Today, Liza and Kara tackle the episode “Constricted” (Season 26, Episode 4) and the real-life issue of increasing numbers of youth sexual non-fatal (and fatal) strangulation cases. Plus, they have a lovely chat with the amazing Zak Orth.

SOURCES:
BBC 1
BBC 2
Psychology Today 1
Psychology Today 2
News Medical
Alliance for HOPE International

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
How to talk to kids about porn

Next week’s episode will be “Bound” (Season 5, Episode 23). 

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Today, Liza and Kara tackle the episode &ldquo;Constricted&rdquo; (Season 26, Episode 4) and the real-life issue of increasing numbers of youth sexual non-fatal (and fatal) strangulation cases. Plus, they have a lovely chat with the amazing Zak Orth.
SOURCES: <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyk3qzq7k7o">BBC 1</a> <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnkkqyek17zo">BBC 2</a> <a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/raising-kind-kids/201911/should-we-teach-kids-about-porns-harms-yes-and-heres-how">Psychology Today 1</a> <a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mate-relate-and-communicate/202201/should-sex-educators-talk-about-choking-during-sex">Psychology Today 2</a> <a href="https://www.news-medical.net/news/20260218/Study-finds-rising-severity-in-youth-sexual-assaults.aspx">News Medical</a> <a href="https://www.allianceforhope.org/training-institute-on-strangulation-prevention/resources/the-truth-and-consequences-of-sexual-chokingstrangulation-what-we-learned-since-2023">Alliance for HOPE International</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://technosapiens.substack.com/p/porn2">How to talk to kids about porn</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;Bound&rdquo; (Season 5, Episode 23).&nbsp;
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Each week, comedians and amateur detectives Liza Treyger and Kara Klenk break down episodes of NBC’s Law & Order: SVU, take a deep dive into the true crimes they're based on and interview on-screen talent, ranging from big stars to joggers who find the body. These are their stories. Dun dun!

Tune in as they discuss all things not only Law & Order: SVU, but unfiltered hot takes on entertainment, TV, pop culture and more! Members of the elite squad like Kelli Giddish, BD Wong and Diane Neal have previously guested along with many more! Plus, the two friends frequently take to the stage with live shows featuring a PowerPoint, games and lots of laughs. Go to http://thatsmesseduplive.com or check their Instagram @thatsmesseduppod to check tour dates and get episode homework!

That’s Messed Up: An SVU Podcast is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark, I Said No Gifts!, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.

That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast

Each week, comedians and amateur detectives Liza Treyger and Kara Klenk break down episodes of NBC’s Law & Order: SVU, take a deep dive into the true crimes they're based on and interview on-screen talent, ranging from big stars to joggers who find the body. These are their stories. Dun dun!

Tune in as they discuss all things not only Law & Order: SVU, but unfiltered hot takes on entertainment, TV, pop culture and more! Members of the elite squad like Kelli Giddish, BD Wong and Diane Neal have previously guested along with many more! Plus, the two friends frequently take to the stage with live shows featuring a PowerPoint, games and lots of laughs. Go to http://thatsmesseduplive.com or check their Instagram @thatsmesseduppod to check tour dates and get episode homework!

That’s Messed Up: An SVU Podcast is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark, I Said No Gifts!, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.

Constricted w/ Zak Orth

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/1ca8ec5f-634c-45cd-aeb4-b44700f8ac7a/transcript

This week, Liza and Kara break down the SVU episode, “Mea Culpa” (Season 20, Episode 9) and discuss the infamous murder of Stanford White by Harry Kendall Thaw following the rape of Evelyn Nesbit. Plus, they interview the wonderful George Newbern. 

SOURCES:
BBC
The New York Times
Wikipedia - Evelyn Nesbit
Library of Congress
Avenue Magazine

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
The Tragic Life of Evelyn Nesbit: The Murder That Shocked America

Next week’s episode will be “Constricted” (Season 26, Episode 4).

Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu

This week, Liza and Kara break down the SVU episode, &ldquo;Mea Culpa&rdquo; (Season 20, Episode 9) and discuss the infamous murder of Stanford White by Harry Kendall Thaw following the rape of Evelyn Nesbit. Plus, they interview the wonderful George Newbern.&nbsp;
SOURCES: <a href="https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20141222-the-worlds-first-supermodel">BBC</a> <a href="https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/specials/ragtime/white.html">The New York Times</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_Nesbit">Wikipedia - Evelyn Nesbit</a> <a href="https://www.loc.gov/resource/sn84026749/1907-02-10/ed-1/?sp=43&amp;q=WOMAN+CASE+Harry+Thaw+Evelyn+Nesbit+Stanford+White+murder+Jerome&amp;r=-0.084,0.368,0.473,0.247,0">Library of Congress</a> <a href="https://avenuemagazine.com/stanford-white-murder-notorious-new-yorker/">Avenue Magazine</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtG5vzbQQpk">The Tragic Life of Evelyn Nesbit: The Murder That Shocked America</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;Constricted&rdquo; (Season 26, Episode 4).
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Mea Culpa w/ George Newbern

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Today, Kara and Liza discuss the SVU episode “Recall” (Season 8, Episode 3) and investigate the horrific crimes and lack of justice involved with the case of serial rapist Melvin Carter (a.k.a. "The College Terrace Rapist").

