Happy Thanksgiving for the guys. Here a tape its Bobo Shows and Dan Orlovsky Scott p Oli. It is obviously a traditional football day on Thanksgiving Day, and we talked a lot about the three Thanksgiving games in our previous episode. So if you missed that, please feel free to rewind, go back to the one that dropped on Tuesday and listen to what we had to say about the Thanksgiving games. But today we're gonna be looking ahead to this weekend and in a way, looking back at some teams that found a way to solve problems, because there's no bigger problem in the NFL than when your quarterback is hurt, especially if your quarterback's name is Lamar Jackson. But the Ravens found a way to win with Tyler Huntley at quarterback. How did he find out that he was starting last week? Here's the story. He's crazy. I was walking towards the bus and Lamar test He said, I'm gonna do your thing today. I'm gonna be watching, and I was like, all right, let's go. We're the bus was on the bus ride here to the stadium while I was walking to the bus, and that's how it came about did you did you think that you probably were gonna start? You were like, na, Lamar was definitely gonna play, Like, what were you thinking before? Just every week, I feel like, uh, you know, you gotta be one play away with Lamar. He tuts, so, just so you know what you gotta saying. I'm thinking he's gonna play the regardless. Uh he could, he could be breaking out in sweat. I feel like he's gonna play. But today it's just a different circumstances that I happen to play. So Tyler Huntley finds out very much on short notice that he is the quarterback for the Baltimore Ravens. Cult McCoy though he found out he was playing this past week for the Cardinals as well. But that's not the kind of news that's gonna shake him. I've played long enough in this league to understand that those kind of games happened. Um, they're absolutely not fun, and the good teams are able to bounce back from that. And I didn't know if I was going to be a part of that or not. This week with Kyler, you know, kind of just he was really close. I just prepared the same way and had the opportunity to come out here and play, and you know, again, good teams respond to week to week and and we were able to to play really good, complimentary football. All right, So, Dan Orlovski, Scott Poli, it's life in the NFL, right, I mean, how often does your quarterback make it all the way through now seventeen games unscathed. Most teams in the NFL at some point are probably going to have to lean on their backup. And the Ravens did it, and the Cardinals did it and they both got wins. Dan, let's start with the Ravens, and obviously they have to change. Nobody can do with Lamar Jackson does when he's not in there, Like you're back. There's no backup quarterback in the NFL. But no matter who you have, that's gonna come in and do what Lamar Jackson can do. So how does it change just schematically from a play calling standpoint, and how you put the game together when you know he's not there. Yeah, I don't think Baltimore changed at Oh honestly, Bob, I mean because they're similar type of players. No, Huntley is not in the same conversation as Lamar, but they're both similar with the skills that they have that are their strengths, that the talent, the ability to go create, the throwing outside the pocket, loving the tight ends, the athleticism, and also the things that you don't ask them to do. You know, again, he he is not a pick you apart type of quarterback. So I think whenever the situations arrived, you know, when a backup quarterback has to play, my mind always goes back to something. And I heard Steve Young say, I don't know how many years ago, but years ago when he said, your number one job, don't lose the football game. Do not neither reason your team loses the game. And I thought that was evident for Huntley. In for Cope McCoy, I thought Huntley did a fantastic job of never being tied to the scoreboard. You know, they were struggling offensively and they couldn't get anything going, and you're sitting there going, you know, you're so used to this offense being more explosive and and dynamic, and then you're in this game, You're going, why can't we score? Why can't we score? Why can't we score? And I thought he did a really good job with his mindset of going and I don't know if this what is his mind, but it just seemed like, I gotta get the game to the fourth quarter. Let's get the game. You can lose it in the first and second quarter, trying to be lamar And I thought he did a really good job of that. Get the game to the fourth quarter. I got a really good coaching staff, John Harball. What he has done is out of this world. A defense that played well, they're struggling on offense subsequently for the Chicago Bears, and then when the game like he needed to go make some plays. I thought it was really smart that they just stayed attacking to the right side of the field. You know, the Chicago Bears defense, the secondary vill door, their rookie corners, you know, struggling, and I just thought it was really good to say, Okay, we're just gonna can continue to attack the right side of the field for this game winning drive. And what you saw was throw to the right, throw to the right, throw to the right run, throw to the right run, throw to the right, game over. And I just thought that was impressive by Huntley, mindset wise. And then once the moment came attack, Yeah, you know, Dan you brought up early, Um, the whole idea or the concept about Tyler Huntley being some or to Lamar, I mean, I totally get I agree with you on that. And the thing is one of the conversations that goes on behind closed doors in the off season of every offseason is Okay, here's likely who our starter is, who's the backup? And is the backup going to be similar or different than what we have as a starter. How much do we want to change what we have to do? How much of a stress are we going to put on the rest of our football team as to who our backup quarterback is? And you're right when you say they are completely different level players but have similar strengths, have similar limitations. What they want them to do, what they want both quarterbacks to do is is very similar. You know. Um. By the way, a little random note here that I found out after the game was it, did you guys know that Tyler Huntley beat Lamar Jackson in a high school football game they played against one another? That Huntley eat Lamar chat I heard someone talking about and of course I had to google it and look at But um, it's one of those things when you're doing your team building, what are we gonna do with our backup quarterback? I remember these conversations we had every year, you know, in New England specifically, but I remember being a part of them. In the first time. I was a big part of those conversations. It was back in at the New York Jets when we're talking about, Okay, we've got Vinny Testaverdie, who's going to you know, be the backup. We've got Ray Lucas, who's this one guy. We've got Rick Meyer, who's this other guy? You know, completely different guys, completely different skill sets, knowing that you'd have to have specific packages if the backup has to come in, but what happens if the backup has to come in long term? And then every year up in New England, you know, one year we had Doug Flutie, one year it was he Ward, it was you know, we have any Testa Verdie. We had all these different backups, and then it was Matt Castle, and then we drafted Cliff Kingsbury, trying to find someone that was going to be similar to Brady in terms of style. And I think what Baltimore did in terms of their roster building was really really smart because what they did was they helped the rest of the football team by having a player that has, you know, a similar playing style or strength of playing style in the same way as their starter in Lamar Jackson. And how about the Cardinals I mean, maybe they're looking at Kyler right now and saying, look, we like we've got a little bit of a cushion here, like we we can potentially lose a battle to win the war. And yet it doesn't matter. They bring Colt McCoy and he finds a way to win anyway. That's the benefit of having a guy that's been there and done that. You know, with Colt has been a starter, he's been a backup, he's been cast off. You