This week, Liza and Kara cover the episode, “Misleader” (Season 1, Episode 17), and discuss the scandalous George Roche III affair at Hillsdale College.

SOURCES:
Vanity Fair
The New York Times
Wikipedia - George Roche III
Wikipedia - Hillsdale College
National Review

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
Toys For Tots

Next week’s episode will be “Pop” (Season 12, Episode 11). 

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This week, Liza and Kara cover the episode, &ldquo;Misleader&rdquo; (Season 1, Episode 17), and discuss the scandalous George Roche III affair at Hillsdale College.
SOURCES: <a href="https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/2000/3/deadly-devotion">Vanity Fair</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1999/11/15/us/scandal-rocks-a-conservative-campus.html">The New York Times</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Roche_III">Wikipedia - George Roche III</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsdale_College">Wikipedia - Hillsdale College</a> <a href="https://www.nationalreview.com/1999/11/horror-hillsdale-john-j-miller/">National Review</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://www.toysfortots.org/">Toys For Tots</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;Pop&rdquo; (Season 12, Episode 11).&nbsp;
Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: <a href="https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu">https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu</a>

Each week, comedians and amateur detectives Liza Treyger and Kara Klenk break down episodes of NBC’s Law & Order: SVU, take a deep dive into the true crimes they're based on and interview on-screen talent, ranging from big stars to joggers who find the body. These are their stories. Dun dun!

Tune in as they discuss all things not only Law & Order: SVU, but unfiltered hot takes on entertainment, TV, pop culture and more! Members of the elite squad like Kelli Giddish, BD Wong and Diane Neal have previously guested along with many more! Plus, the two friends frequently take to the stage with live shows featuring a PowerPoint, games and lots of laughs. Go to http://thatsmesseduplive.com or check their Instagram @thatsmesseduppod to check tour dates and get episode homework!

That’s Messed Up: An SVU Podcast is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark, I Said No Gifts!, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.

That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast

Each week, comedians and amateur detectives Liza Treyger and Kara Klenk break down episodes of NBC’s Law & Order: SVU, take a deep dive into the true crimes they're based on and interview on-screen talent, ranging from big stars to joggers who find the body. These are their stories. Dun dun!

Tune in as they discuss all things not only Law & Order: SVU, but unfiltered hot takes on entertainment, TV, pop culture and more! Members of the elite squad like Kelli Giddish, BD Wong and Diane Neal have previously guested along with many more! Plus, the two friends frequently take to the stage with live shows featuring a PowerPoint, games and lots of laughs. Go to http://thatsmesseduplive.com or check their Instagram @thatsmesseduppod to check tour dates and get episode homework!

That’s Messed Up: An SVU Podcast is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark, I Said No Gifts!, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.

Misleader

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Today, Liza and Kara cover the episode “The Long Arm of the Witness” (Season 22, Episode 6), discuss the controversial Senate confirmation hearings for Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, and interview the fantastic Josh Stamberg (Drop Dead Diva, WandaVision).

SOURCES:
The New York Times 1
The New York Times 2
The Washington Post
Wikipedia - Brett Kavanaugh
PBS
Time

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
One Way Back by Christine Blasey Ford

Next week’s episode will be “Gimmick” (Season 27, Episode 18). 

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Today, Liza and Kara cover the episode &ldquo;The Long Arm of the Witness&rdquo; (Season 22, Episode 6), discuss the controversial Senate confirmation hearings for Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, and interview the fantastic Josh Stamberg (Drop Dead Diva, WandaVision).
SOURCES: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1997/09/13/us/tennessee-judge-convicted-of-sexual-assault-becomes-a-fugitive.html">The New York Times 1</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/14/books/review/the-education-of-brett-kavanaugh-robin-pogrebin-kate-kelly.html">The New York Times 2</a> <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1997/10/15/judge-in-sex-assaults-found/187435df-ff24-40d1-b9e4-73c9dfb66dae/">The Washington Post</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Kavanaugh">Wikipedia - Brett Kavanaugh</a> <a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/ford-testified-kavanaugh-testified-what-did-we-learn">PBS</a> <a href="https://time.com/5408177/brett-kavanaugh-christine-blasey-ford-testimony/">Time</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250289650/onewayback/">One Way Back by Christine Blasey Ford</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;Gimmick&rdquo; (Season 27, Episode 18).&nbsp;
Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: <a href="https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu">https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu</a>

