Person

Principles

Problems

Perspicacity

In Person, Leigh Anderson’s “The Paramedic Mindset” reveals why technical competence becomes the foundation for human connection, particularly when stakes are highest. His framework of physical, psychological, and social wellbeing offers a blueprint for anyone working under pressure.

In Principles, Lisa Cron’s “Story or Die” digs into the neurological reasons why narrative trumps instruction every time. Her core insight cuts through storytelling theory: if you want to change what people think, change what they feel first.

In Problems, a scammer’s sophisticated psychological manipulation shows how influence techniques can be weaponised through fake email chains and manufactured authority.

In Perspicacity, a Tasmanian furniture ad demonstrates how repetition without creativity creates memorability for all the wrong reasons.

Get ready to take notes.

Talking About Marketing podcast episode notes with timecodes

01:30 Person This segment focusses on you, the person, because we believe business is personal.
The Paramedic’s Guide to Human Flourishing

Drawing from Leigh Anderson’s journey from professional rugby aspirations to emergency response, The Paramedic Mindset offers hard-won wisdom about performing under extreme pressure. Anderson’s framework centres on four pillars: competence, physical wellbeing, psychological wellbeing, and social wellbeing.

The competence foundation proves crucial. Anderson argues you must become so technically proficient that execution becomes automatic, freeing mental resources for the human elements of your work. This echoes David’s mobility instructor Roley Stewart’s teaching: competence before confidence, creating a cycle where skill builds confidence, which enables greater risk-taking to develop further competence.

Anderson’s approach to mental health particularly resonates. He distinguishes between mental illness (diagnosable conditions) and mental health (the broader spectrum of psychological functioning). Poor mental health doesn’t mean depression; it means languishing rather than flourishing. As Anderson notes, prevention beats cure, and actively maintaining psychological wellbeing prevents sliding toward clinical concerns.

13:30 Principles This segment focusses principles you can apply in your business today.
The Neuroscience of Narrative Power

Despite its occasionally patronising tone, Lisa Cron’s Story or Die provides compelling scientific backing for what storytellers have known intuitively: narrative literally changes brains. Cron’s research explains why stories engage our complete attention in ways that instruction cannot match.

Her two core principles prove immediately practical: to change what people think, change what they feel first. To change what they feel, tell stories that connect with their existing agenda. This framework transforms every business interaction from a request for action into an exploration of connection.

Steve and David tested this immediately in their consulting work. Rather than launching into solutions, they began conversations by identifying what clients genuinely cared about, then positioning recommendations as pathways toward those existing goals. The shift from explanation to exploration consistently improved engagement and outcomes.

The local pizza example perfectly illustrates this principle in action. Ross Trevor Pizza Bar doesn’t just serve excellent food; they remember customer preferences, family dynamics, and personal stories. This emotional connection transforms a transaction into a relationship, making competing venues irrelevant regardless of their pizza quality.

23:45 Problems This segment answers questions we've received from clients or listeners.
The Sophisticated Scammer’s Playbook

A recent cold email demonstrates how persuasion principles can be weaponised through manufactured social proof. The sender created a fictional internal conversation, complete with a supposed COO recommendation, to bypass standard spam filters and tap into Cialdini’s principle that we’re more likely to respond when approached on behalf of others.

The technique shows sophisticated understanding of repetition with variation, presenting identical benefits through slightly different framing to create familiarity. However, the execution fails through obvious fabrication. The forwarded email addresses recipients as “they” rather than by name, immediately destroying credibility.

This approach reveals both the power and the peril of influence techniques. When deployed authentically, they facilitate genuine connection. When manufactured, they create immediate suspicion and lasting damage to trust.

28:45 Perspicacity This segment is designed to sharpen our thinking by reflecting on a case study from the past.
The Sledgehammer School of Advertising

A Tasmanian furniture retailer’s radio advertisement showcases how repetition without creativity creates memorability through irritation rather than attraction. The 40 Winks “40 hour sale” ad simply repeats “40” dozens of times with no narrative, humour, or personality.

While such aggressive repetition might prompt immediate action from in-market consumers, it risks long-term brand damage through negative association. Unlike memorable bad advertising that develops cult followings (like Frank Walker’s tile company ads that spawned dubstep remixes), this approach offers nothing beyond annoyance.

The contrast with personality-driven campaigns highlights an important principle: if you’re going to be memorable for the wrong reasons, at least ensure there’s a reason worth remembering.