know, he's he's mentally resilient. That that helps. I was kind of a little bit in that role myself. And when you go to a football team, I think what happens with the Cardinals and Colte McCoy is coat has had such a tremendous impact on Kyler and the development of him, that you kind of become better as a player yourself by the way you are helping that younger quarterback that and your men during and teaching him that allows you to become better as well. Two things in this game, you know specifically to this game and kind of the situation. First of all, I thought this past weekend was more about the Seahawks and the Cardinals, and the Seahawks are not playing well right now. It helps as a quarterback like Cote McCoy when your defense is playing the way that they are playing. Just mindset wise, Bob and Scott like you as a quarterback. No, I don't have to go score thirty. That allows you to play a certain way. You don't have to be careless with the football. You don't have to be be overly aggressive with the football. It doesn't often have to get put in harm's way because you're you know your defense is gonna play well. It was early on in the game that you could tell the Cardinals pass rush was gonna win. And what you saw from Cote was very similar to what Steve Young that that quote I said, you know, don't be the reason your team lose the game. Coupe wasn't the reason they won the game. Completion completion, completion, You're gonna He just kept taking short completions and said, I know if I don't turn the ball over. If I don't give the ball away, you Seattle cannot beat us. And I think that's that is that experience that pays off of them. This team is gonna go as far as Kyler is going to take them when they play good football teams. I'm adamant about that. I think their defense losing JJ you can run it on them and they're not gonna be explosive enough to beat other teams without Kyler's dynamic playmaking. It does speak to the coaching and the roster that they're able to survive this, but it really is because Colt was just very good going. I'm just gonna make you beat us rather than beating myself, and that is the key. Then it's don't go out and lose the game, don't screw it up. I know there's a lot of coaches out there who say something much more explicit, but don't screw it up, and that's what they asked the backup to do. But you know, another important point you brought up was the the history and experience of Colt and being around ound and helping with the development of Kyler. You know another place that I'm watching it happen very specifically, right now. Is Brian Hoyer up at the New England Patriots. The importance of him to Mac Jones, if you watch the sidelines of the New England Patriots, and you know, I got a chance to see them during training camp and was up there watching Mac Jones. Yes he's listening to Bill, Yes he's listening to Josh, but he cannot get enough of Hoyer and Hoyer's value. He's one of those again, one of these players. He's been around a long time, been a bunch of places, mostly been a backup, but everywhere that he's a backup. And and Dan, I'm not saying this to pump your tires, but I know players that have played with you, they talk about your intelligence and your value and the importance and how you see the game. Having a backup quarterback that is smart and selfless is invaluable in your team building. It's Jason Garrett when he played at as a backup at the Cowboys. It was Frank Reich when he was a backup the backup quarterback position. When you have someone who is smart and and and selfless and wants to be a champion, that you cannot put of value on the importance of that role. Yeah, it's a big deal. I appreciate that there is a guy that wants to rewrite his legacy as a quarterback in the NFC North. And that's something that we are going to talk about when we come back on Tapeds. Welcome back to Tapeds, Bobo Shues and Dan Orlovsky, Scott p Oli. Alright, guys. It is a traditional rivalry game between the Vikings and Packers, and it's a game that way too often Viking fans know they come out on the short end. And when you give the kind of money that they gave to Kirk Cousins to come there and be the quarterback, what you're kind of announcing to the world is we feel like we're a quarterback away, right, Like we have a team that could go to the Super Bowl. We had a really good defense, we got skill guys on offense, just a Jefferson's a hell of a player. We have done everything we need to do. We just need that quarterback to go toe to toe with Aaron Rodgers. And it seemed like he went out air and did that this path and it seems probably to give Kirk Cousins is due what he has done this season. His numbers are absolutely spectacular and if you look at what they've got on the horizon. We've been talking about the Eagles and how they've got maybe some soft landing spots coming up on their schedule. There's certainly seems to be a tilt in the favor of the Vikings schedule wise coming up down the stretch of this season. So give me Scott. I mean, I know you've been someone that's kind of been, you know, waiving the flag that people should notice what Kirk Cousins is doing for the Vikings. Why has he been so good? And do we believe that what we're seeing out of the Vikings right now is real? Well, I think what Kirk Cousins did this past weekend um that he needs to do. Because again I am not an over the top Kirk Cousins guy, because I see his limitations and I believe he has limitations. I don't think he's a very good or great NFL quarterback. I don't think to me he is. What Kirk Cousins did and the final drive with two minutes left that the Vikings had to me showed what kirk Cousins needs to do in order for them to be a good football team. And if you remember, you go into first play, they've got first, you know, first down from their own thirty and he throws a pass and it's intercepted. Thankfully, the play was reversed and they get another shot. So I am a firm believer in the old football adage in critical situations, think of players, not plays. And I'm thinking someone probably said to Kirk Cousins, hey, listen, we're gonna do something here. Knock it off. Get the ball in the hands of your best players. So the very next play, what they do is they get it to Jefferson for six yards. Right next play, Dalvin Cook for nineteen yards. One of your best players, Adam theland. Next play for twenty six yards, Dalvin Cook. The next play for twelve yards. They kneel, they kneel, they get out of there. So to what Kirk Cousins did, either he did it on his own or the coaching staff made a decision. The best thing that he needed to do was to humble himself and let the best players take over. And the best players on that football team on offense, in my opinion, are Jefferson, Cook, and Field, not necessarily any order, but Dalvin Cook is their best and most dynamic and most important player in their offense. In my opinion, Yeah, I think that the Vikings have the best wide receiver duo in football at Sadam and Thinland and Justin Jefferson. I think that the Vikings are a quietly very dangerous football team. They've got five losses by nineteen points. And I know there is the world of hey, you are what your record says you are. I don't subscribe to that because I think that the Vikings are six and five and they're four plays away from being seven and four. They're they're six plays away from being eight and three. So I think they're a really good football team. I think that because the Vikings, like when you have two wide receivers that are both physically talented but then also can win. And when I say that, I mean you can give them routes and they get open, you know, like I can take a piece of paper and draw up, Hey, we're gonna run this pylon route justin or run this pylon route forever. And I've seen a lot of cats be able to run that route and not get open. You know, they run it too straight. Their tempo is not right they stay too far outside, they don't seem inside enough, they don't get to the proper depth, they don't take a high enough angle. Both those guys are great route runners. You saw the vikings on both third and goal situations. Take Feeling once and Jefferson once once. They motioned Feeling over and they just give him a choice route. It is literally, guys, get open, dude, you know it is. I'm gonna give