Sometimes, a pivot isn't triggered by a failure. Sometimes, it happens when you’re winning.

You can have the perfect life on paper - the apartment by the beach, the successful business, the long-term relationship - and still feel a quiet, persistent exhaustion. It’s that slow build of burnout that whispers: you are running 100 k’s an hour in the wrong direction.

But what happens when you finally brave that change, only to face a hurdle you never saw coming?

Jo Yates began her career studying analogue photography in the UK, right on the edge of the digital revolution. As the industry shifted beneath her feet, she was forced to re-educate herself - pivoting from photography into video production, then into large-scale event and marketing production here in Australia. 

But alongside her creative career, Jo had a quiet safety-net hustle: flipping properties. What started as a way to create financial security slowly grew into something much bigger - until it became impossible to ignore.

Then life intervened.

After moving to Noosa, Jo was faced with the covid lockdown AND a diagnosis that forced her to stop, reassess, and reinvent her life yet again. It became the ultimate pivot - one that reframed her relationship with work, success, and what really mattered.

Today, Jo runs Bricks and More, a property renovation and buyer’s advocacy business with a difference - combining her creative thinking with commercial strategy to build homes that are genuinely meaningful to the people who live in them.

In this episode, we talk about adaptability, resilience, rebuilding after crisis, and why you don’t need a dramatic leap to change your life - just a clear vision and the courage to take the next small step.

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Host: Sarah Davidson

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Senior Producer: Sally Best

Audio Producer: Thom Lion 


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Sometimes, a pivot isn't triggered by a failure. Sometimes, it happens when you&rsquo;re winning.
You can have the perfect life on paper - the apartment by the beach, the successful business, the long-term relationship - and still feel a quiet, persistent exhaustion. It&rsquo;s that slow build of burnout that whispers: you are running 100 k&rsquo;s an hour in the wrong direction.
But what happens when you finally brave that change, only to face a hurdle you never saw coming?
Jo Yates began her career studying analogue photography in the UK, right on the edge of the digital revolution. As the industry shifted beneath her feet, she was forced to re-educate herself - pivoting from photography into video production, then into large-scale event and marketing production here in Australia.&nbsp;
But alongside her creative career, Jo had a quiet safety-net hustle: flipping properties. What started as a way to create financial security slowly grew into something much bigger - until it became impossible to ignore.
Then life intervened.
After moving to Noosa, Jo was faced with the covid lockdown AND a diagnosis that forced her to stop, reassess, and reinvent her life yet again. It became the ultimate pivot - one that reframed her relationship with work, success, and what really mattered.
Today, Jo runs Bricks and More, a property renovation and buyer&rsquo;s advocacy business with a difference - combining her creative thinking with commercial strategy to build homes that are genuinely meaningful to the people who live in them.
In this episode, we talk about adaptability, resilience, rebuilding after crisis, and why you don&rsquo;t need a dramatic leap to change your life - just a clear vision and the courage to take the next small step.
THE END BITS:
Want more from Sarah Davidson? Check out her podcast <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/seize-the-yay/">Seize The Yay.</a>
Discover more Mamamia podcasts <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/">here</a>.
Feedback: podcast@mamamia.com.au&nbsp;
Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message, and one of our Podcast Producers will get back to you ASAP.
Rate or review us on Apple by clicking on the three dots in the top right-hand corner, click Go To Show then scroll down to the bottom of the page, click on the stars at the bottom and write a review.
CREDITS:
Guest: Jo Yates
Host: Sarah Davidson
Executive Producer: Courtney Ammenhauser
Senior Producer: Sally Best
Audio Producer: Thom Lion&nbsp;
 This show was brought to you in partnership with <a href="https://www.csu.edu.au/">Charles Sturt University</a>. Australia's largest and most experienced online uni. Take the next step. Search Charles Sturt University online.&nbsp; Complete our short survey about education for for a chance to win a $1,000 gift voucher in our quarterly draw!&nbsp;<a href="https://survey.alchemer.com/s3/8467038/Ch" data-stringify-link="https://survey.alchemer.com/s3/8467038/Ch" data-sk="tooltip_parent">https://survey.alchemer.com/s3/8467038/Ch</a>
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.&nbsp;

Foreign Policy editor Amelia Lester reassures her Australian friend Mia Freedman that despite a bankrupt, washed up reality star with a criminal record leading the free world things might be... fine. 

Foreign Policy editor Amelia Lester reassures her Australian friend Mia Freedman that despite a bankrupt, washed up reality star with a criminal record leading the free world things might be... fine.

Tell Me It's Going To Be OK

What happens when you’re "winning" on paper but running in the wrong direction? Jo Yates, founder of Bricks and More, joins Sarah Davidson to share her journey from UK analogue photography to Australian property renovation. From navigating the digital revolution to a life-altering diagnosis in Noosa, Jo discusses how to rebuild after burnout and why your "safety-net hustle" might actually be your greatest career calling.

How A 'Temporary' Sea Change Cemented A New Career Path For Jo Yates

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