What the Texans offense will look like in 2025 | Texans All Access

Published Feb 14, 2025, 8:41 PM
What will the Texans offense look like with Nick Caley as the coordinator? What are some of the latest NFL trade rumors? The Texans Radio Crew answered these questions and more.

Hello, Texans, Welcome to the show. Happy Valentine's Day. Is it okay for men to say Happy Valentine's Day to each other because it's happened today? To me, I've got a couple of wait a second, you got Happy Valentine's Valentine's Day, but kind of sort of kidding a little bit, like, ey, happy Valentine's Day, brother, you know, like are you taking care of your Valentine's Day business sort of stuff, Guys kind of reminding each other. You know, if you listen to Sports Radio six ' ten, you can't help but know it's Valentine's Day. Because, in fact, I don't hear quite as many of those commercials we used to do. I used to get all those live reads when I was on in the morning Drive many moons ago. Yeah, all those you know, this gift and that gives eight or log on and website they have some of it, but I don't. Yeah, I don't hear as much of that anymore because it's all gone online.

That's why it's all gone online, of course. But yeah, my wife is still in La. She went to La just in between work trips and was out there hanging with my daughter so I don't want to say them.

Off the hook, but I mean she'll be back on the nineteenth. So I hope you sent a little text message with some little flowers and things. I send a dozen roses to the house. Did Yeah, yeah, she started pricey shoddy. I know it is it is, but I had like a discount.

She might get mad. You like that much money on me? Yeah, like a one hundred or FTD or whatever, one of those one of those one air flowers. I can't remember which one it was. But I had like a discount. Hey, get thirty percent off roses. So I yet, look at I saw this meme. Single people hate Valentine's Day. Married people hate Valentine's Day. Everybody hates Valentine's.

Day, everybody.

I remember the first Valentine's Day my page and I started going out and we didn't we were twenty two.

I was twenty two at the time.

She's littler in me, and we just weren't thinking anywhere, like let's go to this new Japanese steakouse. I always loved going to japs task or a single. Oh, it was so dumb. We didn't make reservations. It's like an hour forty five minute way. Yeah, I think we end up beat a subway that night.

You need no, you don't need you don't need rezies there. But you know, it's funny because a lot of people do it Saturday night or Thursday, you know, or a night or two away from the actual date, or you make resis or whatever. But anyway, we're here to talk sports. We're here to talk about the Houston Texans in the National Football League where there is no off season, like the deep Voice guy said at the beginning of this program, and we go to the Combine a week from Monday, will be in Indianapolis. As I know, that's great for you. You love watching these college guys work out. And I love being at the combine too. I love it for the convention sense of it, being around all these NFL peeps, seeing all the former Texans employees, coaches, current coaches, and seeing people who do what we do and talking to them and getting the industry best practices going. You just love hearing about all that stuff. Anyway, we'll be talking a lot about that next week in the week after. But tonight, Johnny, it's Friday. We're gonna have some fun. It's Valentine's Day, We're gonna let it all hang out here. Nick Kelly is the new offensive coordinator, introduced to the media and the world yesterday as the new offensive coordinator for your Texans and you and I had John mcclan on, so we talked about it with the General. We talked to Nick himself here in this studio, the Hunday Texans Radio studio. That was very cool, But we haven't had a chance to chop it up together about the new WAYOC. Now that we've had a chance to spend some time with him and just get a taste of what he's like a little bit. We haven't seen him on the field yet, obviously, but we will soon enough, and I can't wait. I think he does bring a lot of energy to the table. I like what he said. Now some people had PTSD when they heard game plan game plan offense, but I like game plan offense. I just don't think the game plan offense worked that well under Bill O'Brien. Now we're d well enough to the tune of a lot of division titles, four of them, and another winning season on top of that, so that was good. But one little note about the Bill O'Brien eraw, which is not so little, is that those teams were successful largely because of the defense, not to the offense. The O'Brien coach teams here had outstanding defenses on many occasions. Led the league in takeaways in fourteen his first year, number three in defense in twenty fifteen, his second year in twenty sixteen is third year number one defense in the league, and right up there in takeaways in eighteen when they had the team record nine game winning streak. Now nineteen they sort of dropped off on defense. The offense beafed it up a little with Carlos Hyde running the ball and Watson doing his thing. But anyway, the point is this that game plan offense wasn't that fruitful in the O'Brien era. But I like that Killy's got a mix of things, a little bit of Patriots, a little bit of Ramseean McVay. So he's been baptized in different waters and his own ideas come to the table. So I think we're all eager to see what he unveils when the Texans finally take the field on offense. So I don't know why it hit me.

I got in the car this morning in I had two I had two thoughts like right away, I don't I don't know why, don't, don't ask me why. But one thing I heard ORed, uh somebody say yesterday at our flagship sports radio six ' ten was and I noticed this too. There are a couple of times when he started speaking, it's like if you closed your eyes, you're like, oh, you're.

Listening to Sean McVay. Yeah.

