Pushkin. This is talk easy. I'm standing forgo SOO. Welcome to the show. Today we return to our conversation with musician and actor Alana how Am. I sat with Alana around her on screen debut in the film Licorice Pizza, directed by the great Paul Thomas Anderson. In it, Alana plays Alana Kine rutterless, twenty five year old living with her parents who works part time as a photo assistant in the San Fernando Valley circa nineteen seventy three. In the nearly two years since that breakout performance, Alana has been busy on tour with her sisters Danielle and Esti, the three of whom make up the rock band I Am. If you haven't listened to their latest record, Women in Music Part Three, which if you're listening to this right now, you definitely have. But if you haven't, you can hear it at Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your music. Of course, this past Sunday, we sat with Esti to celebrate her latest work as a composer to the Netflix original film You are so not Invited to my bot mitzvah. If you haven't listened to that talk, it really is one of my favorites from this past summer. You can do so, of course, wherever you are listening to this right now. As for today, I want to replay our talk with Ilana, which charts her upbringing in the valley, her thirteen going on thirty, theory, and the thrill of performing alongside her sister's post pandemic. That's all coming up after the break with our guest Alana him enjoy. Let's get into this. Let's do a quick test of you. What don't you have for breakfast?

Pushkin. This is talk easy. I'm standing forgo SOO. Welcome to the show. Today we return to our conversation with musician and actor Alana how Am. I sat with Alana around her on screen debut in the film Licorice Pizza, directed by the great Paul Thomas Anderson. In it, Alana plays Alana Kine rutterless, twenty five year old living with her parents who works part time as a photo assistant in the San Fernando Valley circa nineteen seventy three. In the nearly two years since that breakout performance, Alana has been busy on tour with her sisters Danielle and Esti, the three of whom make up the rock band I Am. If you haven't listened to their latest record, Women in Music Part Three, which if you're listening to this right now, you definitely have. But if you haven't, you can hear it at Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your music. Of course, this past Sunday, we sat with Esti to celebrate her latest work as a composer to the Netflix original film You are so not Invited to my bot mitzvah. If you haven't listened to that talk, it really is one of my favorites from this past summer. You can do so, of course, wherever you are listening to this right now. As for today, I want to replay our talk with Ilana, which charts her upbringing in the valley, her thirteen going on thirty, theory, and the thrill of performing alongside her sister's post pandemic. That's all coming up after the break with our guest Alana him enjoy. Let's get into this. Let's do a quick test of you. What don't you have for breakfast?

I didn't need breakfast. Call, I'm realizing that I didn't need breakfast. I had coffee, coffee for breakfast.

I didn't need breakfast. Call, I'm realizing that I didn't need breakfast. I had coffee, coffee for breakfast.

Okay, you had a cookie, it's.

Okay, you had a cookie, it's.

Fine, and I had a cookie.

Fine, and I had a cookie.

You're gonna be great. Okay, We're definitely not gonna put this in there. Alanahim, Hi, how are you doing.

You're gonna be great. Okay, We're definitely not gonna put this in there. Alanahim, Hi, how are you doing.

I'm doing great. I'm really happy to be here. I'm very excited.

I'm doing great. I'm really happy to be here. I'm very excited.

You came all the way out to Highland Park.

You came all the way out to Highland Park.

I did. I love Highland Park. I live in on the east side. This is just a hop, skip and a jump.

I did. I love Highland Park. I live in on the east side. This is just a hop, skip and a jump.

No one ever says that when they come here it's always like a big journey for everyone. Oh no, I love it, this whole movie you're in and your part in it. I know it's a whirlwind, But I think to understand how this even happened, we have to go back to the late seventies early eighties where your mother, who's in her early twenties, moves from Philadelphia to California and gets a job assisting and our teacher at a private school in Sherman Oaks called the Buckley School. What happens next.

No one ever says that when they come here it's always like a big journey for everyone. Oh no, I love it, this whole movie you're in and your part in it. I know it's a whirlwind, But I think to understand how this even happened, we have to go back to the late seventies early eighties where your mother, who's in her early twenties, moves from Philadelphia to California and gets a job assisting and our teacher at a private school in Sherman Oaks called the Buckley School. What happens next.

A very crazy thing happens. So my mother got this job assisting a teacher at Buckley because she needed hours for her credential. And one day she was assisting this very lovely older woman. This said woman had a heart attack in the parking lot of the school and unfortunately passed away in the parking lot. How Paul describes Buckley, and I've had conversations with him, is that a lot of the teachers at Buckley were older, had like gray hair. You know. I feel like if you search clip art teacher on like word, it's like an old lady with like gray hair and like a ruler.

A very crazy thing happens. So my mother got this job assisting a teacher at Buckley because she needed hours for her credential. And one day she was assisting this very lovely older woman. This said woman had a heart attack in the parking lot of the school and unfortunately passed away in the parking lot. How Paul describes Buckley, and I've had conversations with him, is that a lot of the teachers at Buckley were older, had like gray hair. You know. I feel like if you search clip art teacher on like word, it's like an old lady with like gray hair and like a ruler.

Maybe those are the teachers that.

Maybe those are the teachers that.

