Hello Texans, Welcome to the show, and we've got a lot to go over tonight around the league, around the building at RG Stadium. That's where we are, the Hyundai Texans Radio Studio. Mark vandermir, John Harris with you, joined in person by the General, John.
McClain in general.
And we all met Nick Keley today if we hadn't met him already, the new offensive coordinator for the Houston Texans, so that happened. In fact, we're gonna have a little visit with him a little bit later on, so look forward to that new OC. But the OG General is with us, John McClain. What did you think of meeting Nick Keyley.
I thought that he has unbelievable energy, and a couple of times I closed my eyes and I could hear Sean McVay. He's got mcvay's type of personality, Thank goodness. He doesn't have Bill Belichick's type of personality. He coached aner Bill, of course, but I could just hear McVeigh. And I talked to some coaches that go again, it's McVeigh and they said that the hallmark of his offense, I'm guessing it's going to be that here, And they can't say that, but is it's all about motion and how McVeigh believes by using motion you can tell what the defense is doing. And it puts a lot of pressure on the quarterback because he's got to recognize it and adjust accordingly. And so it can't wait to see how that dynamic plays out. And to me, he's not the coach under the most pressure. That's the offensive line coach, and that would be Kole Popovich who was promoted. So they know each other very well from working together in New England. Can't wait to see how it works out. We won't know for sure till they play their first game, but he Nick Kayley is a very very impressive talker and one of the things I like about him, he's from Canton. He was interning at the Hall of Fame when he met his wife who was there and the rest is history. So he's really fired up to be down here and he should be because to Miko, Lee's the offensive coordinator alone, he wants to know what's going on. Of course, but that's Nick Cayley's baby, and of course you know he'd like to be a coach someday.
General let's rewind a little bit because I don't know that we've talked to you since the decision was made to relieve Bobby as the offensive coordinator. So let's start there with the decision to relieve Bobby and we'll get to Nick obviously. But your thoughts about Bobby Slowick being removed from that role. I know you had talked about this, well, do off the air with us, your thoughts about that happening. You were pretty sure that was going to happen. What I remember talking to you about it your thoughts about Bobby being removed from that position, and then the challenge that Nick is going to face and one of the things he has to do to make this decision right for Demko on his team.
First of all, Bobby is a good coach and I'm glad Mike McDaniel hired him the reunited being with Demko and Kyle Shanahan on his staff with the forty nine ers, and Bobby did a tremendous chop in first year. This year, it's weird. They finished ten and seven in regular season and in two playoff games they won the average thirty five points. And he got fired. And I asked Amko about how hard it was and you knew it was hard because that's one of his best friends. And I was told years ago a first time coach is worst staff is his first one because he aires his friends and the ones can figure it out. You got to make hard decisions with your friends are the ones that if the best chance to succeed. And I think Bobby will be an offensive coordinator again, maybe.
A head coach.
But the fact is the offense was out at sink all season and it starts up front. If they don't get the protection issues worked out, especially on the interior, they're going to just be spinning their wheels.
And Demiko knows that. Nick Kaylee, he knows that.
So I'm looking really looking forward to win they get in the regular season and we see if CJ. Stroud actually has some time to throw. Because when I watch the Super Bowl with moms, the guys beating the blocks right off the snap, it reminded me so much what Stroud went through this season.
I'll give you a thought on that real fast.
I feel like and going back and watching the games, I feel like the biggest issue with the offensive line where there was too many times where they didn't have the right protection for that it wasn't so much them getting beat one on one all the time, you know what I mean? Like, if you go back and look at the green Bay game, how many times did guys come free because the protection was wrong or was executing the call was wrong? So to me, that's got to be part of it, John, is that they know what to do, They know how with this stunt. This is how they're going to protect it. They know what this look. This is how they're going to to protect it. But I think I heard Seth say it that they gave up more pressures to and I can't remember how he phrased it, but essentially it was unblocked pressures, not knowing who to block as opposed to guys she's getting beat all the time. And look, I'm not there was plenty of that too, but it was it was more so the guys that they let get free. I think of the green Bay game because I just remember Xavier McKinney running free off the edge and nobody touched him, and it happened numerous times throughout the year.
In the Minnesota game, is the same.
Way, guys came free too often, And to me, Nick Hayley, Kole Popovich then putting their heads together.
Danny Barretts running backs coach.
Knowing who to block ends up being the biggest thing to fix these protection issues.
Okay, well it was in twenty twenty three they didn't have these issues and they had the same coaches and backup players spots, and it was then they miss used the personnel could be you know, it was look poor coaching to me, poor playing.
And they also saying was bad.
They also saw different things in twenty twenty four and they saw a twenty three.
And they didn't adjust. That's exactly right.
And one of the things to keep in mind the collective baring agreement in which you can't put on a pad in the off season. You can't eat it. Offensive lineman need that so much you're restricted in training camp. They need that, especially with a new coach or new players, and you can walk through all the time and they know exactly what to do. But then if you can't block it, you still got the same issues. And that's why they got their work cut out because all this talk about they should take a receiver in the first round, Give me a break, where was Nico taking take deal step on digs? They need off not a tackle. They got their tackles. They need an interior player in the first round unless there's nobody there or there's a defensive tackle that they have rated higher. But I would not take a wide receiver in the first.