Yeah, just just the mannerisms and just his energy and just his kind of voice level and all that kind of stuff like you got you got Sean McVay. And I don't know why it hit me, but I wrote down two notes I was. I was sitting at the stop, so I was like, I'm gonna write these down. And I don't know how this. Okay, this didn't come out the way that it was supposed to. But my first thought was, and everybody's talking about mcveay and Belichick, he's been with both and all that kind of stuff, and that I would love to see mcveigh's offense with Bill Belichick's kind of approach to the game because Bill, I think Bill is the best game manager that I can ever remember seeing as head coach, and Bill was and could go down as maybe the greatest defensive coordinator there's ever been. I just felt like Belichick had an understanding of what the game was at that time, Like there's so many NFL clips where he would walk over and you would see him talking to a defense or offense and he talked to his defense and he'd be like, guys, this game is all about slants and incuts, slants and incuts. Like he knew the style of game and the type of game it was going to be, which I think is hugely important for an offensive coordinator to know, like, Okay, what kind of game is this going to be? Is it gonna be one of those that we got to slog our way through? Is this going to be one where we can open it up a little bit? And you go in there with the plan. And that's why I asked him the question about adaptability, because I think adapting in a game is huge and it's what Belichick, I thought, and his staff did so very well. Like you go in there with a thought of the game is going to be one way, but then you're like, oh wait a second, we gotta adapt, we gotta change because it's kind of turning out to be this, and Belichick had a great way of understanding what that was and then coaching the game to that particular game. But I really like mcveigh's offensive scheme. I like the motion in the movement because having you know, played in the secondary where when you get motion. Now, back back in the day, way back in the day, you didn't get a lot of motion. But when you got motion, you're like, Okay, you've got to change the strength, you got to move, you gotta rotate. Then you got to make sure everybody rotates your coverage. Are we all on the same page here? And boom the ball snapped and you're still trying to communicate and they're popping one on you. And I think the Eagles did that a few times to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl.

So I would like to see.

Mcveigh's kind of scheme with kind of Belichick's approach and game management, if that could be. What kind of Nick on an offensive scale does that.

The other one is this, I think that Nick is a coach, and.

I think there's a difference between mean being a coach and a coordinator. And I think when you know, when Bobby, Bobby was more the coordinator type. I think when you're and not saying that Bobby was a coach, I mean Bobby was the son of a coach. He know it's not a coach, But I think Nick has coached the tight end position for a long time. He's been that position coach for a long time, and I think that is something that's going to help him understand the various needs, uh and requirements of all the different positions, like understanding being that position coach. But I get a very coach vibe from Nick, which I think when you when you step back and you understand that you've got this scheme and and and not that I mean, look, the immediate comparison is like you compared to Bobby, You compared to Bobby.

Yeah, you know.

But I do think that being a coach and having been that position coach for a while will help down the road as he does this and adapting and knowing what his players can do and can't do. And that was one of the things that you and I talked about a lot in twenty twenty four, and sometimes it was on air, sometimes it was off that there were things and I would show you, like look at this play Mark and there was a great example of that. Like we were at New York playing the Jets, and we know the Jets are a penetrating defense, right, I mean, they're gonna get upfield, They're gonna create havoc.

And there was there was.

A pass protection that I showed you that we looked at and we're like, this is asking our guys to do something that I don't think like if you had five all pros up there that they could do that. This, you know, like you're asking You're asking Jewe Scrugs to get all the way over out to almost the tackle position to block back on Javon Kim Law, who's just gonna sprint straight up field against the particular protection that they had. Well, immediately kin Law gets for you know, he gets heat on CJ. CJ's got to move around. We end up throwing the ball away. Now it's started twelve, and I just remember thinking that on the.

Blackboard, that probably looks good.

It probably I mean, I've I've done a million times I've drawn up playing going well, looks good when I draw it up.

Yeah, it should should work, It should work.

But then you got to step back kind of thirty thousand foot level. Ongo, are we asking our guys to do something that they can He talked about that, and that's huge exactly. So, Uh, I just think that Nick, just having been a coach in the position room and hearing those concerns, especially from the tight ends, knowing how the tight ends work with the offensive line and all that, I think it's going to be hugely important. The other thing that he brought up was, you know, it's all eleven because that guy brought up in reference to protection, and I was glad he said that because he's right. When you think about pass protection, when when the fans think about pass protection, immediately what I think about it think about the offensive line, right, Yeah, and the offensive line is obviously the biggest part of this.

We know that.

But pass protection has to be every whether it's and even the receivers.

Yeah, even the receivers, because the receiver's got to know.

What an exact route to run based on the coverage, to get there as quickly as possible, to be available as soon as possible. That helps the protection, and in turn, the protection helped CJ.

Right, because if you give up a sack and it was because a guy wasn't in the right spot, didn't get out of his break or whatever didn't get open, and now the quarterback is sacked. Whose fault is that the receiver of the quarterback, the old line, whoever was supposed to block this guy or that we always put it on, put it on the old lines. It's too unfair. It's kind of like wins as a quarterback stat it's not entirely up to them. A lot of it is. But you mentioned tight ends. Look at Travis Kelcey in the Super Bowl. He was getting roasted at times, unable to contain people on the edge. Now, I know Kelsey sometimes will give it a nice nudge and then go out, but sometimes he was just beat, you know, or overwhelmed physically. He did not look good in that game. They're a lot little gifts. But to that end, tiny little VID's going around where it's like, wait, dude, you did not have a good game, right, But to that end, you know how good the Eagles are, Yeah, they're great.

