Do they sell ICBMs? Does that work?

Do they sell ICBMs? Does that work?

Yeah?

Yeah?

You gotta tell us a story that I want to know who.

You gotta tell us a story that I want to know who.

Anything in Russia?

Anything in Russia?

And what do you tell your friends? Yeah, listen, I'm going to rush a device and mice.

And what do you tell your friends? Yeah, listen, I'm going to rush a device and mice.

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Yes, you are listening to a forty seven Morning Update exclusive with Ben Ferguson. Good Wednesday morning, Ben Ferguson, with you. It's so nice to have you on the forty seven Morning Update. And this morning is part two of the sit down interview that I was a part of with Elon Musk. This part of the interview you're gonna love because we talk about the astronauts that were caught as political prisoners in outer space. As you know, the astronauts stuck in space for nine months after what was supposed to be a simple eight day mission. Well they're finally home. Why because of Elon Musk in space x. So here is part two of that interview with Elon Musk.

What does man first set foot on Mars?

What does man first set foot on Mars?

I think the soonest would be twenty nine, twenty nine, yes, and I don't think it's more than two to four years beyond that.

I think the soonest would be twenty nine, twenty nine, yes, and I don't think it's more than two to four years beyond that.

And that's not an unman, that's that's a human being. Putting his foot on the surface.

And that's not an unman, that's that's a human being. Putting his foot on the surface.

Yes, best case would be twenty nine.

Yes, best case would be twenty nine.

And what do you what do you put the odds of finding either alien life or evidence of alien life.

And what do you what do you put the odds of finding either alien life or evidence of alien life.

I don't think we're going to find aliens, okay, but do.

I don't think we're going to find aliens, okay, but do.

We find ruins? Do we find remnants?

We find ruins? Do we find remnants?

We may We may find the ruins of a long dead alien civilization, that's possible. And we may find subterranean microbial life.

We may We may find the ruins of a long dead alien civilization, that's possible. And we may find subterranean microbial life.

That's possible.

That's possible.

All right. If man lands on Mars in twenty nine, how soon after that do you land on Mars?

All right. If man lands on Mars in twenty nine, how soon after that do you land on Mars?

It remains to be seen. I'm not sure.

It remains to be seen. I'm not sure.

The important thing is that are we uh both a self sustaining city on Mars as quickly as possible. The key threshold is when that city can't continue to grow, continue to prosper, even when the supply ships from Earth stop coming. At that point, even if something would happen on Earth, it might, it might. It might not be World War three, but it might be that.

The important thing is that are we uh both a self sustaining city on Mars as quickly as possible. The key threshold is when that city can't continue to grow, continue to prosper, even when the supply ships from Earth stop coming. At that point, even if something would happen on Earth, it might, it might. It might not be World War three, but it might be that.

A bad virus.

A bad virus.

Yeah, it might not be anything. For those things.

Yeah, it might not be anything. For those things.

It's like like like say, civilization, you could die with a bang or a whimper. It may be that civilization dies with a whimper rather than a bang or and simply loses the ability to send ships to Mars. But so you obviously need Mars to become self sustaining and be able to grow by itself before the resupply ships from Earth stopped coming. That that is the critical a civilizational threshold beyond which the probable life span of civilization is much greater.

It's like like like say, civilization, you could die with a bang or a whimper. It may be that civilization dies with a whimper rather than a bang or and simply loses the ability to send ships to Mars. But so you obviously need Mars to become self sustaining and be able to grow by itself before the resupply ships from Earth stopped coming. That that is the critical a civilizational threshold beyond which the probable life span of civilization is much greater.

And how close are we technologically to be able to do that, to have a self sustaining settlement on the surface of Mars.

And how close are we technologically to be able to do that, to have a self sustaining settlement on the surface of Mars.

I think it can be done in twenty years.

I think it can be done in twenty years.

How do you turn PayPal into the success it was, which then helped launch you to the next one and the next one.

How do you turn PayPal into the success it was, which then helped launch you to the next one and the next one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I studied physics and economics and college. She's a good foundation for understanding how the economy works and how reality works. And then I was going to do a PhD at Stanford in advanced ultra capacitors actually as a potential means of energy storage for electric transport. Put that on hold to start an Internet company. Essentially came to the conclusion that the Internet was one of those rare things and I could either watch it happen while a grad student or participate. And I figured I've always go to act to grad school you know, grad school is going to be kind of the same. But I couldn't rather thought of just watching the Internet happen, so I wanted to be a part of building it. So I created an Internet Internet company. We did the first maps, directions, yellow pages, white pages on the Internet. I actually wrote the first version of software just by myself in ninety five, and we ended up selling that to Compact Texas company I guess YEP for about three hundred million dollars in cash about four years after I graduated. Wow, So I should say just to preface that I graduated with about one hundred thousand dollars a student debt.