you a three way go here, and I trust that you can go get yourself open depending on the leverage of the defense. And this is this isn't an absolute and you never say never. You can't be right on defense when the when the guy is talented and then smart and nose route running, you can't be right. And Feeling motions over. He gets Kevin King, He sets him inside because the outside releases Justin. Jefferson pushes vertical who's in front of him, and he uses Jefferson as a little bit of a you know, kind of a shield the guys inside. He breaks away touchdown. The next drive, it's third and goal again. They take Dalvin Cook, put him in the slot as a wide receiver. They take Justin Jefferson, put him in the backfield as a running back and they run the same exact play. It's just Jefferson out of the backfield as a tailback. It's almost Cooper Cup, you know, early on in the season for the Rams, and he runs the choice right on the secondary. You can't be right. And I think that's the thing about Minnesota that does make them a little different than a lot of other teams is they've got those two guys that wide receiver that are very talented, They're very smart, and they know how to win on routes versus leverage. When you've got two guys like that, that makes you really difficult to defend. Scott, You're right, Dalvin is such a big piece. But I truly believe and I don't want to minimize Kirk's performance. I think Kirk's a good player playing quarterback. Is I don't want to say it's easy, but it's easy, you know in Minnesota. It's it's it's it's comforting, that's the phrase I'll use. It's comforting knowing how good those two guys on the perimeter are. Is this a team in Green Bay though, that we should be looking at any differently, right? I mean, obviously they had when Aaron came back after the layoff. You know, they had a rough performance. Now they lose this past week. Um, you know, again, the evolution of the season. We talked about that a lot on Tuesday, How teams change as we go. Is there any kind of evolutionary process going along right now with the Packers? We certainly they got time to become the Packers again before the end of the season. Bobby. You know, it's the most concerning thing about the Packers for me coming out of that game, the Elkton Jenkins a c L injury. Absolutely, that's the most consptly because at some point injuries matter. Jenkins has been their best offensive lineman by far this season. David Batari, they're all pro. Left tackle is coming back, we don't know, So then how is he going to look coming off of a CLS And now you've lost another key piece of your offensive line, and he's a big piece. So I'm not concerned about you know, the Packers defense. You're not gonna see a wide receiver duo like that much in the NFL. Those guys are really, really, really good. I think they're the best. So I'm not overly concerned about the defensive performance because you're just not gonna see those Cats. But the Elkton Jenkins injury matters such a big deal because of how good he is and how versatile he is. Yeah, I Dan, I couldn't agree more. And I hope I as I was hearing you unfold that answer, I was hoping you were to say Jenkins because that is a big problem. And Bob, we talk about the identity of teams, and the identity of team is about what they become and what are they right, we don't know what the identity of a team is until the season's over. And what matters when the season is over or as its ending, is where they're at near that time of the season, and injuries become a part of it. The healthy teams evolve in a positive way. The unhealthy teams digress, and this Jenkins injury is going to be a real thing for them offensively. I mean, they're banged up at the running back, they're banged up on the offensive line. They've got some issues. They've got a little bit. I still also get the sense with all of the Aaron Rodgers drama that's been going on through the entire offseason training camp, then things quieted down, they started winning some games, and then the hold vax or non vax thing comes up and that chaos that locker room. It can't I can't believe. And I'm an outsider, so I may be talking out of my ear here, but it I can't believe it. That's not affecting or impacting the culture in and around this football team somehow with all of the trauma that is real and or not real. Interesting, Yeah, and it's funny. The team I want to talk about next after we take a quick time out. Um, it almost sounded like you were in a way describing the Titans, right. I mean, obviously not with the Aaron Rodgers vax thing, but as a season evolves based on health, if you have a big running back injury, you know how all of that impacts a team. It sounded like if someone just came in and picked up what you were saying just now, Scott, you might have been talking about Tennessee because they are as jekyal and hide as a team could be. For eight and three, We're gonna talk about what happened with the Titans as they lose to the Houston Texans when we come back on Tapeds. We are back on this Thanksgiving weak condition of tapeds, Bobo shoes on Dani Orlovsky and Scott Pioli. There was not a more eye opening, stunning result this past Sunday and all of the NFL. Then the Titans losing to the Texans. Ryan Tannehill throws four interceptions. Here's Mike Vrabel after the game on his quarterback. We've seen Ryan um perform at a high level, and uh, offensive football at any level is takes eleven guys, you know, and so there was a lot of good football out there. Unfortunately, we we turned the football over Um too many times, way too many times. I felt like our defense battled and our offense certainly was, you know, its own worst enemy. Al Right, guys, I don't even know what to make of this performance, right, I mean, obviously, it's the NFL to seventeen game season. There's a reason these knockout pools are all done by the time we get to the midway point, because we don't see these kinds of results coming. It is that kind of a league, and I get that. But having said that's got just in the last segment we talked about the Green Bay Packers having some key injuries, you know, having you know, as the evolutionary process of season goes on, learning about themselves. Well, what have we learned about Tennessee is a team that's got eight wins and three losses. Two of their three losses are to the Jets and Texans. So so what do I make of this team now that we know that they're not going to have still for the bulk of the season, Derrick Henry, you know, are are they a team that's gonna have to find themselves down to stretch? Clearly, they have to find themselves because this is this is not what I would expect in any way from a Mike Rabel coached football team, because Mike is consistent, he's steady, he's smart, he's thoughtful, he's disciplined. And his football team did not play that way this past weekend because also in addition to the four interceptions thrown by Ryan Tannehill, and we could make you know, whatever those reasons are, they put the ball on the ground four additional times. In terms of fumbles, they only lost one, but they put the ball on the ground four times. And that is not Tennessee Titan football. That's not Mike raable football. They go again. You know, you're looking at this team that plays so well against good teams, but then they lose to the Jets and the Texans, and and just being realist, I'm not trying to be a wise guy and beat up on the Jets or Texans, but those two teams are not good NFL football teams this season. And for them to lose to those two football teams tell you you that something is off. And they've had some injuries at the beginning of the year and they got back, but losing Derrick Henry is a real thing. And I think once Henry was injured, we're all sitting back. Okay, I mean we we We did this in one of our podcasts and and Dan brought up the point. Listen, they don't need to change because their past first offense and Ryan Tannehill just has to play good, clean football and do a good job. And that's what they did when they won. Now this week, they didn't play good, clean football and they took it on the chin. They need to do everything right. When you lose one of your best players or your best player, what you have to do is play additionally clean football. You know, we talk about the teams that are sending