Should Travis Kelcey have been one on one with any of the edge rushers from the Eagle, what are you gonna do?

That's my point. That's my point.

You have to be a great coaching staff going in going, hey, wait a second, these guys are really flipping good.

Do we want Travis one on one? We don't like that. Take that, throw that out. We don't need that in the game plan.

We cannot have Travis one on one on an eagle defender.

We need a running back over there with him.

At a minimum, maybe we even need a second tight end over there at a minimum.

You can't leave a tight end one on one. That that's kind of a point.

Is that you have to give your guys an opportunity to succeed.

I mean, as.

Crazy as it sounds like, you can't put Josh Sweat on Travis Kelcey one on one and think it's gonna work.

I thought you asked a great question when we had Nick Kelly here in studio, which was, do you look at every stitch of video in a game plan lens from twenty twenty four or do you say, listen, we're gonna do what we're gonna do, right. I mean, obviously he's got to look at tape, right, but do you feel like you recall certain things like Okay, in this second and seven situation, I would have called this, but instead this play was called it didn't work. If I'm interviewing Nick Keley and I'm Demiko, I got the tape onto I'm saying, what would you call here? What would you call here? This defense would and look, even though he hasn't had time to pour over that particular game plan or whatever was going on that particular week, I would want the answer and a rationale behind it. And Demiko said he learned a lot during this process, and I love that ye interview as many guys as possible, even if you're not going to hire them. I want to know what you know, what you're gonna say to me, and then that'll help me with the next interview, because I got some more information out of you. So I thought that it was a good answer that he gave on the whole process, eventually ending up on Nick Keley. Here's the third one.

And I didn't write this down, but I had this one in my mind, and I'm glad that I that I remembered this. How many times did you hear the word people or person in the in the UH press conference and then also with us? And I thought that was hugely important because you can draw everything up you want on a whiteboard. You can look at everything that you want up there and how you want it to look and what this is great on the this is great on the white board and all that kind of stuff, you know, and you can disseminate to your team and you know, hey, we're gonna run uh you know too scat you know two scat jet protection against this particular. Look, you can talk all the football stuff that you want, but the people have to fit together the right way, and you have to have the right people together. And I'm not saying that you've got to have a bunch of Pollyanna just oh, you know, everything is great and all that, but you got to have the right fit and you've got to have leaders that understand what it takes. And that was you know, when Nick Kayley was asked that question, it was the first thing he said with people starting with the mcnairs to Nick and Dimiko and then thinking about what the coaching staff could be here. And obviously is connection with Cole Popovich, the connection with people and the people that are in this building is huge.

It's massive. The fit. Is this guy the right fit?

You can think about it from a football perspective, Is this guy the right fittit guard? Is this guy the right fit at corners, this guy the right fit at wide receiver. Is this person the right one for this particular team right now? Maybe maybe not? You know, as a young guy with the energy coming in, it's all about the people. This is a people business, whether we want to believe it or not. And that I think is so hugely important. The fact that Nick really recognized that kind of right away and thought, Okay, this is this is a place I want to be because I think I can fit in with the people that are already here. Then obviously you get into the football semantics and all that kind of stuff. But to have the people, to have the infrastructure the way that you'd like to see it, I think is huge. And that was the third one I remembered, was people in them talking about people or a person or whatever the case might be. Demiko saying he's the right person for the job, Nick Keylee talking about the people in the building and all that kind of stuff, And I really think that's been de Miko's approach since he got here. And finding you know, people and coaches that believe in that and want to be in here as a result of that, I think is huge.

Can't wait to see what work he does with this offense, and they'll be back to work well late April. What is it, April twenty First they begin the off season conditioning program, and then a few weeks later after the draft, rookie mini camp and then the rest of it. All the OTAs will be diving back in before you know it, because there is no off season. Like we said from the get go, all right, a few things to get to here. On a wide open Friday, with Valentine's Day going on, many of you headed for the Valentine's Day meal, have a great night. What about this? The Jaguars have come out and said, no, we're not trying to trade Trevor Lawrence because there was a report that the Steelers made the phone call interested in Lawrence, which I was surprised about. Yeah, and I can talk about that all day. But they're interviewing general managers Tony Biselli. We haven't talked about this since we've been back on the air this week. That Tony Biselli is the what is it President of Football Operation, need a VP okay close enough whatever, He's in charge of football operations, So that means he's not going to be the day to day GM. But you brought up a good point before the show, which was who is going to take this job? Well, when somebody's going to take this job, right, what is the process going to be as far as approval of certain acquisitions everything you want to make? Yeah, like, hey, we really want to sign some We want to trade Trevor Lawrence. Oh no, you're not going to trade Trevor Lawrence? Well why not? Me and the coach want to do it? Okay, Liam Cone and I want to make this move. We want to trade Etn. We want to trade Lawrence, We want to acquire this player. That player? Does Biselli have the right to shoot those things down? Obviously the owner can do whatever he wants, But what kind of power does Tony have in making these moves or rejecting them? Yeah? Absolutely?

