What's happened?

What's happened?

Everybody?

Everybody?

Welcome to Wednesday edition that Texans All Access from lond Texans Radio Studio.

Welcome to Wednesday edition that Texans All Access from lond Texans Radio Studio.

John Harris your host, and Boyd, we have some AFC South nuggets for you.

John Harris your host, and Boyd, we have some AFC South nuggets for you.

Paul Kuharski, who covers the Titans in Nashville, will join Mark a little bit later. He was there at the Annual Meetings, as with Steven Holder, who covers the Colts and has covered the Colts for a long time. So we're gonna talk a little Titans.

Paul Kuharski, who covers the Titans in Nashville, will join Mark a little bit later. He was there at the Annual Meetings, as with Steven Holder, who covers the Colts and has covered the Colts for a long time. So we're gonna talk a little Titans.

A little Colts.

A little Colts.

But to kick off this show, Mark had a chance to catch up with Cal and Hannah nicknair down at the Breakers for the annual Meetings. Always great stuff coming out of conversations with the McNair's, and I'm just a little envious that I was unable to be there. But as Mark and I have said many times, Mark gets the Annual Meetings, I get the Senior Bowl. To me, it seems fair, but you know, I get mobile, he gets the Breakers.

But to kick off this show, Mark had a chance to catch up with Cal and Hannah nicknair down at the Breakers for the annual Meetings. Always great stuff coming out of conversations with the McNair's, and I'm just a little envious that I was unable to be there. But as Mark and I have said many times, Mark gets the Annual Meetings, I get the Senior Bowl. To me, it seems fair, but you know, I get mobile, he gets the Breakers.

It's you know, a little lopsided in his direction. But my market.

It's you know, a little lopsided in his direction. But my market.

A chance to catch up with Mike Toman, new President of Texans Callahanna McNair caught up with Tamika Ryants and at Casario they all asked where I was. At least I hope they asked, But either way, the McNair sat with Mark and plenty to talk about from the meetings from the Breakers.

A chance to catch up with Mike Toman, new President of Texans Callahanna McNair caught up with Tamika Ryants and at Casario they all asked where I was. At least I hope they asked, But either way, the McNair sat with Mark and plenty to talk about from the meetings from the Breakers.

Here we go, Hannah McNair, Cal McNair joining us at the NFL Annual Meeting at the Breakers in Palm Beats.

Here we go, Hannah McNair, Cal McNair joining us at the NFL Annual Meeting at the Breakers in Palm Beats.

So far, so good.

So far, so good.

I know we have a little bit of the meetings left, but Cal, can you assess.

I know we have a little bit of the meetings left, but Cal, can you assess.

It for us?

It for us?

They were good meetings. I'm glad they're towards the end. I liked being around players and on the field more than being in meetings. But these are things that have to do the business of NFL, and so that's what we're here to do and got most of it behind us.

They were good meetings. I'm glad they're towards the end. I liked being around players and on the field more than being in meetings. But these are things that have to do the business of NFL, and so that's what we're here to do and got most of it behind us.

How'd you like being here, Hannah?

How'd you like being here, Hannah?

It's always fun.

It's always fun.

It's always fun to get together with the other families and the wives and the significant others and just get together this one time of year.

It's always fun to get together with the other families and the wives and the significant others and just get together this one time of year.

We're all actually in the same place, so it's a lot of fun.

We're all actually in the same place, so it's a lot of fun.

It's fat to do a couple of meetings and have some fun and good dialogue in those meetings, and it's.

It's fat to do a couple of meetings and have some fun and good dialogue in those meetings, and it's.

Isn't kind of strange because we're so competitive as a league, all thirty two teams, yet here everybody sort of lefts their hair.

Isn't kind of strange because we're so competitive as a league, all thirty two teams, yet here everybody sort of lefts their hair.

Isn't that what it's like?

Isn't that what it's like?

I think so, especially you know the Monday night reception when everybody's together after a full day of meetings, everybody's ready to just kind of chill and put the put the swords down and enjoy each other's company with the swords down.

I think so, especially you know the Monday night reception when everybody's together after a full day of meetings, everybody's ready to just kind of chill and put the put the swords down and enjoy each other's company with the swords down.

I like that.

I like that.

Yeah, it's beautiful here, but I've been sitting in a meeting room the whole time, so at any rate, No, it is beautiful here and glad to be glad to be here.

Yeah, it's beautiful here, but I've been sitting in a meeting room the whole time, so at any rate, No, it is beautiful here and glad to be glad to be here.

All right.

All right.

International Games one of the focal points here.

International Games one of the focal points here.

A lot of talk about that.

A lot of talk about that.

New areas where various teams can market themselves, things like that. We haven't been out of the country since twenty nineteen. It feels like we're kind of do So what do you make of the big push.

New areas where various teams can market themselves, things like that. We haven't been out of the country since twenty nineteen. It feels like we're kind of do So what do you make of the big push.

Toward International Games?

Toward International Games?

It's just going to add to it seven games this year, more next year.

It's just going to add to it seven games this year, more next year.

What do you think.

What do you think.

I think it's great for the league to expand and look at these countries that have a lot of interest in our game and bring it to the fandom there. We'll be on the list soon. We don't know when, but the League will let us know and we'll be glad to go.

I think it's great for the league to expand and look at these countries that have a lot of interest in our game and bring it to the fandom there. We'll be on the list soon. We don't know when, but the League will let us know and we'll be glad to go.

And that affects so many people, right, affects the entire organization because logistically you've got to get the whole operation to another land, foreign soil.

And that affects so many people, right, affects the entire organization because logistically you've got to get the whole operation to another land, foreign soil.

Yeah, it's it is different from flying to Jacksonville, which we do every year, so we have that one down a little bit better, or Indie where we go every year, So those we have down a little bit and they're little shorter flights, but a lot of similarities there because you're packing all your gear and going and taking everyone with you, you know, a lot of the same ways. When we went to London, we took a lot of our fans with us and sponsors and so that was an added not a complication, but it added a lot to the fun of the trip. And we were there a couple of days.

Yeah, it's it is different from flying to Jacksonville, which we do every year, so we have that one down a little bit better, or Indie where we go every year, So those we have down a little bit and they're little shorter flights, but a lot of similarities there because you're packing all your gear and going and taking everyone with you, you know, a lot of the same ways. When we went to London, we took a lot of our fans with us and sponsors and so that was an added not a complication, but it added a lot to the fun of the trip. And we were there a couple of days.

So I was going there again. You would like to go there.

So I was going there again. You would like to go there.

I'd love to go there to London.

I'd love to go there to London.

Yeah, that was fun. You were there.

Yeah, that was fun. You were there.

I was there.

I was there.

It was great.

It was great.

Australia.

Australia.

Next year it won't be us because it's the Rams hosting and we play them this year, so we'll have to wait a.

Next year it won't be us because it's the Rams hosting and we play them this year, so we'll have to wait a.

While for them.

While for them.

I think it's also different if you're the visiting team than when you're the host team. There's probably a lot more to do. We haven't been a host team out of country yet, but there's probably a lot more logistics that go into it.

