Today, Liza and Kara discuss the SVU episode “Burning With Rage Forever” (Season 23, Episode 11), investigate the Roblox child predator controversies, and interview the phenomenal Christian Navarro (13 Reasons Why).

SOURCES:
The Daily Telegraph 1
The Daily Telegraph 2
ABC News 1
ABC News 2
NBC News 1
NBC News 2
CBS News
Wikipedia - Child safety on Roblox
The New York Times
ENOUGH ABUSE
Lifehacker

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
Breck Foundation
Roblox Isn't a Game

Next week’s episode will be “In the Wind” (Season 27, Episode 1).

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Today, Liza and Kara discuss the SVU episode &ldquo;Burning With Rage Forever&rdquo; (Season 23, Episode 11), investigate the Roblox child predator controversies, and interview the phenomenal Christian Navarro (13 Reasons Why).
SOURCES: <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20160411172624/http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11252415/Breck-Bednar-murder-computer-engineer-admits-killing-oil-millionaires-son.html">The Daily Telegraph 1</a> <a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11263702/Baby-faced-killer-posted-pictures-of-Breck-Bednars-body-on-the-Internet.html">The Daily Telegraph 2</a> <a href="https://abcnews.com/International/mom-sons-murder-online-gaming-partner/story?id=27309290">ABC News 1</a> <a href="https://abcnews.com/US/patrick-drum-killed-sex-offenders-life-sentence/story?id=17274171">ABC News 2</a> <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-sentenced-life-killing-sex-offenders-judge-chastises-supporters-flna1b5966594">NBC News 1</a> <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kidnapping-roblox-rcna201795">NBC News 2</a> <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/patrick-drum-wash-man-sentenced-to-life-without-parole-for-killing-sex-offenders/">CBS News</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_safety_on_Roblox">Wikipedia - Child safety on Roblox</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/21/podcasts/hardfork-roblox-child-safety.html">The New York Times</a> <a href="https://enoughabuse.org/roblox-a-playground-for-predators-part-1-of-2/">ENOUGH ABUSE</a> <a href="https://lifehacker.com/entertainment/roblox-introduces-new-parental-controls">Lifehacker</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://www.breckfoundation.org/">Breck Foundation</a> <a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/video-game-health/202511/roblox-isnt-a-game">Roblox Isn't a Game</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;In the Wind&rdquo; (Season 27, Episode 1).
Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: <a href="https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu">https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu</a>

Each week, comedians and amateur detectives Liza Treyger and Kara Klenk break down episodes of NBC’s Law & Order: SVU, take a deep dive into the true crimes they're based on and interview on-screen talent, ranging from big stars to joggers who find the body. These are their stories. Dun dun!

Tune in as they discuss all things not only Law & Order: SVU, but unfiltered hot takes on entertainment, TV, pop culture and more! Members of the elite squad like Kelli Giddish, BD Wong and Diane Neal have previously guested along with many more! Plus, the two friends frequently take to the stage with live shows featuring a PowerPoint, games and lots of laughs. Go to http://thatsmesseduplive.com or check their Instagram @thatsmesseduppod to check tour dates and get episode homework!

That’s Messed Up: An SVU Podcast is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark, I Said No Gifts!, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.

That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast

Each week, comedians and amateur detectives Liza Treyger and Kara Klenk break down episodes of NBC’s Law & Order: SVU, take a deep dive into the true crimes they're based on and interview on-screen talent, ranging from big stars to joggers who find the body. These are their stories. Dun dun!

Tune in as they discuss all things not only Law & Order: SVU, but unfiltered hot takes on entertainment, TV, pop culture and more! Members of the elite squad like Kelli Giddish, BD Wong and Diane Neal have previously guested along with many more! Plus, the two friends frequently take to the stage with live shows featuring a PowerPoint, games and lots of laughs. Go to http://thatsmesseduplive.com or check their Instagram @thatsmesseduppod to check tour dates and get episode homework!

That’s Messed Up: An SVU Podcast is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark, I Said No Gifts!, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.

Burning With Rage Forever w/ Christian Navarro

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This week, Kara and Liza recap “Facing Demons” (Season 20, Episode 16), discuss the former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert's sexual abuse cases, and interview the incredible William Sadler.

SOURCES:
Wikipedia - Dennis Hastert
The New York Times 1
The New York Times 2
The New York Times 3
PBS 1
PBS 2
PBS 3
DuPage County Bar Association
ABC7 1
ABC7 2
Daily Mail
New York Post
NBC News

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
Sexual Violence and the Coach–Athlete Relationship

Next week’s episode will be “Burning With Rage Forever" (Season 23, Episode 11). 

Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu

This week, Kara and Liza recap &ldquo;Facing Demons&rdquo; (Season 20, Episode 16), discuss the former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert's sexual abuse cases, and interview the incredible William Sadler.
SOURCES: <a href="https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Hastert">Wikipedia - Dennis Hastert</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/28/us/dennis-hastert-documents.html">The New York Times 1</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/28/us/dennis-hastert-sentencing.html?action=click&amp;module=RelatedCoverage&amp;pgtype=Article&amp;region=Footer">The New York Times 2</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/16/us/dennis-hastert-reaches-plea-deal-in-bank-withdrawals-case.html">The New York Times 3</a> <a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/ex-u-s-house-speaker-dennis-hastert-starts-prison-term">PBS 1</a> <a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/prosecutors-detail-sex-abuse-allegations-against-dennis-hastert">PBS 2</a> <a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/hastert-faces-sex-abuse-past-in-hush-money-case">PBS 3</a> <a href="https://www.dcba.org/mpage/vol300118art4#:~:text=In%20August%202017%2C%20Governor%20Rauner,when%20Governor%20Rauner%20signed%20it.">DuPage County Bar Association</a> <a href="https://abc7news.com/post/alleged-victim-of-monster-dennis-hastert-pushes-for-law-change/1538665/">ABC7 1</a> <a href="https://abc7ny.com/post/dennis-hastert-sexually-abused-brother-as-teen-woman-says/768023/">ABC7 2</a> <a href="https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-7465927/Pedophile-victim-went-undercover-wore-wire-nab-abuser-earning-career-FBI.html">Daily Mail</a> <a href="https://nypost.com/2019/09/14/child-sex-abuse-victim-nabbed-his-own-tormentor-became-fbi-agent/">New York Post</a> <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dennis-hastert-wants-sex-abuse-accuser-return-hush-money-n709116">NBC News</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8155665/">Sexual Violence and the Coach&ndash;Athlete Relationship</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;Burning With Rage Forever" (Season 23, Episode 11).&nbsp;
Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: <a href="https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu">https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu</a>

Facing Demons w/ William Sadler

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/f1a66d6a-0166-4bb9-b735-b4bb0156f49b/transcript

Today, Liza and Kara celebrate their 300th episode by recapping “Bang” (Season 12, Episode 22), discussing the wild Keith MacDonald (a.k.a. "Love Rat Dad") case, and interviewing the iconic John Stamos.

SOURCES:
Daily Mail
Daily Mirror
WomensLaw.org
1800RESPECT
CTV News

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
Food Bank for New York City

Next week’s episode will be “Facing Demons” (Season 20, Episode 16). 

Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu

Today, Liza and Kara celebrate their 300th episode by recapping &ldquo;Bang&rdquo; (Season 12, Episode 22), discussing the wild Keith MacDonald (a.k.a. "Love Rat Dad") case, and interviewing the iconic John Stamos.
SOURCES: <a href="https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-3115261/Great-uncle-living-poverty-giving-money-feckless-father.html">Daily Mail</a> <a href="https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/love-rat-dad-who-16-29629812">Daily Mirror</a> <a href="https://www.womenslaw.org/about-abuse/forms-abuse/reproductive-abuse-and-coercion">WomensLaw.org</a> <a href="https://1800respect.org.au/reproductive-abuse">1800RESPECT</a> <a href="https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/who-left-little-dusty-bowers-to-die-in-the-snow/">CTV News</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://www.foodbanknyc.org/">Food Bank for New York City</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;Facing Demons&rdquo; (Season 20, Episode 16).&nbsp;
Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: <a href="https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu">https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu</a>

Bang w/ John Stamos

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/94bc1628-9a7d-4a64-8d9e-b4b700f46b8c/transcript

This week, Kara and Liza break down the SVU episode, “Guardians and Gladiators” (Season 22, Episode 1), discuss the infuriating Central Park birdwatching incident, and interview the lovely Stephen Wallem (Nurse Jackie).

SOURCES:
The New York Times 1
The New York Times 2
The New York Times 3
The New York Times 4
The New York Times 5
The New York Times 6
The New York Times 7
Newsweek
CNN

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
Better Living Through Birding

Next week’s episode will be “Bang” (Season 12, Episode 22).

Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu

This week, Kara and Liza break down the SVU episode, &ldquo;Guardians and Gladiators&rdquo; (Season 22, Episode 1), discuss the infuriating Central Park birdwatching incident, and interview the lovely Stephen Wallem (Nurse Jackie).
SOURCES: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/26/nyregion/amy-cooper-dog-central-park.html">The New York Times 1</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/nyregion/amy-cooper-christian-central-park-video.html">The New York Times 2</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/nyregion/amy-cooper-false-report-charge.html">The New York Times 3</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/nyregion/amy-cooper-central-park-false-report-charge.html">The New York Times 4</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/16/nyregion/amy-cooper-charges-dismissed.html">The New York Times 5</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/26/nyregion/amy-cooper-suing-racial-discrimination.html">The New York Times 6</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/17/arts/television/christian-cooper-central-park-birder.html">The New York Times 7</a> <a href="https://www.newsweek.com/i-was-branded-central-park-karen-i-still-live-hiding-1839483">Newsweek</a> <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/06/uk/reynhard-sinaga-rapist-life-sentence-scli-gbr-intl">CNN</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/671722/better-living-through-birding-by-christian-cooper/">Better Living Through Birding</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;Bang&rdquo; (Season 12, Episode 22).
Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: <a href="https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu">https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu</a>

Guardians and Gladiators w/ Stephen Wallem

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/25c08de9-4b6f-4ae9-8498-b4b0012197eb/transcript

Burning With Rage Forever w/ Christian Navarro

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