Welcome to another episode of Tape Heads. Babo shus In here with Dan Orlovsky. You see him all the time at the touch screen on Get Up, on ESPN Sports Center, NFL Live, and also my partner on College Football It's got the only, of course, longtime general manager in the National Football League. And on this podcast again we try to crawl behind the xs and os and give you what the guys see when they watch the tape. And it is amazing how often we talk about NFL football games coming down to a handful of plays. Well, Packers Ravens again for the Ravens in one of these huge spots, arguably came down to one play. Here, the Ravens swat left Andrews wide right motion from a tight end of the wing of the lift side Huntley and the shotgun Looktavius Murray too was right snapped hunt Any Roles right throws right side of the ends up Pettison complete, incomplete right corner of the ends on in front of the pilot and incomplete. The Packers are gonna hang on and win this game. Another tough loss for Baltimore where John Harball decides to go for two for the win at the end. And guys, let's start at least with that coaching decision. I know a lot of people wanted with momentum to play for overtime. Dan, you took the stance, and I agree with it that. I have no problem with the decision that coach Hardball made again to take a quarterback that was rolling and an offense that probably felt real good about themselves in a game where I can't imagine anyone was going to give them a big chance to win in the first place. Put it the two yard line and let them try to go make a play. That's what he did, and his team supported him. Yeah, I just think coach Hardball. I also love the fact that he goes into detailed explanation of why. Now let's get into this a little bit. So first of all, should they have gone for two when they were down eight initially? That would be the analytics with five correct, because then if you get that two point conversion successfully and you score another touchdown, the extra point wins the football game for you. If you don't get that two point conversion and you score a touchdown, you still have the chance to go for two in that moment and at least tie the game. The reason why I agree with Coach Hardball is Number one, if you kick the extra point, three things can really happen. One, you tie the game, you give the ball back to Aaron Rodgers with forty three seconds left. He goes down kicks a game winning field goal. Game over. Number two, you give the ball back to Aaron Rodgers, you kick the extra point. You give the ball back to Aaron Rodgers, you get a stop, You go into overtime, they win the coin toss, you have to get a stop. Number three, you kick the extra point, you get a stop of Aaron Rodgers. You go into overtime, and either they get the ball and you get a stop, or you win the coin toss, go down and score touchdown. Game over. I have to get to my third option before I ever can win that football game, which I have no business winning with all the injuries that they had to deal with and being down multiple scores in the fourth quarter. Where if you go for you in that situation, you are either going to give the ball back with forty three seconds left and he will go and kick a game winning field goal, or you were gonna win the football game. So that's why I think that was the right decision in the moment. Now, the play call, I don't hate the play call. I know people have said that they've hated it. Mark Andrews by himself, spread right, you cut the field in half. This is this is my my thought process on it. Um as a quarterback, when you get down there into that tight world where it's on the two yard line. So if you play the drop back pass game, which is everyone's like I wanted him to play in the drop back game, he's killing him in the drop back game, all right, So Number one, Green Bay can all out pressure me. Baltimore has not had an answer for all out blitz since two thousand eighteen, so especially for a quarterback who hasn't seen it down there. That happened so quickly that that that's one of the reasons why I'm like, I don't love that. Number two. You get crazy kinds of coverages down there, and that world. You can combo this guy, combo that guy, double this guy, double that guy. Where I think they just said Mark Andrews, who had not been covered all game, we're gonna give him the chance and we're going to think that. I think if Huntly makes it better, throw the game's over, you know, to the front pylon. And the last thing I would say is this, and Bob, you know this because we did the Penn State Illinois game. It is very, very hard as a play caller to call a play that has to get three yards but cannot get twelve. That that is a very small window of plays that you can design that has to get three but can't get twelve. And we and all eleven Cats know that on defense. So I agree with the decision. I don't hate the play called. I think it's the greatest one I've seen. No, but I don't hate it. Yeah, you know so I'm gonna start in reverse where where Dan was because when it comes to the play call, Dan's more qualified than me, and the coaches on the Raven staff are more qualified. I don't have a problem with the play I understand what they were doing because I'm a firm believer in critical situations, think of players, not plays. They went to the guy that was their most dependable player on field. It didn't work out, so again, but I'll leave the play calling to people who are better at it than me. I want to go to the decision. I'm absolutely fine with the decision because to me, here here's what it comes down to. And this has become about this analytics and this analytics thing is so polarizing and what we lose in the context of analytics. Because I'm a I respect analytics, and I believe in analytics. I also believe that this decision really didn't have anything to do with the analytics as much as it had to do with the context and circumstance. And I want to repeat that again because to me, that's what this decision making comes down to. Because when we talk about going forward on fourth down, when we can talk about a two point play, you have to pay attention to the analytics, pay attention to the numbers, but understand the exact circumstances and the context of the game. Now, two weeks ago, John Harbaugh talked about the issues in his secondary and when he went went for it, he didn't think that his offer or his defense could control and take care of the Steelers offense. He was concerned. Now let's go back to the context of this decision. In this game, in the second half, the Packers had four drives. The first one took it sixty eight yards touchdown, the second drive eight yards touchdown. Third drive, they only they only get eighteen yards and they get a field goal the next time. They forced the Packers to punt. They went into that game without Marlon Humphrey and without Marcus Peters. That's a problem. Then a couple of days part of the game, they lose Chris Westrey and they lose Jimmy Smith and they're gonna try to stop Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams. So to me, again, you look at the context, you look at the circumstances, the situation. He knows what they got. Aaron Rodgers was moving the ball on him, and he knew if he gets into overtime, if they get the ball one time, just like happening in an overtime game earlier this week, if we get into that situation, they very well may drive score and we'll never have a chance. So to me, this was a smart coach making a smart decision knowing the circumstances of his team. And again, I love the analytics, but I also think that both things were working in his favor. Not only you know again, but when you take the analytics, you have to put the situation and circumstance, put it into context, folks. I think that's so well, said Scott. I don't think it was an analytics decision, you know. I just think it was a football field decision, A reality decision is and I would encourage everybody there. There is the one minute kind of correspondence between him and the football team of hey, guys, if we score here, do we want to go for two or do we want to kick the extra point? And they're having a great conversation coaching player, man, listen, we could kick this extra point, we can go to overtime, and we're all good, you know, like we got a chance, and he's like, what do you guys want to do? Like do we do? In The players obviously are like, let's let's go for two. Coach, let's go