for saying that, that's the tone that I tried to strike. I completely agree. Okay, So I want to jump into the Bachelorette recap right now. We heard from you fans that you guys want to recap above headline, So that's what we're going to do from now on. Let's start with the first scene. It's the cliffhanger resuming. We have Bennett versus Noah. Who were you rooting for during this, Lauren, Oh my gosh. Well, I had loved Bennett pretty much the whole sport. Yes, I was a big fan, you know, to be the big Bennett fan. And then I had turned on him this last episode because I felt like he was just getting a little too harsh with Noah. And then it wasn't coming from like a grounded place. I didn't understand what the real issues with Noah were, and I did not think it was coming from a helpful place Bennett. So let's take the spa water drink a little more and make sure we're making good choices. Um So, But in this moment, I'll be honest, I just was thinking to send them both home. I don't think was going to happen. Is that what you predicted? What? What? What did you want to happen? Well, I thought that was gonna happen. I thought that would probably be like the smartest decision. However, I do feel like she has a connect with Noah. We've had good moments with Noah, especially in that mustache shaving episode. I haven't really felt any chemistry with her and Bennett. I think Bennett has been great TV, super entertaining for us, has had glimmers of coming out of his shell slash character sture, but has never really gotten there. And you're right, the character got a little old in the past week or so because it was all funny until we realized we're like, wait, I think he's funny because he's so self aware. Oh wait, ship, is he not civilware at all? It's the old school phrase Bennett jumped the shark. I think he went far now. All that being said, I still hope and pray to see him, you know, hopefully if things don't work out with Tasha, which I don't predict. There's any obviously coming back from here, but I do hope to see him in Paradise. I I think with Tasia, you can really see that she like I felt like she was cringing a little bit every time Bennett went in for a kiss. I agree that this is not there. And then with Noah, I feel the physical chemistry is more there, but the emotional wasn't. So that's why I thought send them both home. But I think the thing about Tassia is and probably why we're seeing these guys seem to fall so hard for her, is that she's just great to be around. So it's almost I don't know. I was reminded a bit of both of them, actually with both of them, of watching Tasha with j p J. Like I kind of agree, you know, like like you knew that she thought he was funny, and then maybe she thought he was cute, but you didn't sense a long term Noah. It reminds me a lot of that. Yeah, yeah, and and like Bennett too, but in a different way. And I do think Tasia is also kind of so nice that she would give someone maybe more chances than they might deserve. Like I'm not saying she doesn't, like she tells people how she feels, but she's she also is like, I'll give you a second chance, you know, like when she told Noah, and the thing is, once she told Noah you're gonna stick around for the Rose ceremony, was sort of thinking, well, she can't send him home. Then I know that was a dead giveaway to us that that he was going to stick around. And then when you kind of looked at the other guys to be sent home, you're like, Okay, I guess if I compare the chemistry between her and Noah and like her and demor Ed, I understand now. Now what I thought was wacky was the fact that Blake stuck around. But we could talk about that later. Oh my god, why did I just blank on her? Blake? Blake on Blake. He's the one that has the beard all around his jaw. Oh my god, Blake. We're still in this place sometimes where I do feel we're getting to know these guys better, but yeah, there are some episodes where we're still like not seeing a lot of like, oh my gosh, I forgot Blake still here. That means Blake shouldn't be here. If by this point I was exactly it was bizarre. And then we saw spendserly before him too, and we know that they had an early connection, but that didn't really develop. But anyway, let's we'll talk about the Rostromer and a second, I do want to talk about how Tasha, you know, pulls Bennet aside. She says, that she feels like she's in a hard place. She asked Bennett if, like, if he's questioning her integrity, She's so articulate in these moments. I'm like, God, I wish I was you. And then she says that she doesn't that he doesn't have the right to tell anyone who she's going to end up with, that she's gonna end up like, you know, because he said there was zero percent chance of Noah ending up with her in the end. So she's like, you don't have the right to say that. But it apologizes, but then she says that there's just like too much drama around him that she feels like he's condescending. You know, there's that oh my god cringe alert when he starts talking about the four components of e Q emotional intelligence. Can we get him and Taylor Nolan together? Um, I don't want anybody to quote Bennett on that. Nothing about that felt emotional intelligent, emotionally intelligent. No I was like, I don't know where he got this from. If he's trying to quote that book he has, I don't think he's doing it right. Kids, do not turn to this moment on the mature for your accurate information on emotional intelligence and maturity. I also felt like, how did you feel about the criticism of Noah period? Like I think in this episode Noah said something like age doesn't mean maturity, and I totally agree. And I'm not sitting here singing Noah's praises, But do you think he's as immature as Bennett is acting? Like, you know, we're weeks beyond wherever that moment that Bettett started name calling him immature and I can't even remember what did it even branch from? That's my thing. I have felt like with this fight, I don't even know what it's about. And I kind of felt that way also with like the Chase and an ed fight. Of course, I don't know if we're missing some plot points, but I didn't understand Lauren. I really think that they had no drama, Like I think these guys got along really well. I think that Tasia wasn't creating any drama bout making like questionable decisions like we saw with Peter last season, And I just think that there wasn't and they were just kind of like pulling at straws in any little tension they really exploited. I don't disagree with that. I mean, look, I think that I think what we are missing is like the playful drama. We're getting a lot of really real reveals and there were even more in this episode from Ben, but like people talking about really real issues, and I think that's so powerful to share on t V and to normalize for people watching at home. And it seems silly next to those conversations to have drama that seems to have no substance. It does, but I think it's between a rock and a hard place because also, at the same time, what's the show we know and love? It's The Bachelor and The Bachelor, you know. I I love when the show will give you, um, give the viewers a a moment that makes them think because it's given to them in this like digested way where we're watching this you know, silly reality show and then oh wait, we've kind of like reflected for a minute and had our eyes open to something. But at the same time, we love the silly reality show, so I understand why there It's like, we've got to give people something, you know what I meant, it would be weird if we didn't have any sort of arguments. I feel like we've gone from I keep saying this from one extreme to the other. Claren Dale was like the most insane drama ever, edge of my seat, like what is happening? And then now we've gone to like the most real stuff. And yet I will be honest, I'm missing Claren Dale. I do. I don't miss that section of the season at all. I live for tetatious side and it's so funny because I really, Oh, I'm like soaking in these episodes. That's so interesting. Okay, well, let's get back to Noah and Tatia's little one on one sash. She says that she's confused because there's been like so much drama surrounding Noah now and he hates the fact that he's the center of drama, which, of course everyone says that who's ever been, like, oh, I love being a center of drama. And then Noah um talks about how Bennett was talking down to people the gift that was so condescending. Um, he gets a little emotional and like he says that he wants Tia to make her own decisions. She ends up deciding that Bennett is the one that's going to go. She sends him home. He's like shocked, which I don't know how he's shocked. And then she comes and don't you love this moment when she goes, don't you be smiling like you're in the clear? Look Tasha is. She does that standards with all of these men, like standards that they need to meet in her conversations with them, which I love seeing. And I thought ben It's exit was good. I'll give him that. He's like, I'm so sorry if that came across that way. He did have a mature moment of just owning anything. And I might have also missed this, but I didn't really sense that he was questioning Tasia's integrity. I did understand where she was coming from that she was saying, you know, you don't like make the decisions for you. But I thought Bennett gave a solid exit. He he apologized, and uh Noah seemed to be just totally befuddled on how he arrived in his current state. I know, right, I know, but it was it was funny. I love. I just love the way she said that. He was like, oh, oh, okay, I know, well, you know what we're talking about, Bennett. Let's fast forward to the end of the episode because it does kind of can tinue this storyline. Bennett comes back, and I was like, mind boggled. First off, do you remember a couple of weeks ago when there were rumors that her husband was going to make an appearance on this season? There was like TikTok's floating around that his voice the subtitle. Yeah, so I thought she was going to open that fence door or whatever that was and see her husband there, But then it was Bennett. So I was shocked for multiple reasons. And then it just unfolds to be like the weirdest thing that I've seen Tassia do in the past couple of weeks, or like the most questionable because one we we never really felt chemistry between