And I just you know I said to you, I probably said it in stronger words, like what are you interviewing for in Jacksonville? What are these guys interviewing for? Oh, they're interviewing for the general manager job. Okay, I get that they're interview for the general manager job. But what are they gonna do? Are they gonna be glorified scouts? I'll tell you this. I went to the Senior Bowl. This is another team in our division, and I asked someone who is very connected to this particular team talking about Tennessee Titans.

And it was at the time I think I got the senior boll.

I think it was maybe a couple days before Mike Borgonzi, who a Brown University grad. So in a way I'd like him to succeed. In a way I don't. He took the quote unquote general manager job in Tennessee. Now, I say quote unquote because Chad Brinker is already there and has been there. So there's Chad Brinker, who I think is it's kind of the same thing at Jacksonville. I think he has like an executive VP title or director of playper I don't know. And then there's Burganzi, right. So I said to this individual, I said, how is that going to work? Because who's making the final call? Because somebody's going to make a final call when draft day comes and you got to call, You got to make the decision. Who's making the decision to look at the room and go I am drafting X and everybody goes, Okay, great, awesome, call it in who makes that call. I think the more confusing that that is, the more difficult it make it for an organization. And what it does is it creates my guys, his guys, his guys, our guys.

Well, what is what is Borgonzi doing? Though? With Dave Ziegler coming in, coming in, Reggie McKenzie coming in, He's got a lot of guys. Now, these guys. It's good to have these minds right in the building, But what is the hierarchy of approval or rejection of acquisitions?

So I also give you New England the Patriots because you had you had Elliot Wolf come in and I think he's got like a senior VP title or whatever it is. Right, So you got Elliot Wolf comes in. He's there for the year with Drod Mayo, and you think, okay, they're just gonna have these two young dudes just grow this thing together. He and Drod may are gonna grow this thing together. Then all of a sudden, Drod Mayo gets bumped out. Wolf is still there. They don't move Wolf out, They leave Wolf there. Yeah, so Wolf and all the scouts are you know those are you know a Lonzo Highsmith went there because he had experience with the Wolf family.

He had been with Ron Wolf of Green Bay.

So Zoe goes there last year, then they bring in Vrabel, and then Vrabel brings in his guy, Ryan Cowden, and you're like, Okay, Who's who's making a call in charge? Is Rabel in another situation like he was with John Robertson and Ran Karten where he doesn't quite have that's exactly power that you think he might exactly and that that to me ends up being the question that these organizations have to figure out is who makes the final call. Now I've said this before, I said this a million times that there are there are certain situations where the head coach, Like when Pete Carroll's in Seattle, he had a really good general manager, John Schneider, but Schneider didn't make any calls. He fed Carol everything. Pete Carroll made every final great working relationship Kyle. That's exactly right. Same situation, Kyle makes the final call. John and his staff bring him all the candidates, all the idea, you know, all that kind of stuff. Beach and Andy Reid. That's exactly right. So there are ways is done throughout the league. You'll get Tennessee and you go, okay, well you've got Brian Callahan and now you've got Chad Brinker and Mike Borganzi, like, okay, who makes the final call?

And so and neither Well Breaker was there with Callahan hired, right exactly. Borganzi wasn't. So you wonder how he feels about it? Right, So how do you get that?

And so I asked this individual, I said, well, how's that going to go? Who's who's basically in charge? And he said, well, I think the plan is they're going to figure it out. Well that's tough man, holy cow.

And so I look at Jacksonville and I think the same thing.

Like there's with Selly, long time well respected former Texan excuse me, former Jaguar.

Sorry that he goes in there like is he making the call? Is he making a call in the way? Did you see the video that he did when he got the JABSELLI? Yeah, it was very compelling. If you're a Jags fan, I've always wanted to be about the Jaguars. That's it. That's all I ever cared about. But you took the money from the Texans to that's right, you took the money. No, I love you Tony.

You know that.

Come on, I'm just having fun here. They sold a lot of those number seventy one jerseys in two thousand and two. Trust I can imagine.

But I just when I see teams kind of going through this kind of rebuilding, resetting phase or whatever it is, it better be pretty damn clear what you're doing and what you're because I see some of the names of guys that are interviewing for this.

For this job at Jacksonville's GM job, and that would be my first question.

I walk into the interview and I'd be like, Okay, if I'm coming on as GM one of my responsibilities because he's sitting over there, that's Liam Cohen and he's sitting over there with Tony Boselli. Where do I fit in this? Am I going to be just a glorified scout? Because if I am, I'll just stay where I am and wait for a real GM job to come along.