Round, Johnny.
To your point, how many times do I see This is a rhetorical question. Do I see any quarterback and I'll see a guy want lined up wide and he comes in free, and the QB's got to know there's nobody to block that guy, so he's coming. So what am I going to do about that? That guy's probably not dropping. It's an obvious pass rush situation. You gotta be ready for that. This goes back to me too, Matt shab and Cam Chancellor in twenty thirteen. When you know a guy is coming in unblocked, you as the quarterback either got to change the protection or bang a time out if you have any available at that particular junction of the game. But General, you mentioned it first round pick. We'll get to the draft in a second here, But it's affected whoever they do select or don't buy what they do at wide receiver in free agency, and an immediate decision is coming up on Stefan Diggs decision on both parties. Part I would imagine, But what do you think happens with Diggs because we have that Monday deadline looming.
By the way, two stats blew me away. Detections had third and nine or longer ninety one times only Cleveland had that more shows you how poor they were on the early downs. And the other one was how many times at least one lineman was beaten at the snap forty one percent of the time, most in the league.
I would want Diggs back.
He's not gonna get big money somewhere else coming off in ACL, and he the players like him. You know, he did a great job of leading. He knows he's not gonna get big bucks. I hope they're re sign him because if they don't, they're gonna have to sign another veteran. They got cap problems right now. Nick Cassaria's got a lot of work to do to free up cap money. And then I take I draft one too, just not in the first round and uh. And then a great quarterback who has time to throw can make the other receivers a lot better, and he didn't have enough.
Time to do that. Every time I watch my owns in the Super Bowl.
I'm like, yeah, let you feel like the other the rest of the guys feel when they don't get protection.
General didn't have time to get the ball to anybody. General.
I wan't to go back to your thoughts about the interior offensive line because I think one of the issues sitting at number twenty five is that the interior offensive lineman that could be had won't be there. There's not going to be a first round caliber interior offensive lineman sitting at twenty five more than likely because Tyler Booker is going to be There's probably three or four teams in front of the Texans that are going to look at Tyler Booker and say we want him, because he's really the only first round guy we would look at at that particular spot. So I presented this case to Mark get your thoughts that if they don't have a lot of money, if any at all, but you can move things around to find some money. If they were to spend money, I've said they should put it on the interior offensive line. Also, depending on what they do with Titus. So it's kind a two part question. What do you think they do with Titus? And if they were going to spend some money, you think it's best served on putting it on an interier offensive lignment, even before drafting one.
Well, first of all, Titus is not going to be a tackle anymore. Let's play Fisher. That's why they drafted him in the second round.
So you think Titus is guard going.
Think Titus is a guard going forward. And I think Shaq Mason's job ought to be in jeopardy and they need they need. I'd bring in a young guy no matter where he was drafted, and a veteran and could be somebody's with the Rams. You know, we need to look at the Rams. We need to look at the Patriots and see what guy's contracts could be expiring.
And I don't think that.
I think Serio is shrewd enough he and his financial people to make sure they have the money for whatever they want to do.
They're going to sign a T.
Higgins and they're not going to bring in Deebo Samuel Wellness. Stuff about Cooper Cup who's going to be thirty two in his miss six games a year the last three years. Why would it makes twenty seven million? Why would they be inter in that? You don't need the old guys from somewhere else. If you want an old guy, bring back Digs who still who. We didn't see any signa m last year slowing up because speed was never his game. But the good thing about lineman you can find them in different rounds. And after watching the way Philadelphia's tackles dominated, and they've got some free agents at tackle here, maybe they'll re sign them. I'd love to see him bring back Derek Barnett at end and Polly Photo Cosi and but they might have a chance. That's a great draft for interior defensive lineman have a chance down at twenty five to get a good one. I would take him. I just wouldn't take a receiver because they're not great receivers at that part. They may turn out to be great, like Nico Collins. And by the way, you know, Nico's gotta stay healthy. He has hurt every year. Think of what he could have done if he'd played seventeen games at the pace was on. And so I'm guessnel I have to interior lineman, veteran and a rookie, and they will have a veteran and rookie receiver and maybe that first round pick will be the defensive interior guys can collapse pocket.
You know, Stroud has been remarkably healthy overall through his first two years. Knock wood, knock everything. You know, he missed those two games last year. But yeah, as as you think, yeah, exactly at the Meadowlands and this.
Year, I know we're not there. Yes, very nice.
Well, there's always preseason, Johnny, There's always that possibility.
I would take a preseason tilt in New York.
That might be fun. What about practices up there, Yes, sign me up for that. Okay, you know what, You're not guaranteed, Glynn. You're not virtually guaranteed good weather. They got to pick a spot like Minnesota. I know they get heat waves too there, but Minnesota Green Bay, send us there and get us some good weather. So I brought this up because I was thinking about it.
Texans quarter.