her and Bennett, but now she's believing that he loves her, and she's even considering bringing him back, And especially at a week where she's deciding who her top four hometown dates are going to be, what do you feel like was behind this decision? I think I go back to what I said before, where it just seems like Tassia is a nice, second chance giving person and I sort of wonder if she just was too kind too in the moment tell someone who just said I love you no goodbye? Um. Maybe or maybe we are missing something huge from his storyline. Maybe I don't like to bring up edit, but perhaps there's more chemistry, They're more connection that we're not seeing. And because he's such a caricature that it's like just funnier and more polarizing to keep him looking like a caricature without any emotion. It's the only thing that I can come up with. If this was like a couple of weeks ago and she was going to let him join like the ten remaining men, sure, but the week that she's trying to limit it down to four just seems bizarre. She also says she's like, I was planning on giving you that rose, so she was planning on him being in her top how many you left? Six or seven? Interesting? I know that was interesting for her to hear her say she didn't she wasn't gonna send him home that night. But you know, sometimes I wonder about do you ever like date someone for a while because it seems like it should work, and you know, ultimately you have to face that, like as much as this person on paper seems great, like it's just not there, you know, Yeah, yeah, I get it. I'm like, maybe that's it with Bennett. He's this guy who's mid thirties. Obviously it's a great education, so he must be smart. Even though you know what, I never got to ask you about this. He really get all those answers wrong on you and Jared's school date. So he must have been getting the same amount of questions wrong as the other guys for not to stand out to us. And we just saw the questions and answers that he got wrong. I'm like, how is Boo getting this wrong? He went to Hart and I just don't believe it. I had very major skep uh skepticism, But I you know, he's so, he's educated, he's uh, you know, he dressed as well, he's handsome, he's kind. He he does respond at li Cetasia prettymaturely, except for this Noah thing. And I sort of wonder if he's a guy, like is she and has she kept him around thinking this guy seems great and yet she really knows the connection isn't there somewhere, you know? And is she wondering if it will develop, if the spark will come, if she just gives it more time. No, I don't think so Okay, well you think there's a big piece missing in their relationship that we haven't seen on the show. It's the only excuse because if we were to go with the theory that you just gave, which is a great theory, but like, look at what she did last week with Easy. She was having a great time with Easy. Easy was creating no drama. Um, but then the second he said I love you, she was like goodbye. Yeah. But I don't know, I hadn't. I felt like I hadn't seen her an Easy talk that much. I've seen Bennett more like, you know, promise things he was going to give to her, like that for proposal he gave her on that scab that was one of his glimmers. Yes, So I felt like I'd seen more from Bennett and between her and Bennett then with Easy and her Easy said. When Easy said that to me, I felt like, where's this even coming from? This? Honestly, I felt like, even though I loved watching Easy, I felt as though he was just saying that because he thought that's what you say on this show. That's what I thought that Bennett was doing when he came back. No, Bennett, I think is caught up. I believe Bennett kind of okay, So that's where I wanted to go from here. I think that he's a harvard Man, handsome Harvard man, has a great job. I feel like women are probably after him all the time, even though he doesn't seem to have his emotional intelligence like down so well um, and then this woman so stunning, so smart herself denies him and picks like other men over him. I feel like he's having this like shook moment and he's falling in love in that way that like you can't have the you can't well, you can't have Yeah, we all want we can. I was the oldest brick in the book. Yeah, exactly. That's how I'm married today. I believe in I think you gotta play a little game in the beginning to you know, keep people on their toes. That's what you gotta do. I will say some of the stuff that Bennett said when he returned. I had seen a lot of people compare Bennett to a Christian Bale's American psycho character. I don't want to my own horn, but I do believe I was one of the first people to say that publicly, and I'm like, guys, the non violent kind. It doesn't want to make sure right, just again the caricature for the first time. It was just like the way he was talking when he came back, and some of the things he was saying, like in this tone he was coming in. I mean, I was laughing. It was great TV. He's coming in. He's like, can I come in? Oh, it smells amazing in here. I'm so happy to see you. I was like, what, I know. I know he's a wild one. He is somebody that we've never seen on this show before. Uh, and we'll see how his storyline ends. I cannot imagine her keeping him around. No, there's no way, right, no way. Well, we see in the promo that he's wearing a suit and talk to the other guys. So I'm like, he makes it back in some way. You're right, he does make it back into the group. You Know what's interesting is as we lead into hometowns, I think about the hometown is not really being hometowns but more like family week and these families they've got to be quarantining already. So I'm wondering, right because back at liquina. We had to quarantine for five days before maybe it was four nights, two tests, always to tests before we went into you know, public spaces. So I'm thinking, Um, these families are probably already quarantining and they're gonna have to send some of them back without even making it on the show. Oh painful. Well, sorry Mom, Sorry Dad. I know it's so confusing. I get that we have to keep calling at hometowns because that's the show, but I want to call it like family staycations or like family vaca, because nobody's going to their hometown. You know, we're all at the liking Duck. I'm very interested to know if they've brought parents and siblings and stuff, or if it's like do they just bring parents in? If they bring in more than parents and siblings, did they get the family like a little house or are they in different rooms? Like I have a lot of logistics questions. I'm very excited to see. I also will say I don't think Bennett's going to make it to his family being met on the show, but I really want to meet Bennett's family. I want to see where this kid came from. Oh my god, you can you imagine how amazing that would be. What if his family is just super normal? Right? I think he said on the really revealing our date. I think he said he didn't grow up in privilege, because that was that moment where Noah like through the word privilege at him and by the way, spelled it wrong. Um, but I will so I want to see. I have like a lot of questions I taught when I interviewed um Dr Joseph Park are wonderful doctor who was I thought sent home too soon? I asked him, are Bennett's closed for real? Like? Is that really? Like? You know, it seems like he's so well dressed and expensive, And Joe said Lauren his shoe collection, like one pair of shoes costs more than like all the shoes I owned put together. He was like, the cost of this man's wardrobe was insane to me. So I'm like, where's this coming from? Is it family money? Is it? He? Is he incredibly successful? For real? Like? I have a lot of questions. We gotta do some background research. Alright, we're gonna take a break right now from this recap, which is going fantastically, but we're gonna break. Then we're gonna be a fan on for a fan question. They have a couple of questions for you, I think Lauren, and yeah, we'll be right right back after this. All right, we're back. Let's get her caller on the line. It's a mystery caller for me, it's just a fan, which is fun. We do this on on occasion. It's been a while. We usually did in the studio. Oh wow, hello caller. Um, Hi nice, Sorry, uh long time listener, first time callers love the show. Um, I actually I love you, Ashley. I'm sorry Ben is not there. I have a question for for Lauren Seema. She's had really public crushes this season on a couple of the guys and Bennett and Joe, and I'm just wondering are things okay at home with her boyfriend Chris Harrison because we love him. Wow caller, Um, caller whose name I don't know? Thank you for calling in, caller. I mean I knew the second Okay, So wow, our things okay at home with Chris Harrison and myself? Um? Do I mean wow? Anything we're gonna get into this here? Um? Well, you're just I mean, I I pay attention to your social media. By the way, Elsie. You're fantastic. You do such a great thing. Love Rosen Rose. But man, you were really affectionate with with your love of Bennett and public about Joe. And I'm just I'm worried about you because I love you and Chris Harrison. Do you get there right? You know? Can? I can? I ask you, caller, what do you think Chris Harrison and I should stay together? Like? What do you think should be next for us? Oh? I would never be so presumptuous as to decide what you guys should do. I just I'm just worried about you, guys, because I love you so much. Okay, I was just wondering if probably should like take any big next steps together. I don't know, like maybe move in or anything. I I always like to get the fans opinions and then take everything they say very seriously. Um and by the way, I don't mean to take up too much time. I'll hang up and I'll take my answer off the air. Okay, thanks Chris Harrison. Oh, but we really wanted to know Billy Bob from Texas. Okay, well you know Billy Bob. I will tell you my my Bennett and Joe. Uh flirtations were were if they appeared that way. We're purely as a fan, just loving them as good TV. Um. Actually, when I interviewed Joe before the interview started, he said, is this interview gonna make Chris Harrison mad? And I was like, Wow, maybe I've gone too far, Maybe I showed too much love for Joe. So you know, I apologize, Billy Bob before you leave. I just have a quick question. Do you think