win the football game. And it wasn't like he was like, okay, let's go. Like they kept having a conversation. I think it's something that you cannot measure. And I said this years ago with Frank Reich when they went on that run Indie, when they went for it on fourth down at midfield. I think it was three or four years ago. When a coach chooses to confirm to his football team that I believe in you guys. I do not care if they're eight years old or twenty eight years old. That has impact. And one of the reasons why Baltimore has had the success they have had outside of their talent is they got a heck of a football coach. And I think if they sat here today and said would we do it again? I think they would say yes, yes. But the analytics guys never take any of that into account. Like if you're the analytics Twitter patrol, that kills a guy for I get it. But like there are a lot of guys with blue checkmarks next to their names on Twitter. That's say, there is a chart that says go for two this point in a game, and that's all they look at. They look at score, they look at chart. They don't care what kind of a team you've got, what the momentum is like, what the feeling of the whether you're home, whether you're away, what kind of a team you have, Like, Look, I've been calling college football games for close to thirty years. I've done the Jets for twenty years, uh NFL games before that, So I don't know how many football games I've called in my life or watched in my life. I'm fifty years old, but watching football since the seventies. When I think back on any of the big, like emotion filled comebacks the teams have made. You mentioned Frank, I mean going back to Frank Reich and the Bills against the Oilers right in the playoffs twenty five years ago, or however long ago that was. It is always a team riding a tidal wave of emotion and the team on the other side, like what happened to the Falcons of the Super Bowl, right, there was a feeling when the Patriots got rolling. There was a feeling when the Patriots got rolling in that game of oh no, like we are powerless to stop this. There was never a moment in any of those big, emotion filled comebacks that a team has had that I can ever remember looking back and saying, you know, that analytics decision they made with seven minutes to go is why they were able to win the game. And I think what John Harpall was doing in that moment was, as you said, Dan, looking in the player's eyes, right, feeling the emotion of the game, feeling that this team is rolling. I've got this quarterback that I don't know if I want to go head to head with Aaron Rodgers in overtime. I'd rather let this guy try and make a play from the two yard line and finish off this emotion filled comeback to me that like, that's a coaching decision, that that's a human being decision. That's when you are dealing with the guys on your team and knowing there's a human being under the helmet. We're in this situation, feeling the emotion of the building and making a decision based on that, And a lot of the great comebacks I've seen are called in my life. That's much more. It's based on what it's based on than then a guy looking at a two point chart with nine minutes to go down nine and saying, here's the spot to go for tool. It's a tool, just right, it's context. It's part of the decision making process. It's not the end all and be all of the decision making process. And that's why I respect it and understand it and want to understand it. And then you still have to make an adult situation based on again because all the things that you mentioned, Bob, but this needs to be we need to do a whole segment on this in the offseason, just the whole idea of I'm serious because there's there's this. People are so passionate in their positions on this that one side because again, I'm a football guy, and I remember at times having these discussions, and what happens is people don't know how to handle themselves when they have this disagreement because the football guys disrespect the analytics guys. The analytics guys disrespect the football guys. Everyone goes in order to win the argument. They go right to the point of being so disrespectful and triggering the insecurity that the other has. The football people say, you've never worn a jockstrap, right, and and and that affects the analytics people. The analytics people say, oh, you're a dumb football guy. And it's this whole It's like people don't know how to argue anymore, and people don't all right, and and and and I tell you it was one of the greatest strengths of mine and Belichick's relationship was our ability to disagree when we saw things and talk things through. And yeah, there were times there was name calling, but there was so much trust within the relationship that it became like kidding, name calling, and even when you got passionate about it, there was this underlying respect. Um, anyway, I'm digressing here. Let's let's put a pin in that one for the offseason. Guess now I want to talk about in the office season. You're right, and then we definitely can. But um, I think talking about the fact that there's a pie chart, right, and every part of that pie chart has a worthy sliver to talk about. And so yeah, it's the holiday season and I'm a tubby guy, so we could talk about pie whatever you want as well. All right, when we come back on tapeds. Uh, the Packers, they clenched the playoff spot. That was a big story. But the team that they're kind of fighting it out for the one seed with maybe the Cardinals. What is going on in Arizona. A loss to the Lions, that's something we're gonna talk about and we come back. And also the Bills snapping their two game losing streak against the Panthers. But they've got the Patriots this week, a game that could determine the outcome in the a f C East. Ultimately, two big teams we're gonna talk about and we come back. Cardinals and Bills on tap, its welcome back to Tape, its Bobo she wasing Dan or Loaves, keep Scott Pioli. Alright, guys, a team that was rolling to start off the season. The last undefeated team, if I remember right, in the National Football League at one point was the Arizona Cardinals. Now they've stumbled, and of course it's eye opening if you lose to a team like the Lions. Uh, Dan, how concerned are you right now about this Cardinals team. They've got to get their guys all back and be healthy, obviously. I mean that's that's the number one jumping off point. When they've got all their weapons, they're a different team. But what team is healthy at this point of the season, right? The concerns in Arizona, Yeah, they're legit, they're real. I don't think you know you mentioned getting their guys back and healthy. That's not happening. DeAndre Hopkins is not going to come back, at least per reports, until potentially the NFC title game. JJ is obviously not coming back. Here's why the loss for DeAndre Hopkins matters so much. Number one, and I would have again not have said this six weeks ago. You should not blitz Kyler Murray six weeks ago. Absolutely gas him up right now. Not two reasons. The offensive line has started to play poorly, crumble, especially on the interior. And DeAndre Hopkins was the guy that Kyla trusted, believed in. I getta at the bottom of hands. I'm hot, I'm warm, this guy's not. And hop had such great feel for stuff, specifically when he was on the inside. That's why I'm so concerned about this loss that DeAndre Hopkins, and I feel like people have watered it down and it's almost a disrespectful thing that DeAndre I mean Dean dre is at wide receiver. I think there's probably four or five scheme changers. When I say that, I mean when defensive coaches sit down, the first question that week getting ready for their Cardinals is what are we doing with DeAndre Hopkins? He changes everything on a play by play play basis that defenses will do to them. So that's number one. The number two thing is they don't really have a number one or a number two receiver on offense right now. You know A. J. Green was playing such a nice role because he was the number three option. Christian Kirk was playing such a nice role because he was their vertical speed option. Ron Dale Moore was playing such a nice role because he was the gadget guy. They don't have a one right now, and that's so hard to build an offense around when you don't have a guy that you as a route runner, that you feel can win on a consistent basis, because their offense is not a San