Franchise quarterbacks in their first couple of years, Carr got hurt a bunch of year two. Matt Schaub has hurt a bunch his first two years. Well, no, that was the twenty eleventh season, but in seven and eight, his first two years, he was not available. At the end of seven, he was out. It was Rosenfeld's finishing up the year eight. He came back and finished up, but he was out a bunch.
Uh.
And then Deshaun Watson obviously missed the bulk of his rookie year.
He only had six starts that year.
So Straud is off to a great start for this team health wise and performance wise.
You know, I was reviewing some of the notes.
The fact that Demiko and Stroud both win a playoff game. Well, you know, I know it's a team sport, but this is a pretty remarkable stat They're in really good company here. Harbaugh and Flacco among the guys who have been able to do that.
Quarterbacks Coach of the Year one year and Jimba the next year.
Yeah, Rex Ryan and Mark Sanchez would be another duo. At least they made it to a couple of AFC Championship games. I know it didn't end well Vo as a rookie too. Yeah, so that's pretty good time.
I can't wait to see if Kaylee utilizes Stroud's running ability more. You know, all these people that watched him at Ohio States stead he said he couldn't run. He had like eighty five yards against Northwestern in a game and we see this year he can and his reasoning at Ohio State was why would I run when I got all these great receivers getting open? But he showed he can do it.
And playoff game run was amazing.
And Matthew Stafford's not going to run, of course, but I'll bet you that Kaylee, now that he sees how he can run, will find a way to utilize that running ability.
How much do you think Stroud was involved in the process, at least to what degree was he involved? I would think Demiko was certainly keeping him abreast of the situation.
You think of that too, That would be the good thing. You know.
You're not letting him say, well, I want this guy or I want that guy. He could, but you can't basically on what a player wants. But I'll garantee to make YO camp him up to date.
Yeah, no question.
General, we haven't talked to you since a lot of these coaching decisions have been made. I think the one that got the dog had turned to me a little bit was Pete Carroll with the Las Vegas Raiders, only because I don't know want to sound agist here, but he's seventy three and he just said don't see NFL teams signing coaches at that age, which I kind of love. Actually, he doesn't look interacted. He's young in heart, he's very I mean, you get a young what what were your thoughts about him going to Las Vegas and then him and the Raiders signing.
Chip Kelly's up its coordinator.
I do a weekly show in Las Vegas, and I told him for a team in that situation, they should hire Pete Carroll. And the reasoning was they don't have a quarterback right now. If they wanted to bring in a bridge quarterback like say Aaron Rodgers, a coach like Pete would need to handle him. A young guy like Brian call At Tennessee. A lot of people are saying, oh, well he should go the Titans. He owns the house in Nashville. Well, so what fifty million a year, you can own a lot of homes. So I wouldn't want him with a young guy like Brian Callahan. He chew him up and spit him out. And so I liked the fact that Pete came back. You know, he was run out of Seattle. He had total control of personnel every year there, so he's proved he can handle that part. They just need They need a lot, but they especially need the quarterback, so I liked it. Mike Vrabel to New England was my favorite. Ire Brian Schottenneimer was my least that I was impressed with, And I thought Kellen Morris told have stayed at Philly another year to have more choices, because New Orleans is a terrible job.
Right now because of the caps that you cap situation.
Derek Carley clear up thirty million. If they cut him, he won't help him with a pay cut. And if he stayed in Philly where they got a lot of talent, the odds are like Ben Johnson going back, you would have had more offers next year.
But he's thirty five years old.
You know there's a good chance he, if he's good enough, gets fired, he'll get a second chance.
Yeah, you want to be in a situation where you like it enough, take the money, take the opportunity. Think Byron Leftwich didn't work out so well for him when he turned down the Jags, And now look he's not nobody's radar.
In fact, I don't know where he is.
But if he gets him back to seven to eight wins, this first year, and I don't I don't know, Listen, I don't know how they're gonna do it. I mean, I don't know how they can keep going with Derek Carr. And I don't know what the quarterback situation is going to be for them because it's Spencer Rattler or bust. And that is going to be a tough, tough, tough sell for Kellen Moore. But if he wins seven eight games this year, I mean, all of a sudden, they're gonna be They're gonna be free agents and want to go down there and play for a young, aggressive head coach on the offensive side.
I mean, we know about that here.
And I think Kellen Moore has a little different personality than Demiko, but I think there's that energy that goes with him.
I think New Orleans. I think New Orleans is gonna really like him. I really do.
I just think you guys are right. I think it's gonna be a tough, tough, tough sell. But if he can make that work with a quarterback, and look, it's not as if the NFC South is a gamebusters. You know you can win that with nine and eight, Well, you could get the nine and eight yeah, and win that division. Not saying they will, but you have a chance that that division is gonna knock you over, like if you were in the NFC North. I'm sorry, Yeah, the NFC North or the AFC North where three teams each went to the playoffs. So it's gonna be a tough enough to crack for him. But I think it's not a bad it's not a bad spot.
The assistant coach that got me the most was a Chip Kelly. And I'm wondering if Will Howard will be drafted by the Raiders in the second round. I hope so, or if he does well enough in the evaluation process to impress people and they try to get him at the bottom of the first round because there's been so many quarterbacks not taking it in the first round, and I have no doubt that it's gonna be quarterbacks. For there's two pigs. Everybody's saying, oh, the Titan, Titans may take this guy, that guy. No, they're gonna take a quarterback. And because by the time the process over, everybody's gonna like him. Kelly, he might be pushing big.