that there's like a conflict of interests with Lauren Ziema dating Chris Harrison? Like, do you think that she gives her all these behind the scenes uh tidbits and she's able to conduct the greatest interviews because of it? Well, actually, um, I don't know, um, because you know, I'm not around them. I wish it would be a dream come true to be near them. Um. But sadly, I think it's the opposite that Chris is so um behind the times and so not cool that he actually learned more from Lauren about his own show than he probably knows himself, which is really sad wellefully unaware. Yes, you're right, Billy Bob. I don't how you knew that, but you're right. I deliver it alright, Well, Billy, thank you so much for calling in and uh by, ladies, love you both, have a great day. You'll have fun if you fine? Good? I love you, stranger. Wow, what that really got me? I really didn't expect that. I was so excited to talk to a fan. Not that that was disappointing, but I mean, Chris Harrison's voice is unmistakable. That's hilarious. Thank you for doing that. That's of course, that was very fun. Now, I gotta know, does Chris actually get jealous a little bit when you talk about guys being hot, whether they're from the franchise or not, because Jared doesn't love it. He says that because you know, like all four of us really are public figures, it would be too easy for us to meet and somehow fall in love with our celebrity crushes, bachelor crushes anything like that. Oh interesting. Um, he doesn't care at all about when it comes to like bachelor stuff, you know, because I think Chris's franchise doesn't like right, Like I've peeked, like like why why why I go out for a hamburger when you have steak at home? Um? I also think it's like like, Chris is really great at man crushing on people. You know, he's got more man crushes than girl crushes. Oh my gosh. We literally I'm not even joking you. The other day we were like, um pulling our car into somewhere and this guy got out of his car and uh, Chris goes literally goes, wow, even I have a crush on that guy. I was like, I didn't even notice that guy, what are you talking about? Like, and you know he'll like, you know, throws up all the love to uh Matt James and Matt james Is and Tyler Cameron's of the franchise for their incredible fitness, Like, yeah, I don't think he cares at all? Do I think he gets so maybe about me interviewing. I interviewed Richard Gear one time, and I really don't think that Chris likes how much I bring that up is my face interview ever, because Richard here was like one of my childhood crushes. You know, you're a rom como woman and all that. He doesn't look like pretty woman anymore, but still the auras there fox now, yeah, I mean, and he was just incredibly charming in the interview. And I always cite that as my favorite interview, and I feel like Chris is like, Okay, can we stop talking about that? Why am I not your favorite interview? You know, sometimes your your childhood crushes live up to you. I mean, if they live up to what you want, how can you go? How can you get better than that? I know? All right, well, let's get back into the recap. I do want to talk about your personal life a little bit more later, but we'll do a whole little interview with Lauren Zema or LZ as Billy Bob slash. Chris Harrison just referred to her as Okay, so we're done with Bennett, but now we're on to Ben and wow, that was a heavy, deep date. Um so impressive. Um. Let's let's start by saying that Ben has been the object of Tasia's affections. I feel like for a while, he has stood out to me for a long time, but there was always something that she felt like she couldn't get inside him. Yeah, deeply his brain, There's there's something there. Right, last week we saw an evolution. I still feel like the whole naked thing was a little bit weird, but the fact that we learned about Bulimia and his issues with that following the strip, and then especially this week after knowing when he's gone through over the past couple of years, you know, with those lows, I think the strip makes a little bit more sense now, just because like he couldn't be like, oh, you know what I'm going to be I'm going to explain all of that I've gone through in front of these men with a piece of art. It's like, no, I'm going to save this up for private time with her. What were you thinking? Yeah, I mean when you look back at that art date and like I think Brendan held up an empty frame, Blake made a clay penis Like it was like Ben could not get into his level of stuff amongst that collection of works. Um, I was so blown away when he said I could correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he said like his family didn't even know that he had attempted suicide, but he was s first person. So that was that made me think that Ben does have so many layers to him. And um, you know, I know he was in the army and and then not anymore. And I think sometimes when you've like so fully devoted your life to something that it's out of your life. That's a huge transition. It sounds like he's gone through so much. And I really, you know, raised my glass to him for again normalizing being open about some of these tough things on such a huge platform. Um. I I was surprised when to just said I feel like I'm not getting something out of you, because in my mind I was thinking, oh my gosh, but he just shared so much with you last week. Maybe she meant like, I feel like there's still more. Yeah, yeah. I I also applaud Taia for how she responded to it. I just felt like it was a really beautiful conversation because that's something where you know, it is so important what you give back to somebody when they've shared like that with you. And I thought she handled it really well. Um yeah, I mean Ben is he is somebody who I think she does have unlike you know, maybe the Bennett. She is incredible physical chemistry with him when he grabs her face and kisses her, and so I'm thinking, one knowing they have that physical chemistry and now they're connecting on these really deep reveals, I'm sort of like, how how this is like an unstoppable it's becoming an unstoppable connection. What what do you think their future hole? I think really, yeah, do you not? I feel like it goes down betwe him and Zach and I think he's gonna win. Um, We're just seeing too much goodness between the two of them. And yeah, I just want to like just second when you said like the power and that he Yeah, it was such a powerful moment them having that conversation. It was something that we truly have never seen on this show before. We've had like some serious conversations, right, we had this, We had the Black Lives Matter conversation with Ivan a couple of weeks ago, we had the drug addiction conversation with Zach, Um with Kalin with the sexual abuse, and now we have a conversation here about suicide and just truly brave and powerful for him to be so open and vulnerable with us, um and you know, it's just something that we need to talk about. And I love the fact that the show is having these open moments. Yeah. I didn't shy away from it, especially for you know, a man to open up about it. Get that's something very people get into. Um. I man in terms of Ben winning or who might uh be there at the end. I will say she and Brendan had such a strong first one on one, and you know, we haven't seen him lately, and sometimes when I'm watching the show, there will be somebody who has like that great one on one in the beginning and then they kind of lay low for a little while and then pop back up at the end. And he'd been divorced too, so they connected on that and I felt like she had great chemistry with him. She is having such strong connections to these guys because they've lived you know, these are older guys, they want been through stuff, and they're opening up and I think, my, I think something that's going to have to happen from here is Like I also want to see Tastia get into who she could really live a real life with after the show, And I don't know if we've gotten into that. I feel like we've seen her have these guys open up and they're connecting, but like, what does the future look like for them? Like, and I don't totally know who she'd fit it's best yet in that regard, you know what I mean? Like, Yeah, I don't know, I don't know what Ben's actually I'm forgetting where Ben's from. I don't know where he lives. He lives in l A. He lives in Sa Monica. So it's really close to her, okay, because she's a calli girl and exacts all the way on the East Coast that stopped Bachelor couples before. Um yeah, interesting, Okay. I I don't see Ben going anywhere. I think at this point they've shared so much and like I'm seeing him sticking through hometowns for for sure. Okay, No, I completely agree, but sticking to that Zach and Ben in the end, So what else have we not talk? We do need to talk about Riley In his serious conversation, Riley was, Okay, it was so funny. I was watching with my dad and once he got that question wrong on the group date where they're doing the lie detector test. My dad was like, there's a story behind that, and I was like, really, you think up there, lo and behold there it is. You know. He talks about how his parents separated, how his dad end up at up getting so custody, and he finds some things out about his dad years later doesn't sit well with him. Now. It seems like he went from being a strange to his mom. Uh, to reconciling, and now I think that maybe he's got some distance between him and his dad. He ends up changing his name to his mom's mom's maiden name or whatever name that she has currently. And uh, we're just learning so much about these guys. You know what, your dad had a better spiky sense or a bachelor sense than I did. I just thought this LIE detector test seems like the as I detector test. Dates you don't I am just like, is this real? I don't know. Isn't there something where like is Jojo monitoring this? Is there's someone it's back room whose licensed to do this? Like? What is the efficacy is someone? I just had questions about the logistics, considering we had three eight bulbs red, green, and yellow that we're blinking around with the answers, what did the yellow ball? Bean? Was it a half lie? I was so good and then I thought that it was. I thought there was gonna be a joke about like, Okay, it wasn't really real because Riley said, I'm a