But sometimes they're hard to get. I will give you a kick. Mike Martin. Mike Martin is now the general manager of the Note Tree, a Dame football program, and he was in the Lion's front office as Director of Scouting or whatever his title was so instead of waiting for his NFL GM possibility, he goes to Notre Dame. So these college GM jobs, they're evolving at a feverish pace from what is this, you know? Is it a young guy who's twenty seven, who's great with Excel and numbers and all that, just grinding and finding out who's in the portal and presenting the information to the head coach, and or is it somebody's supervising a staff and they've got their own self imposed cap with the nil money. Andrew Luck going to Stanford. We talked about what's his name, Adrian wo Zanowski going to Saint Bonaventure basketball. They're not doing too well, by the way, but I get it. It's tough. It's Saint Bonaventure. They are located. You cannot get there from anywhere. You have to fly to Buffalo and still drive an hour and a half to get to Saint Bonaventure. It's that brutal to get to that place. You can't believe. They have to be in a lum like he he was. I've done several games on that cam. It's wild anyway. So this position of general manager for these college programs, it's fascinating to me how this is going, because anything's possible at this point. John Robinson interviewed, where did the interview one of the colleges? He was definitely no, he interviewed for the Jaguars position. I know, but he was also interviewing. Oh, you know what. It was South Carolina's head coach a football Shane Beemer, Yes, who I met at the Lombardi Award. He said he talked to John Robinson about the possibility of him coming over. So it was at least an exploratory conversation, maybe not a formal interview. Bill Belichick all right, brings in MI like Lombardi, who wasn't going to get an NFL GM job anymore, but he's a college GM now for Belichick's program. That's fascinating that this is now a possibility for NFL front office people who have general manager in the crosshairs of their career goal. But it's like it's still too far away. I'm going to go to college.

I think this is to me, this is the I'll use an analogy that you will probably shoot down in some way, shape or form, But why is it a classic rock reference?

Kind of kind of like I play guitar. Okay, what would be your next question?

Uh?

Lead electric, that kind of thing, right, you know, I would try to feel out how good you are bass? You know, like what what instrument do you like? Which? Which guitar? Do I play bass? Do I play electric? You would never say you play guitar, No, you're a bassist. A bassis would never say that. Okay, A bassist would say I play bass, okay.

My point being, there are various types of guitar that you can play right and and be good at that. I think it's the same with kind of a general manager. Like a general managers just kind of just catch all title now because that it's in certain places it means different things, right Like Chris Ballad in Indianapolis, Like he's making the decisions Indianapolis and that was kind of part of his deal going to Indianapolis.

But does Shane he couldn't have any well, say so my input.

That's my point in NFL in college, that general manager job is and it's evolved and it's changed to a point that if Mike, like we talked about Mike Martin going to Notre Dame.

When it comes to what Mike wants to do.

In bringing in players in college, It's very easily I could see for him to be overruled by head coach in in now. I don't think Marcus Freeman would do that, but I'm just saying in college, the power structure has always been the head coach is the absolute grand Pooba making all this time.

I have no doubt Marcus Freeman has one hundred control of the situation.

And Belichick has that in North Carolina. But I guarantee you Belichick is going to give Mike Lombardi a lot of authority in personnel and what they do and listen to his opinions and how they go about things as.

Long as he knows the lay of the land properly, and Belichick believes in that. Like here, like Demiko Rans is not going to have a guy on his team he doesn't want on his team, Demko Rans is going to be to say I'd rather not Nick on this particular player, that particular player. There's no question Nick's job is and look they've never come out and said it, but I would imagine Nick's job is to make as many options available as possible for Demiko and staff to you know, look it over and Nick has definite opinions on things. They work together, they found a way to do it, and they're having good success so far.

But here's my thing. Also with Jacksonville in particular, you're bringing Bisselli. How much does Bisselli know about the inner workings of what has been going on? Do you think that Bisselli has been banging college tape and watching college tape and is looking at it going, hey, I like this guy.

Like that guy. I've got notes about this. No, no, But I'll give him credit, Johnny, because I bet that Bisselli knows this. He's a smart dude, and he's thinking, I want a general manager who I can count on, right, and you know he's going to have an opinion, but I trust you and I want somebody I can trust to make these calls. But I want to oversee the football operation because as we all know, there's a lot more to it than just well picking players monumentally important, but there's a lot of understandings of other things as well that he definitely has opinions and really informed ones on.

But he hasn't spent time with an NFL organization other than being in the radio booth, which I you know, we're around it, right, We're around it all the time.

But he is. You know, it's Baselli. So who's gonna kick him out? No, I get it, And you know he's a Hall of Fame player. But I've said this, I've said this a million times.

Man, You people get so locked into well, this guy played in the NFL, so he knows all of it. And I can tell you some of the least smart football players football minds I've ever I've ever seen or heard, have been those people that are like, well, I played in the NFL, I should know. And then you like, no, no, you got to do the work. You gotta do the work, and you've got to understand what this thing is all about.

So I don't know.

I wouldn't mind for Tennessee and Jacksonville have this little GM thing that kind of blows up because I can't figure out who's in charge.