Those are the teachers at Buckley. At that time. My mom was in her early twenties, and I guess in the school system here you don't actually need a teaching credential to teach in private school, which is telling a little crazy. Did not know that, and instead of finding a certified teacher, they just asked my mother if she would just join the team be the teacher. And my mom, of course was like, yeah, for sure, it's a pay I'm actually gonna get paid, and all I want to do is teach. And so my mom completely transformed the classroom almost overnight, like brought her record player in, her instruments, her guitar that she had gone when she was sixteen. It was this Yamaha and nylon string that she had gotten and she had saved. Remember, she used to tell me that she used to take old bicycle tires and cut them up and make stamps out of them. That was like a big, you know, art project that she loved doing every year. She was resourceful, super resourceful, super like hippie mom, like loved just letting her kids that she taught run free. And one of her students was Paul Thomas Anderson. He was very young, he was like six seven or eight, and she always talked about how Paul was super just really creative, Like she could never tell him what to do. It was like, okay, we're making stamps out of bicycle tires. And he would be off somewhere just doing whatever he wanted. And she loved that. She loved any sort of creativity.

Those are the teachers at Buckley. At that time. My mom was in her early twenties, and I guess in the school system here you don't actually need a teaching credential to teach in private school, which is telling a little crazy. Did not know that, and instead of finding a certified teacher, they just asked my mother if she would just join the team be the teacher. And my mom, of course was like, yeah, for sure, it's a pay I'm actually gonna get paid, and all I want to do is teach. And so my mom completely transformed the classroom almost overnight, like brought her record player in, her instruments, her guitar that she had gone when she was sixteen. It was this Yamaha and nylon string that she had gotten and she had saved. Remember, she used to tell me that she used to take old bicycle tires and cut them up and make stamps out of them. That was like a big, you know, art project that she loved doing every year. She was resourceful, super resourceful, super like hippie mom, like loved just letting her kids that she taught run free. And one of her students was Paul Thomas Anderson. He was very young, he was like six seven or eight, and she always talked about how Paul was super just really creative, Like she could never tell him what to do. It was like, okay, we're making stamps out of bicycle tires. And he would be off somewhere just doing whatever he wanted. And she loved that. She loved any sort of creativity.

And he was kind of in love with her.

And he was kind of in love with her.

I mean, he says that I don't know that actually in love with my mom. I mean, I think the thing is that my mom was so completely different to all the teachers that were at Buckley. She looked like me, and in comparison to the clip art version of a teacher, my mom probably looked like an angel to a young Paul Thomas Anderson. But she was Miss Rose. She wasn't Miss Hime. She hadn't even met my dad yet, which is like, come on, for a name for an art teacher, Miss Rose, like miss Honey, Yeah, it's Lely Matilda.

I mean, he says that I don't know that actually in love with my mom. I mean, I think the thing is that my mom was so completely different to all the teachers that were at Buckley. She looked like me, and in comparison to the clip art version of a teacher, my mom probably looked like an angel to a young Paul Thomas Anderson. But she was Miss Rose. She wasn't Miss Hime. She hadn't even met my dad yet, which is like, come on, for a name for an art teacher, Miss Rose, like miss Honey, Yeah, it's Lely Matilda.

So when you grew up and you all would be watching his early movies, wouldn't she be commenting on them totally?

So when you grew up and you all would be watching his early movies, wouldn't she be commenting on them totally?

I mean we would watch like the TBS version of Boogie Nights, which is like the highly edited version. I think it's like, yeah, it's like ten minutes long. I can't even imagine it now, but it's very highly edited and bleeped in, you know a lot of you know, sensory. But anytime we would see anything about Paul, even in the news or you know, if he had a movie coming out, we'd always my mom would always be like I taught him, you know, I taught him. And there was never really like evidence, like there was a yearbook that you know, Paul was in it and so was my mom, and like we could assume that my mom taught him, but like I'm always just like, come on, Mom, like did you actually teach him?

I mean we would watch like the TBS version of Boogie Nights, which is like the highly edited version. I think it's like, yeah, it's like ten minutes long. I can't even imagine it now, but it's very highly edited and bleeped in, you know a lot of you know, sensory. But anytime we would see anything about Paul, even in the news or you know, if he had a movie coming out, we'd always my mom would always be like I taught him, you know, I taught him. And there was never really like evidence, like there was a yearbook that you know, Paul was in it and so was my mom, and like we could assume that my mom taught him, but like I'm always just like, come on, Mom, like did you actually teach him?

The three of you were skeptical.

The three of you were skeptical.

Though very skeptical. I mean, we're always skeptical about anything, but yeah, no when we eventually one day we got a call from my friend Asa to Con who's an Electric Guests, this band Electric Guest, who actually gave me my first job. One of my first jobs when I was sixteen was to sing jingles for companies and I would get fifty dollars a session, which was a big deal for a sixteen year old. To have fifty dollars was like, you remember any of the jingles for Comcast? It was c O MC A st that's what I would do at sixteen. I mean, I didn't get an allowance. My parents weren't giving me money, and like, of course, you know, I wanted to get into some trouble. So having fifty dollars as a sixteen year old was I don't know, I don't know where I'm going. I don't even know where the jingle is, Like, can I tell you somewhere? It's on this podcast, it's now, it's on this podcast. But you know, no, I would show up and and I would give fifty dollars at the end of the session. But ASA then eventually dollars. Fifty dollars. That's so much money. That's too much money for a sixteen year old.

Though very skeptical. I mean, we're always skeptical about anything, but yeah, no when we eventually one day we got a call from my friend Asa to Con who's an Electric Guests, this band Electric Guest, who actually gave me my first job. One of my first jobs when I was sixteen was to sing jingles for companies and I would get fifty dollars a session, which was a big deal for a sixteen year old. To have fifty dollars was like, you remember any of the jingles for Comcast? It was c O MC A st that's what I would do at sixteen. I mean, I didn't get an allowance. My parents weren't giving me money, and like, of course, you know, I wanted to get into some trouble. So having fifty dollars as a sixteen year old was I don't know, I don't know where I'm going. I don't even know where the jingle is, Like, can I tell you somewhere? It's on this podcast, it's now, it's on this podcast. But you know, no, I would show up and and I would give fifty dollars at the end of the session. But ASA then eventually dollars. Fifty dollars. That's so much money. That's too much money for a sixteen year old.