right now, the teams that are doing things well. You know, we talked about the Colts on Tuesday. Those teams are doing things right. You can't be penalized, you can't turn the ball over, you cannot do you can't play dumb football. I mean it's that simple. I don't like saying that word, but you can't play dumb football. And it's um when you put the you know, put the ball in peril eight times in one football game, you don't deserve to. The Tennessee game was fascinating to me, so I think, first of all, Tennessee was one the only team in the NFL that was built around They're back in those two receivers. Okay, they were built around that. And they were the only team and I talked about this six seven weeks ago that had that type of physicality at those positions. The average size of Derrick, Henry A. J. Brown and Julio Jones is six three pounds at skill position. So their offense, identity wise, success wise, everything was built around those three guys. Not only have they lost Derrick Henry, Julio Jones has been on I R as well, so we're talking about sixty six percent of who they are and who their organizationally like, offensive wise, they're built around, is not playing. And I think the thing that became most evident in this football game is how much they are forced feeding the ball to a J. Brown And listen, at times that's gonna work, and at times that's smart. He's your best player by far on offense right now. But then there's moments you where you see Tannehill is just locked on him it equals two interceptions, or you see Tannehill just completely committed to I'm throwing this football to a J. Brown. He misses two throws that are open, and other progressions to the sideline you can see as an offensive play caller and Todd down and going or where I who I gotta get the ball to a J. I gotta get the ball to a J and it and when that happens. And it's a fine line I don't want to make, make no mistake about it, Like this is a very difficult kind of road to travel, and it's a fine line between hanging on the we gotta get our best player of the ball and players over plays and we can't become so dependent and locked in that it has a negative impact on our offense. So that stood out to me. What also stood out to me was I think that that they played better than what the score versus the Houston Texans showed. The turnovers are something that I just don't think that's who this football team is going to be. They also were oh for three on third and one or fourth and one and less. You make those which that oftense should more often than not, You're getting more plays and you have more chances to put points on the board. So it was such a weird game for me because I'm sitting there. They played a little bit better tape wise, and I thought the score in losing to the Texans was going to show um, but they're in a bad spot because there they were solely dependent on the health of a j who Elio and and Derek. And if Julio and Derek aren't gonna Derek's not there, if Julio is not going to be there, I just don't see how this team is going how I can't feel confident that this team is gonna beat good football teams. And when we were talking about the Titans early on, and you know, Dan, your point about counting on Julio being healthy. I I was with Julio, and I watched Julio the last couple of years when I wasn't there, and he hasn't been healthy in years. And you know, there's another old adage in football, and you know, older injured players are going to stay older and injured. And Julio is an incredible talent when he's out on the field. He's just had so many things over the past several years that have slowed him down and kept him out of games. And he's never had a real transition because he couldn't even practice, you know, enough during training camp and in the early part of the season, they were never able to get on track. So if they were counting on Julio to be that much of an important component this year, you know, I think the recent history should have told them that we can't count on Julio. And not not that he's he's not an undependable person, but his body has made him undependable the last several years and we're seeing it again this year. And guys, we talked about Kirk Cousins. I kind of put Ryan Tannehill in that same category. You know, from last segment to this segment. Two quarterbacks that I think have their limitations. Two quarterbacks that I mean Ryan Tannehill over the last couple of years has been talked about as if he's like a top five, top ten quarterback in the NFL when he's been able to hand it to Derrick Henry, you know at three out of every four plays. Um, is there a chance that and maybe we're blowing one game out of proportion with the four picks without Derrick Henry? Is there a chance that Tennessee is going to ask too much of Ryan Tannehill or need him to perform at a different level than he's capable long term here to make up for the fact that they don't have Derrick Henry. Yeah, of course, Well he even expose because of that, I guess the question, Well, yeah, any quarterback is going to be less because they're starting tailback and starting wide receiver. Go away maybe outside of Lamar you know, I I just if I took away you know, Zeki Elliott and Amari Cooper from Dak Prescott, He's gonna play less, you know, if I took away, Um, you know, Aaron Jones and Davante Adams, Aaron Rodgers is gonna be there, So yes, there is going to be Ryan Tannehill is going to be asked to do more. I think he can in spots, I don't think he can for an extended period of time. UM, quarterback is the number one dependent position in all of sports. And that's why I'm so hesitant to really continue to love Tennessee because Tannehill, I think he's a good player, to ask him to be the reason you win beat games because of I'm not there with Ryan Tannehill. Yeah, I UM just real quick again, because my background is scouting. UM, I was never allowed to live in a world of superlative terms, which is I think you know a limitation for me now that I'm in the media. And we would always talk about players, no, because we always had to keep it real, because we were making decisions, and we were told and taught and therefore taught those around us that there is a scale of what you call a player. There's you know, part of that scale is a below average, average, above average, good, very good, great, and then those words great, rare, elite. I hear the words great or very good and good thrown around far too easily. And here's what I understand anyone who's starting in the NFL. I understand that they're probably one of the thirty two best in the world. Right they are world class athletes and players. But then when you get into that class of what the standard is, you have to start breaking things down. And Ryan Tannehill and Kirk Cousins who you mentioned, Bob also to me, when it comes to the standard of an NFL starting quarterback and you want to start using that scale, and you need to use that scale. I've never felt because a player has a very good game doesn't make them a very good player. You need to string things together and be consistent, and I have always felt that Ryan Tannehill has been in that area of good or maybe a step below above average or maybe a step higher very good games. Right. It's just like when we talk about teams, just because you have a bad game, you're not a bad team. So again, I just haven't felt um that Ryan Tannehill is not going to carry a team. And that's not a knock on him at all. And people think when you say something like that that you're ripping a guy. I'm not ripping a guy. I think that he needs some other things around him in order to be a good player and to have a good or very good performance, and they need to do it consistently well. One of the games we're gonna be talking about next week on te Peds is another one of those litmuth tess games for two teams, because the Tennessee Titans play the New England Patriots this week, so that is gonna be one we'll have our eyes on. Please enjoy the Thanksgiving Day games. We've got Charges, Broncos, Rams, Packers, Brown's Ravens to talk about as well. Next week, the Eagles pushed for the playoff continues. We have a ton as we come down the stretch heading towards the playoffs in this NFL season, So thank you for listening, Rate and subscribe and join us next week on te Pits

