Today, Liza and Kara discuss the SVU episode “Personal Fouls” (Season 13, Episode 2), investigate the crimes of real-life basketball coach and pedophile Ernest Lorch, and interview the legendary Dan Lauria (The Wonder Years).

SOURCES:
The New York Times 1
The New York Times 2
The New York Times 3
ESPN
Sportico
Rolling Stone
New York Daily News

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
The Predator in the Church Basement

Next week’s episode will be “Complicated” (Season 19, Episode 5).

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Today, Liza and Kara discuss the SVU episode &ldquo;Personal Fouls&rdquo; (Season 13, Episode 2), investigate the crimes of real-life basketball coach and pedophile Ernest Lorch, and interview the legendary Dan Lauria (The Wonder Years).
SOURCES: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/21/nyregion/riverside-church-sexual-abuse-settlement.html">The New York Times 1</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/01/nyregion/church-basketball-director-leaves-after-abuse-charge.html">The New York Times 2</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/sports/coaches-sexual-abuse.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share">The New York Times 3</a> <a href="https://www.espn.com/college-sports/highschool/news/story?id=6290287">ESPN</a> <a href="https://www.sportico.com/law/news/2026/riverside-church-abuse-cases-slow-litigation-ernest-lorch-1234941603/">Sportico</a> <a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/riverside-church-basketball-ernie-lorch-abuse-lawsuit-1235446199/">Rolling Stone</a> <a href="https://www.nydailynews.com/2010/10/13/ernest-lorch-founder-of-riverside-church-basketball-program-indicted-for-sex-abuse-by-grand-jury/">New York Daily News</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/riverside-church-basketball-ernie-lorch-abuse-lawsuit-1235446199/">The Predator in the Church Basement</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;Complicated&rdquo; (Season 19, Episode 5).
Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: <a href="https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu">https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu</a>

Each week, comedians and amateur detectives Liza Treyger and Kara Klenk break down episodes of NBC’s Law & Order: SVU, take a deep dive into the true crimes they're based on and interview on-screen talent, ranging from big stars to joggers who find the body. These are their stories. Dun dun!

Tune in as they discuss all things not only Law & Order: SVU, but unfiltered hot takes on entertainment, TV, pop culture and more! Members of the elite squad like Kelli Giddish, BD Wong and Diane Neal have previously guested along with many more! Plus, the two friends frequently take to the stage with live shows featuring a PowerPoint, games and lots of laughs. Go to http://thatsmesseduplive.com or check their Instagram @thatsmesseduppod to check tour dates and get episode homework!

That’s Messed Up: An SVU Podcast is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark, I Said No Gifts!, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.

That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast

Each week, comedians and amateur detectives Liza Treyger and Kara Klenk break down episodes of NBC’s Law & Order: SVU, take a deep dive into the true crimes they're based on and interview on-screen talent, ranging from big stars to joggers who find the body. These are their stories. Dun dun!

Tune in as they discuss all things not only Law & Order: SVU, but unfiltered hot takes on entertainment, TV, pop culture and more! Members of the elite squad like Kelli Giddish, BD Wong and Diane Neal have previously guested along with many more! Plus, the two friends frequently take to the stage with live shows featuring a PowerPoint, games and lots of laughs. Go to http://thatsmesseduplive.com or check their Instagram @thatsmesseduppod to check tour dates and get episode homework!

That’s Messed Up: An SVU Podcast is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark, I Said No Gifts!, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.

Personal Fouls w/ Dan Lauria

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