I think they were ripping you off.

I think they were ripping you off.

Oh I was like so excited.

Oh I was like so excited.

Fifty dollars for Comcast.

Fifty dollars for Comcast.

I guess I don't even really what is Comcast. I don't even really know what it is. Maybe I should go back and sue them for child labor idea.

I guess I don't even really what is Comcast. I don't even really know what it is. Maybe I should go back and sue them for child labor idea.

They're actually a sponsor of the show.

They're actually a sponsor of the show.

Oh shit, we love comcasts completely okay, good, But so ASA called us one day and said, Paul Thomas Anderson reached out to me because this is how Paul explains it. Paul, I guess, had heard Forever on the radio and he had looked at our liner notes and had seen that we had thanked Asa on our first record because he gave me my first job, so we thanked. I mean, I also love him, but we thanked him on our record. And Paul knew Asa through the Lonely Island because ASA's brother is yrmaticone, and then called us through ASA was like, you know how I am give them my email, which is crazy, and ASA got us the email, and it took us like three days to message him back, not because we didn't want to, just because we didn't know what to say, like what do you how do you write an email to like an icon? You're like okay, And then finally we emailed him and he had invited us to his house in Tarzana, and we showed up and really like we really weren't going to tell him about mom, because my mom is a baby angel, like she honest, it's so hard to hate my mom. But I grew up hating all my teachers, like I hated authority, and so I was just like, maybe we shouldn't tell Paul, because who knows he might have not liked mom. And we showed up and Stie immediately just said, hi, my mom taught you. And he was like, who is your mom? Because he kind of felt the same way, like, oh God, who is your I hated all my teachers? And we said my mom was Miss Rose and he said no way, and his eyes brightened and he went into his son's room and he took out this painting of the mounds from Close Encounters of the Third Kind and he's like, I painted this with your mom and I've kept it all these years. And that was like the beginning of our friendship was he's like, I loved your mom. And then we obviously talked about the valley for fifteen million hours and music and everything and we just became friends.

Oh shit, we love comcasts completely okay, good, But so ASA called us one day and said, Paul Thomas Anderson reached out to me because this is how Paul explains it. Paul, I guess, had heard Forever on the radio and he had looked at our liner notes and had seen that we had thanked Asa on our first record because he gave me my first job, so we thanked. I mean, I also love him, but we thanked him on our record. And Paul knew Asa through the Lonely Island because ASA's brother is yrmaticone, and then called us through ASA was like, you know how I am give them my email, which is crazy, and ASA got us the email, and it took us like three days to message him back, not because we didn't want to, just because we didn't know what to say, like what do you how do you write an email to like an icon? You're like okay, And then finally we emailed him and he had invited us to his house in Tarzana, and we showed up and really like we really weren't going to tell him about mom, because my mom is a baby angel, like she honest, it's so hard to hate my mom. But I grew up hating all my teachers, like I hated authority, and so I was just like, maybe we shouldn't tell Paul, because who knows he might have not liked mom. And we showed up and Stie immediately just said, hi, my mom taught you. And he was like, who is your mom? Because he kind of felt the same way, like, oh God, who is your I hated all my teachers? And we said my mom was Miss Rose and he said no way, and his eyes brightened and he went into his son's room and he took out this painting of the mounds from Close Encounters of the Third Kind and he's like, I painted this with your mom and I've kept it all these years. And that was like the beginning of our friendship was he's like, I loved your mom. And then we obviously talked about the valley for fifteen million hours and music and everything and we just became friends.

So in between then and now, the four of you make a handful of music videos. Yes, you have this working relationship inside this movie, which is set in the San Fernando Valley nineteen seventy three, I think the year is. You're playing this woman in her early twenties. We meet her as a photographer assistant on the job. You meet and begin to develop a friendship with this high school student named Gary who's fifteen, precocious, ambitious. As the film plays out, it's clear she has some arrested development. There's a clear age gap between the two of you, but you both feel like the same age. And I wanted to start inside the movie with this because you've had a long standing theory, as I understand it, that you think, whoever we are in seventh grade, yes, is who we're going to be forever. Where do those two dovetail for you between that theory and this movie.

So in between then and now, the four of you make a handful of music videos. Yes, you have this working relationship inside this movie, which is set in the San Fernando Valley nineteen seventy three, I think the year is. You're playing this woman in her early twenties. We meet her as a photographer assistant on the job. You meet and begin to develop a friendship with this high school student named Gary who's fifteen, precocious, ambitious. As the film plays out, it's clear she has some arrested development. There's a clear age gap between the two of you, but you both feel like the same age. And I wanted to start inside the movie with this because you've had a long standing theory, as I understand it, that you think, whoever we are in seventh grade, yes, is who we're going to be forever. Where do those two dovetail for you between that theory and this movie.

I do believe that because I do feel like I have the same confidence as I did when I was in seventh grade. And when I say I have the confidence of somebody, that means I have zero confidence. It means that I'm like literally the girl at the party, like everyone's playing spin the bottle and no one wants to make out with me kind of energy. I just think it was such a formative year of my life. I mean, Bombits for season, if we're talking about Jewish vocabulary, Bombits with Season was very life changing scene for me. But Alana Cain, It's interesting because when you meet her, I mean, she has a job, she seems like she kind of knows what she's doing, and then you scratch the surface, like just a little bit, and it's like, no, she lives with her parents still, and she has no idea what she's doing, and she's very confused about life. And she meets Gary, who on the surface is a teenager who doesn't seem like he has anything going on for his life. And then actually he has a job that's way better than Alanas. He takes care of his brother while his mom is off doing pr for the hacienda in Las Vegas, and he's kind of actually the more mature one, which is so interesting to me because I mean, I'm the baby of the family, so I have two sisters that basically have taken care of me my whole life. Even though I'm almost thirty, I still feel again like I'm in seventh grade. I never and I never will change.