I think it's also different if you're the visiting team than when you're the host team. There's probably a lot more to do. We haven't been a host team out of country yet, but there's probably a lot more logistics that go into it.

That's right Mexico with the Raiders that we're hosting that one flag football, a lot of emphasis there, and I know this is something really important to the Texans organization and the league as a whole.

That's right Mexico with the Raiders that we're hosting that one flag football, a lot of emphasis there, and I know this is something really important to the Texans organization and the league as a whole.

Yes, it really is important. You know, we are still in a hard push to get it sanctioned in Texas. We want to be the fifteenth state right now there's fourteen states, and you know, it's just it encourages growth, but it also encourages the scholarships that are available for college.

Yes, it really is important. You know, we are still in a hard push to get it sanctioned in Texas. We want to be the fifteenth state right now there's fourteen states, and you know, it's just it encourages growth, but it also encourages the scholarships that are available for college.

It encourages the higher education.

It encourages the higher education.

So when you're in high school and you're looking for an opportunity to further your education and get scholarships, this is another avenue that you can go down as a flat girls flag football player to get those scholarships into college to help with your further education.

So when you're in high school and you're looking for an opportunity to further your education and get scholarships, this is another avenue that you can go down as a flat girls flag football player to get those scholarships into college to help with your further education.

And it is a lot of growth, but it's like exponential growth that is growing so fast and Hannah's working so hard on it, but it does. It will give opportunities to kids that don't otherwise have that opportunity to go to college. We'll be able to go to college and play a sport and you know, possibly change their lives. So it's really a really great deal.

And it is a lot of growth, but it's like exponential growth that is growing so fast and Hannah's working so hard on it, but it does. It will give opportunities to kids that don't otherwise have that opportunity to go to college. We'll be able to go to college and play a sport and you know, possibly change their lives. So it's really a really great deal.

We're the first ever in the NFL to hold a showcase for girls in Latin America. So we did that in Monterey. I think there were twelve hundred applicants that were there, and so that's just one piece of it. But we're also in El Pasa, we're in Austin, and so we're expanding and we're growing, and part of that is my daughter is still playing. She played in the fall, she's playing here in the spring with the YMCA. We've partnered with the IMCA, we're in most of the YMCA is in Greater Houston. So just those little things that we can continue to grow. Being in all hid high schools, charter schools, a Ley, Fort Bend, all of these different areas and continuing to grow is very very important. But it's also there is such a hunger for the game with female athletes, and it's encouraging and it's fun to be around.

We're the first ever in the NFL to hold a showcase for girls in Latin America. So we did that in Monterey. I think there were twelve hundred applicants that were there, and so that's just one piece of it. But we're also in El Pasa, we're in Austin, and so we're expanding and we're growing, and part of that is my daughter is still playing. She played in the fall, she's playing here in the spring with the YMCA. We've partnered with the IMCA, we're in most of the YMCA is in Greater Houston. So just those little things that we can continue to grow. Being in all hid high schools, charter schools, a Ley, Fort Bend, all of these different areas and continuing to grow is very very important. But it's also there is such a hunger for the game with female athletes, and it's encouraging and it's fun to be around.

Kaitlyn Clark and Serena Williams were here helping promote the cause.

Kaitlyn Clark and Serena Williams were here helping promote the cause.

How was that, Geene Never?

How was that, Geene Never?

I think Caitlyn mentioned she may play in the Olympics in twenty twenty eight.

I think Caitlyn mentioned she may play in the Olympics in twenty twenty eight.

Would you be fine?

Would you be fine?

That'd be amazing.

That'd be amazing.

I have no doubt she probably be could.

I have no doubt she probably be could.

She's an incredible athlete as his Serena. I think it's a It's wonderful to see other athletes from other sports encourage a game the four females that is very important to us.

She's an incredible athlete as his Serena. I think it's a It's wonderful to see other athletes from other sports encourage a game the four females that is very important to us.

So Caitlyn said there wasn't a league that she could play in, otherwise maybe she'd be playing flag instead of basketball. So it's interesting how life work's out.

So Caitlyn said there wasn't a league that she could play in, otherwise maybe she'd be playing flag instead of basketball. So it's interesting how life work's out.

But it's really interesting because you've mentioned it. It's so important to get kids to play when they're young, so especially these girls teams at high school. Great, but you wanted to play young, so they're ready.

But it's really interesting because you've mentioned it. It's so important to get kids to play when they're young, so especially these girls teams at high school. Great, but you wanted to play young, so they're ready.

To go in high school, right, yes?

To go in high school, right, yes?

And you know, Mark, I know that you're a big fan of flag football as well, and I think I believe you've coached it a few years.

And you know, Mark, I know that you're a big fan of flag football as well, and I think I believe you've coached it a few years.

Over a decade. But we won't get into that right now. Let's get into this.

Over a decade. But we won't get into that right now. Let's get into this.

Mike Toleman, new president of the Texans, and we interviewed here as well. There are things for the presidents here to do, meetings and such. Can you tell us about him your thoughts so far as Mike Toba takes over as president.

Mike Toleman, new president of the Texans, and we interviewed here as well. There are things for the presidents here to do, meetings and such. Can you tell us about him your thoughts so far as Mike Toba takes over as president.

He's been with us a month and a half something like that.

He's been with us a month and a half something like that.

He's hit the.

He's hit the.

Ground running, you know, coming to this these meetings, he knew a lot of people here and so it's been a pretty seamless operation and we're really really happy with them.

Ground running, you know, coming to this these meetings, he knew a lot of people here and so it's been a pretty seamless operation and we're really really happy with them.

So it feels like he's been with us for a long time, even though it's been only a couple of months.

So it feels like he's been with us for a long time, even though it's been only a couple of months.

He fits right in. He hit the ground running.

He fits right in. He hit the ground running.

He's very fun to be around because he's so he sees the future and he sees the growth, and he's you know, inspiring so many people around him. I just I love that about him. I think he's great for the organization. I think he's great for the league.

He's very fun to be around because he's so he sees the future and he sees the growth, and he's you know, inspiring so many people around him. I just I love that about him. I think he's great for the organization. I think he's great for the league.

Well, he's talked about he's a real global thinker.

Well, he's talked about he's a real global thinker.

But he's talked about renovation being an emphasis with the stadium.

But he's talked about renovation being an emphasis with the stadium.

What about that? What can you tell us about that?

What about that? What can you tell us about that?

How important it is to get NRG Stadium up to date and beyond.

How important it is to get NRG Stadium up to date and beyond.

Yeah, we need to get it up to date. We realize that We've been doing a lot of research with the county with the Rodeo understand where the stadium is, it's current state, and we'll continue to do that and bring in the information and let that data kind of guide us to where we're going. But it's a very complicated issue one because of we have Rodeo ourselves, the county as owner, and a lot of dates the county controls, and there's a number of facilities there on the site. We're focused on the stadium the rodeo is as well. The Rodeo also uses the arena in the convention Center as well. So it gets very complicated very fast. And we're talking about lease structures that will go out twenty years, thirty years, and we want to get it right to where we don't wind up behind and maintenance and repairs like we are now. So we want to address that as we go forward and come out with a win win for everyone.