Happy Thanksgiving for the guys. Here a tape its Bobo Shows and Dan Orlovsky Scott p Oli. It is obviously a traditional football day on Thanksgiving Day, and we talked a lot about the three Thanksgiving games in our previous episode. So if you missed that, please feel free to rewind, go back to the one that dropped on Tuesday and listen to what we had to say about the Thanksgiving games. But today we're gonna be looking ahead to this weekend and in a way, looking back at some teams that found a way to solve problems, because there's no bigger problem in the NFL than when your quarterback is hurt, especially if your quarterback's name is Lamar Jackson. But the Ravens found a way to win with Tyler Huntley at quarterback. How did he find out that he was starting last week? Here's the story. He's crazy. I was walking towards the bus and Lamar test He said, I'm gonna do your thing today. I'm gonna be watching, and I was like, all right, let's go. We're the bus was on the bus ride here to the stadium while I was walking to the bus, and that's how it came about did you did you think that you probably were gonna start? You were like, na, Lamar was definitely gonna play, Like, what were you thinking before? Just every week, I feel like, uh, you know, you gotta be one play away with Lamar. He tuts, so, just so you know what you gotta saying. I'm thinking he's gonna play the regardless. Uh he could, he could be breaking out in sweat. I feel like he's gonna play. But today it's just a different circumstances that I happen to play. So Tyler Huntley finds out very much on short notice that he is the quarterback for the Baltimore Ravens. Cult McCoy though he found out he was playing this past week for the Cardinals as well. But that's not the kind of news that's gonna shake him. I've played long enough in this league to understand that those kind of games happened. Um, they're absolutely not fun, and the good teams are able to bounce back from that. And I didn't know if I was going to be a part of that or not. This week with Kyler, you know, kind of just he was really close. I just prepared the same way and had the opportunity to come out here and play, and you know, again, good teams respond to week to week and and we were able to to play really good, complimentary football. All right, So, Dan Orlovski, Scott Poli, it's life in the NFL, right, I mean, how often does your quarterback make it all the way through now seventeen games unscathed. Most teams in the NFL at some point are probably going to have to lean on their backup. And the Ravens did it, and the Cardinals did it and they both got wins. Dan, let's start with the Ravens, and obviously they have to change. Nobody can do with Lamar Jackson does when he's not in there, Like you're back. There's no backup quarterback in the NFL. But no matter who you have, that's gonna come in and do what Lamar Jackson can do. So how does it change just schematically from a play calling standpoint, and how you put the game together when you know he's not there. Yeah, I don't think Baltimore changed at Oh honestly, Bob, I mean because they're similar type of players. No, Huntley is not in the same conversation as Lamar, but they're both similar with the skills that they have that are their strengths, that the talent, the ability to go create, the throwing outside the pocket, loving the tight ends, the athleticism, and also the things that you don't ask them to do. You know, again, he he is not a pick you apart type of quarterback. So I think whenever the situations arrived, you know, when a backup quarterback has to play, my mind always goes back to something. And I heard Steve Young say, I don't know how many years ago, but years ago when he said, your number one job, don't lose the football game. Do not neither reason your team loses the game. And I thought that was evident for Huntley. In for Cope McCoy, I thought Huntley did a fantastic job of never being tied to the scoreboard. You know, they were struggling offensively and they couldn't get anything going, and you're sitting there going, you know, you're so used to this offense being more explosive and and dynamic, and then you're in this game, You're going, why can't we score? Why can't we score? Why can't we score? And I thought he did a really good job with his mindset of going and I don't know if this what is his mind, but it just seemed like, I gotta get the game to the fourth quarter. Let's get the game. You can lose it in the first and second quarter, trying to be lamar And I thought he did a really good job of that. Get the game to the fourth quarter. I got a really good coaching staff, John Harball. What he has done is out of this world. A defense that played well, they're struggling on offense subsequently for the Chicago Bears, and then when the game like he needed to go make some plays. I thought it was really smart that they just stayed attacking to the right side of the field. You know, the Chicago Bears defense, the secondary vill door, their rookie corners, you know, struggling, and I just thought it was really good to say, Okay, we're just gonna can continue to attack the right side of the field for this game winning drive. And what you saw was throw to the right, throw to the right, throw to the right run, throw to the right run, throw to the right, game over. And I just thought that was impressive by Huntley, mindset wise. And then once the moment came attack, Yeah, you know, Dan you brought up early, Um, the whole idea or the concept about Tyler Huntley being some or to Lamar, I mean, I totally get I agree with you on that. And the thing is one of the conversations that goes on behind closed doors in the off season of every offseason is Okay, here's likely who our starter is, who's the backup? And is the backup going to be similar or different than what we have as a starter. How much do we want to change what we have to do? How much of a stress are we going to put on the rest of our football team as to who our backup quarterback is? And you're right when you say they are completely different level players but have similar strengths, have similar limitations. What they want them to do, what they want both quarterbacks to do is is very similar. You know. Um. By the way, a little random note here that I found out after the game was it, did you guys know that Tyler Huntley beat Lamar Jackson in a high school football game they played against one another? That Huntley eat Lamar chat I heard someone talking about and of course I had to google it and look at But um, it's one of those things when you're doing your team building, what are we gonna do with our backup quarterback? I remember these conversations we had every year, you know, in New England specifically, but I remember being a part of them. In the first time. I was a big part of those conversations. It was back in at the New York Jets when we're talking about, Okay, we've got Vinny Testaverdie, who's going to you know, be the backup. We've got Ray Lucas, who's this one guy. We've got Rick Meyer, who's this other guy? You know, completely different guys, completely different skill sets, knowing that you'd have to have specific packages if the backup has to come in, but what happens if the backup has to come in long term? And then every year up in New England, you know, one year we had Doug Flutie, one year it was he Ward, it was you know, we have any Testa Verdie. We had all these different backups, and then it was Matt Castle, and then we drafted Cliff Kingsbury, trying to find someone that was going to be similar to Brady in terms of style. And I think what Baltimore did in terms of their roster building was really really smart because what they did was they helped the rest of the football team by having a player that has, you know, a similar playing style or strength of playing style in the same way as their starter in Lamar Jackson. And how about the Cardinals I mean, maybe they're looking at Kyler right now and saying, look, we like we've got a little bit of a cushion here, like we we can potentially lose a battle to win the war. And yet it doesn't matter. They bring Colt McCoy and he finds a way to win anyway. That's the benefit of having a guy that's been there and done that. You know, with Colt has been a starter, he's been a backup, he's been cast off. You