I do believe that because I do feel like I have the same confidence as I did when I was in seventh grade. And when I say I have the confidence of somebody, that means I have zero confidence. It means that I'm like literally the girl at the party, like everyone's playing spin the bottle and no one wants to make out with me kind of energy. I just think it was such a formative year of my life. I mean, Bombits for season, if we're talking about Jewish vocabulary, Bombits with Season was very life changing scene for me. But Alana Cain, It's interesting because when you meet her, I mean, she has a job, she seems like she kind of knows what she's doing, and then you scratch the surface, like just a little bit, and it's like, no, she lives with her parents still, and she has no idea what she's doing, and she's very confused about life. And she meets Gary, who on the surface is a teenager who doesn't seem like he has anything going on for his life. And then actually he has a job that's way better than Alanas. He takes care of his brother while his mom is off doing pr for the hacienda in Las Vegas, and he's kind of actually the more mature one, which is so interesting to me because I mean, I'm the baby of the family, so I have two sisters that basically have taken care of me my whole life. Even though I'm almost thirty, I still feel again like I'm in seventh grade. I never and I never will change.

When you decided to say yes to this, how much of yourself did you see in this character?

When you decided to say yes to this, how much of yourself did you see in this character?

I saw a lot of myself in the fact that she is kind of thrown into these crazy jobs and the way that she really does adapt quickly. I think you see it mostly when she's with Joel Wax. I think at that point with Alana Kane, she really needs to get her life together. I mean she's just driven a U haul backwards down you know, the hills of Tarzana almost you know, just escaping life, you know, by an inch, and she realizes, Okay, it's time, like I need, I need to get my life together. And you see her getting introduced as just like a junior person, and then very quickly she'd be comes Joel Wax's right hand girl that you know, he trusts her and cares for her and wants her to succeed. And I think that I really do see myself in that sense that I've worked a million jobs and I really do fall ahead first, and I really want to do a good job, and I am really hard working in that sense. I also just love that she knows how to sell a waterbed, like I mean, my parents grew up selling T shirts on the boardwalk of Wildwood, and so I feel like I have this shmata business kind of running through my veins. I can sell anything, and I definitely could sell a waterbed.

I saw a lot of myself in the fact that she is kind of thrown into these crazy jobs and the way that she really does adapt quickly. I think you see it mostly when she's with Joel Wax. I think at that point with Alana Kane, she really needs to get her life together. I mean she's just driven a U haul backwards down you know, the hills of Tarzana almost you know, just escaping life, you know, by an inch, and she realizes, Okay, it's time, like I need, I need to get my life together. And you see her getting introduced as just like a junior person, and then very quickly she'd be comes Joel Wax's right hand girl that you know, he trusts her and cares for her and wants her to succeed. And I think that I really do see myself in that sense that I've worked a million jobs and I really do fall ahead first, and I really want to do a good job, and I am really hard working in that sense. I also just love that she knows how to sell a waterbed, like I mean, my parents grew up selling T shirts on the boardwalk of Wildwood, and so I feel like I have this shmata business kind of running through my veins. I can sell anything, and I definitely could sell a waterbed.

I don't think I could.

I don't think I could.

Really sell a waterbed. I'll sell you a waterbed. Go ahead, do you want to lay in some liquid luxury the motion of the ocean. I have motion sickness, so that this is not for you. Actually, I'll sell you a bean bag check.

Really sell a waterbed. I'll sell you a waterbed. Go ahead, do you want to lay in some liquid luxury the motion of the ocean. I have motion sickness, so that this is not for you. Actually, I'll sell you a bean bag check.

You know you could sell me what tramamine.

You know you could sell me what tramamine.

I'm done. I can also use some dramamine, but like even other than that, I mean, I think the thing that I love about Alan is which I really do connect with, is that she is incredibly protective of the people that she loves. She'll go to the ends of the earth for anyone that she loves and anyone that's on her team. And I feel very much so the same way.

I'm done. I can also use some dramamine, but like even other than that, I mean, I think the thing that I love about Alan is which I really do connect with, is that she is incredibly protective of the people that she loves. She'll go to the ends of the earth for anyone that she loves and anyone that's on her team. And I feel very much so the same way.

Before the break you were talking about your side of this story, the Alta character, But on the other end we have Gary played by Cooper Hoffman. For him, your character represents that first true love or whatever we think love is at that age. And he's fifteen years old, and it makes me think back to you at fifteen years old, where I think you fell in love for the first time. There's a high school house party and growing up, your parents, very respectful, decent people say, wherever you go, you have to bring a gift. Yes, And so to a high schooler's house party you bring.

Before the break you were talking about your side of this story, the Alta character, But on the other end we have Gary played by Cooper Hoffman. For him, your character represents that first true love or whatever we think love is at that age. And he's fifteen years old, and it makes me think back to you at fifteen years old, where I think you fell in love for the first time. There's a high school house party and growing up, your parents, very respectful, decent people say, wherever you go, you have to bring a gift. Yes, And so to a high schooler's house party you bring.

I bring a cake. How embarrassing is that? See? Now, do you understand what I say? Like I still feel like I'm in seventh grade because I was fifteen, so I was two years out of you know, I was. I was a sophomore in high school.