lawyer, LIE allowed my clients to use. Well, for anyone who watches crime shows, we know that LIE detective results are not admissible in courts, and it's because you know, yeah, they can be a little wonky, or because that's because it's just like well with Zach, you know, Zack forced himself basically to say yes, he cheated because he knew, like in his nerves, in his brain, the little time where he made out as a sixth grader with a girl that wasn't his girlfriend was gonna pop up. So he was super honest. So that when Zack sat down, he was looking at Tashia like I just heard a sense of how into her he was in that moment. I felt like he was staring at her like I am not going to blow this. I'm doing this right, especially considering he just cried in the middle the day about how much he wanted taste, Like his parents seem happy, like, oh my god, but we're not. We're not on the bachelorrete anymore. We are like in a Lifetime movie and we are working some stuff out. I am so emotionally invested in Zach. I don't know why, Like I the amount of attractive that that man has grown, the amount of like, yeah, the amount that I'm attracted to him in a platonic sense has grown so much. Dar come on, because like just we've gotten to know his personality so well, and I just love like his swag and just the way that they look at each other. I know we talked about this a lot last week to our our listeners, but there's something about that guy really really like him the way the Bachelor and the Bachelorette. What it confirms for me is that for anybody, anywhere, an attractive person can become less so if their personality sucks. And a person who you might not have looked at a second time, if they have a great personality. Well, I yes, So Riley, Zack and Riley do the lie detector test. I had my questions, but it's fine. It was fun. It was a revealing exercise. Do you think that if you cheat in the sixth grade, you're a cheater? No? No, but I do think it would set a lie detector off. So I think it was good that he admitted it. I have to be honest. But do you think there was something more? Do you think there was something more? No? Well, Tassia said, and you can tell and I understand that. You know, we all respond to like what's happened in our past and we like that's the lens through which we see. Tassia said once a cheater, always a cheater, that she believes that. I don't believe that as a thing, Like I, I don't know. It's kind of like xact with the sixth grade thing. I'm just saying, who didn't have a moment in high school or college where you were like figuring stuff out? You know, I don't know. I I it really depends on what the cheating is, and I also and what the context of the relationship is. I just don't look at it that way. Um, but it was really really adorable that Zach owned up to his sixth grade bolarama makeout. Yeah, I totally agree. And yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure about the cheater always a cheater thing. It's something that my mom always said growing up. Really yeah, but I don't know. I don't know. I think it depends on your age and maturity level as well, Like you could be a totally different person at twenty then you are at thirty, and I don't think that you're going to have the same behaviors in a relationship. But anyway, we have to take a quick break because we have a very special guest. We have the performer that performed on last night's episode, and what a gorgeous voice in song that he sang. We have the artist Adam Hambroke coming on and he I think he's going to perform for us right here. Oh my god, we're getting serend a dream. I didn't expect this treat. Yes Hi Adam, UM, thank you for being here. Welcome to the Almost Fanas Podcast. Thanks for having me. This is this is awesome. I'm gonna be straight up honest with you. I was not aware of for you are before that episode, but I went and I downloaded your songs because you you've got a great voice. I'll it's like a it's like a Richard Marks field that I get with you, and our listeners know that I love a Richard Marks I'll take that. That's high praise. Thank you. So how was it being on the show performing on the show. Um, just an intimate setting. UM, you know, it's really cool. Uh, it's cool for a lot of reasons. Um. One, it was really cool because my first time I'm ever doing like TV, uh, like starting this artist track in my career, Like I moved to Nashville to write songs, and that was sort of the thing that kind of got me started. And then um, you know, had some success there and that was sort of thing that kind of lauched me into like getting to make my own music and my own records. But this is the first time I've actually been able to take that to TV and see how it translates. I was super nervous. Um, but because I guess because like the quarantine bubble or whatever, we got to go we got to like chill for a couple of days and we had to be like quarantine up and COVID test. Did you enjoy it? Did you enjoy that quarantine? Because Jared and I did when we were down at Laquinta. There are worse places to be hold up. I'll tell you that exactly our thoughts. It was kind of like it was a little like college. I mean, we just we drank Coors Light and played PlayStation for three days in my band. It was kind of awesome. That's amazing. How did you feel the chemistry between Ben and Tatia was just from the little you got to see of their date, you know, I thought, I mean they were just really into the evening. You'd tell they were kind of like lost in each other and and like whatever. And I've never like watched the show, so this so be so stepping on to set that was my first exposure to the show period, and uh, I was just like these are real people who are like really all about what's going on? Like this is I have a completely superficial question for you. How I know how gorgeous Tasia is in person? Like how incredibly handsome has been in person? He looks like Captain America to me? What I said to like that that dude, Steve Rogers, that's Captain America right there. But yeah, like super nice dude too. Like we talked for a little bit afterwards. Um toxication. Of course, she's just like I don't know, she's just like effervescing. You know, she's just a good word. You know, that's the song in me? How did you pick what song you're gonna sing for a moment like that? Um? That was that was requested by bys and everything. They you know, they because I haven't put a ton of music out yet, so like I'm still you as an artist and that's why you hadn't heard um. But you know, so they kind of like look through what was out and they're like, this is we think this would be great. And the song itself is the song I like wrote during covid um what kind of comes from a place of songs called Between Me and the End of the World. It's kind of a love letter to umu to My wife is a physician assistant and she's been treating people during this whole thing, is like testing people for the virus. So it's kind of been like us absolutely, I will um and so like this song is kind of like a love letter to people like that who step in kind of when things go sideways and things go bad um and so it was really specially get to play show. That's amazing. It definitely seems fitting. Um. All right, so I hear that you are down to play us a little bit of a song of your choosing. Is it going to be that one? Absolutely? Your your choices, you want us to be that one? Yeah, whatever you want, whatever you want to expose to all our listeners. I'll play this is that song called Between Me and the End of the World. It feels like the sky my fall this time, oh man news it's too close to home and the darkness dround and like ah, just who, my God, find him on my side facing all the Father Devil Canada. It's hell love thing watching you step between between me and and who. You got such a voice, Adam Hamburg. What a voice, just on the fly like that. Wow, you are amazing. I just got emotional. Wow. I don't know where can our listeners find you and download your music? Um? You can finally, I mean on all the social media Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, just at Adam Handbrig okay and uh and then of course Adam handbrig dot com and you can listen to music anywhere you get music. Thank you so much for joining us and for that beautiful serenade. You are a talented man. Thank you so much. Thanks for that, and thank you again to your wife. Yes, thank you Lauren. That guy has got a good voice. I mean, why am I coin? No? He was so good. I'm so glad that they gave him the platform to get it out there. Or did you have anything else you want to talk about as far as the episode? You know what? I need one more opinion from you on one final thing because this is something I keep thinking about. I feel we've had these guys with these incredible emotional stories, and they've shared their struggles like maybe more than any other season. I can't think of another Bachelorette season when the men have shared on this level. And I'm a big believer that, you know, we all go through things. Um, and I don't believe that your partner is there to fix you, you know, I and Tatious said that. She said, I'm not here to turn boys into men. I think that you have to come into a successful relationship is about coming in, you know, with each person largely as a whole. Okay, your your partners should improve and challenge you, but you've got to like have it together. Which of these guys do you think, given like some of the struggles they've had to go through and definitely like the emotional work they've had to do, do you think they're already for marriage or do any of them still have like personal stuff to work on. I don't know, who do you think is the most together? I think that is like the biggest question here, because I don't want to say that people who are going through things aren't ready for a relationship. That is obviously not accurate. I feel like all these guys probably have to do work on themselves. Constantly, as all of us do. UM, but some issues are bigger, you know, than others, and some problems are more recent than others. UM. And I think that you know, Ben brought up support of you know, somebody close in your life and how important that is, So that could be Tasia. She doesn't have to like make them better, you know, to be like their emotional doctor, but to be a support. The guy that I think is most