Geopolitical risks like the crisis in the Red Sea or more protectionist trade policies are increasing inefficiencies in global shipping, which will require more ships to move the same amount of freight. In this Talking Transports podcast, Jan Rindbo, CEO of D/S Norden, joins Lee Klaskow, Bloomberg Intelligence senior transportation and logistics analyst, to share insights about how its dry-bulk and product-tanker fleets are navigating the uncertainty. A more favorable order book is making the dry-bulk outlook brighter relative to the product tankers. Rindbo also talks about Norden’s focus on biofuels to reduce emissions, entrance into the break-bulk market, returning capital to shareholders and how his desire to see the world led him to a long career in shipping.