I bring a cake. How embarrassing is that? See? Now, do you understand what I say? Like I still feel like I'm in seventh grade because I was fifteen, so I was two years out of you know, I was. I was a sophomore in high school.

And the same age is Gary, and the same.

And the same age is Gary, and the same.

Age as Gary, and I'm thinking, Okay, it's my first high school party. Like imagine me getting ready for my first high school party. I'm like putting my makeup on, I'm picking out an out and I go, oh my god, I don't have a gift to bring to this high school party. I must make a baked good because that is as good. That's like my version of bringing a bottle of wine when I'm like older.

Age as Gary, and I'm thinking, Okay, it's my first high school party. Like imagine me getting ready for my first high school party. I'm like putting my makeup on, I'm picking out an out and I go, oh my god, I don't have a gift to bring to this high school party. I must make a baked good because that is as good. That's like my version of bringing a bottle of wine when I'm like older.

Some people are worried about outfits. You were worried about postries.

Some people are worried about outfits. You were worried about postries.

I was like worried about like how embarrassing is it going to be that everyone is going to bring a gift and I'm the one that's going to be the asshole that doesn't bring a gift. Like the host will look at me and just be like, how dare you step into this house where I have offered drinks and fun and you bring me nothing? You are empty handed? How dare you? And So I made a cake with frosting, literally box cake frosted, it sprinkles, bring it to this high school party, and of course, you know, it's not a shocker that everyone was like, why did you bring this cake? Again? I did not go out very much. This is making me sound so insanely crazy, but I was very proud of this cake to the point where I needed to serve this cake to the partygoers that were probably stoned and drunk. But I never partook in that. I was like, I have this cake so oblivious to everything going on around me, and I served a piece of the cake to my first boyfriend.

I was like worried about like how embarrassing is it going to be that everyone is going to bring a gift and I'm the one that's going to be the asshole that doesn't bring a gift. Like the host will look at me and just be like, how dare you step into this house where I have offered drinks and fun and you bring me nothing? You are empty handed? How dare you? And So I made a cake with frosting, literally box cake frosted, it sprinkles, bring it to this high school party, and of course, you know, it's not a shocker that everyone was like, why did you bring this cake? Again? I did not go out very much. This is making me sound so insanely crazy, but I was very proud of this cake to the point where I needed to serve this cake to the partygoers that were probably stoned and drunk. But I never partook in that. I was like, I have this cake so oblivious to everything going on around me, and I served a piece of the cake to my first boyfriend.

The only person that's really interested in the cake is Sam. I'll say the same as Sam, Same Sam.

The only person that's really interested in the cake is Sam. I'll say the same as Sam, Same Sam.

His name is Sam.

His name is Sam.

I didn't know that part that was not planned.

I didn't know that part that was not planned.

It was not planned. I wasn't gonna say it, but then I felt like it was fitting.

It was not planned. I wasn't gonna say it, but then I felt like it was fitting.

But this experience of falling in love at fifteen, I want to sit with this because that's happening in this movie. It's literally set in the valley where you also grew up. What is that like as the past kind of converges with this fictional world of a movie.

But this experience of falling in love at fifteen, I want to sit with this because that's happening in this movie. It's literally set in the valley where you also grew up. What is that like as the past kind of converges with this fictional world of a movie.

I mean, I think the thing that is so crazy is like watching the movie as a whole now, because while you're making we were shooting on film, there's you know, there was not a lot of instances where I could see what we had done, you know, played back to me. It's very hard to do that, or at least that's what Paul told me, and I never asked. It seems very hard to play back of something film, you know, And so I didn't really know like we would be shooting this. I obviously knew the succession of the film, and I knew, you know, where what parts went where, But when you actually see it for the first time, I mean, I've thought about, Sam, what.

I mean, I think the thing that is so crazy is like watching the movie as a whole now, because while you're making we were shooting on film, there's you know, there was not a lot of instances where I could see what we had done, you know, played back to me. It's very hard to do that, or at least that's what Paul told me, and I never asked. It seems very hard to play back of something film, you know, And so I didn't really know like we would be shooting this. I obviously knew the succession of the film, and I knew, you know, where what parts went where, But when you actually see it for the first time, I mean, I've thought about, Sam, what.

Did you think?

Did you think?

I think it's such so crazy to think about a love that you had when you had no walls, and it only happens once in your life. I truly believe that it only happens once in my life, once in anyone's life, because it's the first time. It's the first cut, The first cut is the deepest. Obviously the song was right, but you think about this kind of love that's like that has no walls. You're falling down a rabbit hole that has you know, you feel like you're drowning and you have no air and you feel like it's gonna last forever.

I think it's such so crazy to think about a love that you had when you had no walls, and it only happens once in your life. I truly believe that it only happens once in my life, once in anyone's life, because it's the first time. It's the first cut, The first cut is the deepest. Obviously the song was right, but you think about this kind of love that's like that has no walls. You're falling down a rabbit hole that has you know, you feel like you're drowning and you have no air and you feel like it's gonna last forever.

And I did.

And I did.

And just so everybody knows, this is even gonna make me sound even crazier and I'm getting so fucking real with you right now. That relationship lasted three months. Three months, that was it. It wasn't even like I said I love you, because we never even said I love you to each other. But it was the first time I had ever looked at someone and said I like you and then they said back, I like you too. And it was the craziest feeling. It felt like fireworks going off in your body. You're like, I had only said I like you to a handful of people before that, and there was never a oh, I like you too. It was oh hmm, well, uh okay, interesting, Uh yeah, I'm gonna go to the bathroom really quick. Like it was very much like that. And so even having that happened for the first time, I mean, it's crazy. It's a crazy feeling. And I mean, at least for me, you can only go through it once and it never happens again. You don't know, I don't know. I don't know. I mean I haven't I haven't since. And also this is embarrassing, like me and Sam are actually friends, actually very close friends. Now he's going to be very embarrassed if he ever listens to this. But I love him. I think he's great and he's a great friend now. But when I think about that time in my life when I was so young and had no walls, it was it was a very cherished time.

