Today, Liza and Kara tackle the disturbing episode “Angels” (Season 4, Episode 6), NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association), and the horrific real-life work of psychologist and sexologist Helmut Kentler.

SOURCES:
Wikipedia - Helmut Kentler
The New Yorker

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
The German Experiment That Placed Foster Children with Pedophiles by Rachel Aviv

Next week’s episode will be “American Dream” & “Sanctuary” (Season 18, Episodes 20 & 21). 

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Today, Liza and Kara tackle the disturbing episode &ldquo;Angels&rdquo; (Season 4, Episode 6), NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association), and the horrific real-life work of psychologist and sexologist Helmut Kentler.
SOURCES: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmut_Kentler">Wikipedia - Helmut Kentler</a> <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-experiment-that-placed-foster-children-with-pedophiles">The New Yorker</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-experiment-that-placed-foster-children-with-pedophiles">The German Experiment That Placed Foster Children with Pedophiles by Rachel Aviv</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;American Dream&rdquo; &amp; &ldquo;Sanctuary&rdquo; (Season 18, Episodes 20 &amp; 21).&nbsp;
Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: <a href="https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu">https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu</a>

Each week, comedians and amateur detectives Liza Treyger and Kara Klenk break down episodes of NBC’s Law & Order: SVU, take a deep dive into the true crimes they're based on and interview on-screen talent, ranging from big stars to joggers who find the body. These are their stories. Dun dun!

Tune in as they discuss all things not only Law & Order: SVU, but unfiltered hot takes on entertainment, TV, pop culture and more! Members of the elite squad like Kelli Giddish, BD Wong and Diane Neal have previously guested along with many more! Plus, the two friends frequently take to the stage with live shows featuring a PowerPoint, games and lots of laughs. Go to http://thatsmesseduplive.com or check their Instagram @thatsmesseduppod to check tour dates and get episode homework!

That’s Messed Up: An SVU Podcast is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark, I Said No Gifts!, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.

That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast

Each week, comedians and amateur detectives Liza Treyger and Kara Klenk break down episodes of NBC’s Law & Order: SVU, take a deep dive into the true crimes they're based on and interview on-screen talent, ranging from big stars to joggers who find the body. These are their stories. Dun dun!

Tune in as they discuss all things not only Law & Order: SVU, but unfiltered hot takes on entertainment, TV, pop culture and more! Members of the elite squad like Kelli Giddish, BD Wong and Diane Neal have previously guested along with many more! Plus, the two friends frequently take to the stage with live shows featuring a PowerPoint, games and lots of laughs. Go to http://thatsmesseduplive.com or check their Instagram @thatsmesseduppod to check tour dates and get episode homework!

That’s Messed Up: An SVU Podcast is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark, I Said No Gifts!, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.

Angels

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This week, Kara and Liza break down the SVU episode, “Guardians and Gladiators” (Season 22, Episode 1), discuss the infuriating Central Park birdwatching incident, and interview the lovely Stephen Wallem (Nurse Jackie).

SOURCES:
The New York Times 1
The New York Times 2
The New York Times 3
The New York Times 4
The New York Times 5
The New York Times 6
The New York Times 7
Newsweek
CNN

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
Better Living Through Birding

Next week’s episode will be “Bang” (Season 12, Episode 22).

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This week, Kara and Liza break down the SVU episode, &ldquo;Guardians and Gladiators&rdquo; (Season 22, Episode 1), discuss the infuriating Central Park birdwatching incident, and interview the lovely Stephen Wallem (Nurse Jackie).
SOURCES: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/26/nyregion/amy-cooper-dog-central-park.html">The New York Times 1</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/nyregion/amy-cooper-christian-central-park-video.html">The New York Times 2</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/nyregion/amy-cooper-false-report-charge.html">The New York Times 3</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/nyregion/amy-cooper-central-park-false-report-charge.html">The New York Times 4</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/16/nyregion/amy-cooper-charges-dismissed.html">The New York Times 5</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/26/nyregion/amy-cooper-suing-racial-discrimination.html">The New York Times 6</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/17/arts/television/christian-cooper-central-park-birder.html">The New York Times 7</a> <a href="https://www.newsweek.com/i-was-branded-central-park-karen-i-still-live-hiding-1839483">Newsweek</a> <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/06/uk/reynhard-sinaga-rapist-life-sentence-scli-gbr-intl">CNN</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/671722/better-living-through-birding-by-christian-cooper/">Better Living Through Birding</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;Bang&rdquo; (Season 12, Episode 22).
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Guardians and Gladiators w/ Stephen Wallem