The Long Arm of the Witness w/ Josh Stamberg

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This week, Kara and Liza break down the SVU episode, “Complicated” (Season 19, Episode 5), discuss the confounding death of Kacie Aleece Peterson, and interview the wonderful actor and coffee shop friend of Liza, Kellie Overbey.

SOURCES:
CBS News 1
CBS News 2
6ABC
New York Post
CNN
Kitsap Sun
Echovita

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
A is For

Next week’s episode will be “The Long Arm of the Witness” (Season 22, Episode 6).

Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu

This week, Kara and Liza break down the SVU episode, &ldquo;Complicated&rdquo; (Season 19, Episode 5), discuss the confounding death of Kacie Aleece Peterson, and interview the wonderful actor and coffee shop friend of Liza, Kellie Overbey.
SOURCES: <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/nj-prosecutors-3-nyers-charged-in-baby-bones-case/">CBS News 1</a> <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wash-dad-ids-missing-teen-found-in-nyc/">CBS News 2</a> <a href="https://6abc.com/archive/8843990/">6ABC</a> <a href="https://nypost.com/2014/03/02/wrist-slap-sentences-for-baby-bones-death-cover-up/">New York Post</a> <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/26/teen.jane.doe/index.html">CNN</a> <a href="https://archive.kitsapsun.com/news/code-911/amnesiac-teen-found-in-new-york-city-idd-as-kingston-high-student-ep-420369382-357892171.html">Kitsap Sun</a> <a href="https://www.echovita.com/us/obituaries/ny/new-york/kacie-aleece-peterson-19776509">Echovita</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://aisfor.org/">A is For</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;The Long Arm of the Witness&rdquo; (Season 22, Episode 6).
Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: <a href="https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu">https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu</a>

Complicated w/ Kellie Overbey

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Today, Liza and Kara discuss the SVU episode “Personal Fouls” (Season 13, Episode 2), investigate the crimes of real-life basketball coach and pedophile Ernest Lorch, and interview the legendary Dan Lauria (The Wonder Years).

SOURCES:
The New York Times 1
The New York Times 2
The New York Times 3
ESPN
Sportico
Rolling Stone
New York Daily News

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
The Predator in the Church Basement

Next week’s episode will be “Complicated” (Season 19, Episode 5).

Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu

Today, Liza and Kara discuss the SVU episode &ldquo;Personal Fouls&rdquo; (Season 13, Episode 2), investigate the crimes of real-life basketball coach and pedophile Ernest Lorch, and interview the legendary Dan Lauria (The Wonder Years).
SOURCES: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/21/nyregion/riverside-church-sexual-abuse-settlement.html">The New York Times 1</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/01/nyregion/church-basketball-director-leaves-after-abuse-charge.html">The New York Times 2</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/sports/coaches-sexual-abuse.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share">The New York Times 3</a> <a href="https://www.espn.com/college-sports/highschool/news/story?id=6290287">ESPN</a> <a href="https://www.sportico.com/law/news/2026/riverside-church-abuse-cases-slow-litigation-ernest-lorch-1234941603/">Sportico</a> <a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/riverside-church-basketball-ernie-lorch-abuse-lawsuit-1235446199/">Rolling Stone</a> <a href="https://www.nydailynews.com/2010/10/13/ernest-lorch-founder-of-riverside-church-basketball-program-indicted-for-sex-abuse-by-grand-jury/">New York Daily News</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/riverside-church-basketball-ernie-lorch-abuse-lawsuit-1235446199/">The Predator in the Church Basement</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;Complicated&rdquo; (Season 19, Episode 5).
Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: <a href="https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu">https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu</a>

Personal Fouls w/ Dan Lauria

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