And just so everybody knows, this is even gonna make me sound even crazier and I'm getting so fucking real with you right now. That relationship lasted three months. Three months, that was it. It wasn't even like I said I love you, because we never even said I love you to each other. But it was the first time I had ever looked at someone and said I like you and then they said back, I like you too. And it was the craziest feeling. It felt like fireworks going off in your body. You're like, I had only said I like you to a handful of people before that, and there was never a oh, I like you too. It was oh hmm, well, uh okay, interesting, Uh yeah, I'm gonna go to the bathroom really quick. Like it was very much like that. And so even having that happened for the first time, I mean, it's crazy. It's a crazy feeling. And I mean, at least for me, you can only go through it once and it never happens again. You don't know, I don't know. I don't know. I mean I haven't I haven't since. And also this is embarrassing, like me and Sam are actually friends, actually very close friends. Now he's going to be very embarrassed if he ever listens to this. But I love him. I think he's great and he's a great friend now. But when I think about that time in my life when I was so young and had no walls, it was it was a very cherished time.

I do think the joy of the movie is that it does capture that boundless feeling where two people don't know any better except your character kind of does know because she's older. Gary at fifteen like you at fifteen, they're just winging it. Well.

I do think the joy of the movie is that it does capture that boundless feeling where two people don't know any better except your character kind of does know because she's older. Gary at fifteen like you at fifteen, they're just winging it. Well.

I think the thing that's really important with the Gary and a Lot of relationship is it's not really a lot about this crazy love connection. I think it's more about like the universe. This is how I look at it. I mean, even talking about how I met Paul, the crazy story that I just talked about, I mean I have a crazier story meeting Cooper, which I will divulge right now. Meeting Cooper was insane because me and my siblings were doing music videos for a second album, and we had to do a music video for a Little of Your Love, and of course in true high and fashion, we had no time, we had like put it off on the back burner, and also we had asked Paul and he was like, I'm in I'm in editing for Phantom Thread, Like please, I need to just do my thing. And finally I got to the point where we hadn't I mean, we were freaking out and we had tried to shoot a music video and it didn't work out. And finally we just texted Paul with our table between our legs, being like please, like begging him, like please, can you just do this music video? Like we're lost? And he was like okay, fine, like come to the editing house and we'll figure it out. And so we went to the Phantoms Threat editing house, which was in the valley. Of course. I walked in the door and there was Paul and his editor Andy and this very large chair and a young man sitting in the chair and it was Cooper, but I didn't know that yet. I was just like, who's this kid? And Paul had gotten you know, he had to go do something, but he had Cooper with him. But Cooper was hungry, and Paul said, you know, can you just standle Cooper? Can you just get him something to eat. I was like sure, and it was me Si and Danielle were like, what do like I think he was thirteen or fourteen at the time. We're like, what do thirteen or fourteen year olds like? What are they like to eat? Like? We were like down the street from the original Kidsuya in the Valley and we were like sure, we just staying against some sushi and we like sat down and I remember Coop. He's gonna kill me for saying this, but I remember Cooper had like a retainer and he like took out his retainer and it was like and you're like put it down on this like napkin, just disgusting. And the second that that retainer was out, it was like, so what are we having? You want? You want some coke? Should we order some coas? Do you want some sushi? What do you like? So she mean do you like? Nagary is just like going through like like Gary very Gary Valentine, And I was like what. I was like, who is this kid? He's looking us all in the eye asking his question, So you know, do you what do you like to do when your day's like things like that just like insanity and I remembered that dinner so vividly. I mean, I this was years before we had even thought of liquerge pizza. And so when we were casting for Gary, because Paul had asked me to, you know, do this movie and we needed to find a Gary, I had auditioned with so many Gary's at that point, Like there was so many Gary's that, you know, obviously were actors, real actors, like real kid actors that had an IMDb page, like full credits beyond like way beyond me. I mean I had never been in anything, so like one credit was more credits than me. But I know, no, it's truly literally, like the only thing I had to my name was music videos, and I remember just wanting this overwhelming feeling of like, oh you're you're my Gary, and I never got it with all these other people. And then all of a sudden one day, Paul kind of turned to me and said, you know, like what about Cooper And the fact that he could say Cooper's name and me know exactly who it was. I mean we only had met once. Basically I immediately had this like burst of like oh yes, Cooper, this is yes Cooper. And we flew to New York we read with Cooper, I got that overwhelming feeling and the thing that I always go about, which I've been thinking a lot about too, especially since me and Paul have such a crazy, you know, universal thing where it felt like we were like kind of orbiting around each other but not colliding, and then finally we did. It kind of felt that way with Cooper too, where it was like at that point, if we had never shown up to this phantom thread editing house, if Paul didn't get the call that he had to leave, if Paul didn't ask us to grab cooper food, like all these things that were like, if that day just never happened, I would have never met Cooper, and I honestly don't feel like Vicker's pizza would have ever been made. And that's what I think that's so important about Gary and Alana. Like they meet at Gary's school. She's working for this dick that's a fucking photographer that like slabs around the ash. She's obviously does not like this job, and she meets this guy and she doesn't know it yet, but you know it by the end of the movie. Like you meet so many people in this world and you never know who's gonna stick with you, and that was their Like, Oh, they didn't know that their lives were gonna get changed, but their lives were changed. They're these like two magnets that like refuse. Every time you try to pull them apart, the universe just pulls them back together.