Francisco, a Indianapolis, a Minnesota type of offense where you know they the scheme is going to help cats get open their offenses. Let's spread you out, get you into space, or go win on your route. And so that's why it's a huge concern of mine. And then defensively, I just think they can get the ball run on them with big people. And again I think we're gonna see that out of Indy this week. So yeah, I am. I am legit concerned about Arizona because of the loss of j J and big time because of the loss of Hop and the Hop injury is the one that really concerns me because the way you describe and you both know how careful I am in terms of my word choice of good, great, average, below average. He is a great slash elite player in the league. You're right, people have to do things and they have to know where he's at on the field all the time, and he's a game changer, and with his absence that creates a huge problem for their offense. I go back to the beginning of the year and then even watching this unfold, and for some reason, to me, they've been one of the most surprising teams this season because I did not go into this season thinking they were going to be this much on the radar and be this good. And Bob you mentioned earlier they were the last team to lose a game. They were undefeated longer than anybody, and I was scratching my head because I looked at the roster, I looked at the way they were playing, and it was it was good. It wasn't great what they were making. So many things happen situationally and in perfect timing and situations, and the way that Kyler was playing, he was the difference. Hop was the difference. And I still said, I was saying to myself, if either one of these players have an issue or get injured, it's going to be a real problem for this team. And to me, Um, I'm concerned about them heading down the stretch. Dan, you talk about their running game and how good they're running game can or can't be. You know, if they've got to start playing some playoff games in some in some places and spaces where the weathers, whether it's you know, going to Green Bay or having to go other places in the NFC where the weather isn't as you know, friendly to the offense, it may become a real problem for them. Yeah, I want to switch to the Bills now. This game with the Patriots this week. I mean this really like this is it? If not now, when for Buffalo? Because if they win this division, they will be heavily favored I think too then win or if they win this game, I should say they should be then heavily favored to win the division because they would have a lead in the divisional record, they would have split head to head with the Patriots. Each team would have one divisional game left. New England would have to go to Miami. The Jets wrap up the season at Buffalo. So there's your last divisional game for the Bills. They win this game, they I think are gonna win the a f C East. That was as the quote unquote super Bowl favorite. If not Kansas City in the a f C where we expected them to be at the beginning of the year. Maybe a little bit more of a rocky road that we expected them to have to get here. But it's right there in front of Buffalo. Dan. What has to happen this Sunday for the Bills to this happen. Yeah, I mean, obviously not get forty mile consistent win. It's going to be that's not the forecast for them. Good for them. So I think Buffalo is so jackal and hide offensively, it's really tough. I would say this again, like we're in the week fifteen or sixteen of the NFL season. I don't want to come on here and on this podcast and tell people what teams are good at. That's lazy. I want to tell people the things like, Hey, this is this is concerning you know, this is this is what to pay attention to in this game. I think that offensively, the right side of their offensive line, Bill is going to attack it. They're they're the right side of their offensive line has really started to struggle in protection. And I don't believe, and I love Brian Dable, I don't believe he does a ton to mask that in a ton to help that, and that is candidly disappointing. So they ask a lot of Josh in their drop back passing game. Two things that I think that they should do more of, and they against New England, I would do a ton of. I would spread New England out. I would spread New England out and try to get a spread run game going. You can't go to New England and chuck and duck fifty times and think that this is gonna work out well. So spread run game, meaning I wouldn't have my tight end attached to the line of scrimmage often too next to my tackles. I tried to spread them out and make them play in space a little bit like San Francisco did last year, and see with some formation and some motion if I can just crease them a little bit in the run game, I can. I ask a question, Yeah, in that spread run game, would you guys have much more of a designed run presence for Josh Allen's situation self. Situationally, he didn't run it a lot in that game up in Buffalo, and he probably could have helped them if he did. Bobby, I would say, situation, I think it's a good question. You always I know he's a big monster of a human, but you he's taken a lot of hits right now as well because of the poor protection. So it's you know, situationally third and short, second and short to get my rhythm going red zone. Yes, um, And then honestly, I think they should use bootleg way more in their offense with him. I think it's a good thing for them both with their skill position guys on the outside running away from coverage. I think him on the perimeter just being active helps their offense. I don't think they do that enough. I think it protects him a little bit. Now he's got to do his responsibility and making sure he's not taking shots. But those would be two things that I would look for Buffalo to do more moving forward and specifically starting this weekend. Yeah, you know, you talk about protection, and you just mentioned something. There's different ways to protect your quarterback, right and if you have an offensive line that's struggling or people or as you mentioned, a side of the offensive line that's struggling right now, you do things to help the protection. Again, I was around some really really smart football people that I learned offense from by watching them and listening to them, and they did things like you know, with with the tight end, they did things with the chip, they did things with moving the pocket. You mentioned bootleg. You've got a quarterback who has an extraordinarily strong arm and good accuracy. He doesn't have rare accuracy, but to get him moving and throwing on the move is something that Josh Allen can do. Get him doing it. Go with some of the screens, go withdraws, go with smart football. You know, Brian Dable learned the screen game under Charlie White, who learned it under Ron Earhart and Dan Henning, some of the best not only play callers in terms of knowing when to run the screen, but executing the screen and the detail of the screen because it takes a lot of work. Those are ways that you can additionally protect your quarterback and improve your passing game by doing things that are not necessarily just about adding a man to protection. So this is gonna be a really interesting game. I think one of the things that the Bills are gonna if the Bills want to succeed, part of what they're gonna have to do is play with emotion, but harness some of that emotion and not let some of what just happened a couple of weeks ago leak into their psyche too much, because that can become probably mattic. Because knowing Bill Bills looking at this game right now, saying, Okay, if this gets emotionalness becomes a fistfight, we know we can do that. If we have to play thoughtful football, we know that we can do that because the Patriots have this incredible balance. It was one of the things that again working with Bill and both Belichick and Parcels and watching them, some teams talk about this all gas, no breaks and being physical, and you don't need to be thoughtless when you're going that hard. It doesn't need to be all gas, no breaks and not necessarily be thoughtful because being aggressive and being thoughtful those things you can do them both at the same time. They don't need to be mutually exclusive. And to me, that has been one of the that is one of the keys coming up to this game because it's going to be extremely emotional. Well, there were some emotions. On Monday