Yeah, we need to get it up to date. We realize that We've been doing a lot of research with the county with the Rodeo understand where the stadium is, it's current state, and we'll continue to do that and bring in the information and let that data kind of guide us to where we're going. But it's a very complicated issue one because of we have Rodeo ourselves, the county as owner, and a lot of dates the county controls, and there's a number of facilities there on the site. We're focused on the stadium the rodeo is as well. The Rodeo also uses the arena in the convention Center as well. So it gets very complicated very fast. And we're talking about lease structures that will go out twenty years, thirty years, and we want to get it right to where we don't wind up behind and maintenance and repairs like we are now. So we want to address that as we go forward and come out with a win win for everyone.

I know we have the draft coming up soon enough, but what do you think about what the team has done so far? With Nick Cassario, Demika, Rise have been working on player acquisition.

I know we have the draft coming up soon enough, but what do you think about what the team has done so far? With Nick Cassario, Demika, Rise have been working on player acquisition.

Time of year.

Time of year.

It's an extremely fun time of year for us. As we see Nick and Dimiko put together the team that really Jamiko in visions on the field, and Nick has embraced that, and they're bringing in guys that keep filling those areas to help them, you know, become a really good team. We were good last year and the year before, but to see where we're gonna go this year is extremely exciting.

It's an extremely fun time of year for us. As we see Nick and Dimiko put together the team that really Jamiko in visions on the field, and Nick has embraced that, and they're bringing in guys that keep filling those areas to help them, you know, become a really good team. We were good last year and the year before, but to see where we're gonna go this year is extremely exciting.

All right, the two of you, you have a reputation of showing up at the draft part, so no pressure or anything.

All right, the two of you, you have a reputation of showing up at the draft part, so no pressure or anything.

But is it a reputation now, yeah.

But is it a reputation now, yeah.

It's a history here. I know a couple of years ago we had.

It's a history here. I know a couple of years ago we had.

That historic draft twenty twenty three we see Jade Will and it was absolutely amazing. But every draft feels exciting. And the draft party presented by Midello is at Aveneeda Houston again.

That historic draft twenty twenty three we see Jade Will and it was absolutely amazing. But every draft feels exciting. And the draft party presented by Midello is at Aveneeda Houston again.

So you're gonna be excited about that.

So you're gonna be excited about that.

I know you're gonna be in the draft room, but you never know, we might see you.

I know you're gonna be in the draft room, but you never know, we might see you.

We have been known to drop by, so I don't know if we're ready to commit anywhere yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if we swung by there for sure.

We have been known to drop by, so I don't know if we're ready to commit anywhere yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if we swung by there for sure.

I love being around the fans and the energy, especially around draft time is so much fun because there's so much hope.

I love being around the fans and the energy, especially around draft time is so much fun because there's so much hope.

We all are, you know, growing.

We all are, you know, growing.

In the same direction of we want to win, and so everybody's hopeful, excited, and that's what you're around and the virus just so fun.

In the same direction of we want to win, and so everybody's hopeful, excited, and that's what you're around and the virus just so fun.

I know game day has to be the ultimate, but it's got to be fun for you to a training camp because you get a lot of love a training camp and you throw T shirts out, you get to be really close.

I know game day has to be the ultimate, but it's got to be fun for you to a training camp because you get a lot of love a training camp and you throw T shirts out, you get to be really close.

To the fans as opposed to a lot of other events.

To the fans as opposed to a lot of other events.

I think for me, game day is a mixture of excitement but also stressful and training camp we can relax, be with the fans, have a good time.

I think for me, game day is a mixture of excitement but also stressful and training camp we can relax, be with the fans, have a good time.

You know.

You know.

Again, they're as excited as we are for the season.

Again, they're as excited as we are for the season.

There's hopeful as we are for the season, and so that comes across and we all enjoy being around each other and a big grill out.

There's hopeful as we are for the season, and so that comes across and we all enjoy being around each other and a big grill out.

At the end of the dam.

At the end of the dam.

So that's that maybe one of my favorite days.

So that's that maybe one of my favorite days.

I was gonna ask, so we're gonna do it again this year?

I was gonna ask, so we're gonna do it again this year?

Absolutely committed.

Absolutely committed.

Yes, outstanding. Well thanks so much for joining us. We appreciate it.

Yes, outstanding. Well thanks so much for joining us. We appreciate it.

Thanks thanks Mark, tremendous stuff from cal and Hannah McNair and of course they start talking to training camp there, I'm like I'm in, let's go, let's get the training camp tomorrow.

Thanks thanks Mark, tremendous stuff from cal and Hannah McNair and of course they start talking to training camp there, I'm like I'm in, let's go, let's get the training camp tomorrow.

But we got plenty of do before we get there.

But we got plenty of do before we get there.

We got the draft go ots, get me camps, got all that kind of team building stuff before that. So we'll hold for now. Speaking of holding, we're gonna have little Stephen.

We got the draft go ots, get me camps, got all that kind of team building stuff before that. So we'll hold for now. Speaking of holding, we're gonna have little Stephen.

Holder for you.

Holder for you.

Covers the Colts, has covered the Colts for a very long time, does it as well as anybody?

Covers the Colts, has covered the Colts for a very long time, does it as well as anybody?

He's next right here in Texans All Access.

He's next right here in Texans All Access.

I always worry a little bit when we bring on really good guests that have anything and everything to do with the Indianapolis Colts. As it pertains to Mark Vannymery, he always needs me John Harrish, your host as kind of a buffer. But when Stephen Holder, who covers the Colts, FREESPN dot com steps in, it's okay.

I always worry a little bit when we bring on really good guests that have anything and everything to do with the Indianapolis Colts. As it pertains to Mark Vannymery, he always needs me John Harrish, your host as kind of a buffer. But when Stephen Holder, who covers the Colts, FREESPN dot com steps in, it's okay.

Stevie can handle his own and Mark withholds his Colts hate at least for a little bit.

Stevie can handle his own and Mark withholds his Colts hate at least for a little bit.

Right here with Steven Holder, let's talk a little Colts.

Right here with Steven Holder, let's talk a little Colts.

Stephen Holder, Mark Vanimire right here all.

Stephen Holder, Mark Vanimire right here all.

Right, visiting with Steven Holder here at the NFL Annual Meeting in Palm Beach. Mark VanderMeer with you and Steven from ESPN covers the Colts and the NFL, formerly the Athletic Indie Star, bunch of other places. We knew each other in Miami, my gosh, back in the day when you were with the Herald. But you've been in Indianapolis for a while. Down I know you work on more than the Colts, but this is I mean, I don't know if you've heard my take on the Colts. You know, with the Texans the first decade or so, Peyton Manning was sixteen and two against Houston as a Colt. So no amount of winning against the Colts is going to satisfy me until it goes on for a decade.

Right, visiting with Steven Holder here at the NFL Annual Meeting in Palm Beach. Mark VanderMeer with you and Steven from ESPN covers the Colts and the NFL, formerly the Athletic Indie Star, bunch of other places. We knew each other in Miami, my gosh, back in the day when you were with the Herald. But you've been in Indianapolis for a while. Down I know you work on more than the Colts, but this is I mean, I don't know if you've heard my take on the Colts. You know, with the Texans the first decade or so, Peyton Manning was sixteen and two against Houston as a Colt. So no amount of winning against the Colts is going to satisfy me until it goes on for a decade.