SOURCES:
CNN
Seattle Post-Intelligencer
Orlando Sentinel
WIS News 10
The Seattle Times
Long Beach Press-Telegram
The Mercury News
The New York Times
SFGATE
13WHAM ABC Rochester
Division of Criminal Justice Services - New York State
Country of Livingston, New York
The Daily News

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
We're told eyewitness testimony isn't reliable. But new science says it might be

Next week’s episode will be “Mea Culpa” (Season 20, Episode 9).

Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu

Today, Kara and Liza discuss the SVU episode &ldquo;Recall&rdquo; (Season 8, Episode 3) and investigate the horrific crimes and lack of justice involved with the case of serial rapist Melvin Carter (a.k.a. "The College Terrace Rapist").
SOURCES: <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2002/US/11/11/serial.rapist/">CNN</a> <a href="https://www.seattlepi.com/seattlenews/article/man-convicted-in-ballard-rapes-from-12-years-ago-1288143.php">Seattle Post-Intelligencer</a> <a href="https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2002/11/12/suspect-in-multiple-rapes-arrested-2/">Orlando Sentinel</a> <a href="https://www.wistv.com/story/1006406/suspected-rapist-a-familiar-figure-in-neighborhoods-where-attacks-took-place/">WIS News 10</a> <a href="https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/california-rapist-on-trial-in-seattle-defendant-already-serving-1000-years/">The Seattle Times</a> <a href="https://www.presstelegram.com/2007/10/31/rapists-appeal-is-rejected-again/">Long Beach Press-Telegram</a> <a href="https://www.mercurynews.com/2010/05/27/palo-alto-police-arrest-man-in-kidnap-rape-case/">The Mercury News</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1994/03/20/us/protests-over-serial-rapist-s-parole-subside.html">The New York Times</a> <a href="https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/College-Terrace-rapist-will-finish-parole-at-3149496.php">SFGATE</a> <a href="https://13wham.com/news/local/serial-rapist-outed-in-13-wham-investigation-back-in-jail-in-livingston-county">13WHAM ABC Rochester</a> <a href="https://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/SomsSUBDirectory/offenderDetails.jsp?offenderid=5489&amp;lang=EN">Division of Criminal Justice Services - New York State</a> <a href="https://livingstoncountyny.gov/Archive/ViewFile/Item/716">Country of Livingston, New York</a> <a href="https://www.thedailynewsonline.com/news/college-terrace-rapist-gets-weekends-in-jail/article_ef5a14d8-b03b-57b3-b6e5-1ea2c5ff8fcf.html">The Daily News</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://www.npr.org/2026/03/20/nx-s1-5711405/were-told-eyewitness-testimony-isnt-reliable-but-new-science-says-it-might-be">We're told eyewitness testimony isn't reliable. But new science says it might be</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;Mea Culpa&rdquo; (Season 20, Episode 9).
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Recall

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/386c9cfe-723d-4eee-be31-b43900ee0a89/transcript

This week, Liza and Kara recap the episode “Redemption in Her Corner” (Season 21, Episode 13) and discuss the case involving Jamill Jones fatally one-punching Sandor Szabo.

SOURCES:
The New York State Senate 1
The New York State Senate 2
True Crime News
PIX11 News
ESPN
People
The News & Observer
Los Angeles Times
The New York Times

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
YWCA USA

Next week’s episode will be “Recall" (Season 8, Episode 3). 

Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu

This week, Liza and Kara recap the episode &ldquo;Redemption in Her Corner&rdquo; (Season 21, Episode 13) and discuss the case involving Jamill Jones fatally one-punching Sandor Szabo.
SOURCES: <a href="https://www.nysenate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2017/jeffrey-d-klein/senate-passes-kleins-ildefonso-romero-jrs-law-create">The New York State Senate 1</a> <a href="https://www.nysenate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2016/jeffrey-d-klein/klein-passes-ildefonso-romero-jrs-law-create-new">The New York State Senate 2</a> <a href="https://truecrimenews.com/2017/06/21/family-on-a-mission-to-change-one-punch-law-after-dads-death/">True Crime News</a> <a href="https://pix11.com/news/local-news/queens/former-wake-forest-coach-cries-on-witness-stand-in-queens-one-punch-death-case/">PIX11 News</a> <a href="https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/29526742/ex-wake-forest-coach-jamill-jones-avoids-jail-fatal-punch">ESPN</a> <a href="https://people.com/crime/florida-tourist-sandor-szabo-speak-after-punch-dies/">People</a> <a href="https://www.newsobserver.com/article222613425.html">The News &amp; Observer</a> <a href="https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-12-12-me-5762-story.html">Los Angeles Times</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/08/us/courts-begin-to-respect-memory-of-child-abuse.html">The New York Times</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://www.ywca.org/">YWCA USA</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;Recall" (Season 8, Episode 3).&nbsp;
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Redemption in Her Corner

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/dc39e77f-d5a0-45a3-bbb6-b43200f9242e/transcript

Constricted w/ Zak Orth

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