In Person, Leigh Anderson&rsquo;s &ldquo;The Paramedic Mindset&rdquo; reveals why technical competence becomes the foundation for human connection, particularly when stakes are highest. His framework of physical, psychological, and social wellbeing offers a blueprint for anyone working under pressure.
In Principles, Lisa Cron&rsquo;s &ldquo;Story or Die&rdquo; digs into the neurological reasons why narrative trumps instruction every time. Her core insight cuts through storytelling theory: if you want to change what people think, change what they feel first.
In Problems, a scammer&rsquo;s sophisticated psychological manipulation shows how influence techniques can be weaponised through fake email chains and manufactured authority.
In Perspicacity, a Tasmanian furniture ad demonstrates how repetition without creativity creates memorability for all the wrong reasons.
Get ready to take notes.
Talking About Marketing&nbsp;podcast episode notes with timecodes
01:30 Person&nbsp;This segment focusses on you, the person, because we believe business is personal. The Paramedic&rsquo;s Guide to Human Flourishing
Drawing from Leigh Anderson&rsquo;s journey from professional rugby aspirations to emergency response,&nbsp;<a href="http://drawing%20from%20lee%20anderson's%20journey%20from%20professional%20rugby%20aspirations%20to%20emergency%20response,%20&quot;the%20paramedic%20mindset&quot;%20offers%20hard-won%20wisdom%20about%20performing%20under%20extreme%20pressure.%20anderson's%20framework%20centres%20on%20four%20pillars:%20competence,%20physical%20wellbeing,%20psychological%20wellbeing,%20and%20social%20wellbeing.%20the%20competence%20foundation%20proves%20crucial.%20anderson%20argues%20you%20must%20become%20so%20technically%20proficient%20that%20execution%20becomes%20automatic,%20freeing%20mental%20resources%20for%20the%20human%20elements%20of%20your%20work.%20this%20echoes%20david's%20mobility%20instructor%20rollie%20stewart's%20teaching:%20competence%20before%20confidence,%20creating%20a%20cycle%20where%20skill%20builds%20confidence,%20which%20enables%20greater%20risk-taking%20to%20develop%20further%20competence.%20Anderson's%20approach%20to%20mental%20health%20particularly%20resonates.%20He%20distinguishes%20between%20mental%20illness%20(diagnosable%20conditions)%20and%20mental%20health%20(the%20broader%20spectrum%20of%20psychological%20functioning).%20Poor%20mental%20health%20doesn't%20mean%20depression;%20it%20means%20languishing%20rather%20than%20flourishing.%20As%20Anderson%20notes,%20prevention%20beats%20cure,%20and%20actively%20maintaining%20psychological%20wellbeing%20prevents%20sliding%20toward%20clinical%20concerns./">The Paramedic Mindset</a>&nbsp;offers hard-won wisdom about performing under extreme pressure. Anderson&rsquo;s framework centres on four pillars: competence, physical wellbeing, psychological wellbeing, and social wellbeing.
The competence foundation proves crucial. Anderson argues you must become so technically proficient that execution becomes automatic, freeing mental resources for the human elements of your work. This echoes David&rsquo;s mobility instructor Roley Stewart&rsquo;s teaching: competence before confidence, creating a cycle where skill builds confidence, which enables greater risk-taking to develop further competence.
Anderson&rsquo;s approach to mental health particularly resonates. He distinguishes between mental illness (diagnosable conditions) and mental health (the broader spectrum of psychological functioning). Poor mental health doesn&rsquo;t mean depression; it means languishing rather than flourishing. As Anderson notes, prevention beats cure, and actively maintaining psychological wellbeing prevents sliding toward clinical concerns.
13:30 Principles This segment focusses principles you can apply in your business today. The Neuroscience of Narrative Power
Despite its occasionally patronising tone, Lisa Cron&rsquo;s&nbsp;<a href="https://amzn.to/489tzZw">Story or Die</a>&nbsp;provides compelling scientific backing for what storytellers have known intuitively: narrative literally changes brains. Cron&rsquo;s research explains why stories engage our complete attention in ways that instruction cannot match.
Her two core principles prove immediately practical: to change what people think, change what they feel first. To change what they feel, tell stories that connect with their existing agenda. This framework transforms every business interaction from a request for action into an exploration of connection.
Steve and David tested this immediately in their consulting work. Rather than launching into solutions, they began conversations by identifying what clients genuinely cared about, then positioning recommendations as pathways toward those existing goals. The shift from explanation to exploration consistently improved engagement and outcomes.
The local pizza example perfectly illustrates this principle in action. Ross Trevor Pizza Bar doesn&rsquo;t just serve excellent food; they remember customer preferences, family dynamics, and personal stories. This emotional connection transforms a transaction into a relationship, making competing venues irrelevant regardless of their pizza quality.
23:45 Problems This segment answers questions we've received from clients or listeners. The Sophisticated Scammer&rsquo;s Playbook
A recent cold email demonstrates how persuasion principles can be weaponised through manufactured social proof. The sender created a fictional internal conversation, complete with a supposed COO recommendation, to bypass standard spam filters and tap into Cialdini&rsquo;s principle that we&rsquo;re more likely to respond when approached on behalf of others.
The technique shows sophisticated understanding of repetition with variation, presenting identical benefits through slightly different framing to create familiarity. However, the execution fails through obvious fabrication. The forwarded email addresses recipients as &ldquo;they&rdquo; rather than by name, immediately destroying credibility.
This approach reveals both the power and the peril of influence techniques. When deployed authentically, they facilitate genuine connection. When manufactured, they create immediate suspicion and lasting damage to trust.
28:45 Perspicacity This segment is designed to sharpen our thinking by reflecting on a case study from the past. The Sledgehammer School of Advertising
A Tasmanian furniture retailer&rsquo;s radio advertisement showcases how repetition without creativity creates memorability through irritation rather than attraction. The 40 Winks &ldquo;40 hour sale&rdquo; ad simply repeats &ldquo;40&rdquo; dozens of times with no narrative, humour, or personality.
While such aggressive repetition might prompt immediate action from in-market consumers, it risks long-term brand damage through negative association. Unlike memorable bad advertising that develops cult followings (like Frank Walker&rsquo;s tile company ads that spawned dubstep remixes), this approach offers nothing beyond annoyance.
The contrast with personality-driven campaigns highlights an important principle: if you&rsquo;re going to be memorable for the wrong reasons, at least ensure there&rsquo;s a reason worth remembering.