How you doing, Steven, I'm doing well. Well, Listen, they're also good. Start.

How you doing, Steven, I'm doing well. Well, Listen, they're also good. Start.

Let's put it that way in this Tamico Ryans era, I know it definitely seems that way. Well, let's start here. Obviously, the quarterback situation with Richardson, they bring in Daniel Jones. Where surprised at all about that? Not surprised that they were going to bring in somebody. I was a little surprised it was him. Maybe it makes sense, maybe he gets the most out of Richardson. How do you see it, Steven?

Let's put it that way in this Tamico Ryans era, I know it definitely seems that way. Well, let's start here. Obviously, the quarterback situation with Richardson, they bring in Daniel Jones. Where surprised at all about that? Not surprised that they were going to bring in somebody. I was a little surprised it was him. Maybe it makes sense, maybe he gets the most out of Richardson. How do you see it, Steven?

Yeah, I think they told us from the beginning of the offseason that they would likely add some competition, right, So that was not a secret. The question was always going to be, Okay, what constitutes competition, right, And you know, there were some people who sort of threw around the Justin Fields idea. And I've kind of felt from the beginning, like, if you bring in Justin Fields, and I think his contract reflects this, the one he got in New York, if you bring in a guy like that, it's probably not a competition. You're you kind of have to commit, right, You're going to give a guy forty million bucks or something, right, So I think that Daniel Jones was kind of the sweet spot for them, and it made sense for me because but it's also interesting because they're not bringing him in saying, oh, let's see what he can do. Now, They're saying, this is a bona fide competition. They're going to split the red, this is going to be equal treatment. So I'm not necessarily surprised by that, but I do think it's notable that they are not trying to kind of mealy math mealy mouth this. They are saying very unequivocally it's fifty to fifty and made the best man win, and so they have to they now kind of have to commit to proceeding that way, right. They can't sort of do this sort of half heartedly. They have to kind of go forward with this because that's what they have consistently said. So it'll be interesting.

Yeah, I think they told us from the beginning of the offseason that they would likely add some competition, right, So that was not a secret. The question was always going to be, Okay, what constitutes competition, right, And you know, there were some people who sort of threw around the Justin Fields idea. And I've kind of felt from the beginning, like, if you bring in Justin Fields, and I think his contract reflects this, the one he got in New York, if you bring in a guy like that, it's probably not a competition. You're you kind of have to commit, right, You're going to give a guy forty million bucks or something, right, So I think that Daniel Jones was kind of the sweet spot for them, and it made sense for me because but it's also interesting because they're not bringing him in saying, oh, let's see what he can do. Now, They're saying, this is a bona fide competition. They're going to split the red, this is going to be equal treatment. So I'm not necessarily surprised by that, but I do think it's notable that they are not trying to kind of mealy math mealy mouth this. They are saying very unequivocally it's fifty to fifty and made the best man win, and so they have to they now kind of have to commit to proceeding that way, right. They can't sort of do this sort of half heartedly. They have to kind of go forward with this because that's what they have consistently said. So it'll be interesting.

Anthony Richardson, in your opinion, is it salvageable.

Anthony Richardson, in your opinion, is it salvageable.

It's a great question. It's a hard question, I think. I think when a guy is that talented, you still have to say yes, because he can do things that no one can, right, but that's not enough as we as we have seen in the same game where he can make as we saw in last year's season opener, make maybe the play of the year, you know, with a touchdown pass that no one's ever seen. He can make a decisions too, right, that can get your team beat. And that's where that's the the Anthony Richardson experience. It's not that he's not a good player. It's not that he doesn't have his moments. It's that his disparities between the highs and the lows are so dramatic, and they can come in the same game even that you just don't know what you're gonna get. And that's what makes it tough for a head coach or any coach. Really, how do you govern yourself when you just don't know from play to play what you're gonna get. And and then you have on the other end Daniel Jones, who is probably very consistent, and that's also the problem. It's that he's very consistently sort of average, you know, and not special at times. So they are opposites in that regard. With Anthony though specifically, I just do think that the reason I think is salvageable is because the talent is so immense and he's still so inexperienced, saying that the light's gonna come on just you know, immediately here because he has been in the league two years, but there is still that reality twenty two years old.

It's a great question. It's a hard question, I think. I think when a guy is that talented, you still have to say yes, because he can do things that no one can, right, but that's not enough as we as we have seen in the same game where he can make as we saw in last year's season opener, make maybe the play of the year, you know, with a touchdown pass that no one's ever seen. He can make a decisions too, right, that can get your team beat. And that's where that's the the Anthony Richardson experience. It's not that he's not a good player. It's not that he doesn't have his moments. It's that his disparities between the highs and the lows are so dramatic, and they can come in the same game even that you just don't know what you're gonna get. And that's what makes it tough for a head coach or any coach. Really, how do you govern yourself when you just don't know from play to play what you're gonna get. And and then you have on the other end Daniel Jones, who is probably very consistent, and that's also the problem. It's that he's very consistently sort of average, you know, and not special at times. So they are opposites in that regard. With Anthony though specifically, I just do think that the reason I think is salvageable is because the talent is so immense and he's still so inexperienced, saying that the light's gonna come on just you know, immediately here because he has been in the league two years, but there is still that reality twenty two years old.

It's almost with these young quarterbacks and he's not yeah he's young, but he's got two years under his belt, but not the full two years. But it's almost like you wish you could play them in the UFL or something, NFL Europe or something back in the day, just get some experience because OTAs just don't seem to be enough for a lot of these guys.

It's almost with these young quarterbacks and he's not yeah he's young, but he's got two years under his belt, but not the full two years. But it's almost like you wish you could play them in the UFL or something, NFL Europe or something back in the day, just get some experience because OTAs just don't seem to be enough for a lot of these guys.

Yeah, I mean, the whole, the whole quarterback ecosystem is really tough. And it's funny. You know. Chris Ballad, the coach GM, we had this conversation this week and one of the things he says, now, which is interesting, he says, you know, I still wonder if we pushed him out there too quickly. Oh yeah, And I don't know if it's revisionist history, because they were you know, they did it with their eyes open. I mean, they had Gardner Minshew, they could have played Gardner Minshew. He made a choice. So but but being that being said, you know, their wheels are now turning, like, you know, should we have rethought that? You know? And I think that's interesting. And it's not because he's not talented. That wasn't the issue. It's more like, you know, you put him out there, and if they're not ready, are they doing more harm than good? And are you creating bad habits? All of those questions And I don't have the answer. But the reality is there's also the business component. I mean, after this season, they got to make a decision on the fifty year option. Yeah, and so that's also the reality quarterbacks if you extend them first round quarterbacks on an extension. Now they're making forty forty five million dollars a year. Yeah, So I mean, do we really have time to sit around and treat it like the minor leagues?