together and ready, I find I feel like it might be Zack, but I guess I all Zach or Brendan. I do love Brendan. He doesn't seem to have the kind of he got divorced, you know, but everything else in his life seems to be kind of like positioned, positioning himself for marriage, you know, Zach kind of like, here's what because like my gut instinct is Zach. But there are two things that stuck out to me this episode or maybe this season. One. He said not too long ago that he's like just realized that he feels ready for marriage, like being on the show made him realize that, which I'm like, wait, is that a great thing? Or is that like too soon? I don't know? And then but him crying about making his parents, wanting his parents to see him happy. Ilore, I don't know. I agree. I agree there is that that moment really made me feel like Zach is like so ready to get married. I feel like the other guys if they'll leave this and they will have grown and like they'll have prepared themselves better for that moment that comes in their life. But I feel like Zach is ready for it now, and he'll be like the most devastated it doesn't happen with Tasia. I wanted to ask you about it, because it really is, like I said, I think this. I can't think of another season when we've seen the guys open up like this much and get this um raw and and and it's kind of this thing where you think, does this mean you, you know, have worked through all your stuff? Does this mean Taste is the perfect fit? And she's such a good listener I know. So I'm like I racking my brain every week about what the best fit for her is and I'm having such a t I know it's gonna be hard. This is going to be final ending of all. This is going to be a freaking blood bath of tears. That's what I think for this season. If she does get engaged, she's going to know these guys for I'm not even sure five weeks. And that's going to make you nervous. And I know that's paradise status. You know, paradise you get engaged after like three and a half weeks. But with paradise you get to spend each waking moment and night. If you choose with this person in this case, you know she's going to have I know, we talked about Clarien Dale speeding through things, but we're still We're still going eighty miles, just crying along the way, all right, Lauren. So we talked a lot about Tatia's personal life. Now it's time for me to grill you on your personal life. Let's go. Okay, fine, if I get to talk about Tatia's I gotta be able to talk about okay, cool. I mean we've all done us um. Okay, So you and Chris you did interviews before you were dating? Yes? When was there was there always like a sense of attraction, flirtation, chemistry between you guys? Know, like when did it turn? You know, it's so funny I I would be interviewing him. I mean I've been I've been an ETA for five years this year, and the first couple of years I would be interviewing him, and my friends, like my friends from home, like my college friends would actually be like, is Chris Harrison as hot in person as he sits on the show, And I was like, he's fine, Dad, I don't know you were also married at that point. I was married at that point. I I you know, there was no I was just I was also always so focused on doing my job, you know. I mean, Chris is a very as you know you've interviewed him. He's a very good interview He really knows how as he says to like Bob, and we've also gives great sound bites. So I would be so focused going into interview him, even when I was single. I would be so focused on getting a good answer that I was like not even really looking into those baby blue eyes and then thinking about anything. Um. And then everything changed when I think it was at a paradise tell all, we literally ran into each other at craft services, like I was going to get coffee, he was getting tea. Because you know those tell all tapings are like nine hours long, are often freezing in those warehouses, been there together. We're on a studio set where I've passed out advil at those tells before to everybody because you get a headache from everyone screaming at each other. Um. So we ran into each other and had what we now call like our first human conversation. It was the first time we'd ever spoken outside of an interview setting, and we just kind of talked about life and like somehow, I don't remember how, but it came out very quickly that we were both single. And then I slid into his d M s on Twitter and said, Hey, it was so good to see you the other day, because I was sort of like, was he flirting with me? And he sort of sliding in the d M When you guys are both single, it's flirting. I feel well, I couldn't tell if he was flirting with me in person, so then I was like, let me flirt for real and see if you're flogged. I believe in opening the door and if somebody walks through, that's great, and if not, you know, I just keep on going down the hallway. Okay. So he sent that out and how do you respond? Um. Then things got Then it became clear to me very quickly. You know, it was like, let's he did a great thing which I think everyone needs to do, which is he said, hey, let's like exchange numbers and you know, get this off of the d M s UM. And he very quickly said, let's get a drink together. And again I'm like, because to me, I think it's so dangerous when you keep messaging like I don't know, in dating apps and all that, like you got to make it a real interaction. UM. And he's old school like that, which I think is great. So then we just had one of these as drinks where we truly like talked for three hours and he right away like texted me, hey, it was great seeing you, and I like, when can I take you out again? And fantastic Chris. I'm so proud. He's such a good data. He's really learned being Okay, Well, so what did you do before your republic? You went six months hiding your relationship, as I find to be very respectable and normal, but you still did interviews with him during that six month period. How did you hide it? I did? Honestly, it was kind of fun. I don't know, it was kind of like and the reason that we didn't go public with it, truly was because we were both just like, look, this is going well, but I don't want this to become a thing that affects you know, my job or his job if it if it doesn't stick, so um, we just want to make sure we were serious before it went public. Um. And it was sort of fun because we would be like, I'd see him in interviews and I again I was there. I'm like, I gotta do my job and ask all the questions I need to ask, um, and then it would kind of be like, all right, well, I'll see. It was kind of a fun secret. Sometimes it's fun now, you know, sometimes a little Yeah, it was. We were a little like, um kind of had a little fun around town. It was fun. Well, it was very fun when we were down in Camcoon together doing something for entertainment tonight and you were saying, you let us in that it was a high profile person that you were dating. But you but we had to play a guest and game us to who it was, and we did guess Chris and he did a great job maneuvering our thought process away from that. You didn't know, did you really believe me that it wasn't him. Yeah, I really I really did. Wow, Oh my god, I feel I'm I'm feeling confident right now. Thank you for that. People want to know if you're dating the most you know the face of this Roman Anti franchise. What is the most romantic thing Chris has ever done for you? Oh, besides texting you immediately after your first date, because today's date age. I have to tell you. He likes does it all? I mean? And I'm not, I don't know, I'm not. He really is like a he loves to surprise me. He's a big gesture person. Um, he's like taking me on the helicopter date. We helicopter um to Santorini in Greece. Um. He uh, he got He did get me last year on my birthday. He I thought we were driving somewhere and we did have a small private plane moment that was pretty romantic Bachelor dates. I mean, it's like, I don't know if that's disappointing or exciting for people to hear, but he really does do like the Bachelor dates like it's real and it's kind of i'd boggling. Um, but he does stuff like that and he always Oh my god, when he gets me flowers, it's almost like they're the biggest, most insane flowers and I don't even know how to respond to them. Like he really does all those things. How did you know? I was just gonna ask, has he ever bought you roses? I mean, you know what. I what I love is that and roses were actually for me. Um My dad used to get me roses growing up, so like they're my favorite flower. They always have been. And I love that. You know, Chris just loves It's like you can't go wrong with roses. They're classic. I love them, He loves them, We all love them. So yeah, big big, big bunch of roses. Um. You know what, though, I have to say, it's also like those little things. I mean, on our he's really a you know, we all have our love languages, as they like did on the show this season. Chris is really a words of affirmation person. And on our two year anniversary, I did not I don't know. I had no idea like what he was gonna get me, what we would do, because he was gone, I for he was keen to us. We went together and I woke up and I had in my email inbox this like two page letter from him, Chris, and it was just all about like how loving me had changed his life and how happy he was, and I just like read it through tears. It was I will you know what, that was the most romantic thing, honestly because I had never had someone touched me with words like that before. And um, I think probably you know, we all grew up being like you want the Princess moments where they do these things, and it was the most little thing for him to just write from the heart. But I don't know, I was like, I feel like I'm in another time where people write letters like some pride and prejudice crap. And it was really really, really beautiful. So yeah, yeah, wow, am I going to cry on the almost famous podcast? Oh my god? Those are our favorite moments. I was gonna ask you, did you have expectations with this guy who's just, you know, again the face of the franchise, like he's supposed to be romantic. Did you assume he would be romantic and would have picked up things from the show, or did you feel like, oh, this is just gonna be a regular guy Chris from the you know this from the instant you meet him, he gives