Time for Will Howard.
Not I where they're picking six, But it's amazing, and how many teams still need quarterbacks every year.
It's that way.
Next year looks like it's gonna be a better draft any but you can't tell if you're gonna have the first pick, and you don't know farts Manning's coming out exactly.
You don't know anything.
Now, a pretty good crop of quarterbacks beyond our spanning too, So twenty six.
Yeah, one note here on the Chip Kelly situation and quarterback for the Raiders. Please send Aaron Rodgers there with Kelly, Carrol Mark Davis and put hard Knocks cameras in for training cap in Vegas.
Please do it. I mean, I just want to see it's so bad, be great? All right.
So the report this morning that the Pittsburgh Steelers called Jacksonville about Trevor Lawrence.
You buying, Well, you call teams called teams all the time asking about players, So yeah, I'm buying if they.
Called him, and I'm buying it.
The Mike Tomlin said no, well, no, no, no, I mean I'm sorry that. Liam Cohen said no. The whole reason I came here is because I was going to coach Trevor Lawrence. We're not Trevor Lawrence.
I would listen if they're willing to take Trevor Lawrence off your hands and you can start over.
Takes a huge dead cap hit, no way Lawrence.
The whole reason they wanted Cohen is so they hope he can make something out of him.
Good.
Look the way he did with Will Levis when he was there as a sophomore, and since he left, Levis was never the same. And then what he did at Tampa, And I'm surprised he got a job so fast. I thought it'd be another year. But he wasn't hired to be doing a new quarterback. He was hired to try to fix Lawrence. If Lawrence has another mediocre year, then if that call is made next year, maybe.
They do it. So what do you think the Steelers do?
Rogers, Mike tom and Aaron Rodgers And one time, one thing I hear people saying, what does it matter if he goes on Pat McAfee. Well, I watch him every week on there, tape it and every time he's asked a question, he answers honestly, and a lot of times it creates controversy. So he goes back to work Wednesday and everything is about what he said on TV, not as much as it is about the game. It's just not good for your culture. If you're trying to build a good, strong culture, you don't want your quarterback creating controversy every week. You don't want him going into the darkness. You don't want him going to Egypt. And the thing if you don want to make fifty million a year and you have a vacation plan to go to Egypt and you find out two months before your vacation that you're having your mandatory mini camp, can't you change your vacation.
Yes, you can change your vacation.
But if you had a private tour of the pyramids set up and you were going to levitate with the spirits of the great Pharaohs or whatever, maybe.
The ayahuasca in Egypt is better at that time and probably really in season.
I mean maybe I see it. Who knows.
But yeah, he's just inflexible and now he's looking for a job. Okay, this is where both of you guys. There's a name that keeps popping in my head when I think about free agent quarterbacks, and I don't know where he should go in Pittsburgh is I don't know. I know there's somebody listening, one of our good friends that would not like this. But Sam Donald, Where does Sam Donald start in twenty twenty five? You think so?
Yep?
Wait wait wait, franchise tag or in a short contract. You think that's the best deal.
So they don't know JJ McCarthy can play.
They don't, But I think they're willing to take that chance right now after they've been to this twice. Now, they win all those games with Kirk Cousins and they exit in the first round to the Giants, then they win all those games with Donald out fast at Arizona against the Rams. I think they're willing to take their lumps with JJ McCarthy. What if we win nine or ten or eleven. As long as we make it to the.
Raiders, he'll be the hottest court. He'll be the hottest quarterback on the market.
Raiders.
Gosh, so he'll be the hottest quarterback on the saying something about the market.
If you're the Steelers, would you look at Sam Darnold or no, of course you would look at him.
But boy, going to the Steelers and their philosophy of throwing the ball the way they do, and you got George Pickins who's nothing but a pain in the ass compared to Justin Jefferson and the weapons that he had there. I just think he's going to be back there. I don't think they're going to put all their eggs in McCarthy's basket. And one of the reasons is how well he played till the last game. Do you judge anybody on the last two games, well, after they've been great for an entire set.
Yes, you do, if it's had you do, Patrick mahomes No, I.
Mean taking it literally. Yeah, but I know what you're saying.
But you judge darn because you've seen both sides of it, right, But you.
Haven't seen Donald play it, not even a mahomesol.
You haven't seen Donald play at that high level when the game is that important regular season.
That success is funny in a strange way because they.
Had a great ride.
The Vikings had a great ride most of the year, The Lions had a tremendous ride, The Packers had a pretty good ride, and they all go out.
The whole division goes OUTFC South won more playoff games in the NFC North. How about the best division in football? How about them Apples? Yeah?
See, yeah, we went one and three against the division, so you know, gotta be careful against the North.
Yeah, game and nobody in the North did.
When you're you win your playoff games, some good things can happen. By the way, shout out to t J. Yeats now past game coordinator for the Falcons.
So you get up a little bit here.