night. We saw a Vikings win that kept them alive. The Browns also faced a big time opponent and they have a bigger opponent this week than the Raiders. They're gonna get their quarterback back. That's obviously a question. It's almost time for the playoffs. We're gonna talk about that and we get back on TAPEDS. Welcome back as we wrap up this week on TAPEDS final segment with Bobo Shoes and Dan Orlovsky and Scott Pioli and guys. With this wacky COVID situation that we are still dealing with in the National Football League, it has crept back into the league. It forced a bunch of delayed starts, and we had a couple of games on Monday, we had Tuesday games, and those Monday games were those games that kind of put the final stake in the heart of a couple of teams. And I wonder Raiders Browns are we now looking at that as you know, the a litmus test game for both of those teams. Where the Raiders still alive? Would you count the Browns out? Where where do you sit on both of those teams down? I think both of them are out to trust the Raiders to the fact that they have to get hit a game. When you listen, winning is winning, that's great, but game winning field goal um, and it's really because of a poor execution aspect defensively by Cleveland at the end of the game. I don't trust the Raiders. I think they're out in Cleveland. Was it I don't want to say fair, that's not you know, was it um ideal circumstances to have to play that game the way it was in a must win situation. No, But I think that the reality was they had multiple games before the season to play better football and they did not. Um. And so yeah, I I think that that game kind of because here's the thing, Cincinnati controls its own destiny. So while you're gonna need help, Cleveland, and you're gonna have to play better football. And I just think that there's better teams in the a f C significantly than both of them for those final you know, really five six, seven spots and I'm right where Dan is. I think both are out at this point in time. And I think the word I think you even said, the wild inconsistency of both teams over the course of the season and currently is just too much. Now they may look into it, um, you know, the Browns. Uh. I'm not sure the Raiders will, but I think that the Browns have a chance to to look into it. But still if they make it, um, because we you know, we just keep wanting more teams in the playoffs. I just think it's going to be a little bit more difficult. They haven't done enough. Both teams have been inconsistent over the course of the season. Dan, you mentioned this, you know, this past weekend in the situation they were put in. Really the league did them a favor by giving them an extra couple of days here, and it still didn't into me. Again, another conversation for another time, but the the inconsistency of how we said we're going to police that as a league and what we're gonna do and how we're gonna make decisions on covid um actually worked in the benefit, you know, of the Browns and against the Raiders, and when you're a team that's traveling and what they had to go through in terms of their thought process and being able to concentrate on and focus on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, all of the logistics, all of the nonsense, all of the uncertainty made it a really tough road trip for the Raiders. And um, I'm not saying that's an excuse for them. But this, this circumstance was not fair for either team. And you know what, as a wise coach used to say one time, you know, life ain't fair. Fair is a place where they go and judge the pigs. So it ain't fair in the NFL. Ain't fair. And uh, that's just the way it is. But I see it really difficult for you the team trying to get back in. I'm starting to realize at the end of this podcast, we're gonna have to get like a whole bunch of Scott Pioli sayings and get them all crocheted on pillows and give them out as holiday gifts. Because that's that's about as good as it gainst. Right you do is where you're going to judge the pigs. I'm gonna put that on my living room couch. Um. You know it's I guess in a way shows how unfair it was to Cleveland as well, because based it seemed on the outcome for their testing as much as any team in the NFL. The leap changed going forward. Now how they're going to test. They're only gonna test symptomatic players. So, as I understand it, a lot of those Cleveland guys would have never been out of the lineup to begin with, much less not out of the lineup still on Monday, if they were only testing symptomatic players. But it does seem I think a step in the right direction for the league. Maybe society will follow as a whole. That that maybe the way they've changed their thought process dealing with the virus going forward. Yes, Bob, but there would have been other games, other weeks earlier in the season if the rule was different, that other teams would have different stances. So everyone's losing here or hey, everyone's winning. Either way you look at it. Final team I want to touch on before we say goodbye for this edition of tapeds the Vikings. If the playoffs began tomorrow, I think they'd have the last wild card spot in the NFC. But their next two games are home rams at Packers. So look, Kirk Cousins was supposed to be the thirty some odd million dollar quarterback that was brought there to finally get a team that might be a quarterback away from realizing their potential and being a real good football team and being a playoff team. Are we gonna be sitting here next week? Or the week after again talking about a Vikings team that falls just short of making the playoffs. We might be, but I don't think it'll be because of kirk Um. I think it would be because of their run defense. You know, if I was a team, I would run split flow at Minnesota, you know, meaning I'd start a guy on one side of the line of scrimmage and bring him across the line of scrimmage and run the ball at them. Relatively well, I think you could throw it on them as well. On the perimeter. I think their corners are okay, but not good enough. I really just thought Chicago's defense played really well, and I thought it was a credit to them. Not having theeland certainly mattered um, but I thought Chicago's defense, with their kind of backups, played really really good football. So I want to credit them. But I think kirk again is a guy that's having another very good season. Uh. Their balance on offense is spectacular. Hopefully for them feeling comes back. I think Justin Jefferson is one of the best route runners in the league right now. So I just think if if Minnesota is going to kind of fall on its face where they're right in the mix, or if not get in. I don't think it's gonna because Kirk Cousins kind of choked, so to speak, which is the not Tory's story about him. I think it's gonna because man, they they faced the team that could run the football and then and schematically did it the right way. Yeah. What I love about these next two weeks, Bob, as you say, the Rams and the Packers as well. You know, it's playoff season. Here we go, the playoffs start now. You want to be the best, or have a shot at being the best, you gotta beat some of the best, and some of the best are the Rams and the Packers. So so let's go. And you know, talking about the Vikings again with Kirk Cousins, good season Again. I've always seen him as I don't like the fact that he's a punching bag because he's not a bad football player. I also think that he's an above average player that has good games. And some of his best games are when he has Adam Feeling and Dalvin Cook at his disposal, and that makes him, you know, again, above average good sometimes And and I don't like that he's a punching bad because it's not fair because he's not a bad quarterback. He doesn't blow games. But I also think again there there there's a ceiling on his performance or a consistency in his performance that is based on having the right people around him. Well, we would always want you to rape, subscribe, hit us up on social media, tell your friends down the stretch we come in the National Football League as we are talking playoffs, and there will be a lot to talk about after we get done with the games this weekend, because coming up we've got Colts, Cardinals, Ravens, Bengals, Rams, Vikings, Bills, Patriots. It's a lot on the line and all of those games, and we will be back on Tuesday and talk through all of it. Hope that you will join us then