Of who knows what. Let me just a few issues here and there, all right, come it up. Rosenthal wrote something about trade targets and a Texan was mentioned in that my one of my favorite I think this is my favorite color commentator in any sport. He's retiring and some Demico stuff on the way out from his show this season this past season. We'll get to all of it here on Texans Radio. Mark Vandermer and John Harris with you as the show continues here Texans All Access from the Hunday Texans Radio studio. As Greg Rosenthal, who used to be with Pro Football Talk right at NFL dot com, Is.

He still NFL dot com. I think he's still with NFL dot Com. I think he's one of the guys.

Maybe not. I gosh, I can't remember. Guys find a way though, to stick around no matter who they're with. They're kind of now. Rosenthal is not the brand, but he's a brand in football coverage because he was with Pro Football Talk initially and then NFL dot Com.

He's got a podcast called NFL Daily. And I think this picture I'm looking at it right, it shows NFL. It has the NFL symbols on it, so I imagine there's some connection to the NFL. But all his Twitter bio x bio says it's just football. So either way, he's pretty tuned in. He kind of knows this stuff. So he posted a list to a love list. At this point of the year twenty three intriguing and in the parentheses and realistic trade targets.

Realistic so not crazy stuff, not crazy. That guy's calling up sports talk radio like, hey can we get Yeah, no you can't. Can we trade for Patrick Mahomes?

Not that we would or would want to, but yeah, twenty three intriguing in realistic trade targets.

Number one on the list. Who do you think it is? Oh, you told me? I think Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett, Well, because he wants to be traded. The Browns could really use the pick. Yes, they could use some contract freedom. Yes, I read a PFT tweet. They might have had a story on it as well. That Garrett. You know, they're in a situation where, hey, you want Garrett, you got to take on Watson's contract, or at least a chunk of it along with Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett might say, are you kidding? I'm trying to get out of this situation. I don't want to go with him somewhere. And it's not just because of Watson, but he's a part of it, because they're hamstrung Watson deal.

Absolutely, this is when we talked about I think I talked about this a little bit you and I don't think you've talked about this.

What do you think of the rumors of Matthew Stafford going to the Giants in the trade? Well, because what is brother in law coaches there? Right?

They just the Giants just signed Chad Hall, who is Stafford's brother in law. And I think Chad Hall, if I remember correctly, Chadthall is a wide receiver back in college. He's been a college coach pro coach for a while, and the Giants just hired him on their offensive staff. And so there's been some you know, people like, wait a second, Chat Hall, that's I think it's Matt Stafford, Matt Stafford's wife's brother, if I remember correctly.

Okay, whoever he is? My gut reach you talk about gut react reaction. My gut reaction to that is, are you crazy? Stafford? You really want to go to the New York freaking Giants and end up as roadkill. You'll be buried with Jimmy Hoffa at the in the cement dwellings of the meadowlands. Are you insane? You're not gonna make them? Is Matthew Stafford gonna make the Giants that much better? A little better. Yes, that much better. No, Okay, the Giants are a train wreck the way they're set up right now, with the GM making the moves he's made. I know they went to the playoffs a couple of years ago. They did great. Blah blah blah. No, do not do it, your nuts. Stay in LA right off into the West coast sunset the rest of your career. Remember he was drafted in two thousand and nine, he's been around a while. Enjoy the rest of it, because you're still on a playoff team in all likelihood, and you should take advantage of the situation.

Okay, let me present just I'm playing Devil's advocate because I do I do agree with you, all right, I do agree. I think the Giants trading for Matt Stafford would not be great. But what if the Giants could make the trade for Stafford, but they could hang on to the number three overall pick. Somehow, some way they can hold onto the number three overall pick, they draft Travis Hunter to put with Malik Neighbors with Stafford.

Is Hunter going to be a wide receiver or a dB? Probably a receiver, I don't know. I was listening to Pat Kerwin. He said he talked to a GM who said he's not helping himself by wanting to be a two way player. If that's what he wants, yeah, he's got to make up his mind.

Well, I told you, I told you, I told you what I texted. Sean Pegast and I were texting one day and I start thinking about us and I was like, Derek, I said, what if what if we traded all the way up to number two and gave up whatever to get Travis Hunter? Because you know, we had that issue kind of near the end of the season where we're like, who plays.

Our third corner?

Yeah, and then we had the issue at the end of the season of well, we really missed a wide receiver next to Nico. And I'm like, what if we drafted Travis Hunter and he handled the number two wide receiver position next to Nico and then and then became the third corner that you could put Kamari inside and Travis theon locks up the outside guy Like that, to me would end up being perfect because he doesn't have to play one hundred and fifty snaps. Like I've talked to some scouts that are like I've watched him and there are just reps at receiver where he just like whatever because he's so tired.

Yeah, he's so beat So anyways, right, and you've got a block in this up. But let's let's put.

Travis at wide receiver with Malik Dabors, with Stafford, with Tyron Tracy went over one thousand yards with a defense that's got dexter Lawrence, Brian Burns, caveon Thibodeau.

It's not horrible, Like, here's the problem though you're in the NFC. He's been killed by the Commanders and the Eagles. That's the problem. And the Cowboys are just a year off from winning twelve games. Yeah, I know that's the problem. Better next year even with the train well, I don't want to call it a train wreck because maybe Brian Schottenheimer turns out to be a good head coach.