So I studied physics and economics and college. She's a good foundation for understanding how the economy works and how reality works. And then I was going to do a PhD at Stanford in advanced ultra capacitors actually as a potential means of energy storage for electric transport. Put that on hold to start an Internet company. Essentially came to the conclusion that the Internet was one of those rare things and I could either watch it happen while a grad student or participate. And I figured I've always go to act to grad school you know, grad school is going to be kind of the same. But I couldn't rather thought of just watching the Internet happen, so I wanted to be a part of building it. So I created an Internet Internet company. We did the first maps, directions, yellow pages, white pages on the Internet. I actually wrote the first version of software just by myself in ninety five, and we ended up selling that to Compact Texas company I guess YEP for about three hundred million dollars in cash about four years after I graduated. Wow, So I should say just to preface that I graduated with about one hundred thousand dollars a student debt.

So it wasn't yeah you and me both yeah, yeah, where right? I know?

So it wasn't yeah you and me both yeah, yeah, where right? I know?

And when I first arrived in North America, I arrived with twenty five hundred dollars, a bag of books and a bag of clothes.

And when I first arrived in North America, I arrived with twenty five hundred dollars, a bag of books and a bag of clothes.

All right.

All right.

So two thousand and two you start SpaceX, Like, how do you start a rocket compan Like what's the first day where you're like, I want to make rockets and I want to go to Mars? Like what do you do on day one?

So two thousand and two you start SpaceX, Like, how do you start a rocket compan Like what's the first day where you're like, I want to make rockets and I want to go to Mars? Like what do you do on day one?

So I think you have to start with a some sort of philosophical premise in order to have in order for the in order to be in order to be highly motivated, you have to have some.

So I think you have to start with a some sort of philosophical premise in order to have in order for the in order to be in order to be highly motivated, you have to have some.

Philosophical foundation. In my case, it was.

Philosophical foundation. In my case, it was.

That that we want to expand the scale, the scope and scale of consciousness to better understand the nature of the universe. And in order to expand scale, expand consciousness, we need to go beyond one planet. If for one planet there's there's too much risk. You know, hopefully Earth civilization prospers very far into the future, but it may not. There's always some risk that we are we self annihilate through nuclear war, or that there's a big meter that takes us out like the dinosaurs. Ye, there's always some risk if all your eggit are in one basket. So it's going to be better if we're a multiplanet species. And then once we're a multiplanet species, that the next step would be to be a multi stellar and have a civilization on many different star systems. So in two thousand and one, I didn't think that I could I didn't think I could sell a rock company, so I thought I'd take some of the money from PayPal. In that case, I think was about one hundred and eighty million dollars after tax something like that, and I thought, you know, I don't need one hundred and eighty million dollars, so I'll spend a bunch of it on a philanthropic Mars mission to get the public excited about going back to Mars. We're going to Mars, I should say. Yeah, Mars was always going to be the destination after the Moon. Right. In fact, if you told people in nineteen sixty nine that it would be twenty twenty five and we've not even gone back to the Moon, let alone, it's hard to believe, let alone Mars, they'd be like what happened in the civilization collapse top, Yeah, like they would be incomprehensible that we've not been to Mars. By now, if you told people listen, after landing on the Moon in sixty nine.

That that we want to expand the scale, the scope and scale of consciousness to better understand the nature of the universe. And in order to expand scale, expand consciousness, we need to go beyond one planet. If for one planet there's there's too much risk. You know, hopefully Earth civilization prospers very far into the future, but it may not. There's always some risk that we are we self annihilate through nuclear war, or that there's a big meter that takes us out like the dinosaurs. Ye, there's always some risk if all your eggit are in one basket. So it's going to be better if we're a multiplanet species. And then once we're a multiplanet species, that the next step would be to be a multi stellar and have a civilization on many different star systems. So in two thousand and one, I didn't think that I could I didn't think I could sell a rock company, so I thought I'd take some of the money from PayPal. In that case, I think was about one hundred and eighty million dollars after tax something like that, and I thought, you know, I don't need one hundred and eighty million dollars, so I'll spend a bunch of it on a philanthropic Mars mission to get the public excited about going back to Mars. We're going to Mars, I should say. Yeah, Mars was always going to be the destination after the Moon. Right. In fact, if you told people in nineteen sixty nine that it would be twenty twenty five and we've not even gone back to the Moon, let alone, it's hard to believe, let alone Mars, they'd be like what happened in the civilization collapse top, Yeah, like they would be incomprehensible that we've not been to Mars. By now, if you told people listen, after landing on the Moon in sixty nine.

What do you think in fifty years America never went back to the Moon.

What do you think in fifty years America never went back to the Moon.

Well, we destroyed the Saturn five rocket that was that could take people to the Moon, and had the Space Shuttle, which could only go to lowth orbit, and then there really hasn't been anything to replace any No vehicle has been made since then that can go to the Moon or to Mars until the SpaceX Starship rocket. Yeah, so you can't go to Mars if you don't have the ride.

Well, we destroyed the Saturn five rocket that was that could take people to the Moon, and had the Space Shuttle, which could only go to lowth orbit, and then there really hasn't been anything to replace any No vehicle has been made since then that can go to the Moon or to Mars until the SpaceX Starship rocket. Yeah, so you can't go to Mars if you don't have the ride.