Yeah, I mean, the whole, the whole quarterback ecosystem is really tough. And it's funny. You know. Chris Ballad, the coach GM, we had this conversation this week and one of the things he says, now, which is interesting, he says, you know, I still wonder if we pushed him out there too quickly. Oh yeah, And I don't know if it's revisionist history, because they were you know, they did it with their eyes open. I mean, they had Gardner Minshew, they could have played Gardner Minshew. He made a choice. So but but being that being said, you know, their wheels are now turning, like, you know, should we have rethought that? You know? And I think that's interesting. And it's not because he's not talented. That wasn't the issue. It's more like, you know, you put him out there, and if they're not ready, are they doing more harm than good? And are you creating bad habits? All of those questions And I don't have the answer. But the reality is there's also the business component. I mean, after this season, they got to make a decision on the fifty year option. Yeah, and so that's also the reality quarterbacks if you extend them first round quarterbacks on an extension. Now they're making forty forty five million dollars a year. Yeah, So I mean, do we really have time to sit around and treat it like the minor leagues?

No?

No?

Right, So I don't know the answer, but it's a tough business.

Right, So I don't know the answer, but it's a tough business.

It's crazy stuff. Steven Holder of ESPN covers the Colts and the NFL joining us on Texans Radio. Where do you think it all went wrong? You know, I played this game a little bit with Titans people. Where did it all go wrong for them? Where did it go wrong for the Colts? Because and let's take it, you know, never mind Andrew Luck not panning out, but that because of the health situation. But that's probably it or am I missing something else?

It's crazy stuff. Steven Holder of ESPN covers the Colts and the NFL joining us on Texans Radio. Where do you think it all went wrong? You know, I played this game a little bit with Titans people. Where did it all go wrong for them? Where did it go wrong for the Colts? Because and let's take it, you know, never mind Andrew Luck not panning out, but that because of the health situation. But that's probably it or am I missing something else?

Steven No, I think that's where it starts, because they were on a trajectory where they were becoming a veteran team at that point in what was that twenty eighteen.

Steven No, I think that's where it starts, because they were on a trajectory where they were becoming a veteran team at that point in what was that twenty eighteen.

Yep beat the Texans in the playoffs?

Yep beat the Texans in the playoffs?

Correct, And so I think they were on a trajectory there with what it was the twenty nine years old I believe at the time Andrew Luck where that's that was the formula? Okay, build up the team around him, which they hadn't done before. So this was the opposite. Okay, hey, now we got the rest of this group together, and now the quarterback's healthy, and now we're rolling. And of course he decided that this was maybe not for him anymore. So I just think that, but there is that reality happened, right, But look, it is what it is. And I think the problem, though, became the inability to solve the quarterback problem in a meaningful way. It's not that they didn't try, it's just they failed at every opportunity, at every attempt. The Jacoby Brissett had his opportunity, they didn't think he was the long term solution. Fair then the Philip Rivers played pretty good for one year and then he decided, yeah, I'm forty years old, I'm done. Of course, right, it makes sense that was never a long term solution either, but it was. It was a temporary solution. Then they said, all right, Carson Wentz, let's see maybe there's something there. Frank Reich had away with him that didn't work, right, So I mean, you're just constantly Matt Ryan another band aid, and so Anthony Richardson really is just the latest in a series of efforts to fix this. If they could fix it, I think they would be a viable team. Yeah, but I don't know that they fixed it. You can't say that they have fixed it, So I don't know where that leaves them.

Correct, And so I think they were on a trajectory there with what it was the twenty nine years old I believe at the time Andrew Luck where that's that was the formula? Okay, build up the team around him, which they hadn't done before. So this was the opposite. Okay, hey, now we got the rest of this group together, and now the quarterback's healthy, and now we're rolling. And of course he decided that this was maybe not for him anymore. So I just think that, but there is that reality happened, right, But look, it is what it is. And I think the problem, though, became the inability to solve the quarterback problem in a meaningful way. It's not that they didn't try, it's just they failed at every opportunity, at every attempt. The Jacoby Brissett had his opportunity, they didn't think he was the long term solution. Fair then the Philip Rivers played pretty good for one year and then he decided, yeah, I'm forty years old, I'm done. Of course, right, it makes sense that was never a long term solution either, but it was. It was a temporary solution. Then they said, all right, Carson Wentz, let's see maybe there's something there. Frank Reich had away with him that didn't work, right, So I mean, you're just constantly Matt Ryan another band aid, and so Anthony Richardson really is just the latest in a series of efforts to fix this. If they could fix it, I think they would be a viable team. Yeah, but I don't know that they fixed it. You can't say that they have fixed it, So I don't know where that leaves them.

They won games with Minshew and what could have should have against the Texans in that final game him in twenty twenty three. Were you surprised that the Flacco appearances didn't go better because they went well for Cleveland the year before by and large.

They won games with Minshew and what could have should have against the Texans in that final game him in twenty twenty three. Were you surprised that the Flacco appearances didn't go better because they went well for Cleveland the year before by and large.

Now, that's a good question, I think. I think with Joe Flacco, you kind of have to have a perfect situation. And in Cleveland they had a very good roster around him. That team is another very Colts like team, you know, just some talent there, and they just can't They just can't solve the quarterback issue. But anyway, in Indianapolis, I think that he kind of cut a little lightning in a bottle in Cleveland too.

Now, that's a good question, I think. I think with Joe Flacco, you kind of have to have a perfect situation. And in Cleveland they had a very good roster around him. That team is another very Colts like team, you know, just some talent there, and they just can't They just can't solve the quarterback issue. But anyway, in Indianapolis, I think that he kind of cut a little lightning in a bottle in Cleveland too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then so when he did get the starting job, or when he did the starting opportunity in Indianapolis, he also had to face two very tough defenses, I believe, Minnesota and Buffalo back to back for a quarterback that you know, hadn't played regularly all season, Like that was tough. That's a tough assignment. And he's also not mobile. So you know, if your offensive line is a tough day, you know that it's in a tough position. So they were giving up some things by playing Flacco, you know, with the lack of mobility, and then you know he doesn't have the same arm magic that he used to. Obviously, no one would at thirty nine to forty years old. So was I surprised that it went as poorly as it did a little, but also I understand it and and ultimately Anthony Richardson gave them more options because of his his athleticism.

And then so when he did get the starting job, or when he did the starting opportunity in Indianapolis, he also had to face two very tough defenses, I believe, Minnesota and Buffalo back to back for a quarterback that you know, hadn't played regularly all season, Like that was tough. That's a tough assignment. And he's also not mobile. So you know, if your offensive line is a tough day, you know that it's in a tough position. So they were giving up some things by playing Flacco, you know, with the lack of mobility, and then you know he doesn't have the same arm magic that he used to. Obviously, no one would at thirty nine to forty years old. So was I surprised that it went as poorly as it did a little, but also I understand it and and ultimately Anthony Richardson gave them more options because of his his athleticism.

Steven Holder of ESPN joining us if it doesn't work this year, and by doesn't work, I mean seven and ten or less, is their regime change with the Colts?

Steven Holder of ESPN joining us if it doesn't work this year, and by doesn't work, I mean seven and ten or less, is their regime change with the Colts?