off like this classic old Hollywood energy, you know, he's like from Texas. He's like a man, and I mean that in the best ways of like sort of this old school even though he completely champions me as this independent career woman and he just like is my biggest cheerleader in all those ways. He's also like, I will make you feel taken care of in every way, and I so I never even like, was never a question for me. I think from that first date when he's you know, texted me right away, Hey, are you home safe? I had an amazing time tonight, like and I'd love to take you out as soon as possible. Again, I'm like, oh, this guy's not messing around, you know. This guy's like actually, I don't know if I've ever said this. There was when we first started dating. It was weird timing. I had gone out on a couple of dates with this other guy and I told Chris right away. I was like, look, I was kind of like dating this other guy and I don't know where, you know, I don't know. I kind of like him and like I want to take this slow. And he said to me, okay, yeah, no, like figure that out and gone dates with whoever you want, and like when you and hopefully if you realize that I'm the guy for you, I'm not dating anyone else, and I'm right here. And I was like, damn, damn, Chris Harris said, living up to all the expectations and fantasies, it's almost upsetting. It's almost like, Okay, keep being perfect. But I love what you said about his old Hollywood energy. He certainly has that. You know. He's like he wears a watch and a suit and he's like, I'm going to do things right. I don't know. There's something about that. And it's a sexy vine. It's a Richard gear Esk kind of a thing. Got a swag. He's got a swag, and he is so much more intelligent that people would even think. It's so much more talented, and his job is far more difficult than people think it is. He makes it look easy. That's how you know he's one of the greats. You know, he really makes it look easy, like I always think. I kept thinking, you know that that moment when he was sitting down with Claire and Dale and he said, what's next for you guys? And Dale started to answer and then Claire said babies and Dale kept talking and Chris said, oh, wait, like Dale, she said, you know, And I just thought he such a good interviewer. You know, he like listens, he calls people out in the right ways. He's great at it. Wait, now, if you ever revealed what the most romantic thing Jared has done for you is? Like, now, I want to know because I love you guys together so much. Sorry, I can't be somewhere and not interview someone. Oh it's okay, So I think I think the most romantic it was actually before we were together, but like during that year of complete confusion for me, in between Bade and Paradise seasons. So it was my birthday, So the first birthday that we knew each other, he sent roses to my apartment and it's like the note said like the Corey. It was like sincerely, like the Corey to your topanga and it was like a really cute note. Oh and he knew you'd love that, I know. And then he goes like, but that's not your own. This is not your only gift, and he's like, you'll get your your real gift later tonight. And that's when he like recreated the Backstreet Boys music video uh Me. And it was just like so funny because well it wasn't funny, it was romantic because I knew how much effort he had to put into that and like how he had to have his roommate follow him around like do all the moves and the mouth the words and you know, edit the whole thing together, and it was just like you could tell it was a project. It's the effort. For me, it with anything. I'm like, whether it's you're writing a letter or giving someone a gift, what's the effort behind it? And what I love about that is that Jared did what he knew would make it was you personal. That's always such a difference to me in a gift. I'm like, ladies, gentlemen, whoever look at if someone's getting you, like an expensive gift or something. I mean, okay, great, but like, are they getting you a gift they know you will love or they just trying to make a show of giving the gift. It's such a key distinction. And Corey to Panga Backstreet Boys, Jared is always embraced and loved exactly who you are, which is why seeing you guys so happy together it makes me so happy because you know how real it is. Thank you Now now that you say this, now I have to spring up something else he did that year. Sorry, sorry guy. The producers are probably like, actually, move on, move on. Um okay. So this was a couple of months before that gesture, and this was when we were just starting to become honestly like friends because getting off the show it was weird because it was just weird. And then we're at that fall. We got close and we were like having glimpsed, like there were the glimmers, you know, and there were the flirtations. And we had gone to this club lounge thing in in l A with Nick JJ and one of Nick's friends, and I was the only girl amongst the bunch, was like trying to fit in with the boys, right, And we were leaving this place, there was a like a vendor somebody handing out single roses outside as we waited for Uber to come, and I joked about I was like, Jared, you so owe me one of those roses, and he felt really bad because he didn't have any cash on him, so he didn't end up getting it for me. And then a couple of days later, he said, um, like what's your address, or like except expect something in the mail, because like just expect something to the mail. I'm like okay, And like he kept checking in like did it come? Did it come? And it never ended up coming. I was like I didn't. I still think it your special surprise whatever. And then he wrote me this long monol like monologue. I call it a monologue. It wasn't read. It was a long text and so theatrical. I love it, and in it it said like so many sweet sweet things, and but the bottom line of it was I sent you. The surprise gift was I sent you a dozen roses because I really wanted to buy you that rose that night. But you deserve more than just a rose. You deserve more than a dozen roses. Blah blah blah blah. And I was like, so everybody who thought I was wild on paradise like stick our second go around, Like now understands the thing is, you know, as you guys are the story. It took a minute, but then once it happened, it happened. And as we stay on TikTok one of my favorite TikTok sounds. If he wanted to he would yeah, and Jared did yeah, yes, yes, all right, now it's time to talk about other members of Bachelor Nation besides ourselves. I'm gonna call you an honorary Bachelor Nation member. Do you agree with that? Come on, yeah, I don't know what else I would be, so yes, I will say that I'm sort of an indoctrinated I guess it's kind of like sometimes people think I've been on the show is funny. I'm also like, you just give it a quick Google, you'll see that's the case. I think there are a couple of friends of the show that feel that way, you know. I feel like Matt James was before he was actually on the show. I feel like Tanya rad With with her relationship with with a lot of Bachelor Nation, is like that as well. So before we get into bachelor headlines, I just want to, you know, bring up the obvious. The holidays are here and you gotta get a lot of gifts. You know, there's friends, families, but paying for them it can actually wait. Like you have to get the presents in a timely matter, but paying for them can wait. And with a firm you can pay over time. At thousands of stores like Walmart, Pottery, Barn, Casper, Sleep, Posh, Mark and Price Line and more. 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He is an incredibly difficult man to buy for. No, he like has golf, everything, gets everything. I don't know. Offline you manage to give some good ideas. I don't know. I really try to make stuff personal, Like for his birthday this year. He loves the band You Too, So I went on eBay and I found there a pamphlet from their first concert that he ever went to on the Josh before n I framed that. And now I'm really out of ideas. I don't know, so are so we gotta come up with something. Let's offline, Okay, all right, we will, we will, all right. But you guys, if you are thinking about what to get for Christmas and your stress about the money, definitely try out affirm dot com slash famous. It can help you delay the payments of those gifts that you want to give. Our first headline this week is Tasia Adams waited to have sex before her first marriage. She said this is She says she's not gonna do it again. She says, this is something that you have to explore. No, I actually think this is interesting because I mean, you know people. I mean like there's there's me, there's so many, There's Maddie and then there's Colton, who whose season she was on. And it's interesting that this didn't come up during Colton's season. She never said, you know, I get waiting. I waited for my first marriage. Actually her first marriage was to her first boyfriend too, so that is such a good point. Wow, that really would have been something for them to connect on. I know, I know. But she does say now that she's she's not gonna do it again. She thinks that that kind of intimacy is something that you should explore before locking it down. I agree. But how do you feel I respected both decisions? Uh? Yeah, Like, if you want to wait, I think you should wait. Um, but if you don't, I think that it's Honestly, I think it depends on the person. I think it depends on how important that is to you, And like obviously if you're waiting, you don't even know how important it would be to you. Totally depends on the person. I also think it depends on the life place during the age you're at. Honestly, totally, I totally, I completely see how Um. I think there's something about often when you at least with what I've seen from my friends because I grew up in the Midwest and a lot of people I know got married younger, like, including myself, um now divorced, but it's fine. Um So I think that when you get married younger, like, you can in many ways sort of like grow up with that person and that can really work. Or you know, sometimes you grow apart and you're like, oh wait, we didn't know who we were yet. But I completely understand when if you get married really young, especially like and that's an important conviction to you, it that can work out great and