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Today, Liza and Kara discuss the SVU episode “Weak” (Season 6, Episode 9) and investigate the horrific crimes of Chicago mass murderer Richard Speck.

SOURCES:
The Pennsylvania Gazette
Wikipedia - Troy Graves
The Marshall Project
The Philadelphia Inquirer
Wikipedia - Richard Speck
Chicago History Museum
Time
CBS News

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
Women’s Law Project

Next week’s episode will be “Guardians and Gladiators” (Season 22, Episode 1).

Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu

Today, Liza and Kara discuss the SVU episode &ldquo;Weak&rdquo; (Season 6, Episode 9) and investigate the horrific crimes of Chicago mass murderer Richard Speck.
SOURCES: <a href="http://thepenngazette.com/students-killer-behind-bars/">The Pennsylvania Gazette</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Graves">Wikipedia - Troy Graves</a> <a href="https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/12/18/rape-is-rape-isn-t-it">The Marshall Project</a> <a href="https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/special-victims-unit-rapes-womens-law-project-philadelphia-20250714.html">The Philadelphia Inquirer</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Speck">Wikipedia - Richard Speck</a> <a href="https://www.chicagohistory.org/first-mass-murderer-richard-speck/">Chicago History Museum</a> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20080308025756/http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,984604,00.html">Time</a> <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/killer-richard-speck-confessing-video-1996-report/">CBS News</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://www.womenslawproject.org/">Women&rsquo;s Law Project</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;Guardians and Gladiators&rdquo; (Season 22, Episode 1).
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Weak

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This week, Kara and Liza recap “Welcome to the Pedo Motel” (Season 22, Episode 10), discuss the infuriatingly tragic Ahmaud Arbery case, and interview the delightful Victoria Lily Robertson.

SOURCES:
CNN
The Guardian 1
The Guardian 2
U.S. Department of Justice
The Florida Times-Union
ACLU Georgia
CBS News
The New York Times
A&E
FBI
The Seattle Times

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
National Reentry Resource Center

Next week’s episode will be “Weak" (Season 6, Episode 9). 

Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu

This week, Kara and Liza recap &ldquo;Welcome to the Pedo Motel&rdquo; (Season 22, Episode 10), discuss the infuriatingly tragic Ahmaud Arbery case, and interview the delightful Victoria Lily Robertson.
SOURCES: <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/30/uk/sarah-everard-timeline-gbr-intl">CNN</a> <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/29/met-police-should-never-have-employed-wayne-couzens-report-finds">The Guardian 1</a> <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/29/killer-of-sarah-everard-should-never-have-joined-police-report-finds">The Guardian 2</a> <a href="https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/federal-judge-sentences-three-men-convicted-racially-motivated-hate-crimes-connection-killing">U.S. Department of Justice</a> <a href="https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/local/2020/05/09/recused-da-responds-to-claims-she-blocked-arrests-in-ahmaud-arbery-case/112280624/">The Florida Times-Union</a> <a href="https://www.acluga.org/what-happened-ahmaud-arbery/">ACLU Georgia</a> <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ahmaud-arbery-killers-appeals-court-upholds-hate-crime-convictions/">CBS News</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-georgia.html">The New York Times</a> <a href="https://www.aetv.com/articles/adreanna-jackson-2005-disappearance">A&amp;E</a> <a href="https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2006/december/seeking_info122006">FBI</a> <a href="https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/case-of-missing-girl-10-baffles-police/">The Seattle Times</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://nationalreentryresourcecenter.org/">National Reentry Resource Center</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;Weak" (Season 6, Episode 9).&nbsp;
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Welcome to the Pedo Motel w/ Victoria Lily Robertson

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