I would bet yes, okay. And the reason I say that is because you know, this this past offseason was very interesting. You know, you have those end of season you know, the Black Monday situation, et cetera. And the Colts acknowledged while they kept their regime, they did acknowledge that there was some consideration of change because owner Jim Mersey did release that statement that I remember very specifically where he said, I share your frustrations as fans, and we contemplated a lot of a lot of decisions here. So I mean that was pretty remarkable for you to keep your job. But for the owner to say, yeah, hey, I thought about it. Yeah, I get that what you wanted me to fire them, and I thought about it the essentially what he said, that's pretty remarkable. And if that doesn't put you on notice, nothing will, right, So I think they are on notice. They have to win. What that what constitutes winning enough, Well, that's up to the boss, but they have to win. They have to have they have to do something meaningful to change the calculus. I believe this.

I would bet yes, okay. And the reason I say that is because you know, this this past offseason was very interesting. You know, you have those end of season you know, the Black Monday situation, et cetera. And the Colts acknowledged while they kept their regime, they did acknowledge that there was some consideration of change because owner Jim Mersey did release that statement that I remember very specifically where he said, I share your frustrations as fans, and we contemplated a lot of a lot of decisions here. So I mean that was pretty remarkable for you to keep your job. But for the owner to say, yeah, hey, I thought about it. Yeah, I get that what you wanted me to fire them, and I thought about it the essentially what he said, that's pretty remarkable. And if that doesn't put you on notice, nothing will, right, So I think they are on notice. They have to win. What that what constitutes winning enough, Well, that's up to the boss, but they have to win. They have to have they have to do something meaningful to change the calculus. I believe this.

Year top two needs in the draft for the Colts.

Year top two needs in the draft for the Colts.

Yeah, I would say, uh, tight end for sure, and it corresponds well with the depth of the draft they had. They were number thirty one in terms of tight end production last season. You can't do that right. So, but offensive I think they're in good shape. Defensively, they addressed the other big league, which was the secondary, so I think they hit though, So I'd say, get your tight end if you can. And then I actually think offensive line to a degree. It's maybe something they're downplaying, but they lost two starters to free agency, Ryan Kelly and Will Fries. Role Fries not a household name, but he got fourteen million a year from the Vikings, so people around the league really think that he is entering his prime. So they've got to regroup on the offensive line, and that's that's an area where they have been very solid and for the first time in a long time, they're gonna have a lot of shake up there, so they need to address that.

Yeah, I would say, uh, tight end for sure, and it corresponds well with the depth of the draft they had. They were number thirty one in terms of tight end production last season. You can't do that right. So, but offensive I think they're in good shape. Defensively, they addressed the other big league, which was the secondary, so I think they hit though, So I'd say, get your tight end if you can. And then I actually think offensive line to a degree. It's maybe something they're downplaying, but they lost two starters to free agency, Ryan Kelly and Will Fries. Role Fries not a household name, but he got fourteen million a year from the Vikings, so people around the league really think that he is entering his prime. So they've got to regroup on the offensive line, and that's that's an area where they have been very solid and for the first time in a long time, they're gonna have a lot of shake up there, so they need to address that.

Looked like they were gonna be great for a decade, but as I say that, in today's NFL, it's hard to keep a line together. You look at the Chiefs, they've overhauled it several times. The Patriots when they were rolling, overhauled it a lot. You can't keep five guys, you can't keep five hogs in there for a decade. It's too tough. They get paid elsewhere, right.

Looked like they were gonna be great for a decade, but as I say that, in today's NFL, it's hard to keep a line together. You look at the Chiefs, they've overhauled it several times. The Patriots when they were rolling, overhauled it a lot. You can't keep five guys, you can't keep five hogs in there for a decade. It's too tough. They get paid elsewhere, right.

I mean, And frankly they let a guy like Will Fries go, who they love. The reason is well, they got to pay the left tackle next year, right, or perhaps even this year if they do it early. So you're paying Quintin Nelson twenty one million dollars a year at left guard. Great player, but I mean, how much are you going to spend on the offensive line? Ultimately, right, so they've got they had to restructure the right tackle Brayden Smith to bring his cap number down. He's been in and out of the lineup. They say he's good, we'll see. So they've had some decisions to make on that offensive line. They have some young guys up and coming who I think they're optimistic about. Rightfully so, but you're right. I mean, it's just there's too many moving pieces, the money's getting higher, and the investment is just so much that sometimes you just got to let guys go and move on.

I mean, And frankly they let a guy like Will Fries go, who they love. The reason is well, they got to pay the left tackle next year, right, or perhaps even this year if they do it early. So you're paying Quintin Nelson twenty one million dollars a year at left guard. Great player, but I mean, how much are you going to spend on the offensive line? Ultimately, right, so they've got they had to restructure the right tackle Brayden Smith to bring his cap number down. He's been in and out of the lineup. They say he's good, we'll see. So they've had some decisions to make on that offensive line. They have some young guys up and coming who I think they're optimistic about. Rightfully so, but you're right. I mean, it's just there's too many moving pieces, the money's getting higher, and the investment is just so much that sometimes you just got to let guys go and move on.

Steven Holder of ESPN joining us on Texans Radio covers the Colts and the NFL with the Jags and the Titans. Is it the easiest thing to say, Oh, the Jags are more likely to take a big jump because they got Trevor Lawrence. Although are we missing something? Is it really not there? And can more possibly this difference maker from the get go? It can happen. We saw it with Jayden Daniels, we saw it with c. J. Stroud.

Steven Holder of ESPN joining us on Texans Radio covers the Colts and the NFL with the Jags and the Titans. Is it the easiest thing to say, Oh, the Jags are more likely to take a big jump because they got Trevor Lawrence. Although are we missing something? Is it really not there? And can more possibly this difference maker from the get go? It can happen. We saw it with Jayden Daniels, we saw it with c. J. Stroud.

Look, I think there are rightfully questions about Trevor Lawrence. Ultimately you can talk about a couple of you know, sort of huge moments that he has had, but ultimately beyond that, it's nothing but questions.

Look, I think there are rightfully questions about Trevor Lawrence. Ultimately you can talk about a couple of you know, sort of huge moments that he has had, but ultimately beyond that, it's nothing but questions.

Yea.

Yea.

And I think that is my issue with Trevor Lawrence. I mean all of the other sort of elite young quarterbacks that you know, we probably use the word elite too loosely and I don't want to do that here. Really good the highly drafted, right, you know, quarterbacks who have been extended and so forth. They have changed the calculus for their teams. And I can't truly say that about Trevor Lawrence. They had a run, certainly a couple of years ago, but that was a run. There was no consistency there. So what are we talking about? And I think that's that's what he has to address with his play. It's up to him, all right.

And I think that is my issue with Trevor Lawrence. I mean all of the other sort of elite young quarterbacks that you know, we probably use the word elite too loosely and I don't want to do that here. Really good the highly drafted, right, you know, quarterbacks who have been extended and so forth. They have changed the calculus for their teams. And I can't truly say that about Trevor Lawrence. They had a run, certainly a couple of years ago, but that was a run. There was no consistency there. So what are we talking about? And I think that's that's what he has to address with his play. It's up to him, all right.

I'm asking everybody this the Chiefs. Will the reign of terror continue? Or is it over?

I'm asking everybody this the Chiefs. Will the reign of terror continue? Or is it over?

