Person

Principles

Problems

Perspicacity

A lamb ad and a locked-profile troll teach Steve and David the same lesson: the pause is the whole trick, and social media is built to make you skip it.

A British comedy sketch about a dry cleaner called Touching Cloth becomes the unlikely launchpad for Mini Steve’s business-naming principles, tested live and mostly agreed with.

A client’s expired domain name turns into a lesson about renewal traps, Melbourne IT’s pricing, and the difference between penny-wise and paranoid.

An organ donor ad about the world’s biggest asshole gets the Perspicacity treatment, with a verdict on whether shock still works when the target audience has gone numb to it.

Get ready to take notes.

Talking About Marketing podcast episode notes with timecodes

02:15 Person This segment focusses on you, the person, because we believe business is personal.
The Pause That Saves You From Yourself

Steve opens with a confession disguised as a question: has David ever fired off an emotional comment online, or been on the receiving end of one? David has, and it wasn’t pleasant. Neither host thinks the commenter would have said it to their face, which is really the whole problem in one sentence.

From there, a lamb ad supplies the unlikely proof of concept. The ad restages a real comment section as a portable grandstand, strangers hurling abuse at each other over nothing, until lamb arrives and somehow calms the mob. David’s read cuts straight to the point: the redirection doesn’t need to be profound, it just needs to be better than the dumb thing people are already doing.

Steve connects it to Jill Bolte Taylor’s Whole Brain Living and the 90-second window before an emotional reaction locks in. He’d had his own test that week: a stranger with a locked profile telling him to stick to snooker, a lame pun on his name. He didn’t bite, because the algorithm wants the reaction more than it wants him to be right. Turning the other cheek, in this case, isn’t weakness. It’s refusing to feed the beast.

14:15 Principles This segment focusses principles you can apply in your business today.
Touching Cloth and the Business of Naming Yourself

A comedy sketch about three well-meaning entrepreneurs naming their dry cleaning business Touching Cloth (a name with an unfortunate second meaning involving cloth, poo, and a failure of restraint) becomes the launchpad for testing some business naming principles. David’s take on the sketch is blunt: the comedy comes from watching well-meaning people talk themselves past an obvious problem, out loud, without noticing.

Steve turns to Mini Steve, the AI model trained on his blog archive, to stress-test some naming principles, and finds himself agreeing with all of it. Say the name aloud to a stranger on a bad phone line. Check every handle and domain before falling in love with anything. Search the trademark register before you print a single business card. Avoid clever misspellings, since everyone types the correct version first and wonders why you didn’t.

The sharpest distinction is descriptive versus distinctive. Descriptive names explain what you do and help with search from day one, but they’re hard to trademark and easy to blend into the background. Distinctive names cost more to build meaning into, but once they mean something, that meaning is yours alone. Either way, the name’s job is to be memorable and spellable, not to carry the whole value proposition. That’s what the website and the tagline are for.

37:30 Problems This segment answers questions we've received from clients or listeners.
The $108 Lesson in Domain Renewal

A client let a valuable domain name lapse and asked Steve, a day after it had expired, whether she should renew it. She should, because the test is simple: how would you feel if a competitor grabbed it? Terrible, she said. Renew it.

The real sting was the price. Her domain was registered with Melbourne IT, which charged $108 for a single year of a .com.au domain, against roughly $24 to $25 elsewhere. David’s read is that reputation pricing like this survives only while people don’t do the research, and that window is closing. Steve draws the comparison to scam invoices dressed up as official renewal notices, official-looking, fine print disclaiming everything, designed to catch harried business owners at exactly the wrong moment.

Nobody’s going broke over $108. But looking after the pennies, as Steve puts it, still says something about how a business runs.

44:00 Perspicacity This segment is designed to sharpen our thinking by reflecting on a case study from the past.
The World’s Biggest Asshole, Revisited

This episode’s Perspicacity ad is 2016’s The World’s Biggest Asshole, made by the Martin Agency for Donate Life America. It spends its first 45 seconds building an unlikable man before revealing he was an organ donor. The numbers are real: daily registrations jumped roughly 625 percent in the first week, and video views passed 100 million by 2017.

David’s discomfort with the ad hasn’t shifted. Shock tactics might move a specific, angry audience, but they skip the harder work of building a genuinely positive case for organ donation. Steve agrees, with a caveat: the word that felt edgy in 2016 might not land the same way on an audience that’s grown numb to shock.

Where the segment gets interesting is the alternate version David would rather make: same unkind man, same list of harm done, but built toward one act of kindness nobody expected, and the people that kindness reached. Steve pushes the idea further, framing it not as proving someone was secretly kind, but as telling him plainly that he’s allowed a second chance to be seen as more than the worst thing he did.