Still quarterback coach too, Yeah, so that's a that's a nice title of coach.
Yeah you will, absolutely, that'd be nice.
And our buddy Dave Dgon is still in LA with the Rams quarterbacks.
Oh he's doing in LA now. Yeah, we're going. Yeah.
One of the things I liked about the Rams offense so balanced and they're receivers. They like the bigger guys on the outside because they got a block so much. Not just to tempting, but the way McVeigh runs that offense. If you got a wide receiver or tight end that can block, you're not playing.
That's Robert Woods's fault.
When McVeigh got to LA, I asked this, nik kill you hear this in a little bit on our interview with him, that you know that the ability is huge because McVeigh went there and thought we're gonna be a eleven personnel team won one running back, one tight end, through wide receivers.
That's what we're going to be.
He got there and he's got Cooper Cup and he's got Robert Woods, and they knock your block off in the run game. And it basically showed McVeigh like, Hey, I think I need to change how we do this offense because I need to have those two guys on the field as much as possible because how they they block in the run game. So you know, Robert Woods was one of the main reasons of why that RAM like.
Coaches that are adaptable and don't force somebody to do what I want you to do.
General a couple of questions beyond the blue lot here Alex Bregman going to the Boston boat socks.
We knew he was gone and all that stuff about he might come back to the Astros. That was Scott Boris leaking it to the media to try to get Boston in Toronto and Chicago and Detroit up to any I can't believe they gave him an opt out after each season. I saw a great stat he has two hundred ten career homers and he played every game at Mini May Park. He'd have two hundred nineteen. If he'd played every game at Finway, he'd have one hundred and ninety. Because he doesn't launch home runs. He has line drives, so he's going to be in a lot of balls off the monster, and he doesn't have opposite phild home runs either.
General, the one thing that stood out to me was the fact that his contract he's getting from Boston, all bit shorter, is ten million dollars per year above any other offer he got.
Yeah, but now he's got a chance to double down on that. No, I know. I like this from an ownershift stamp.
Boston standpoint for Red Sox standpoint if you knew the Red Sox are like, we're gonna give him three years one twenty, Hey, Joe, these are their teams. Aren't giving close to thirty That's okay. We'll give him forty million for three years. Like, it's just shocking to me that he got that much more.
He gives.
Yeah, he has a good year, it's back to the negotiating table.
What are the odds. He's a notorious slow starter, and that's in warm weather, playing home games indoors. He's gonna go up there. Where's Cole April May. He gets off to a slow start, like he does every year, they're gonna boo the all out of him and they're gonna blast him in the media.
All right, one more for you, because we used to talk about movies a lot, but it feels like I don't know the movie industry.
It's not what it was. We all know that, go to the movies.
Okay, So general, are you watching a lot of these great TV shows like Landman and shows like that All the Landman's Okay? What else do you like? What could you recommend for people I.
Don't have.
Let's see, I still watch a lot of shows. I tape them and watch them at night. I like all the Fbis, I like the All the One Chicago's, and I like Tracker. But the movies, there's one coming out and I like Scripts that I haven't seen before. It's with Miles Taylor, one of my favorite actors, and Anya Taylor Joy. And he is in the military and a long timer and he gets called in by somebody from the Senate and they want to send him out in the middle of nowhere for like six months to a year. And he has one job to do, and he says, all right, I'll do it. They take him out where it's foggy in the mountains, and then he's in this like steel house and he's supposed to keep watch over a gorge.
Excuse me. Turns out way on the other side is another one, and it's a woman on Anya Taylor George, and so they get lonely.
They puts when the fog clears, put messages to each other up on paper, and then he decides he wants to go across the gorge, and somebody tells him that he's connected to what is in the gorge anyway. He said, the gate to Hell. In other words, you don't want to go down there. So he's trying to get over to her. Of course it breaks. Of course, he goes down into Hell. She's in love without ever talking to him. She puts on her parachute, gets all her big weapons, takes off parachutes down, finds him, and then the rest. I guess they're waiting on the devil that comes out tomorrow. Sounds like a great Valentine Wow, sounds great great Valentine's Day movie. Really nice? All right, General, thanks a lot for.
Choking you guys very much.
Coming up Nick Kelly, offensive coordinator right here on Texans Radio. All right, it was great to have the general in studio with us. And speaking of in studio, Nick Kelly, the new guy offensive coordinator.
You might know his background.
He's been with the Rams, most recently as tight ends coach and passing game coordinator, before that with the New England Patriots up through twenty twenty two. He started his stint in New England in twenty fifteen, so he was there for a while. Bunch of college stops Florida, Atlantic, Arkansas before that, Eastern Illinois, Auburn back in the day. He's a John Carroll product, as is Nick Cassario, Frank Ross, Josh McDaniels, among many others. We'll get to that. Here's our visit with Nick Cayley coach. Welcome, Thank you very much.
I'm excited to be here.
Well, tell us, I want to start here. What's the first order of business for you? Pouring over game footage, making plans for twenty twenty five?
How do you go about your business?