know, he's he's mentally resilient. That that helps. I was kind of a little bit in that role myself. And when you go to a football team, I think what happens with the Cardinals and Colte McCoy is coat has had such a tremendous impact on Kyler and the development of him, that you kind of become better as a player yourself by the way you are helping that younger quarterback that and your men during and teaching him that allows you to become better as well. Two things in this game, you know specifically to this game and kind of the situation. First of all, I thought this past weekend was more about the Seahawks and the Cardinals, and the Seahawks are not playing well right now. It helps as a quarterback like Cote McCoy when your defense is playing the way that they are playing. Just mindset wise, Bob and Scott like you as a quarterback. No, I don't have to go score thirty. That allows you to play a certain way. You don't have to be careless with the football. You don't have to be be overly aggressive with the football. It doesn't often have to get put in harm's way because you're you know your defense is gonna play well. It was early on in the game that you could tell the Cardinals pass rush was gonna win. And what you saw from Cote was very similar to what Steve Young that that quote I said, you know, don't be the reason your team lose the game. Coupe wasn't the reason they won the game. Completion completion, completion, You're gonna He just kept taking short completions and said, I know if I don't turn the ball over. If I don't give the ball away, you Seattle cannot beat us. And I think that's that is that experience that pays off of them. This team is gonna go as far as Kyler is going to take them when they play good football teams. I'm adamant about that. I think their defense losing JJ you can run it on them and they're not gonna be explosive enough to beat other teams without Kyler's dynamic playmaking. It does speak to the coaching and the roster that they're able to survive this, but it really is because Colt was just very good going. I'm just gonna make you beat us rather than beating myself, and that is the key. Then it's don't go out and lose the game, don't screw it up. I know there's a lot of coaches out there who say something much more explicit, but don't screw it up, and that's what they asked the backup to do. But you know, another important point you brought up was the the history and experience of Colt and being around ound and helping with the development of Kyler. You know another place that I'm watching it happen very specifically, right now. Is Brian Hoyer up at the New England Patriots. The importance of him to Mac Jones, if you watch the sidelines of the New England Patriots, and you know, I got a chance to see them during training camp and was up there watching Mac Jones. Yes he's listening to Bill, Yes he's listening to Josh, but he cannot get enough of Hoyer and Hoyer's value. He's one of those again, one of these players. He's been around a long time, been a bunch of places, mostly been a backup, but everywhere that he's a backup. And and Dan, I'm not saying this to pump your tires, but I know players that have played with you, they talk about your intelligence and your value and the importance and how you see the game. Having a backup quarterback that is smart and selfless is invaluable in your team building. It's Jason Garrett when he played at as a backup at the Cowboys. It was Frank Reich when he was a backup the backup quarterback position. When you have someone who is smart and and and selfless and wants to be a champion, that you cannot put of value on the importance of that role. Yeah, it's a big deal. I appreciate that there is a guy that wants to rewrite his legacy as a quarterback in the NFC North. And that's something that we are going to talk about when we come back on Tapeds. Welcome back to Tapeds, Bobo Shues and Dan Orlovsky, Scott p Oli. Alright, guys. It is a traditional rivalry game between the Vikings and Packers, and it's a game that way too often Viking fans know they come out on the short end. And when you give the kind of money that they gave to Kirk Cousins to come there and be the quarterback, what you're kind of announcing to the world is we feel like we're a quarterback away, right, Like we have a team that could go to the Super Bowl. We had a really good defense, we got skill guys on offense, just a Jefferson's a hell of a player. We have done everything we need to do. We just need that quarterback to go toe to toe with Aaron Rodgers. And it seemed like he went out air and did that this path and it seems probably to give Kirk Cousins is due what he has done this season. His numbers are absolutely spectacular and if you look at what they've got on the horizon. We've been talking about the Eagles and how they've got maybe some soft landing spots coming up on their schedule. There's certainly seems to be a tilt in the favor of the Vikings schedule wise coming up down the stretch of this season. So give me Scott. I mean, I know you've been someone that's kind of been, you know, waiving the flag that people should notice what Kirk Cousins is doing for the Vikings. Why has he been so good? And do we believe that what we're seeing out of the Vikings right now is real? Well, I think what Kirk Cousins did this past weekend um that he needs to do. Because again I am not an over the top Kirk Cousins guy, because I see his limitations and I believe he has limitations. I don't think he's a very good or great NFL quarterback. I don't think to me he is. What Kirk Cousins did and the final drive with two minutes left that the Vikings had to me showed what kirk Cousins needs to do in order for them to be a good football team. And if you remember, you go into first play, they've got first, you know, first down from their own thirty and he throws a pass and it's intercepted. Thankfully, the play was reversed and they get another shot. So I am a firm believer in the old football adage in critical situations, think of players, not plays. And I'm thinking someone probably said to Kirk Cousins, hey, listen, we're gonna do something here. Knock it off. Get the ball in the hands of your best players. So the very next play, what they do is they get it to Jefferson for six yards. Right next play, Dalvin Cook for nineteen yards. One of your best players, Adam theland. Next play for twenty six yards, Dalvin Cook. The next play for twelve yards. They kneel, they kneel, they get out of there. So to what Kirk Cousins did, either he did it on his own or the coaching staff made a decision. The best thing that he needed to do was to humble himself and let the best players take over. And the best players on that football team on offense, in my opinion, are Jefferson, Cook, and Field, not necessarily any order, but Dalvin Cook is their best and most dynamic and most important player in their offense. In my opinion, Yeah, I think that the Vikings have the best wide receiver duo in football at Sadam and Thinland and Justin Jefferson. I think that the Vikings are a quietly very dangerous football team. They've got five losses by nineteen points. And I know there is the world of hey, you are what your record says you are. I don't subscribe to that because I think that the Vikings are six and five and they're four plays away from being seven and four. They're they're six plays away from being eight and three. So I think they're a really good football team. I think that because the Vikings, like when you have two wide receivers that are both physically talented but then also can win. And when I say that, I mean you can give them routes and they get open, you know, like I can take a piece of paper and draw up, Hey, we're gonna run this pylon route justin or run this pylon route forever. And I've seen a lot of cats be able to run that route and not get open. You know, they run it too straight. Their tempo is not right they stay too far outside, they don't seem inside enough, they don't get to the proper depth, they don't take a high enough angle. Both those guys are great route runners. You saw the vikings on both third and goal situations. Take Feeling once and Jefferson once once. They motioned Feeling over and they just give him a choice route. It is literally, guys, get open, dude, you know it is. I'm gonna give