We talked about that a bit last night. Yeah, I mean that that's the problem. And then here's here's a problem that goes along with this. Listen to this home schedule for the Giants at twenty twenty five. My buddy John, we talked to John Schmelk and he was telling me this, we're at to senior role. Hear their home opponents Dallas, Philly, Washington, Okay, Green Bay, Minnesota, Kansas City Chargers, Niners.

Yeah, no, way, can't do it, Stafford, don't do it. Don't do it to yourself. I don't know what I knew about the Giants.

I don't know if I try, And I think the twenty twenty six class the quarterback is going to be a little bit better.

Obviously, Arts Manning's gonna mention and we'll see what Arch does this year's first year as a starter.

But you know, the initial thing, the initial thought on him when you watch him, like, okay, that's NFL quarterback. You know, of course, the Manning pedigree all that kind of stuff, and the Giants ending up down the road with another Manning would suck, but you know, more power. But man at home schedule is tough. But Matt Stafford asked the second question with Matt Stafford, is he in LA in twenty twenty five?

Well, that that's how the talk got started, right Would they make the move now? But they have nowhere else to go? So the Rams really want to take a step back at quarterback. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know why.

I mean, McVeigh said, Stafford was the guy who's looking for But apparently one of the things that they're not all happy about.

Is his wife's got a podcast. All right, she has said some stuff too. She said about the backup quarterback. What she was dating the backup quarterback at Georgia. Yeah, she's dating the backup quarterback at Georgia. That stuff was really damaging. I thought to Stafford, that was not cool. It's not cool for your wife to come out and talk about a guy she was with right while she was to make you jealous. Yeah, that was awful. Now it was intriguing, it's all get out. I wanted to hear it, but for all the wrong reasons, and it can't be good in the locker room. Support your man, honey, you don't do that to your guy.

So the next few I want you to tell me. I want you to tell me, look at it through a Texans lens and just tell me no hell Na or might talk about it.

Okay.

Number three is George Pickens No, no hell hell Na, No, Tyreek Hill hell Na, Cooper Cup hell Na.

Okay, MICHAEH.

Parsons hell Na, Yeah, keep going deepcasts Debo no, okay? You know.

Five years ago, four years ago. Maybe you gotta get away from brand name recognition. Yea, yeah, you're right, Max Crosby, it's not happening. Trey Henderson, Jonathan Allen Commanders interesting, intrigued because anybody in the middle here, because you're asking me about Simmons. Now, that's a tricky sigue Simmons Titans. Yeah, yeah, I don't think they're gonna trade him in in the division, but that trades do happen in division, not in this one, that's right. So I mean, once upon a time, Wes Welker was traded from the Dolphins to the Patriots.

Here have add to your juggernaut. Yeah, the Dolphins, Joy said, Dolphins didn't even believe in Wes Welker, and they're like, yeah, just take him whatever.

Yeah, and then he kills him, okay, and then he becomes the receivers coach later then they fire him.

I know, Number eleven, Jalen Phillips, Dolphins outside that mocker now, No T Higgins, No.

To expense, you can't afford T Higgins. Stop. Number thirteen. Sam Darnold, No, Kirk Cousins no, uh fifteen, Denzel Ward Corner No, We're good.

Number sixteen Titus Howard offensive tackle Texans. Now, remember this is done by Greg Rosenthal, NFL Daily Podcast twenty three Intriguing and Realistic Trade Targets, and he lists Titus Howard at numbers.

So the question changes to would you do it? Would you do it? What are you getting? Yeah? I know that's that's the question. What do you get me the other day? What do you Because look a year ago, Blake Fisher was not a glint in our eye, right and now he's here and you're thinking Blake Fisher can play right tackle for you, and Titus could be the guard. That's how we could go into twenty twenty five. In fact, if you had to ask me more likely to happen that or not? I would say that those three guys in those spots, and I guess juice back at center and you get a guard, a shack whatever. You know, you have a lot of things to talk about in the interior in general, but you'd figure Blake and Titus in the spots where they finished. But now, if you're throwing that at me, it's something I got to look at anyway. You know, if I'm getting something really good in return, because maybe I can draft a guy to take his place.

I think Titus had guard Blake at tackle is I'm not going to ever tell you it's a virtual lock.