Initially, yeah, probably getting my laptop set up and getting on the box a few boxes I had unpacked. But in all seriousness, just you know, really getting with the staff, kind of getting organized here in the first couple of days that I've been in town. And then obviously you know, getting through some tape already, you know, got to jump on some of that, but you know, trying to move forward that day by day.
Nick heard different coordinators head coaches talk about this when they take over in a different location. Some of them want to see everything that happened in twenty twenty three or the previous year twenty twenty four. Some are like, Nope, starting brand new. How do you kind of dive in as the offensive coordinator? Do you want to watch everything from last year? Do you want to get a beat on it? Or you're just coming in fresh. This is what I want to do and this is how we're gonna do it. We'll take some of those things, but I don't really want to dive into last year much.
Yea.
I think the biggest thing is just getting a feel for the players, what their straints are, what their play style is, and just you know, how you know, we view them in terms of moving forward as a staff and how we can use them, you.
Know, moving forward.
Scheme, scheme, it changes, it evolves, you know, even in continuous years with the same set of coaches and players. You know, you will evolve those things from year to year. I don't think anybody ever stays the same. If you do that, you'll end.
Up getting you know, you know, you got to evolve.
So from that standpoint, really, you know, trying to identify what the players do best and getting a feel for them and then obviously get them on the grass here in a couple of months and get rid of rock and roll.
You've been around a lot of different quarterbacks, Tom Brady, Cam Newton, Matthew Stafford.
What do you see and Cee J. Stroud coach.
I see a competitor, an ultimate competitor, a guy that loves football, competes at a high level, has a very good arm, arm talent, can spin it, He throws accurate, you know, and he can playoff schedule, and he's instinctive. So there's a lot of things to really like and I can't wait to get an opportunity to work with him and just build a relationship and pave the way going forward.
One of the things Nick, that Mark and I've talked about over the years is that tight ends coaches are probably the most important coaches, and I'm not kissing up.
You'll see where I'm going with this in a second.
But the tight end coaches are so important because they've got to be involved in the run game in every aspect of the run game.
They've got to be important to the pass protection.
Yeah, they've got to be important to the passing game, you know, getting out running routes and things like that. As the tight end position, you obviously have spent a lot of time with it. How important does it become to this offense that you want to create here in Houston?
Oh?
Very important.
And I think we have an exceptional tight end coach in Jake Moreland, and really excited to get the word with him. But yeah, I mean you you know, I always I told I've told the guys for a long time.
You know that.
And it's selfish probably when you're coaching the position. But that's the straw that serves a drink. Show me a really physical run game, and I'll show you really physical tight ends. And and you know, I think it starts an extension of the offensive line to control the line of scrimmage. When you can affect the game in the passing game and you can get got mismatches on safeties, backers, et cetera. You can extend guys, you can get open and catch the ball with size, uh and stature as well.
Very important. That position is very important to me.
And you know, again I'm you know, maybe a little bit biased, but I believe that with with everything in my being.
You mentioned Jake Morland, you've been with Cole Popovich before New England. What about working with your assistant coaches coach? How's that relationship going to go for you?
No, it's it's huge.
It's it's it's not one person, it's a staff and you lean on a staff and you know, we're all in this together. And I have a lot of trust and confidence in all the guys uh here and and we're all in this together.
It's it's it's it's us. It's about us.
It's about our players, and you know we're we're we're gonna be you know, connected. From that standpoint, What was this process like for you, Nick? You know it was you know, it was, it was great. It everything kind of happened fast. You know, you don't ever really I always try to be present. I've always tried to be where my feet are really enjoyed our time in Los Angeles, you know, my family, and you know that was that was a hard place to lead because there was a lot of great people and when you when this opportunity opened up, very exciting and very intriguing. So it was and like I said, it was about the people here, and I couldn't be more excited to be here, you know, and and to.
Be with coach Ryan's and this this team and this staff.
All right.
So the John Carroll Alumni Association has a lot of connections here, all right. So could you discuss that a little bit, your relationship with some of the guys who have been to that school, because Nick Asario for one, and many others, Frank Ross for instance.
Yeah, you know, there's a lot of a lot of great people, a very good Division III school on the east side of Cleveland, with a lot of guys that really loved football. And you know, there's a lot of people that have paved the way going back to obviously Don Shula, et cetera, you know, going back. So it's a it's a special place and I'm really you know, it was it shaped me, uh and even my years there, I I had always looked and wrote and reached out and tried to email and just learned from the people that had come before me. So it's a special place and and there's a lot of people that have gone through there, and you get a great education.
And you love football. It's it's a it's a great place to go.
Did you ever talk to Rams defensive coordinator Chris Shula about his grandfather?
Absolutely?
Okay, absolutely.
And when I was at Florida Atlantic coach in the second area, I got to meet Coach Shula down you know, in South Florida when we were playing FIU, And that was one of the cooler moments. I had never had an opportunity to to really ever get to meet him, and I did then, So it was it was pretty cool.
Coach.
How important And I'm gonna use your your former and I'm glad to say former former head coach Sean McVay talked about this in a podcast. So when he went to LA he thought he was gonna be the eleven personnel team, Like that's what he wanted to be.
That's what he thought he's gonna be.