Welcome to another episode of Tape Heads. Babo shus In here with Dan Orlovsky. You see him all the time at the touch screen on Get Up, on ESPN Sports Center, NFL Live, and also my partner on College Football It's got the only, of course, longtime general manager in the National Football League. And on this podcast again we try to crawl behind the xs and os and give you what the guys see when they watch the tape. And it is amazing how often we talk about NFL football games coming down to a handful of plays. Well, Packers Ravens again for the Ravens in one of these huge spots, arguably came down to one play. Here, the Ravens swat left Andrews wide right motion from a tight end of the wing of the lift side Huntley and the shotgun Looktavius Murray too was right snapped hunt Any Roles right throws right side of the ends up Pettison complete, incomplete right corner of the ends on in front of the pilot and incomplete. The Packers are gonna hang on and win this game. Another tough loss for Baltimore where John Harball decides to go for two for the win at the end. And guys, let's start at least with that coaching decision. I know a lot of people wanted with momentum to play for overtime. Dan, you took the stance, and I agree with it that. I have no problem with the decision that coach Hardball made again to take a quarterback that was rolling and an offense that probably felt real good about themselves in a game where I can't imagine anyone was going to give them a big chance to win in the first place. Put it the two yard line and let them try to go make a play. That's what he did, and his team supported him. Yeah, I just think coach Hardball. I also love the fact that he goes into detailed explanation of why. Now let's get into this a little bit. So first of all, should they have gone for two when they were down eight initially? That would be the analytics with five correct, because then if you get that two point conversion successfully and you score another touchdown, the extra point wins the football game for you. If you don't get that two point conversion and you score a touchdown, you still have the chance to go for two in that moment and at least tie the game. The reason why I agree with Coach Hardball is Number one, if you kick the extra point, three things can really happen. One, you tie the game, you give the ball back to Aaron Rodgers with forty three seconds left. He goes down kicks a game winning field goal. Game over. Number two, you give the ball back to Aaron Rodgers, you kick the extra point. You give the ball back to Aaron Rodgers, you get a stop, You go into overtime, they win the coin toss, you have to get a stop. Number three, you kick the extra point, you get a stop of Aaron Rodgers. You go into overtime, and either they get the ball and you get a stop, or you win the coin toss, go down and score touchdown. Game over. I have to get to my third option before I ever can win that football game, which I have no business winning with all the injuries that they had to deal with and being down multiple scores in the fourth quarter. Where if you go for you in that situation, you are either going to give the ball back with forty three seconds left and he will go and kick a game winning field goal, or you were gonna win the football game. So that's why I think that was the right decision in the moment. Now, the play call, I don't hate the play call. I know people have said that they've hated it. Mark Andrews by himself, spread right, you cut the field in half. This is this is my my thought process on it. Um as a quarterback, when you get down there into that tight world where it's on the two yard line. So if you play the drop back pass game, which is everyone's like I wanted him to play in the drop back game, he's killing him in the drop back game, all right, So Number one, Green Bay can all out pressure me. Baltimore has not had an answer for all out blitz since two thousand eighteen, so especially for a quarterback who hasn't seen it down there. That happened so quickly that that that's one of the reasons why I'm like, I don't love that. Number two. You get crazy kinds of coverages down there, and that world. You can combo this guy, combo that guy, double this guy, double that guy. Where I think they just said Mark Andrews, who had not been covered all game, we're gonna give him the chance and we're going to think that. I think if Huntly makes it better, throw the game's over, you know, to the front pylon. And the last thing I would say is this, and Bob, you know this because we did the Penn State Illinois game. It is very, very hard as a play caller to call a play that has to get three yards but cannot get twelve. That that is a very small window of plays that you can design that has to get three but can't get twelve. And we and all eleven Cats know that on defense. So I agree with the decision. I don't hate the play called. I think it's the greatest one I've seen. No, but I don't hate it. Yeah, you know so I'm gonna start in reverse where where Dan was because when it comes to the play call, Dan's more qualified than me, and the coaches on the Raven staff are more qualified. I don't have a problem with the play I understand what they were doing because I'm a firm believer in critical situations, think of players, not plays. They went to the guy that was their most dependable player on field. It didn't work out, so again, but I'll leave the play calling to people who are better at it than me. I want to go to the decision. I'm absolutely fine with the decision because to me, here here's what it comes down to. And this has become about this analytics and this analytics thing is so polarizing and what we lose in the context of analytics. Because I'm a I respect analytics, and I believe in analytics. I also believe that this decision really didn't have anything to do with the analytics as much as it had to do with the context and circumstance. And I want to repeat that again because to me, that's what this decision making comes down to. Because when we talk about going forward on fourth down, when we can talk about a two point play, you have to pay attention to the analytics, pay attention to the numbers, but understand the exact circumstances and the context of the game. Now, two weeks ago, John Harbaugh talked about the issues in his secondary and when he went went for it, he didn't think that his offer or his defense could control and take care of the Steelers offense. He was concerned. Now let's go back to the context of this decision. In this game, in the second half, the Packers had four drives. The first one took it sixty eight yards touchdown, the second drive eight yards touchdown. Third drive, they only they only get eighteen yards and they get a field goal the next time. They forced the Packers to punt. They went into that game without Marlon Humphrey and without Marcus Peters. That's a problem. Then a couple of days part of the game, they lose Chris Westrey and they lose Jimmy Smith and they're gonna try to stop Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams. So to me, again, you look at the context, you look at the circumstances, the situation. He knows what they got. Aaron Rodgers was moving the ball on him, and he knew if he gets into overtime, if they get the ball one time, just like happening in an overtime game earlier this week, if we get into that situation, they very well may drive score and we'll never have a chance. So to me, this was a smart coach making a smart decision knowing the circumstances of his team. And again, I love the analytics, but I also think that both things were working in his favor. Not only you know again, but when you take the analytics, you have to put the situation and circumstance, put it into context, folks. I think that's so well, said Scott. I don't think it was an analytics decision, you know. I just think it was a football field decision, A reality decision is and I would encourage everybody there. There is the one minute kind of correspondence between him and the football team of hey, guys, if we score here, do we want to go for two or do we want to kick the extra point? And they're having a great conversation coaching player, man, listen, we could kick this extra point, we can go to overtime, and we're all good, you know, like we got a chance, and he's like, what do you guys want to do? Like do we do? In The players obviously are like, let's let's go for two. Coach, let's go