A lamb ad and a locked-profile troll teach Steve and David the same lesson: the pause is the whole trick, and social media is built to make you skip it.
A British comedy sketch about a dry cleaner called Touching Cloth becomes the unlikely launchpad for Mini Steve&rsquo;s business-naming principles, tested live and mostly agreed with.
A client&rsquo;s expired domain name turns into a lesson about renewal traps, Melbourne IT&rsquo;s pricing, and the difference between penny-wise and paranoid.
An organ donor ad about the world&rsquo;s biggest asshole gets the Perspicacity treatment, with a verdict on whether shock still works when the target audience has gone numb to it.
Get ready to take notes.
Talking About Marketing&nbsp;podcast episode notes with timecodes
02:15 Person&nbsp;This segment focusses on you, the person, because we believe business is personal. The Pause That Saves You From Yourself
Steve opens with a confession disguised as a question: has David ever fired off an emotional comment online, or been on the receiving end of one? David has, and it wasn&rsquo;t pleasant. Neither host thinks the commenter would have said it to their face, which is really the whole problem in one sentence.
From there, a lamb ad supplies the unlikely proof of concept. The ad restages a real comment section as a portable grandstand, strangers hurling abuse at each other over nothing, until lamb arrives and somehow calms the mob. David&rsquo;s read cuts straight to the point: the redirection doesn&rsquo;t need to be profound, it just needs to be better than the dumb thing people are already doing.
Steve connects it to Jill Bolte Taylor&rsquo;s&nbsp;Whole Brain Living&nbsp;and the 90-second window before an emotional reaction locks in. He&rsquo;d had his own test that week: a stranger with a locked profile telling him to stick to snooker, a lame pun on his name. He didn&rsquo;t bite, because the algorithm wants the reaction more than it wants him to be right. Turning the other cheek, in this case, isn&rsquo;t weakness. It&rsquo;s refusing to feed the beast.
14:15 Principles This segment focusses principles you can apply in your business today. Touching Cloth and the Business of Naming Yourself
A comedy sketch about three well-meaning entrepreneurs naming their dry cleaning business Touching Cloth (a name with an unfortunate second meaning involving cloth, poo, and a failure of restraint) becomes the launchpad for testing some business naming principles. David&rsquo;s take on the sketch is blunt: the comedy comes from watching well-meaning people talk themselves past an obvious problem, out loud, without noticing.
Steve turns to Mini Steve, the AI model trained on his blog archive, to stress-test some naming principles, and finds himself agreeing with all of it. Say the name aloud to a stranger on a bad phone line. Check every handle and domain before falling in love with anything. Search the trademark register before you print a single business card. Avoid clever misspellings, since everyone types the correct version first and wonders why you didn&rsquo;t.
The sharpest distinction is descriptive versus distinctive. Descriptive names explain what you do and help with search from day one, but they&rsquo;re hard to trademark and easy to blend into the background. Distinctive names cost more to build meaning into, but once they mean something, that meaning is yours alone. Either way, the name&rsquo;s job is to be memorable and spellable, not to carry the whole value proposition. That&rsquo;s what the website and the tagline are for.
37:30 Problems This segment answers questions we've received from clients or listeners. The $108 Lesson in Domain Renewal
A client let a valuable domain name lapse and asked Steve, a day after it had expired, whether she should renew it. She should, because the test is simple: how would you feel if a competitor grabbed it? Terrible, she said. Renew it.
The real sting was the price. Her domain was registered with Melbourne IT, which charged $108 for a single year of a .com.au domain, against roughly $24 to $25 elsewhere. David&rsquo;s read is that reputation pricing like this survives only while people don&rsquo;t do the research, and that window is closing. Steve draws the comparison to scam invoices dressed up as official renewal notices, official-looking, fine print disclaiming everything, designed to catch harried business owners at exactly the wrong moment.
Nobody&rsquo;s going broke over $108. But looking after the pennies, as Steve puts it, still says something about how a business runs.
44:00 Perspicacity This segment is designed to sharpen our thinking by reflecting on a case study from the past. The World&rsquo;s Biggest Asshole, Revisited
This episode&rsquo;s Perspicacity ad is 2016&rsquo;s&nbsp;The World&rsquo;s Biggest Asshole, made by the Martin Agency for Donate Life America. It spends its first 45 seconds building an unlikable man before revealing he was an organ donor. The numbers are real: daily registrations jumped roughly 625 percent in the first week, and video views passed 100 million by 2017.
David&rsquo;s discomfort with the ad hasn&rsquo;t shifted. Shock tactics might move a specific, angry audience, but they skip the harder work of building a genuinely positive case for organ donation. Steve agrees, with a caveat: the word that felt edgy in 2016 might not land the same way on an audience that&rsquo;s grown numb to shock.
Where the segment gets interesting is the alternate version David would rather make: same unkind man, same list of harm done, but built toward one act of kindness nobody expected, and the people that kindness reached. Steve pushes the idea further, framing it not as proving someone was secretly kind, but as telling him plainly that he&rsquo;s allowed a second chance to be seen as more than the worst thing he did.