He gets there and he's got Robert Woods, and he's got Cooper Cupp and He's like, wait a second, I think I can kind of be like a twelve team because these guys blocked so well as wide receivers, and so he kind of adapted and changed for the while. So how important is adaptability not just season the season, but play to play series a series, game to game.
How important is that for you?
That adaptability is a big thing, not staying stubborn to what it is that you want to do, but better for your team.
Yeah, it's it's it's important.
I think you got to be able to adapt, and I think it gives you versatility.
It's not just throwing fastballs fastballs fast.
You got a change up, you got a curve ball, you got a slider, and you you do that with different types of players. You do that with different personnel groupings. It could be you know, different you know, multiple types of twelve personnel groupings utilizing different players or heavier personnel, thirteen or it's eleven and you know, twenty one, et cetera.
Whatever it is. But I think you can do a lot of different things.
And you know present and and you know present some issues defensively obviously too.
You like that thirteen personnel, don't you?
Hey, I've been known to like some thirteen personnel in time.
So yeah, exactly what about getting ready to call plays?
Preparing for that in the offseason?
How can you do that before you get to the starting line in September?
I know you have preseason games.
Yeah, well a couple different ways.
Obviously, training the mindset, putting yourself through those processes when you're going through practice, live, live opportunities to call plays.
I think all those things, you know, factor into that.
Absolutely.
Coach you talked in your press conference, you asked about you got to New England twenty fifteen, and so you had an opportunity to be around Dante Scarneki. Yes, a lot of people have said he might be the best offensive line coach that has existed in the NFL. What if he meant to you and what if he meant to your career and how you've kind of learned your offensive line portion of this.
Yeah, he's meant a lot to me. He's a big mentor to me. He's always been supportive, and he he he mastered making some things that could be very complex, very simple and digestible for guys so that they can turn it loose, they can play fast and they're rooted in fundamentals, and that's what I take from him. And he has always been a great sounding for not just me, for a lot of us that have crossed paths with him. But he's exceptional coach and a lot of respect for him.
All Right. So Sean McVay has that recall ability. We've seen it.
It's freakish, right, So if we had a game show McVeigh versus Belichick with recall of their own games, that'd.
Be pretty good, right, it'd be it'd be unbelievable.
Yeah, you're honest, are you? Are you like that as well?
I have some Yeah, I I can draw, you know, I shot those two are rare.
There.
There's I have some obscure things, usually football related, that I can pull from past experiences. But I'd say those two are, uh, they're rare. They're they're they're elite when it comes to that.
You know, this McKinley, Ohio, this McKinley Canton, Ohio situation, Like, there are so many coaches, obviously the McDaniels come out of there, you come.
Out of there, have been so many that have come out of there.
What is it about that particular area, Nick that it's become kind of a It's not the cradle of coaches like Miami, Ohio, but in some sense it's kind of is because we've seen so many great coaches and players come out of that area.
What is it about that area?
Yeah, well, I m can't Ohio can't. Killy's the high school did not go to McKinley, just for the record, but it's a great, great school. That area is Stark County, Ohio. You know, there's twenty high schools or whatever there. It is a it The fabric of that community is football, and it's blue collar, it's tough people. It's a great place. And as a kid growing up, you play football on the street, you played in your backyard, you know, and and you you dream of playing in those high school stadiums. And I think you're influenced by the great coaches we've had there, and there's a lot of great players. And I couldn't have thought dreamt of a better place to grow up, you know, to be able to be obviously influenced by the game of football.
Did you give any thought to doing anything else with your life as you were growing up?
Zero, it was coaching all the way.
I wanted to coach, you haven't been here long, but I know you've been kind of locked in and doing what you have to do. But just your thoughts on the city of Houston and being here. Have you ever had much experience in Texas at all than traveling for games and such?
Now, what are you thought, you know, just basically being here for games, practices, et cetera.
It's there's it's a it's a great city.
There's a lot of energy, there's a lot of things to do, you know, and there's a lot of places to go. So I mean it's you know, it's it's a great city, and you know, excited to find my way around.
All right.
So one more for the fans. What is the Nick Kelly offense? What can you tell us today about the Nick Keley offense?
Yeah?
Tough, physical, you know, getting the ball to our playmakers and being connected and playing smart football and not beating ourselves, taking care of the football, being disciplined, uh and competing for you know, four plus quarters, however long it takes us to get the job done.
Sounds great, coach, thanks a lot for joining us, Thanks for having me. There's offensive coordinator Nick Kelly now coming back John Harris and I will talk about what the offense might look like with Nick Keley at the controls, among other things here on Texans All Access All Right. Final segment here tonight on Texans All Access following the general being on the program and Nick Keley the new offensive court. Nick Keley, it's two K sounds in a row. For some reason, saying Nick Cassario without starting the case sound over sounds fine, But Nick Keley sounds like Nick Haley.
And you have to say, Nick Keley. See, I think about these things. I know you have to. I lie awake at night.
I know you about these crazy verbal situations you have to.
Yeah.