I think the thing that's really important with the Gary and a Lot of relationship is it's not really a lot about this crazy love connection. I think it's more about like the universe. This is how I look at it. I mean, even talking about how I met Paul, the crazy story that I just talked about, I mean I have a crazier story meeting Cooper, which I will divulge right now. Meeting Cooper was insane because me and my siblings were doing music videos for a second album, and we had to do a music video for a Little of Your Love, and of course in true high and fashion, we had no time, we had like put it off on the back burner, and also we had asked Paul and he was like, I'm in I'm in editing for Phantom Thread, Like please, I need to just do my thing. And finally I got to the point where we hadn't I mean, we were freaking out and we had tried to shoot a music video and it didn't work out. And finally we just texted Paul with our table between our legs, being like please, like begging him, like please, can you just do this music video? Like we're lost? And he was like okay, fine, like come to the editing house and we'll figure it out. And so we went to the Phantoms Threat editing house, which was in the valley. Of course. I walked in the door and there was Paul and his editor Andy and this very large chair and a young man sitting in the chair and it was Cooper, but I didn't know that yet. I was just like, who's this kid? And Paul had gotten you know, he had to go do something, but he had Cooper with him. But Cooper was hungry, and Paul said, you know, can you just standle Cooper? Can you just get him something to eat. I was like sure, and it was me Si and Danielle were like, what do like I think he was thirteen or fourteen at the time. We're like, what do thirteen or fourteen year olds like? What are they like to eat? Like? We were like down the street from the original Kidsuya in the Valley and we were like sure, we just staying against some sushi and we like sat down and I remember Coop. He's gonna kill me for saying this, but I remember Cooper had like a retainer and he like took out his retainer and it was like and you're like put it down on this like napkin, just disgusting. And the second that that retainer was out, it was like, so what are we having? You want? You want some coke? Should we order some coas? Do you want some sushi? What do you like? So she mean do you like? Nagary is just like going through like like Gary very Gary Valentine, And I was like what. I was like, who is this kid? He's looking us all in the eye asking his question, So you know, do you what do you like to do when your day's like things like that just like insanity and I remembered that dinner so vividly. I mean, I this was years before we had even thought of liquerge pizza. And so when we were casting for Gary, because Paul had asked me to, you know, do this movie and we needed to find a Gary, I had auditioned with so many Gary's at that point, Like there was so many Gary's that, you know, obviously were actors, real actors, like real kid actors that had an IMDb page, like full credits beyond like way beyond me. I mean I had never been in anything, so like one credit was more credits than me. But I know, no, it's truly literally, like the only thing I had to my name was music videos, and I remember just wanting this overwhelming feeling of like, oh you're you're my Gary, and I never got it with all these other people. And then all of a sudden one day, Paul kind of turned to me and said, you know, like what about Cooper And the fact that he could say Cooper's name and me know exactly who it was. I mean we only had met once. Basically I immediately had this like burst of like oh yes, Cooper, this is yes Cooper. And we flew to New York we read with Cooper, I got that overwhelming feeling and the thing that I always go about, which I've been thinking a lot about too, especially since me and Paul have such a crazy, you know, universal thing where it felt like we were like kind of orbiting around each other but not colliding, and then finally we did. It kind of felt that way with Cooper too, where it was like at that point, if we had never shown up to this phantom thread editing house, if Paul didn't get the call that he had to leave, if Paul didn't ask us to grab cooper food, like all these things that were like, if that day just never happened, I would have never met Cooper, and I honestly don't feel like Vicker's pizza would have ever been made. And that's what I think that's so important about Gary and Alana. Like they meet at Gary's school. She's working for this dick that's a fucking photographer that like slabs around the ash. She's obviously does not like this job, and she meets this guy and she doesn't know it yet, but you know it by the end of the movie. Like you meet so many people in this world and you never know who's gonna stick with you, and that was their Like, Oh, they didn't know that their lives were gonna get changed, but their lives were changed. They're these like two magnets that like refuse. Every time you try to pull them apart, the universe just pulls them back together.

It's like the making of the movie and then the story of the movie are cosmically aligned about the same idea, which is your life can change an instant one hundred percent.

It's like the making of the movie and then the story of the movie are cosmically aligned about the same idea, which is your life can change an instant one hundred percent.

When I think back on my life and I think about the people that changed my life, you never know until like way later, it makes me very emotional. It's a crazy scenario.

When I think back on my life and I think about the people that changed my life, you never know until like way later, it makes me very emotional. It's a crazy scenario.

Why emotional.

Why emotional.

It just makes me emotional in this sense, like how rich my life is with such amazing people, Like I'm so grateful to meet someone like Paul and to meet Cooper, Like, look at this thing that we made that we're so proud of, and it's all because of like these weird cosmic instances that brought us together. Like it feels like a movie in itself, the way that we've all met. And it makes me emotional because I'm just so happy that I have these two people in my life and also my family feels the same way. Even the people that are involved in the movie. I mean, Cooper's whole family is in the movie, Paul's whole family is in the movie. My whole family is in the movie, and like, we all kind of joined in as this nuclear family for this whole process and it's amazing.

It just makes me emotional in this sense, like how rich my life is with such amazing people, Like I'm so grateful to meet someone like Paul and to meet Cooper, Like, look at this thing that we made that we're so proud of, and it's all because of like these weird cosmic instances that brought us together. Like it feels like a movie in itself, the way that we've all met. And it makes me emotional because I'm just so happy that I have these two people in my life and also my family feels the same way. Even the people that are involved in the movie. I mean, Cooper's whole family is in the movie, Paul's whole family is in the movie. My whole family is in the movie, and like, we all kind of joined in as this nuclear family for this whole process and it's amazing.