you a three way go here, and I trust that you can go get yourself open depending on the leverage of the defense. And this is this isn't an absolute and you never say never. You can't be right on defense when the when the guy is talented and then smart and nose route running, you can't be right. And Feeling motions over. He gets Kevin King, He sets him inside because the outside releases Justin. Jefferson pushes vertical who's in front of him, and he uses Jefferson as a little bit of a you know, kind of a shield the guys inside. He breaks away touchdown. The next drive, it's third and goal again. They take Dalvin Cook, put him in the slot as a wide receiver. They take Justin Jefferson, put him in the backfield as a running back and they run the same exact play. It's just Jefferson out of the backfield as a tailback. It's almost Cooper Cup, you know, early on in the season for the Rams, and he runs the choice right on the secondary. You can't be right. And I think that's the thing about Minnesota that does make them a little different than a lot of other teams is they've got those two guys that wide receiver that are very talented, They're very smart, and they know how to win on routes versus leverage. When you've got two guys like that, that makes you really difficult to defend. Scott, You're right, Dalvin is such a big piece. But I truly believe and I don't want to minimize Kirk's performance. I think Kirk's a good player playing quarterback. Is I don't want to say it's easy, but it's easy, you know in Minnesota. It's it's it's it's comforting, that's the phrase I'll use. It's comforting knowing how good those two guys on the perimeter are. Is this a team in Green Bay though, that we should be looking at any differently, right? I mean, obviously they had when Aaron came back after the layoff. You know, they had a rough performance. Now they lose this past week. Um, you know, again, the evolution of the season. We talked about that a lot on Tuesday, How teams change as we go. Is there any kind of evolutionary process going along right now with the Packers? We certainly they got time to become the Packers again before the end of the season. Bobby. You know, it's the most concerning thing about the Packers for me coming out of that game, the Elkton Jenkins a c L injury. Absolutely, that's the most consptly because at some point injuries matter. Jenkins has been their best offensive lineman by far this season. David Batari, they're all pro. Left tackle is coming back, we don't know, So then how is he going to look coming off of a CLS And now you've lost another key piece of your offensive line, and he's a big piece. So I'm not concerned about you know, the Packers defense. You're not gonna see a wide receiver duo like that much in the NFL. Those guys are really, really, really good. I think they're the best. So I'm not overly concerned about the defensive performance because you're just not gonna see those Cats. But the Elkton Jenkins injury matters such a big deal because of how good he is and how versatile he is. Yeah, I Dan, I couldn't agree more. And I hope I as I was hearing you unfold that answer, I was hoping you were to say Jenkins because that is a big problem. And Bob, we talk about the identity of teams, and the identity of team is about what they become and what are they right, we don't know what the identity of a team is until the season's over. And what matters when the season is over or as its ending, is where they're at near that time of the season, and injuries become a part of it. The healthy teams evolve in a positive way. The unhealthy teams digress, and this Jenkins injury is going to be a real thing for them offensively. I mean, they're banged up at the running back, they're banged up on the offensive line. They've got some issues. They've got a little bit. I still also get the sense with all of the Aaron Rodgers drama that's been going on through the entire offseason training camp, then things quieted down, they started winning some games, and then the hold vax or non vax thing comes up and that chaos that locker room. It can't I can't believe. And I'm an outsider, so I may be talking out of my ear here, but it I can't believe it. That's not affecting or impacting the culture in and around this football team somehow with all of the trauma that is real and or not real. Interesting, Yeah, and it's funny. The team I want to talk about next after we take a quick time out. Um, it almost sounded like you were in a way describing the Titans, right. I mean, obviously not with the Aaron Rodgers vax thing, but as a season evolves based on health, if you have a big running back injury, you know how all of that impacts a team. It sounded like if someone just came in and picked up what you were saying just now, Scott, you might have been talking about Tennessee because they are as jekyal and hide as a team could be. For eight and three, We're gonna talk about what happened with the Titans as they lose to the Houston Texans when we come back on Tapeds. We are back on this Thanksgiving weak condition of tapeds, Bobo shoes on Dani Orlovsky and Scott Pioli. There was not a more eye opening, stunning result this past Sunday and all of the NFL. Then the Titans losing to the Texans. Ryan Tannehill throws four interceptions. Here's Mike Vrabel after the game on his quarterback. We've seen Ryan um perform at a high level, and uh, offensive football at any level is takes eleven guys, you know, and so there was a lot of good football out there. Unfortunately, we we turned the football over Um too many times, way too many times. I felt like our defense battled and our offense certainly was, you know, its own worst enemy. Al Right, guys, I don't even know what to make of this performance, right, I mean, obviously, it's the NFL to seventeen game season. There's a reason these knockout pools are all done by the time we get to the midway point, because we don't see these kinds of results coming. It is that kind of a league, and I get that. But having said that's got just in the last segment we talked about the Green Bay Packers having some key injuries, you know, having you know, as the evolutionary process of season goes on, learning about themselves. Well, what have we learned about Tennessee is a team that's got eight wins and three losses. Two of their three losses are to the Jets and Texans. So so what do I make of this team now that we know that they're not going to have still for the bulk of the season, Derrick Henry, you know, are are they a team that's gonna have to find themselves down to stretch? Clearly, they have to find themselves because this is this is not what I would expect in any way from a Mike Rabel coached football team, because Mike is consistent, he's steady, he's smart, he's thoughtful, he's disciplined. And his football team did not play that way this past weekend because also in addition to the four interceptions thrown by Ryan Tannehill, and we could make you know, whatever those reasons are, they put the ball on the ground four additional times. In terms of fumbles, they only lost one, but they put the ball on the ground four times. And that is not Tennessee Titan football. That's not Mike raable football. They go again. You know, you're looking at this team that plays so well against good teams, but then they lose to the Jets and the Texans, and and just being realist, I'm not trying to be a wise guy and beat up on the Jets or Texans, but those two teams are not good NFL football teams this season. And for them to lose to those two football teams tell you you that something is off. And they've had some injuries at the beginning of the year and they got back, but losing Derrick Henry is a real thing. And I think once Henry was injured, we're all sitting back. Okay, I mean we we We did this in one of our podcasts and and Dan brought up the point. Listen, they don't need to change because their past first offense and Ryan Tannehill just has to play good, clean football and do a good job. And that's what they did when they won. Now this week, they didn't play good, clean football and they took it on the chin. They need to do everything right. When you lose one of your best players or your best player, what you have to do is play additionally clean football. You know, we talk about the teams that are sending