it can be fine, and it can be something really special and beautiful that you share with that person. I do know a couple of people who are like truly in their thirties and like still waiting, and I'm like, you might want to just yeah dive. In My take on this is that it's totally up to the person, and it's totally up to the person's beliefs. If you want to wait, fantastic. If you don't want to wait, I'm cool with that too. It doesn't even matter what I think. It matters what you think and how you want to live your life and go through your relationship. So right now, Tasia does not want to wait to have sex until after marriage. Again, well, maybe she's learned from her first experience that for her, it's something she needs to know about. She's like, I, I, actually, I've realized this is really important to me, and I've got to have that level of intimacy to know. I understand that when you've been divorced, you're like, wait, I really I really really want to make sure I'm good before I get married again. Like that's something you go into relationships with. I think, like we saw on that wedding dress date with her and Zach, you could tell she was like, this is triggering for me, this is furious for me. So I think it's it seems to be about that she like takes marriage very seriously and wants to really feel good about the person in every respect before she would get married again. Yeah, I alwayusly got Jessica Simpson and how she waited with Nicholas and then like afterward she was like, I wouldn't do that again, and she was she was taking up being John Mayer's sexual napom and all that kind of Hollywood interview. And I Our next headline is the release of Matt James Is Season press release. Okay, so in this press release I'm going through there's a couple of things that are worthy of noting. For you guys. There are thirty two girls that come out the limo on night one, and that seems to becoming more of the norm that we're getting an number around thirty. Now it looks as if he eliminates it down to twenty four women at that first Rose ceremony on night one, So that was a big chunk. Eight girls out. Bye, that's rough. I feel bad for them. What do you think of his tagline? That was? I think that was the next thing I wanted to talk about that I am not down, so that you're not you guys, the tag line for this season is a Matt made in Heaven. I mean, I get that we try to be punny, but a Matt made in heaven. A Matt I mean, oh oh no, I'm getting Oh my god, wait, where you not getting it? Oh my god? Okay, no, I was getting like a match made in heaven. Okay, right, So I was getting a match made in heaven, and then I was like a Matt as in heat. See when I think of the word Matt in that sentence, thinking of like a carpet, like a bath, like a bath mat. Oh my God, I can't that was going to be on his poster, A Matt made in Heaven. Okay, yeah, okay, because he is like, he looks like he's made in heaven. Oh my god. Wow, talk about being slow today maybe every day. Wow, I'm so embarrassed. Now it all makes sense. I'm like a Matt made in like speaking of Jessica Simpson was this year. This is it. I was here for it. I feel honored. Oh my goodness. Okay, well there you go. All right, So now how do you feel about a mat made in happen? Now? I think it's cute because I met Matt and I think that he had he has made in heaven. I think he's a fantastic, fantastic choices bachelor. Love his vibes. He's like six eight I entered. So what's weird is I interviewed him literally before it might have been the day before it was supposed to be Claire's Night one, when it was like, you know, that weird week in March. He was like, oh my god, is everything shutting down? So entertainment tonight. We go and do interviews on the set at different points during the season, and I interviewed Matt like as a contestant on clear scene, that's right because you have yeah, yeah that so like clips from the video or up on my Instagram. Still, it's so weird now because I actually asked him in the interview, which well, if it doesn't work, how clear would you have to be the Bachelor? But like how did he say it? I think he said, you know, a solid answer, which is like, look, I hope it works out with Claire. I mean, she seems amazing. So he's very but I had never met him or talked to him before. I just heard about him through Tyler obviously, and he um, he was he had great answers for things like he was a great interview. It made me feel really confident about him as the Bachelor. Um and I love the tagline because I do think I think the Bachelor nation has gotten to know him through Tyler, and I feel like people look at him is like this great guy, Like I mean, we're gonna watch the whole season unfold, but right now, I think people look at him and they're like, he seems like awesome, just you know, he seems like making me way. He's way swoonier and of life, and he was in the quarantine house. He was like a bro in the quarantine house. Oh yeah, the quarantine crew, Tyler and all them like dancing in the yard. Yeah. I think it helps to have I mean this promo when you put a suit on a man and he's like tugging at the tie like that. It's a lot of great visuals. He looks great, great great photo. And also I want to go back to the thirty two girls. Actually this is the first is a record breaking year. Thirty two never had that many on opening night. But it doesn't seem like, oh it's twenty four, continue on, so I feel like that is a pretty normal number. Okay, So our next headline is Beca Martinez thinks that Claire Curly and Dale Moss were almost coursed into getting engaged. She thinks that there was too much pressure on them. She says, quote, I would not be happy if I were her. It just felt like there was a lot of spinning of what happened to make her lee you. I mean, it was just so obvious as a viewer at the very end that the two of them were almost coerced into getting engaged. It seems like they really love each other, but that was bizarre, and I would be upset as a lead to be pretty piste off because you you sort of shortened me a season that was supposed to be mine. But you know, at the end of the day, I have to give it to Claire because she seems like she was really there for the right reasons. What do you think about that? I don't I don't know. I know that there are telling people to be upset. I'm like, like her saying, if I were her, I'd I'd be pissed or what it was the other thing she said, if I were her, I wouldn't be happy like Claire's happy. I mean, if there's one thing we've heard from Claire herself, it's that she's super in love, super happy. Dale is her person and I quote Dale and her met on another realm, in another life. He is the guy for her and she has found everything she wants. So I'm like, why are we telling her to not Why are we telling her to be frustrated when she's so happy? And in addition to that, like I know that there were rumors about like her them, you know, like the way that she was like forced out of being the Bachelor writer whatnot but watching that episode, that final episode, there is nothing that makes me think that she just seemed like she wanted to get out of there with Dale, no other factors. She said that herself, and I think the lines that always stuck out to me actually from what she said, even more than when she was saying I just want to be with you know, we start saying I just want to be with Dale, you know. But then when Chris, Chris asked her something about the next step is a or do you want a proposal? And I think she said, that's the dumbest question you've ever asked me? Yes, And I just thought, Okay, yeah, she's she's she's thinking, how could anyone think I don't want this? I don't know, so I don't know. You know. Claire said many times she was at the age where she knew exactly what she wanted and she was tired of waiting. So Claire seems happy, and I said, go be happy, Claire and I have I don't like telling people to be unhappy. Well, we got some happy news here. Chris Lane and Lauren Bushnell are expecting their first child. She talked on Instagram about how absolutely thrilled they are. She says a dream, except I'm not dreaming, I'm wide awake as she has, you know a picture of the sonogram, she says, watching you dance around my belly, listening to your little heart, um, your little harpie, my new favorite sound, a miracle, new life are sweet baby, thank you Jesus um. And then I know that Chris Lane said I hope you look like your mama, which is super cute, And of course Ben was quick to respond on Instagram saying that this congrats, what a thing to celebrate. So um happiness already happy news. Yes, I love some happy news in and a baby is always a blessing. And I just feel like Lauren has um I don't know she's she's just really I think found like her and Christine have so much fun together. I feel like you can see that on Instagram, and um, I don't it seems like they're just really building this beautiful life together. I don't have to say about them like this is great. Great. She was open a couple of months ago about like their struggles to have a child, like I don't we don't know how long they were trying, but you know, it just seemed to not be as easy as she was hoping for it to be. So we're really happy to hear that she's pregnant, and you know she's she's pretty pretty far along to be comfortable enough to talk about it. All right. Yeah, so another baby news Chris. Crystal Neilsen says it was scary finding out she was pregnant while she was still legally married to Chris. Uh. Nothing more really to collaborate here, but but that is, um, that's some stressful stuff right there, right. I mean the time thing and all this stuff about them coming out too has been crazy, right because I think it was like Chris ran done and just come back on Instagram and like a matter of hours later, Crystal announced she was pregnant, which it very much seemed like she'd been working on that announcement for a while because she had a whole video to go and ready to go and everything. I was just like this like that. I don't know, I was. It's a lot to process. I know, it's the way it's played out publicly has made it like it's sort of it's a lot to process. It's just hard because you want to be happy for her, and you are happy for her, but like you're also sad for him, and he just like it keeps, he just keeps getting hit down, you know, just like with the