win the football game. And it wasn't like he was like, okay, let's go. Like they kept having a conversation. I think it's something that you cannot measure. And I said this years ago with Frank Reich when they went on that run Indie, when they went for it on fourth down at midfield. I think it was three or four years ago. When a coach chooses to confirm to his football team that I believe in you guys. I do not care if they're eight years old or twenty eight years old. That has impact. And one of the reasons why Baltimore has had the success they have had outside of their talent is they got a heck of a football coach. And I think if they sat here today and said would we do it again? I think they would say yes, yes. But the analytics guys never take any of that into account. Like if you're the analytics Twitter patrol, that kills a guy for I get it. But like there are a lot of guys with blue checkmarks next to their names on Twitter. That's say, there is a chart that says go for two this point in a game, and that's all they look at. They look at score, they look at chart. They don't care what kind of a team you've got, what the momentum is like, what the feeling of the whether you're home, whether you're away, what kind of a team you have, Like, Look, I've been calling college football games for close to thirty years. I've done the Jets for twenty years, uh NFL games before that, So I don't know how many football games I've called in my life or watched in my life. I'm fifty years old, but watching football since the seventies. When I think back on any of the big, like emotion filled comebacks the teams have made. You mentioned Frank, I mean going back to Frank Reich and the Bills against the Oilers right in the playoffs twenty five years ago, or however long ago that was. It is always a team riding a tidal wave of emotion and the team on the other side, like what happened to the Falcons of the Super Bowl, right, there was a feeling when the Patriots got rolling. There was a feeling when the Patriots got rolling in that game of oh no, like we are powerless to stop this. There was never a moment in any of those big, emotion filled comebacks that a team has had that I can ever remember looking back and saying, you know, that analytics decision they made with seven minutes to go is why they were able to win the game. And I think what John Harpall was doing in that moment was, as you said, Dan, looking in the player's eyes, right, feeling the emotion of the game, feeling that this team is rolling. I've got this quarterback that I don't know if I want to go head to head with Aaron Rodgers in overtime. I'd rather let this guy try and make a play from the two yard line and finish off this emotion filled comeback to me that like, that's a coaching decision, that that's a human being decision. That's when you are dealing with the guys on your team and knowing there's a human being under the helmet. We're in this situation, feeling the emotion of the building and making a decision based on that, And a lot of the great comebacks I've seen are called in my life. That's much more. It's based on what it's based on than then a guy looking at a two point chart with nine minutes to go down nine and saying, here's the spot to go for tool. It's a tool, just right, it's context. It's part of the decision making process. It's not the end all and be all of the decision making process. And that's why I respect it and understand it and want to understand it. And then you still have to make an adult situation based on again because all the things that you mentioned, Bob, but this needs to be we need to do a whole segment on this in the offseason, just the whole idea of I'm serious because there's there's this. People are so passionate in their positions on this that one side because again, I'm a football guy, and I remember at times having these discussions, and what happens is people don't know how to handle themselves when they have this disagreement because the football guys disrespect the analytics guys. The analytics guys disrespect the football guys. Everyone goes in order to win the argument. They go right to the point of being so disrespectful and triggering the insecurity that the other has. The football people say, you've never worn a jockstrap, right, and and and that affects the analytics people. The analytics people say, oh, you're a dumb football guy. And it's this whole It's like people don't know how to argue anymore, and people don't all right, and and and and I tell you it was one of the greatest strengths of mine and Belichick's relationship was our ability to disagree when we saw things and talk things through. And yeah, there were times there was name calling, but there was so much trust within the relationship that it became like kidding, name calling, and even when you got passionate about it, there was this underlying respect. Um, anyway, I'm digressing here. Let's let's put a pin in that one for the offseason. Guess now I want to talk about in the office season. You're right, and then we definitely can. But um, I think talking about the fact that there's a pie chart, right, and every part of that pie chart has a worthy sliver to talk about. And so yeah, it's the holiday season and I'm a tubby guy, so we could talk about pie whatever you want as well. All right, when we come back on tapeds. Uh, the Packers, they clenched the playoff spot. That was a big story. But the team that they're kind of fighting it out for the one seed with maybe the Cardinals. What is going on in Arizona. A loss to the Lions, that's something we're gonna talk about and we come back. And also the Bills snapping their two game losing streak against the Panthers. But they've got the Patriots this week, a game that could determine the outcome in the a f C East. Ultimately, two big teams we're gonna talk about and we come back. Cardinals and Bills on tap, its welcome back to Tape, its Bobo she wasing Dan or Loaves, keep Scott Pioli. Alright, guys, a team that was rolling to start off the season. The last undefeated team, if I remember right, in the National Football League at one point was the Arizona Cardinals. Now they've stumbled, and of course it's eye opening if you lose to a team like the Lions. Uh, Dan, how concerned are you right now about this Cardinals team. They've got to get their guys all back and be healthy, obviously. I mean that's that's the number one jumping off point. When they've got all their weapons, they're a different team. But what team is healthy at this point of the season, right? The concerns in Arizona, Yeah, they're legit, they're real. I don't think you know you mentioned getting their guys back and healthy. That's not happening. DeAndre Hopkins is not going to come back, at least per reports, until potentially the NFC title game. JJ is obviously not coming back. Here's why the loss for DeAndre Hopkins matters so much. Number one, and I would have again not have said this six weeks ago. You should not blitz Kyler Murray six weeks ago. Absolutely gas him up right now. Not two reasons. The offensive line has started to play poorly, crumble, especially on the interior. And DeAndre Hopkins was the guy that Kyla trusted, believed in. I getta at the bottom of hands. I'm hot, I'm warm, this guy's not. And hop had such great feel for stuff, specifically when he was on the inside. That's why I'm so concerned about this loss that DeAndre Hopkins, and I feel like people have watered it down and it's almost a disrespectful thing that DeAndre I mean Dean dre is at wide receiver. I think there's probably four or five scheme changers. When I say that, I mean when defensive coaches sit down, the first question that week getting ready for their Cardinals is what are we doing with DeAndre Hopkins? He changes everything on a play by play play basis that defenses will do to them. So that's number one. The number two thing is they don't really have a number one or a number two receiver on offense right now. You know A. J. Green was playing such a nice role because he was the number three option. Christian Kirk was playing such a nice role because he was their vertical speed option. Ron Dale Moore was playing such a nice role because he was the gadget guy. They don't have a one right now, and that's so hard to build an offense around when you don't have a guy that you as a route runner, that you feel can win on a consistent basis, because their offense is not a San