Talking About Marketing is a podcast for you to help you thrive in your role as a business owner and/or leader. It's produced by the Talked About Marketing team of Steve Davis and David Olney, with artwork by Casey Cumming. Each marketing podcast episode tips its hat to Philip Kotler's famous "4 Ps of Marketing" (Product, Price, Place, Promotion), by honouring our own 4 Ps of Podcasting; Person, Principles, Problems, and Perspicacity. Person. The aim of life is self-development. To realise one's nature perfectly-that is what each of us is here for. - Oscar Wilde Principles. You can never be overdressed or overeducated. - Oscar Wilde Problems. “I asked the question for the best reason possible, for the only reason, indeed, that excuses anyone for asking any question - simple curiosity. - Oscar Wilde Perspicacity. The one duty we owe to history is to rewrite it. - Oscar Wilde Apart from our love of words, we really love helping people, so we hope this podcast will become a trusted companion for you on your journey in business. We welcome your comments and feedback via podcast@talkedaboutmarketing.com

Talking About Marketing is a podcast for you to help you thrive in your role as a business owner and/or leader. It's produced by the Talked About Marketing team of Steve Davis and David Olney, with artwork by Casey Cumming. Each marketing podcast episode tips its hat to Philip Kotler's famous "4 Ps of Marketing" (Product, Price, Place, Promotion), by honouring our own 4 Ps of Podcasting; Person, Principles, Problems, and Perspicacity. Person. The aim of life is self-development. To realise one's nature perfectly-that is what each of us is here for. - Oscar Wilde Principles. You can never be overdressed or overeducated. - Oscar Wilde Problems. “I asked the question for the best reason possible, for the only reason, indeed, that excuses anyone for asking any question - simple curiosity. - Oscar Wilde Perspicacity. The one duty we owe to history is to rewrite it. - Oscar Wilde Apart from our love of words, we really love helping people, so we hope this podcast will become a trusted companion for you on your journey in business. We welcome your comments and feedback via podcast@talkedaboutmarketing.com

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Talking About Marketing

Talking About Marketing is a podcast for you to help you thrive in your role as a business owner and/or leader. It's produced by the Talked About Marketing team of Steve Davis and David Olney, with editing by Tim Whiffen. Artwork by Casey Cumming.

Each marketing podcast episode tips its hat to Philip Kotler's famous "4 Ps of Marketing" (Product, Price, Place, Promotion), by honouring our own 4 Ps of Podcasting; Person, Principles, Problems, and Perspicacity.
Person. The aim of life is self-development. To realise one's nature perfectly-that is what each of us is here for. - Oscar Wilde
Principles. You can never be overdressed or overeducated. - Oscar Wilde
Problems. “I asked the question for the best reason possible, for the only reason, indeed, that excuses anyone for asking any question - simple curiosity. - Oscar Wilde
Perspicacity. The one duty we owe to history is to rewrite it. - Oscar Wilde

Apart from our love of words, we really love helping people, so we hope this podcast will become a trusted companion for you on your journey in business.

We welcome your comments and feedback via podcast@talkedaboutmarketing.com

<a href="https://talkedaboutmarketing.com/podcast/">Talking About Marketing</a> is a podcast for you to help you thrive in your role as a business owner and/or leader. It's produced by the Talked About Marketing team of Steve Davis and David Olney, with editing by Tim Whiffen. Artwork by Casey Cumming.
Each marketing podcast episode tips its hat to Philip Kotler's famous "4 Ps of Marketing" (Product, Price, Place, Promotion), by honouring our own 4 Ps of Podcasting; Person, Principles, Problems, and Perspicacity.
<ol>
<li>Person. The aim of life is self-development. To realise one's nature perfectly-that is what each of us is here for. - Oscar Wilde</li>
<li>Principles. You can never be overdressed or overeducated. - Oscar Wilde</li>
<li>Problems. “I asked the question for the best reason possible, for the only reason, indeed, that excuses anyone for asking any question - simple curiosity. - Oscar Wilde</li>
<li>Perspicacity. The one duty we owe to history is to rewrite it. - Oscar Wilde</li>
</ol>
Apart from our love of words, we really love helping people, so we hope this podcast will become a trusted companion for you on your journey in business.
We welcome your comments and feedback via <a href="mailto:podcast@talkedaboutmarketing.com">podcast@talkedaboutmarketing.com</a>

From paramedic wisdom to the neuroscience of narrative, we explore how competence creates space for connection and why changing minds requires changing hearts first.