first of the boyfriend and then the baby news is just like a guy I can't come up for air. So you know, yeah, I know, I I wish them both the best. I think I entered. I did like a big interview with them once, and they had talked about Crystal and Chris about how they've been like literally two couples like days long couples retreats together to do very deep there because he has heard about these Yes, so I think that I'm just like whatever, you know, they've both been through a lot in their lives and whatever you guys, like if you found happiness, like cling on to that. You know. I hope that Chris ran don't find somebody to me too. From one Bachelor divorce to the longest Bachelor marriage, Trista and Ryan Sutter celebrated seventeen years of marriage this week. That's incredible, canfully the show has got on for seventeen plus years and it's so cool to have a success story. Like there's like and then what a horrible time though, I feel so bad he's continuing to battle this mystery illness. They don't know what is what's going on with with poor Ryan. Um, but this is a truly in sickness and health moment. And I know that they've been like tons of people have been offering them potential solutions, and I think that in itself is probably stressful, like trying to field it all and and um, they are just you know, they're one of those couples that I think did the brilliant thing right where they said, like, we're going to embrace and love the way we met. We loved the show, like we love all the opportunities from it, but we're also going to like go live a normal life together. And they really have. You know, they take their kids to hockey practice and he's a firefighter and they are they've just like have I think, really found success in like building that real real life together. They're they're the gold standard of that for me. No, I love it. I'm gonna be honest, guys, don't have a transition from a seventeen year old marriage to Tyler Cameron's new merch line of sweatshirts covered with a shirtless photo of him. Yeah, so this was gonna be weird. I'm going to be honest. I'm super nice to everyone usually, right this merch line. Don't really like it. I I think it's weird. I wouldn't wear it. I will say that I don't. I don't think I would wear it. Um. I think I'm looking at his instagram now. The first it's very interesting to see someone wear themselves on a shirt. It's not something you just like see very often exactly. It's a little self indulgent for me. I think all social media is self indulgent. All of us are kind of like, look at my life, Look what I'm doing, Look how pretty I am, and all that stuff. But it crosses the line when you take the shirtless photo of yourself and then you wear it. Well, the second photo, he's totally naked. He's just holding a pie over his area on the second sweatshirt, and then Matt James is like, photo you wow, maybe it's a pizza. I can't really tell. Um. Yeah, I you know what. On the one hand, know your brand, do what works for you? Certainly on brand um the shirtless stuff, yes, and uh, and I'll be interested to see what happens. They also it's such it's a lot to take in because also in this merch line is names Cameron one like as if it's like their president and vice president like ticket together, And I'm like, I don't know, you know, I would not vote for Tyler and Matt for president vice president all my love, but I would not, And I don't think I would wear shirtless Tyler Cameron sweatshirt. But I do wish him the best with the product. Now see, there there might be an audience for this. I understand that you. I think it's not us. That's not us. Um. I think that a lot of girls do want a shirtless selfish I think that a lot of girls do want a shirtless photo of Tyler on their chest on their sweatshirt. But I also don't know if I love the fact that he's like pulling Matt in on all of this, Like it's kind of like he's trying to tag along with his bachelor Matt. But I know that Matt could even about Yeah, yeah, you know you're tag team in it. Okay, I think you're right. This goes back to what you and I were talking about earlier, like how far do we go with like saying that we find the guys of the franchise attractive or whatever. If you want to wear Tyler Camera shirtless on your body, great, Tyler is a hot guy. I will not be wearing a photo of Tyler Camera shirtless on my first agreed. Okay, so we have two emails that we want to hit before we wrap up. Lauren, Lauren, thank you for dedicating so much time to this today. Really really thank you for our first emails. From Cora, she said, this is a response to your feelings about Ben getting naked on the date. I think that at first it seems a little weird because we don't know how how this is letting him this is him letting his guard down. But when we learn about his eating disorder, I think it all came together and it made sense for me. He had the strength to bear it all and be proud of the body that he has. I don't think what he did on the date was weird when you look at the big picture. Totally agree. Now, Cora, Ben and I both apologize for not bringing up the Bulimia conversation last week. We don't know how that slipped our mind. I do you know, multiple recaps throughout the week on different platforms, and I approached on everything else. For some reason, we've slipped our mind here, and that was a very important conversation to have. Super Brave of him, as we talked about earlier in the show, especially as a man talking about UM, an eating disorder, which is actually very common. It's it's not very common, but it's actually more common than you would think. I did look up stats last week and there's over a million men in the country, like per year that are suffering from an eating disorder UM. And yes, I do think that body image and how where he is with it now does tie back to him stripping down on that date, So it it may be a little bit, a little bit out of the norm, but I do think it makes way more sense now in context, and we should have talked about that last week. I'm so interested to know also, how much like like, if Ben had shared that with the other guys m because we saw him tell it to Tasia and private. And I'm not saying he should have. I'm just interested to know because if they didn't know that, I would understand how the other guys would look at him stripping down and be like kind of like, you know, kind of like wearing a shirt was photo, and it's like, oh, that's a little self indulge in bro like just getting naked. But then yeah, when you look at it with that additional context from him and the sharing, like it probably was that I'm projecting my thoughts on him or which I don't mean to, but I can't imagine that it was easy. It seemed like to him it was a vulnerable moment to do that, so it became really powerful as you watched the whole narrative unfold totally, and like, his body isn't something obviously that he's always been proud and confident and comfortable in, So he really was bearing himself there, all right. Our other email is from Joanna and she said, I noticed during this season during cocktail parties after group dates, the guys have been dressing fairly casual, while Tasia has been all dressed up very nicely. It's driving me nuts. Has anybody else noticed this? So I think my excuse for this, and yeah, I guess I'm excusing the guys is that Tassia gets to wear you know, sleeveless, strap less short dresses. It's you know, it's freaking hot, and a girl, yeah, a girl can dress the Nines when it's hot, but guys having to wear, you know, a long sleeve shirt and then a suit on top of it with pants. Oh my gosh, guys, the heat that we felt down there was unlike anything I've ever experienced. It's truly like being in a sauna. It was a hundred and fifteen degrees when I was there. So, yeah, Lauren, you have more to elaborate on this. Well, what Chris would tell me too was that also, like at night, there was no relief for them, like there's not in California usually at night there's no humidity and it like cools down a lot at night. He was like, no, in the desert in the summer, it was still so hot at night, and yeah, what are the guys going to wear a tank top? Like? They don't have a lot of options. Because I asked him, I'm like, I feel like these guys are in white T shirts every minute? Did they pack wrong? And you guys did to go and get them some white T shirts to wear? And he said no, it was just you know, usually see the guys in the collared shirts. It was way too hot. And then obviously on TV, you can't wear T shirts with like logos, you know, so they just all keep ending up in these like just basic white T shirts so that they don't look too messy but that they can actually function enough on you, guys, I wish you could have experienced the heat and and how it felt feels at night to still it's like it cools down a bit, but it's still pretty hard to breathe out there. Blessed, we blessed. We thank everyone for going out and filming this show on the service of the Sun and bringing it to us the viewers. We thank them. We are so grateful for them for giving us some fresh content. And there's so many people behind the scenes on the show, like, thank you guys, you did an amazing job. And so many of them couldn't see their families, you know, quarantine down there for months. Oh right, well, Lauren Zeema Elzie fantastic co host. Thank you so much for joining me. It's been a pleasure. I love breaking it down with you. Um you've got you know, got great insight girl, Ashley I Ken Eddie, thank you for having me. We missed, Ben Higgins and Um I have just so appreciated this. What a treat. Um. If you guys, don't follow me. I am at Lauren Zema and please check out Roses and Rose, which is my Bachelor Bachelotte recap with you Seawan Entertainment Tonight's YouTube channel. Um and Ashley, thank you so much. I'm so happy. All right now, I want you to follow our lead. We make all of our guests signed off with us like this. It's a little bit harder to catch on since Ben's not here, but this is how we say our goodbyes. Thanks for joining us, guys here On the Almost inst podcast, I've Been Ashley, I've Been Lauren Zena. There you go Okay by Lauren, Thank you bye. Followed the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on I our Radio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.

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