This year? I can't bet against them, right, I mean, they just keep reinventing themselves. I do think it's getting harder though, you know, they look at how they've handled themselves offensively. They have basically over the last few years. They basically made a decision. I'm over simplifying, but they made a decision to say, Okay, we have the greatest quarterback in the league, we have this generational tight end, and then we've got a couple of pieces on the offensive line, and then we'll figure out the rest. I mean to let Tyreek Hill walk out the door, right, So, and the quarterback was good enough to make everybody's level rise and figure it out. I do think that's getting harder. I mean, the offensive line has been slippish there. Kelsey is not the same player. This is probably it, right. I'm mildly surprised he's coming back. He looked like a different player super Bowl. Yeah, and so it'll be interesting. This is I think the biggest test yet. You know, how do they regroup from that Super Bowl? How do they tinker with this roster? But what they have done, their model don't make sense, and they they think of it this way, Okay, we have two or three or four untouchable pieces, and then we can figure out the rest. Chris Jones being one of those, obviously, And I give them a lot of credit for taking that approach. A lot of teams for better or worse. We'll say, no, we can't lose that guy. We got to pay him. And then you get bogged down with a bad contract or something and the chiefs are like, no, we're not going to do that. You know it's bold, but it's worked, right. So but I think that is that sustainable, like to be a dynasty. I don't know. We'll see, we'll see, all right.

This year? I can't bet against them, right, I mean, they just keep reinventing themselves. I do think it's getting harder though, you know, they look at how they've handled themselves offensively. They have basically over the last few years. They basically made a decision. I'm over simplifying, but they made a decision to say, Okay, we have the greatest quarterback in the league, we have this generational tight end, and then we've got a couple of pieces on the offensive line, and then we'll figure out the rest. I mean to let Tyreek Hill walk out the door, right, So, and the quarterback was good enough to make everybody's level rise and figure it out. I do think that's getting harder. I mean, the offensive line has been slippish there. Kelsey is not the same player. This is probably it, right. I'm mildly surprised he's coming back. He looked like a different player super Bowl. Yeah, and so it'll be interesting. This is I think the biggest test yet. You know, how do they regroup from that Super Bowl? How do they tinker with this roster? But what they have done, their model don't make sense, and they they think of it this way, Okay, we have two or three or four untouchable pieces, and then we can figure out the rest. Chris Jones being one of those, obviously, And I give them a lot of credit for taking that approach. A lot of teams for better or worse. We'll say, no, we can't lose that guy. We got to pay him. And then you get bogged down with a bad contract or something and the chiefs are like, no, we're not going to do that. You know it's bold, but it's worked, right. So but I think that is that sustainable, like to be a dynasty. I don't know. We'll see, we'll see, all right.

So personal question. You've lived in Tampa, Miami, Indianapolis, and John Harris and I, who I do shows with, we always say we like going to Indianapolis. We love going to the Combine, we like downtown in a lot of people do. We've stayed in the suburbs too when we played the Colts, and we enjoyed out there. It's actually a nice place to live. As much grief as I give the Horseshoe, it's a nice place to live, right, I agree with that.

So personal question. You've lived in Tampa, Miami, Indianapolis, and John Harris and I, who I do shows with, we always say we like going to Indianapolis. We love going to the Combine, we like downtown in a lot of people do. We've stayed in the suburbs too when we played the Colts, and we enjoyed out there. It's actually a nice place to live. As much grief as I give the Horseshoe, it's a nice place to live, right, I agree with that.

And so look as I sit here and look at the palm trees, which I don't have anymore having grown up in Miami. But look, you sacrifice some things no matter where you go, right, So I will say this, I love Houston. Your traffic is awful. Okay, I don't have that problem. Number one. Look, there's something to be said for the Midwest, and I am not a Midwest guy. I'm not from there and moved there as an adult. The Midwest is a unique place. The people are different, right, That is a real thing. The cost of living is not bad, right, that's also notable. And I just think particularly what drew me to Indianapolis too was the sports fandom. As someone who works in sports, it means so much more to those people, you know, and being from Florida, I lost a little bit of that. You know, people here transient, they move from other places.

And so look as I sit here and look at the palm trees, which I don't have anymore having grown up in Miami. But look, you sacrifice some things no matter where you go, right, So I will say this, I love Houston. Your traffic is awful. Okay, I don't have that problem. Number one. Look, there's something to be said for the Midwest, and I am not a Midwest guy. I'm not from there and moved there as an adult. The Midwest is a unique place. The people are different, right, That is a real thing. The cost of living is not bad, right, that's also notable. And I just think particularly what drew me to Indianapolis too was the sports fandom. As someone who works in sports, it means so much more to those people, you know, and being from Florida, I lost a little bit of that. You know, people here transient, they move from other places.

It's different, right, They're palm trees. There's a lot to do, exactly.

It's different, right, They're palm trees. There's a lot to do, exactly.

It really is a little bit of southern California. And in Indy you cover the Colts. People stop me at Costco and everywhere I go. I mean, like you're the Colts guy, and it means so much to them. It's a smaller town too, write So it's just there's a different feel and environment to it from the sports landscape that I really liked. Yeah.

It really is a little bit of southern California. And in Indy you cover the Colts. People stop me at Costco and everywhere I go. I mean, like you're the Colts guy, and it means so much to them. It's a smaller town too, write So it's just there's a different feel and environment to it from the sports landscape that I really liked. Yeah.

No, I've lived in that part of the country close enough to it, and I agree with you, there's something about it. There's something special about it, no question. One question on the newspaper industry or whatever. If I told you when you were working for the Herald covering the hurricanes that now internet writing was happening, but newspapers were way more powerful than they are now. Obviously, what is your take on the whole industry. I mean, you've worked for the Athletic, which is really cool behind a paywall. ESPN some of it's behind a paywall. It's really interesting how it's all shaping up. What are your thoughts on it?

No, I've lived in that part of the country close enough to it, and I agree with you, there's something about it. There's something special about it, no question. One question on the newspaper industry or whatever. If I told you when you were working for the Herald covering the hurricanes that now internet writing was happening, but newspapers were way more powerful than they are now. Obviously, what is your take on the whole industry. I mean, you've worked for the Athletic, which is really cool behind a paywall. ESPN some of it's behind a paywall. It's really interesting how it's all shaping up. What are your thoughts on it?

So it's a it's a tough business in a lot of ways, but I also think it's what we have seen, is the evolution that I've seen from you know, being or entering the business maybe like a very late nineties to now is so interesting. What I tell, for example, young journalism students, which number one is are you sure? The second thing I tell them is, look, you're it's information. It just gets disseminated in different ways. So we've got to figure out, like what are the best ways how to deliver it effectively? What do people want? And and that's that's kind of where we are. So I look at it this way. Look, I'm doing fundamentally the same job I've always done, and so are you right? We all are. We're fundamentally doing the same job. The way we do it is going to change today, tomorrow, the next day all the time. But fundamentally people want the information, they care about the content, and we got to figure out like the best ways to do it. But it is, it is, it's a it's an evolving business and sometimes it takes a minute to figure out, like what's the best route. And that's where we are right now. We're trying to figure out where are we going and how do we get there? So we'll see.