But that would be the way I'd want it. Unless they make a move. Larry's going to be back at left tack. Well, people talk about could you trade Look, I don't know, but Laramie's going to be your left tackle. He's one of the best in the league. Anyway. That's it for this segment. We gotta fly, but I want to revisit this on Monday. And Monday is a holiday for a lot of people, but not for everybody, but certainly not for us. And this program will have a fresh one for you on Monday. And coming up, Dimiko Ryans we ask him those questions at the ends of shows where we kind of kick it around a little bit, some off the field stuff. How did they finish up in some of the shows. We'll have that for you, among other things next here on Texans All Access on the way out here on Texans Radio tonight before a big weekend. They're all big, aren't they. But it's a President's Day weekend, so many of you have the day off on Monday. We'll be on full show. Like I said before the break, now before we get to some Dimiko Ryan's stuff, QUB Brown is done as a color commentator. A lot of tragedy in his life, and he's in his nineties now and always brought it at a high level. Hub Brown, even though it's basketball, I know this is a football show, is my favorite TV color commentator ever in any sport. So good, so good in the eighties when the NBA was just in its golden age of television eighties and nineties, I guess. Of course, the Rockets won their titles in the nineties. There was just something different about the league in those decades as opposed to today. I still watch, though I'm not one of these people I watched the NBA. I watch college basketball. I love hoops, but football is the best sport to watch on television. There's no question about that. But anyway, QB, congratulations on a great a great career as a color commentator. Of course, longtime head coach formerly with the Knicks, Bernard King, he coached him back in the day. Man, some of you seasoned listeners are nodding right now, saying, yeah, I remember that, but that means world right, No, we're seasoned. I'm gonna stick with that. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Anyway. During our football season, we have the Demico Ryans Program Monday afternoons at five o'clock, and on the way out of those shows, we'll do a little kicker question, that's what we call them. We do them with Nick two, but we asked Himiko an extra question at the end, non football related usually, and here's a sampling of a few of those that we had on this past season. You've worked other places, but you've always had the connections here. So how has Houston changed in your opinion over the time when you first got here, you know, six oh, what would you say about the evolution of this city? Is it pretty much the same as it changed? We've had a lot of people under there.

It's like, is it even more traffic now? Definitely a lot a lot more people. But you feel the I mean, you.

Feel the diversity here in Houston. Is this a true melting pot of all different cultures and people coming together? And that's that's the world and that's why I see you get a sense of that here in Houston. And it's uh, it's always been a name. I love Houston, love the city, and love everything that the city is about. That it's just a diversity of the people. I think that's changed, you know, a lot since I've been here. But it's also it's just a fun city, sports town that hasn't changed. People are still very fired of and passionate about the sports, about the teams around the city.

And you feel that excitement right from everyone.

No matter where you go, you.

Feel the excitement. Everybody loves sports, loves football. So it's fun to be back in the South where football is key.

Seventeen years ago, it's not that long ago, coach, Yeah, not that long last Tuesday, Yeah, exactly.

What are some of your earliest pro football memories as a little kid and what intrigued you about the pro game as you were growing up in Alabama.

Wow? Oh, that's a good one.

You know, being in Alabama, right, it's all college football.

You're in Alabama all growing up. So for me, it's like, it wasn't.

Much pro football for me growing up. It was Alabama football on Saturdays.

If you call the NFL game. Yeah, okay, but one you know, when it started to click for me, it was of course, it was Dion Sanders.

Yep, right, it was Prime Time.

And just how because I grew up playing baseball, so to see, like it really stuck for me when Prime he played in the baseball game, and then he went played in the football he.

Played in the football game right earlier that day.

Even then Whinn the Finnish played in the baseball game the same day, and Bo Jackson being a baseball football player, Like, that's what it kind of clicked for me. So I started watching the Falcons with Prime, and then later the high school days and started watching the Bucks.

So I grew fun.

So I ended up being a Bucks fan there for a while. Tony Dundee in that group.

Derrick Brooks Brooks, Yes, yes, I watch there, Yes, sir. All right, coach, I'm gonna give you a selection of movies you can watch with the kids, and you gotta pick one. Okay, here we go. Some are Pixar. I don't think Minions is Pixar, but Minions is one of those, right, So Minions up Inside Out Sing or any one of the toy stories. What do you picking, coach? I'm picking sing Singing. There's a sing too also, right, sing too?

Sing is a family favorite.

Of ours.

Everybody knows all the songs, really upbeat, fun movies always.

I'm a big sing fan.

Yeah, it's great because you know the songs. They know the songs. They're old songs. It's good.

We can have a great time and everybody's jumping around singing and dance.

Yep.

Yeah, I like that movie. Sing Sing's a good one. If I'm gonna pick a Pixar film, it's gonna be well, I don't even know if that's Pixar. It's one of those animated movies though, those big time, big screen animated movies that you watch with your kids, and they're so smart because they put those songs in there that you like that they can get to know. Kind of keeps the old music alive. I liking it too. For those who have seen Stranger Things on Netflix, you know, they go that eighties soundtrack big and the kids got to know the eighties songs. And there are a lot of examples of this. I remember back in the day, this is ten fifteen years ago, Guitar Hero was huge as a video game. Is that when it was huge? Anyway, they had all the classic rock songs on there, and all the young people, young teens were getting to know the classic rock songs that I love so much. I love it when you can keep things alive like that. Very cool stuff. Anyway, that's going to do it for the show tonight, Monday Full Program. We had a lot of fun tonight. This show will be available in podcast forms soon enough. You can find it wherever you find your podcasts, and also I recommend the Odyssey app because it gets up there right away. On the Odyssey app where you can find all your sports Radio six ten stuff as well. So enjoy it there and enjoy your weekend. Have a great time. Go Texans.