right now, the teams that are doing things well. You know, we talked about the Colts on Tuesday. Those teams are doing things right. You can't be penalized, you can't turn the ball over, you cannot do you can't play dumb football. I mean it's that simple. I don't like saying that word, but you can't play dumb football. And it's um when you put the you know, put the ball in peril eight times in one football game, you don't deserve to. The Tennessee game was fascinating to me, so I think, first of all, Tennessee was one the only team in the NFL that was built around They're back in those two receivers. Okay, they were built around that. And they were the only team and I talked about this six seven weeks ago that had that type of physicality at those positions. The average size of Derrick, Henry A. J. Brown and Julio Jones is six three pounds at skill position. So their offense, identity wise, success wise, everything was built around those three guys. Not only have they lost Derrick Henry, Julio Jones has been on I R as well, so we're talking about sixty six percent of who they are and who their organizationally like, offensive wise, they're built around, is not playing. And I think the thing that became most evident in this football game is how much they are forced feeding the ball to a J. Brown And listen, at times that's gonna work, and at times that's smart. He's your best player by far on offense right now. But then there's moments you where you see Tannehill is just locked on him it equals two interceptions, or you see Tannehill just completely committed to I'm throwing this football to a J. Brown. He misses two throws that are open, and other progressions to the sideline you can see as an offensive play caller and Todd down and going or where I who I gotta get the ball to a J. I gotta get the ball to a J and it and when that happens. And it's a fine line I don't want to make, make no mistake about it, Like this is a very difficult kind of road to travel, and it's a fine line between hanging on the we gotta get our best player of the ball and players over plays and we can't become so dependent and locked in that it has a negative impact on our offense. So that stood out to me. What also stood out to me was I think that that they played better than what the score versus the Houston Texans showed. The turnovers are something that I just don't think that's who this football team is going to be. They also were oh for three on third and one or fourth and one and less. You make those which that oftense should more often than not, You're getting more plays and you have more chances to put points on the board. So it was such a weird game for me because I'm sitting there. They played a little bit better tape wise, and I thought the score in losing to the Texans was going to show um, but they're in a bad spot because there they were solely dependent on the health of a j who Elio and and Derek. And if Julio and Derek aren't gonna Derek's not there, if Julio is not going to be there, I just don't see how this team is going how I can't feel confident that this team is gonna beat good football teams. And when we were talking about the Titans early on, and you know, Dan, your point about counting on Julio being healthy. I I was with Julio, and I watched Julio the last couple of years when I wasn't there, and he hasn't been healthy in years. And you know, there's another old adage in football, and you know, older injured players are going to stay older and injured. And Julio is an incredible talent when he's out on the field. He's just had so many things over the past several years that have slowed him down and kept him out of games. And he's never had a real transition because he couldn't even practice, you know, enough during training camp and in the early part of the season, they were never able to get on track. So if they were counting on Julio to be that much of an important component this year, you know, I think the recent history should have told them that we can't count on Julio. And not not that he's he's not an undependable person, but his body has made him undependable the last several years and we're seeing it again this year. And guys, we talked about Kirk Cousins. I kind of put Ryan Tannehill in that same category. You know, from last segment to this segment. Two quarterbacks that I think have their limitations. Two quarterbacks that I mean Ryan Tannehill over the last couple of years has been talked about as if he's like a top five, top ten quarterback in the NFL when he's been able to hand it to Derrick Henry, you know at three out of every four plays. Um, is there a chance that and maybe we're blowing one game out of proportion with the four picks without Derrick Henry? Is there a chance that Tennessee is going to ask too much of Ryan Tannehill or need him to perform at a different level than he's capable long term here to make up for the fact that they don't have Derrick Henry. Yeah, of course, Well he even expose because of that, I guess the question, Well, yeah, any quarterback is going to be less because they're starting tailback and starting wide receiver. Go away maybe outside of Lamar you know, I I just if I took away you know, Zeki Elliott and Amari Cooper from Dak Prescott, He's gonna play less, you know, if I took away, Um, you know, Aaron Jones and Davante Adams, Aaron Rodgers is gonna be there, So yes, there is going to be Ryan Tannehill is going to be asked to do more. I think he can in spots, I don't think he can for an extended period of time. UM, quarterback is the number one dependent position in all of sports. And that's why I'm so hesitant to really continue to love Tennessee because Tannehill, I think he's a good player, to ask him to be the reason you win beat games because of I'm not there with Ryan Tannehill. Yeah, I UM just real quick again, because my background is scouting. UM, I was never allowed to live in a world of superlative terms, which is I think you know a limitation for me now that I'm in the media. And we would always talk about players, no, because we always had to keep it real, because we were making decisions, and we were told and taught and therefore taught those around us that there is a scale of what you call a player. There's you know, part of that scale is a below average, average, above average, good, very good, great, and then those words great, rare, elite. I hear the words great or very good and good thrown around far too easily. And here's what I understand anyone who's starting in the NFL. I understand that they're probably one of the thirty two best in the world. Right they are world class athletes and players. But then when you get into that class of what the standard is, you have to start breaking things down. And Ryan Tannehill and Kirk Cousins who you mentioned, Bob also to me, when it comes to the standard of an NFL starting quarterback and you want to start using that scale, and you need to use that scale. I've never felt because a player has a very good game doesn't make them a very good player. You need to string things together and be consistent, and I have always felt that Ryan Tannehill has been in that area of good or maybe a step below above average or maybe a step higher very good games. Right. It's just like when we talk about teams, just because you have a bad game, you're not a bad team. So again, I just haven't felt um that Ryan Tannehill is not going to carry a team. And that's not a knock on him at all. And people think when you say something like that that you're ripping a guy. I'm not ripping a guy. I think that he needs some other things around him in order to be a good player and to have a good or very good performance, and they need to do it consistently well. One of the games we're gonna be talking about next week on te Peds is another one of those litmuth tess games for two teams, because the Tennessee Titans play the New England Patriots this week, so that is gonna be one we'll have our eyes on. Please enjoy the Thanksgiving Day games. We've got Charges, Broncos, Rams, Packers, Brown's Ravens to talk about as well. Next week, the Eagles pushed for the playoff continues. We have a ton as we come down the stretch heading towards the playoffs in this NFL season, So thank you for listening, Rate and subscribe and join us next week on te Pits