Talking About Marketing is a podcast for you to help you thrive in your role as a business owner and/or leader. It's produced by the Talked About Marketing team of Steve Davis and David Olney, with artwork by Casey Cumming. Each marketing podcast episode tips its hat to Philip Kotler's famous "4 Ps of Marketing" (Product, Price, Place, Promotion), by honouring our own 4 Ps of Podcasting; Person, Principles, Problems, and Perspicacity. Person. The aim of life is self-development. To realise one's nature perfectly-that is what each of us is here for. - Oscar Wilde Principles. You can never be overdressed or overeducated. - Oscar Wilde Problems. “I asked the question for the best reason possible, for the only reason, indeed, that excuses anyone for asking any question - simple curiosity. - Oscar Wilde Perspicacity. The one duty we owe to history is to rewrite it. - Oscar Wilde Apart from our love of words, we really love helping people, so we hope this podcast will become a trusted companion for you on your journey in business. We welcome your comments and feedback via podcast@talkedaboutmarketing.com

Talking About Marketing is a podcast for you to help you thrive in your role as a business owner and/or leader. It's produced by the Talked About Marketing team of Steve Davis and David Olney, with artwork by Casey Cumming. Each marketing podcast episode tips its hat to Philip Kotler's famous "4 Ps of Marketing" (Product, Price, Place, Promotion), by honouring our own 4 Ps of Podcasting; Person, Principles, Problems, and Perspicacity. Person. The aim of life is self-development. To realise one's nature perfectly-that is what each of us is here for. - Oscar Wilde Principles. You can never be overdressed or overeducated. - Oscar Wilde Problems. “I asked the question for the best reason possible, for the only reason, indeed, that excuses anyone for asking any question - simple curiosity. - Oscar Wilde Perspicacity. The one duty we owe to history is to rewrite it. - Oscar Wilde Apart from our love of words, we really love helping people, so we hope this podcast will become a trusted companion for you on your journey in business. We welcome your comments and feedback via podcast@talkedaboutmarketing.com

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Talking About Marketing is a podcast for you to help you thrive in your role as a business owner and/or leader. It's produced by the Talked About Marketing team of Steve Davis and David Olney, with editing by Tim Whiffen. Artwork by Casey Cumming.

Each marketing podcast episode tips its hat to Philip Kotler's famous "4 Ps of Marketing" (Product, Price, Place, Promotion), by honouring our own 4 Ps of Podcasting; Person, Principles, Problems, and Perspicacity.
Person. The aim of life is self-development. To realise one's nature perfectly-that is what each of us is here for. - Oscar Wilde
Principles. You can never be overdressed or overeducated. - Oscar Wilde
Problems. “I asked the question for the best reason possible, for the only reason, indeed, that excuses anyone for asking any question - simple curiosity. - Oscar Wilde
Perspicacity. The one duty we owe to history is to rewrite it. - Oscar Wilde

Apart from our love of words, we really love helping people, so we hope this podcast will become a trusted companion for you on your journey in business.

We welcome your comments and feedback via podcast@talkedaboutmarketing.com

<a href="https://talkedaboutmarketing.com/podcast/">Talking About Marketing</a> is a podcast for you to help you thrive in your role as a business owner and/or leader. It's produced by the Talked About Marketing team of Steve Davis and David Olney, with editing by Tim Whiffen. Artwork by Casey Cumming.
Each marketing podcast episode tips its hat to Philip Kotler's famous "4 Ps of Marketing" (Product, Price, Place, Promotion), by honouring our own 4 Ps of Podcasting; Person, Principles, Problems, and Perspicacity.
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<li>Person. The aim of life is self-development. To realise one's nature perfectly-that is what each of us is here for. - Oscar Wilde</li>
<li>Principles. You can never be overdressed or overeducated. - Oscar Wilde</li>
<li>Problems. “I asked the question for the best reason possible, for the only reason, indeed, that excuses anyone for asking any question - simple curiosity. - Oscar Wilde</li>
<li>Perspicacity. The one duty we owe to history is to rewrite it. - Oscar Wilde</li>
</ol>
Apart from our love of words, we really love helping people, so we hope this podcast will become a trusted companion for you on your journey in business.
We welcome your comments and feedback via <a href="mailto:podcast@talkedaboutmarketing.com">podcast@talkedaboutmarketing.com</a>

From a keyboard warrior calling Steve a snooker player, to a comedy dry cleaner called Touching Cloth, this episode asks whether your business name is doing you any favours, or just quietly touching cloth of its own.