Absolutely, I've given more thought to it lately because I like I've told people dealing with this Bell's palsy thing, so words with fright, football, fine, buffet, anything within. They it became very tricky to say, well, yeah, kind of. It's still not the easiest thing in the world, especially if I'm talking fast.
It's flared up for you bad during the last playoff game.
Right exactly right right before the Chargers game. How I deal?
Really, Oh my gosh, can you imagine being the AFC Championship game? Somehow I think the adrenaline would have solved the problem.
Well, the adrenaline got me through the two playoff games for sure, for sure. But the Chiefs game you were cold, would have gotten me through the second one, oh yeah, would have got me through. Gave me buffalo yeah help, the prescription medication. And then again, when you're into cold, a lot of times, what happens. Your mouth starts to kind of freeze up. I remember Don telling the story about the Ice Bowl. Don Meredith was in the huddle calm plays and it was so cold his mouth basically froze. So he would take his hands and he would massage his mouth to be able to say what the play call was.
So he's in the Cowboy Ring of Honor. I didn't mean to go here right now, but Cowboy Bill emailed me about something and I said, oh about Landry or whatever, And I said, you know, I can't forgive that franchise for how they've done Danny White. Yeah, not that Danny White should be in the Ring of Honor, but anybody who thinks Romo should be in over Danny White.
Listen.
I don't argue cowboy stuff on Texans Radio much, but Danny.
White, what would argue? He went to three NFC Championship games, Romo went to zero.
You know that's when we didn't talk about too much. Brian Schottenheimer, head coach.
I know it's kind of crazy. It might work out, but here was my thought when they did it. Crazy like a fox. Now I'm not saying he is, but but as a good head coach, what's the most important thing being a great delegator communicator. Maybe he I don't think he's a great offensive coordinator, but I don't know if you have to be. If you have the right guy working for you to run the offense and then the defense run well, and maybe you could be a great delegator. Look, John Harbaugh is one of the more successful head coaches of our era, right correct, And he's and we were as we were talking to John McClain, I was thinking about this. He's had to cycle through a lot of coaches. Think about who he's had there since he started. It's just been another guy after another guy. And he's been having to adjust and adapt on the fly here and be a great delegator and communicator. And I think he is now. Look he's won one super Bowl. Great, I'd love to win one super Bowl. Start there hasn't done much since there, since that he went to the AFC Champion Game in twenty three. But you know, he's got a lot of regular season victories and a lot of success that way.
So good for him. Yeah, good for him. I mean, I'm curious to see how it goes.
I just remember when Schottenheimer was in college, it was a big deal because he was at the University of Florida, and he went to the University of Florida in particular because he wanted to be around Steve Spreer every day. And I always thought that that was always something that people talked about that he was there at the University of Florida for that particular reason. I thought, Okay, I'll keep an eye on young Schottenheimer and see what he turns into. I don't think he's been a great offensive coordinator, Okay, but I do think man, I said, coach him.
You know, we'll see.
But they definitely didn't win the press conference, that's for sure. No, they did not win when that one. It's not a ticket seller, it's none of that stuff. Not great for your marketing campaign. But they are the cowboys. They'll find a way to get butts in the seats. Never mind them, Johnny, we only got a couple of minutes here, But I want an answer to this question. Has your thought changed adjusted if any, or how has it affected you in interpreting what the Nick Cayley offense is going to be like based on us meeting with Nick and sitting down with him and hearing his press conference and being around him for a couple of hours, I the word I kept coming back to, and that's why I asked him the question about adaptability, because I think adaptability is so big as an offensive coordinator, and I think you can look at adaptability.
In a number of different ways.
And if you look at adaptability and think about what's the opposite of that, and that's being stubborn.
No, no, no, no. We do it this way like you.
Have to have standards in how you do things, but you have to be flexible and adaptable and have adaptability to especially an offense in the NFL, because you're gonna see things that you've never seen before. And I think that was kind of the case this year. There are a lot of things that you know, the general kind of brought it up. Well, you know why. In twenty twenty three, was not this way because they were seeing different things than they saw.
In twenty twenty four.
Because once teams show you one thing you can't block or you're not accustomed to, or you're gonna see it again and again and again and again, and so you have to be adaptable. And I think that's kind of what I got, is that he's got he's got a passion for this game, as Demiko talked about, but I get the sense that it's adaptable. If duo doesn't work, which is kind of a gap scheme, run, hey, let's try wide zone.
Like we're gonna make work with what we have.
We want to do this, but if we don't have that, And I think that's one of the things you learn when you play at a lower division like Division three or like I play in the IVY League, et cetera. You don't always have six seven, three point fifteen left tackle, you know, or you know, a sixty three, two hundred and forty five pounds linebacker runs for three. You don't have all that. So sometimes you have to get creative or you have to be adaptable. You have to look at it and say, man, how do we change, how do we do this? How do we not get beat on this again this particular week. Now, that's not just Nick Keilly, that is Nick Kelly. It's called Popovich. That's Drod Johnson, that's every coach on the offensive staff working together to make sure that works.
All right, we'll see how it works soon enough. We'll have another show soon enough, Friday night, six o'clock. Don't miss it. Thanks a lot for listening. Area forty five coming up next. Have a great night, Go Texans.