So it's a it's a tough business in a lot of ways, but I also think it's what we have seen, is the evolution that I've seen from you know, being or entering the business maybe like a very late nineties to now is so interesting. What I tell, for example, young journalism students, which number one is are you sure? The second thing I tell them is, look, you're it's information. It just gets disseminated in different ways. So we've got to figure out, like what are the best ways how to deliver it effectively? What do people want? And and that's that's kind of where we are. So I look at it this way. Look, I'm doing fundamentally the same job I've always done, and so are you right? We all are. We're fundamentally doing the same job. The way we do it is going to change today, tomorrow, the next day all the time. But fundamentally people want the information, they care about the content, and we got to figure out like the best ways to do it. But it is, it is, it's a it's an evolving business and sometimes it takes a minute to figure out, like what's the best route. And that's where we are right now. We're trying to figure out where are we going and how do we get there? So we'll see.

All right, Steven, thanks a lot for joining us, right.

All right, Steven, thanks a lot for joining us, right.

You got it.

You got it.

Wonderful stuff there was Stephen Holder, as good a journal as there is in this business. Another one who has branched out on his own, Paul Kuhars.

Wonderful stuff there was Stephen Holder, as good a journal as there is in this business. Another one who has branched out on his own, Paul Kuhars.

He covers the.

He covers the.

Titans as well as anybody who's been doing it since the Tide's got there in nineteen ninety nine. Let's talk with Paul. Cars connect right here in Texas All Access. We won final segment this edition to Texas All Access from the day Texans Radio studio. John Harris glad to be with you, as Mark was in the breakers for the annual meetings, owners, meetings.

Titans as well as anybody who's been doing it since the Tide's got there in nineteen ninety nine. Let's talk with Paul. Cars connect right here in Texas All Access. We won final segment this edition to Texas All Access from the day Texans Radio studio. John Harris glad to be with you, as Mark was in the breakers for the annual meetings, owners, meetings.

Whatever you want to call him. Had a great time there.

Whatever you want to call him. Had a great time there.

Talk to a number of different Texans, folks of the highest order, Nick Demko, Mike Toman, also the mcnairs. You missed that, go to our podcast because they were on the show earlier. He also talked to AFC South in the No Individuals. We had Stephen Holder from ESPN covering to COLSS a second ago. Now it's Paul Karski, the feisty one who covers the Titans for Paul Karski dot Com. Market a chance to catch up and talk all things Titans number one pick what's going on there in Nashville.

Talk to a number of different Texans, folks of the highest order, Nick Demko, Mike Toman, also the mcnairs. You missed that, go to our podcast because they were on the show earlier. He also talked to AFC South in the No Individuals. We had Stephen Holder from ESPN covering to COLSS a second ago. Now it's Paul Karski, the feisty one who covers the Titans for Paul Karski dot Com. Market a chance to catch up and talk all things Titans number one pick what's going on there in Nashville.

It's Paul Karski with Mark.

It's Paul Karski with Mark.

It's fun to visit. It's always entertaining to visit with you because we talked Titans and everything else in the AFC South and you've got opinions and I like that. So no question, cam Ward in your opinion.

It's fun to visit. It's always entertaining to visit with you because we talked Titans and everything else in the AFC South and you've got opinions and I like that. So no question, cam Ward in your opinion.

I think there's still a little bit of question.

I think there's still a little bit of question.

I've been putting it at eighty seven percent, and I've come a long way.

I've been putting it at eighty seven percent, and I've come a long way.

I've thought I did think for a long time.

I've thought I did think for a long time.

You know, you could pass on a guy who's got some wards that are familiar to the organization in terms of decision making and accuracy. Right next year, bigger pool of collectively better guys trade out of one, Let somebody else have them collect picks, fill out a rosta that's really deficient and.

You know, you could pass on a guy who's got some wards that are familiar to the organization in terms of decision making and accuracy. Right next year, bigger pool of collectively better guys trade out of one, Let somebody else have them collect picks, fill out a rosta that's really deficient and.

Go from there.

Go from there.

But I mean, that's an awful big ask of an organization that's sitting at number one with the clear cut best quarterback.

But I mean, that's an awful big ask of an organization that's sitting at number one with the clear cut best quarterback.

In the draft.

In the draft.

And Will Levis in your building.

And Will Levis in your building.

Yeah, that they seemed to be probably falling for. And you know, also, you know they're under so much strained for being bad and being dysfunctional, then they're going to be the smartest guy in the room and trade out of a quarterback when their quarterback needy. I think it's that would be a very tough thing to do, even if you didn't really like them as much as you should.

Yeah, that they seemed to be probably falling for. And you know, also, you know they're under so much strained for being bad and being dysfunctional, then they're going to be the smartest guy in the room and trade out of a quarterback when their quarterback needy. I think it's that would be a very tough thing to do, even if you didn't really like them as much as you should.

Where in your opinion or when did it all go wrong? Obviously you look at twenty twenty two and they're going good, but they have that championship game for the division and lose it, and they were sliding before that. What led to all that? In your opinion, it seemed to be going so it was going so well for Abel Derrick, Henry Tannehill okay, but it was hanging in there. What do you think I.

Where in your opinion or when did it all go wrong? Obviously you look at twenty twenty two and they're going good, but they have that championship game for the division and lose it, and they were sliding before that. What led to all that? In your opinion, it seemed to be going so it was going so well for Abel Derrick, Henry Tannehill okay, but it was hanging in there. What do you think I.

Think it started to go badly. I might have the year wrong.

Think it started to go badly. I might have the year wrong.

Twenty twenty first round pick twenty six or twenty eight Isaiah Wilson, right tackle. Played four snaps for him. They traded him for like a conditional seventh to Miami. He showed up late, got cut by the Dolphins. Just a disastrous first round pick. Was the start of Isaiah Wilson, a player they've been chasing forever. They drafted Dylan Raidin's in the second round to play right tackle, didn't pan out. They drafted Nicholas petite Frere in the third round the next year for right tackle.

Twenty twenty first round pick twenty six or twenty eight Isaiah Wilson, right tackle. Played four snaps for him. They traded him for like a conditional seventh to Miami. He showed up late, got cut by the Dolphins. Just a disastrous first round pick. Was the start of Isaiah Wilson, a player they've been chasing forever. They drafted Dylan Raidin's in the second round to play right tackle, didn't pan out. They drafted Nicholas petite Frere in the third round the next year for right tackle.

He was a disaster in his third year last year.

He was a disaster in his third year last year.

I mean you could trace it all the way to Dan Moore, who they'd just paid, you know, twenty million dollars a year as a free agent from Pittsburgh. Who's going to play left tackle and move jac Latham to right tackle. So they've been chasing that position for over four years. But then that set off first round with Caleb Farley as a first rounder who's a bust a cornerback often injured. Was injured at Virginia Tech. Traylon Burks after a trade of aj Brown for an organization that never finds wide receivers. So three bad first round picks there, and the mojo John Robinson and Mike Vrabel, both with big egos that ultimately cost them their jobs, and bad hires to replace, starting with Ran Carthon the GM who only lasted two years.