So a few months ago you and I were down in Boca Chica with a president for a starship launch. And it is incredible what you built in Boca Chica. You know, five years ago it was an empty beach at the southern tip of this sandbar. Yeah, and it's now a city and a factory where you're building a rocket ship a month within incredible precision. But one of the things you said to me when we were down there that really stood out to me is is you said, your philosophy on intellectual property talked to lots of CEOs or we fight to guard our i P. And and you had a very different approach. What's what's your view.

So a few months ago you and I were down in Boca Chica with a president for a starship launch. And it is incredible what you built in Boca Chica. You know, five years ago it was an empty beach at the southern tip of this sandbar. Yeah, and it's now a city and a factory where you're building a rocket ship a month within incredible precision. But one of the things you said to me when we were down there that really stood out to me is is you said, your philosophy on intellectual property talked to lots of CEOs or we fight to guard our i P. And and you had a very different approach. What's what's your view.

Of i P, patents of the week, patterents of for those innovation slowly.

Of i P, patents of the week, patterents of for those innovation slowly.

I literally do not know anyone else in business who would say something like that, like like it was a startling and and and what Elon said down there is he said, look this stuff, I assume everyone will steal everything, but by the time they steal it will be five generations beyond and it won't matter.

I literally do not know anyone else in business who would say something like that, like like it was a startling and and and what Elon said down there is he said, look this stuff, I assume everyone will steal everything, but by the time they steal it will be five generations beyond and it won't matter.

Yes, at Tesla, we actually opened sourcialte patents, so we said our patents are anyone can use them for free. Really yeah, uh, the only really your patents of Tesla to to avoid patent trolls causing causing trouble. So we'll try to look ahead and say, okay, patent trolls are going to trial file patents to blocks and things, will file patents and then open source to patent make it free.

Yes, at Tesla, we actually opened sourcialte patents, so we said our patents are anyone can use them for free. Really yeah, uh, the only really your patents of Tesla to to avoid patent trolls causing causing trouble. So we'll try to look ahead and say, okay, patent trolls are going to trial file patents to blocks and things, will file patents and then open source to patent make it free.

I mean I when I say patents for the week.

I mean I when I say patents for the week.

Now, there are a few cases, in say with pharmaceuticals, where it might cost you billion dollars to do a Phase three human file, but then subsequently the drug is very cheap to manufacture. So cases there are some, in my opinion, which its massively reduced what can be patented. And and say, because the whole point of patenting is to maximize innovation, not inhibit it. And in my opinion, maybe a controversial opinion, most patents inhibit innovation, they do not help it.

Now, there are a few cases, in say with pharmaceuticals, where it might cost you billion dollars to do a Phase three human file, but then subsequently the drug is very cheap to manufacture. So cases there are some, in my opinion, which its massively reduced what can be patented. And and say, because the whole point of patenting is to maximize innovation, not inhibit it. And in my opinion, maybe a controversial opinion, most patents inhibit innovation, they do not help it.

How many nights have you slept at your offices? You think your career percentage wise where you say I just got to take this nap basically because my body forces me to and I got to get back to work fast and efficiently without going somewhere else.

How many nights have you slept at your offices? You think your career percentage wise where you say I just got to take this nap basically because my body forces me to and I got to get back to work fast and efficiently without going somewhere else.

Well, I guess it started out.

Well, I guess it started out.

Even with the first company, so two, which is a terrible name, but the first internet company. We're able to rent an office, which was like in a leaky attack essentially for five hundred dollars a month, and the cheapest apartment we could find was eight hundred dollars a month. So like, and we only had about five thousand dollars between our brother and I, so like, we're not we'll.

Even with the first company, so two, which is a terrible name, but the first internet company. We're able to rent an office, which was like in a leaky attack essentially for five hundred dollars a month, and the cheapest apartment we could find was eight hundred dollars a month. So like, and we only had about five thousand dollars between our brother and I, so like, we're not we'll.

We'll, we'll just stay in the office. Yep. So we got some.

We'll, we'll just stay in the office. Yep. So we got some.

Couches that converted into beds and we'd can't sleep at night, and then we just have like turn the beds back into couches before anyone came, and then we would shout the YMCA down the road and so that went that that that that literally was for several months what we did. I was in great shape, you know, work out the y I still remember that that YMCA at Page Mill al Camino in Palo Alto.

Couches that converted into beds and we'd can't sleep at night, and then we just have like turn the beds back into couches before anyone came, and then we would shout the YMCA down the road and so that went that that that that literally was for several months what we did. I was in great shape, you know, work out the y I still remember that that YMCA at Page Mill al Camino in Palo Alto.

So that was a long time.

So that was a long time.

Again, so it's been I don't know, I've never thought to count it, but several hundred days maybe, I don't know.

Again, so it's been I don't know, I've never thought to count it, but several hundred days maybe, I don't know.

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