Francisco, a Indianapolis, a Minnesota type of offense where you know they the scheme is going to help cats get open their offenses. Let's spread you out, get you into space, or go win on your route. And so that's why it's a huge concern of mine. And then defensively, I just think they can get the ball run on them with big people. And again I think we're gonna see that out of Indy this week. So yeah, I am. I am legit concerned about Arizona because of the loss of j J and big time because of the loss of Hop and the Hop injury is the one that really concerns me because the way you describe and you both know how careful I am in terms of my word choice of good, great, average, below average. He is a great slash elite player in the league. You're right, people have to do things and they have to know where he's at on the field all the time, and he's a game changer, and with his absence that creates a huge problem for their offense. I go back to the beginning of the year and then even watching this unfold, and for some reason, to me, they've been one of the most surprising teams this season because I did not go into this season thinking they were going to be this much on the radar and be this good. And Bob you mentioned earlier they were the last team to lose a game. They were undefeated longer than anybody, and I was scratching my head because I looked at the roster, I looked at the way they were playing, and it was it was good. It wasn't great what they were making. So many things happen situationally and in perfect timing and situations, and the way that Kyler was playing, he was the difference. Hop was the difference. And I still said, I was saying to myself, if either one of these players have an issue or get injured, it's going to be a real problem for this team. And to me, Um, I'm concerned about them heading down the stretch. Dan, you talk about their running game and how good they're running game can or can't be. You know, if they've got to start playing some playoff games in some in some places and spaces where the weathers, whether it's you know, going to Green Bay or having to go other places in the NFC where the weather isn't as you know, friendly to the offense, it may become a real problem for them. Yeah, I want to switch to the Bills now. This game with the Patriots this week. I mean this really like this is it? If not now, when for Buffalo? Because if they win this division, they will be heavily favored I think too then win or if they win this game, I should say they should be then heavily favored to win the division because they would have a lead in the divisional record, they would have split head to head with the Patriots. Each team would have one divisional game left. New England would have to go to Miami. The Jets wrap up the season at Buffalo. So there's your last divisional game for the Bills. They win this game, they I think are gonna win the a f C East. That was as the quote unquote super Bowl favorite. If not Kansas City in the a f C where we expected them to be at the beginning of the year. Maybe a little bit more of a rocky road that we expected them to have to get here. But it's right there in front of Buffalo. Dan. What has to happen this Sunday for the Bills to this happen. Yeah, I mean, obviously not get forty mile consistent win. It's going to be that's not the forecast for them. Good for them. So I think Buffalo is so jackal and hide offensively, it's really tough. I would say this again, like we're in the week fifteen or sixteen of the NFL season. I don't want to come on here and on this podcast and tell people what teams are good at. That's lazy. I want to tell people the things like, Hey, this is this is concerning you know, this is this is what to pay attention to in this game. I think that offensively, the right side of their offensive line, Bill is going to attack it. They're they're the right side of their offensive line has really started to struggle in protection. And I don't believe, and I love Brian Dable, I don't believe he does a ton to mask that in a ton to help that, and that is candidly disappointing. So they ask a lot of Josh in their drop back passing game. Two things that I think that they should do more of, and they against New England, I would do a ton of. I would spread New England out. I would spread New England out and try to get a spread run game going. You can't go to New England and chuck and duck fifty times and think that this is gonna work out well. So spread run game, meaning I wouldn't have my tight end attached to the line of scrimmage often too next to my tackles. I tried to spread them out and make them play in space a little bit like San Francisco did last year, and see with some formation and some motion if I can just crease them a little bit in the run game, I can. I ask a question, Yeah, in that spread run game, would you guys have much more of a designed run presence for Josh Allen's situation self. Situationally, he didn't run it a lot in that game up in Buffalo, and he probably could have helped them if he did. Bobby, I would say, situation, I think it's a good question. You always I know he's a big monster of a human, but you he's taken a lot of hits right now as well because of the poor protection. So it's you know, situationally third and short, second and short to get my rhythm going red zone. Yes, um, And then honestly, I think they should use bootleg way more in their offense with him. I think it's a good thing for them both with their skill position guys on the outside running away from coverage. I think him on the perimeter just being active helps their offense. I don't think they do that enough. I think it protects him a little bit. Now he's got to do his responsibility and making sure he's not taking shots. But those would be two things that I would look for Buffalo to do more moving forward and specifically starting this weekend. Yeah, you know, you talk about protection, and you just mentioned something. There's different ways to protect your quarterback, right and if you have an offensive line that's struggling or people or as you mentioned, a side of the offensive line that's struggling right now, you do things to help the protection. Again, I was around some really really smart football people that I learned offense from by watching them and listening to them, and they did things like you know, with with the tight end, they did things with the chip, they did things with moving the pocket. You mentioned bootleg. You've got a quarterback who has an extraordinarily strong arm and good accuracy. He doesn't have rare accuracy, but to get him moving and throwing on the move is something that Josh Allen can do. Get him doing it. Go with some of the screens, go withdraws, go with smart football. You know, Brian Dable learned the screen game under Charlie White, who learned it under Ron Earhart and Dan Henning, some of the best not only play callers in terms of knowing when to run the screen, but executing the screen and the detail of the screen because it takes a lot of work. Those are ways that you can additionally protect your quarterback and improve your passing game by doing things that are not necessarily just about adding a man to protection. So this is gonna be a really interesting game. I think one of the things that the Bills are gonna if the Bills want to succeed, part of what they're gonna have to do is play with emotion, but harness some of that emotion and not let some of what just happened a couple of weeks ago leak into their psyche too much, because that can become probably mattic. Because knowing Bill Bills looking at this game right now, saying, Okay, if this gets emotionalness becomes a fistfight, we know we can do that. If we have to play thoughtful football, we know that we can do that because the Patriots have this incredible balance. It was one of the things that again working with Bill and both Belichick and Parcels and watching them, some teams talk about this all gas, no breaks and being physical, and you don't need to be thoughtless when you're going that hard. It doesn't need to be all gas, no breaks and not necessarily be thoughtful because being aggressive and being thoughtful those things you can do them both at the same time. They don't need to be mutually exclusive. And to me, that has been one of the that is one of the keys coming up to this game because it's going to be extremely emotional. Well, there were some emotions. On Monday night. We saw a Vikings win that kept them alive. The Browns also faced a big time opponent and they have a bigger opponent this week than the Raiders. They're gonna get their quarterback back. That's obviously a question. It's almost time for the playoffs. We're gonna talk about that and we get back on TAPEDS. Welcome back as we wrap up this week on TAPEDS final segment with Bobo Shoes and Dan Orlovsky and Scott Pioli and guys. With this wacky COVID situation that we are still dealing with in the National Football League, it has crept back into the league. It forced a bunch of delayed starts, and we had a couple of games on Monday, we had Tuesday games, and those Monday games were those games that kind of put the final stake in the heart of a couple of teams. And I wonder Raiders Browns are we now looking at that as you know, the a litmus test game for both of those teams. Where the Raiders still alive? Would you count the Browns out? Where where do you sit on both of those teams down? I think both of them are out to trust the Raiders to the fact that they have to get hit a game. When you listen, winning is winning, that's great, but game winning field goal um, and it's really because of a poor execution aspect defensively by Cleveland at the end of the game. I don't trust the Raiders. I think they're out in Cleveland. Was it I don't want to say fair, that's not you know, was it um ideal circumstances to have to play that game the way it was in a must win situation. No, But I think that the reality was they had multiple games before the season to play better football and they did not. Um. And so yeah, I I think that that game kind of because here's the thing, Cincinnati controls its own destiny. So while you're gonna need help, Cleveland, and you're gonna have to play better football. And I just think that there's better teams in the a f C significantly than both of them for those final you know, really five six, seven spots and I'm right where Dan is. I think both are out at this point in time. And I think the word I think you even said, the wild inconsistency of both teams over the course of the season and currently is just too much. Now they may look into it, um, you know, the Browns. Uh. I'm not sure the Raiders will, but I think that the Browns have a chance to to look into it. But still if they make it, um, because we you know, we just keep wanting more teams in the playoffs. I just think it's going to be a little bit more difficult. They haven't done enough. Both teams have been inconsistent over the course of the season. Dan, you mentioned this, you know, this past weekend in the situation they were put in. Really the league did them a favor by giving them an extra couple of days here, and it still didn't into me. Again, another conversation for another time, but the the inconsistency of how we said we're going to police that as a league and what we're gonna do and how we're gonna make decisions on covid um actually worked in the benefit, you know, of the Browns and against the Raiders, and when you're a team that's traveling and what they had to go through in terms of their thought process and being able to concentrate on and focus on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, all of the logistics, all of the nonsense, all of the uncertainty made it a really tough road trip for the Raiders. And um, I'm not saying that's an excuse for them. But this, this circumstance was not fair for either team. And you know what, as a wise coach used to say one time, you know, life ain't fair. Fair is a place where they go and judge the pigs. So it ain't fair in the NFL. Ain't fair. And uh, that's just the way it is. But I see it really difficult for you the team trying to get back in. I'm starting to realize at the end of this podcast, we're gonna have to get like a whole bunch of Scott Pioli sayings and get them all crocheted on pillows and give them out as holiday gifts. Because that's that's about as good as it gainst. Right you do is where you're going to judge the pigs. I'm gonna put that on my living room couch. Um. You know it's I guess in a way shows how unfair it was to Cleveland as well, because based it seemed on the outcome for their testing as much as any team in the NFL. The leap changed going forward. Now how they're going to test. They're only gonna test symptomatic players. So, as I understand it, a lot of those Cleveland guys would have never been out of the lineup to begin with, much less not out of the lineup still on Monday, if they were only testing symptomatic players. But it does seem I think a step in the right direction for the league. Maybe society will follow as a whole. That that maybe the way they've changed their thought process dealing with the virus going forward. Yes, Bob, but there would have been other games, other weeks earlier in the season if the rule was different, that other teams would have different stances. So everyone's losing here or hey, everyone's winning. Either way you look at it. Final team I want to touch on before we say goodbye for this edition of tapeds the Vikings. If the playoffs began tomorrow, I think they'd have the last wild card spot in the NFC. But their next two games are home rams at Packers. So look, Kirk Cousins was supposed to be the thirty some odd million dollar quarterback that was brought there to finally get a team that might be a quarterback away from realizing their potential and being a real good football team and being a playoff team. Are we gonna be sitting here next week? Or the week after again talking about a Vikings team that falls just short of making the playoffs. We might be, but I don't think it'll be because of kirk Um. I think it would be because of their run defense. You know, if I was a team, I would run split flow at Minnesota, you know, meaning I'd start a guy on one side of the line of scrimmage and bring him across the line of scrimmage and run the ball at them. Relatively well, I think you could throw it on them as well. On the perimeter. I think their corners are okay, but not good enough. I really just thought Chicago's defense played really well, and I thought it was a credit to them. Not having theeland certainly mattered um, but I thought Chicago's defense, with their kind of backups, played really really good football. So I want to credit them. But I think kirk again is a guy that's having another very good season. Uh. Their balance on offense is spectacular. Hopefully for them feeling comes back. I think Justin Jefferson is one of the best route runners in the league right now. So I just think if if Minnesota is going to kind of fall on its face where they're right in the mix, or if not get in. I don't think it's gonna because Kirk Cousins kind of choked, so to speak, which is the not Tory's story about him. I think it's gonna because man, they they faced the team that could run the football and then and schematically did it the right way. Yeah. What I love about these next two weeks, Bob, as you say, the Rams and the Packers as well. You know, it's playoff season. Here we go, the playoffs start now. You want to be the best, or have a shot at being the best, you gotta beat some of the best, and some of the best are the Rams and the Packers. So so let's go. And you know, talking about the Vikings again with Kirk Cousins, good season Again. I've always seen him as I don't like the fact that he's a punching bag because he's not a bad football player. I also think that he's an above average player that has good games. And some of his best games are when he has Adam Feeling and Dalvin Cook at his disposal, and that makes him, you know, again, above average good sometimes And and I don't like that he's a punching bad because it's not fair because he's not a bad quarterback. He doesn't blow games. But I also think again there there there's a ceiling on his performance or a consistency in his performance that is based on having the right people around him. Well, we would always want you to rape, subscribe, hit us up on social media, tell your friends down the stretch we come in the National Football League as we are talking playoffs, and there will be a lot to talk about after we get done with the games this weekend, because coming up we've got Colts, Cardinals, Ravens, Bengals, Rams, Vikings, Bills, Patriots. It's a lot on the line and all of those games, and we will be back on Tuesday and talk through all of it. Hope that you will join us then