Well, why don't we sit with a scene from the movie for a second. This is between you and Cooper Hoffman as his character Gary believes he's on a first date. What are your plans? I don't know what your future look like.

Well, why don't we sit with a scene from the movie for a second. This is between you and Cooper Hoffman as his character Gary believes he's on a first date. What are your plans? I don't know what your future look like.

I don't know.

I don't know.

How do you like working at tiny toes?

How do you like working at tiny toes?

I hate working at tiny toes?

I hate working at tiny toes?

You should start your own business.

You should start your own business.

What business should I be in?

What business should I be in?

I don't know what do you like?

I don't know what do you like?

I don't know.

I don't know.

You're an actress. You should be an actress.

You're an actress. You should be an actress.

So how'd you become such a hot shot actor.

So how'd you become such a hot shot actor.

I'm a showman. It's my calling. I don't know how to do anything else. That's what I'm meant to do. I mean, ever since I was a kid, I've been a song and.

I'm a showman. It's my calling. I don't know how to do anything else. That's what I'm meant to do. I mean, ever since I was a kid, I've been a song and.

Dance ever since you were a kid song and dance man. Where are your parents?

Dance ever since you were a kid song and dance man. Where are your parents?

My mom works for me?

My mom works for me?

Oh, of course she does.

Oh, of course she does.

She does in my public relations company and.

She does in my public relations company and.

Your public relations company because you have that. Yes, and you're an actor. Yes, and you're a secret agent too.

Your public relations company because you have that. Yes, and you're an actor. Yes, and you're a secret agent too.

Well, no, I'm not a secret agent. That's funny. That was a clip from Licorice Pizza, directed by Paul Thomas Anderson. We've been talking about all the ways in which you Alana and then the character Alana are similar, But in thinking about that scene, the one place where you to diverge is that from an early age you had some idea of what you wanted to do. You and your sisters created him in two thousand and seven. You're fifteen sixteen at the time.

Well, no, I'm not a secret agent. That's funny. That was a clip from Licorice Pizza, directed by Paul Thomas Anderson. We've been talking about all the ways in which you Alana and then the character Alana are similar, But in thinking about that scene, the one place where you to diverge is that from an early age you had some idea of what you wanted to do. You and your sisters created him in two thousand and seven. You're fifteen sixteen at the time.

I think, yeah, I was sixteen.

I think, yeah, I was sixteen.

Five years later, in twenty twelve, you three are touring around the world and after one particular show in New York, you do this interview and there's this quote that I wanted to sit with.

Five years later, in twenty twelve, you three are touring around the world and after one particular show in New York, you do this interview and there's this quote that I wanted to sit with.

Oh God, I'd scared. What did I say?

Oh God, I'd scared. What did I say?

The fact that huge bands like this invited us to perform with them is the biggest compliment we could get. It's still hard for me to believe because when we're touring, we're always on to the next show. But sometimes I stopped to think about it for a moment and say to myself. God forbid, kids my age are still in college thinking about what they want to do in life, while I'm twenty one. I'm playing with Florence the Machine and Mumford and sons.

The fact that huge bands like this invited us to perform with them is the biggest compliment we could get. It's still hard for me to believe because when we're touring, we're always on to the next show. But sometimes I stopped to think about it for a moment and say to myself. God forbid, kids my age are still in college thinking about what they want to do in life, while I'm twenty one. I'm playing with Florence the Machine and Mumford and sons.

I said that, I mean, it's true. I mean, I'm not gonna lie to you. When Hi Am started, it wasn't like a very easy like, oh, you know, we started this band and it was a montage plays of like all the cities and crowds, and you know, it's like it's not an almost famous like montage. Oh I haven't actually seen the kream of, but I'll take your word for it. But yeah, no, it definitely wasn't like that. I mean, there was like a point where my parents sat me down. It was right before I was about to graduate high school. They were like, what are you doing? Danielle was already off playing with bands as he was in college, as he was at UCLA. I didn't get good enough grades to go to college, and I really just shit the bed on that one. Unfortunately. I wish, you know, I wish I was smarter in high school and really paid attention, but I just couldn't. And they asked like, what are you gonna do, and I was like, I want to be in higham. This shocked face that they had of like they really wanted me to know, like just so you know, like yeah, you want to be in HIGHAM. I might not happen. And it's just like that weird thing when you're like younger and you have this like blind optimism, like I want to be in high and you're like, uh, my parents were like, yeah, no, open your eyes a little bit. And so I actually at that point really didn't know what I was going to do graduating high school, and I think after that, you know, I went to Valley College, of course, and I worked at Crossroads Trading Company. I was also a nanny, you know. I just like kind of did my thing for a while until Danielle came home and that's when we really focused on him. But even then, so at that point then we actually played for like another five years. No one wanted to sign us in America. We were told crazy things like you guys should dress up like school girls, like you should have like a shtick, like the amount of crazy shit people used to tell us like when we were coming up, which was terrifying to be like, no, we don't want to have a shtick thing. We just are very adamant about having our own path and we just kind of stuck to it and we went to south By Southwest. We were like one of those bands went to south By Southwest and we started out playing to like one person and then I think we played three shows a day for a week, and by the end of that week there was a line around the corner. And like even after that, we were like, oh my god, this is crazy. We're doing it, and still no one wanted to sign us. Still, like we had heard that our song was being played on the radio in the UK, and then we were like, well, why don't we just go to the UK? And so we basically moved to the UK for a couple of years and just toward the UK and Europe nine times and then put out a record.

I said that, I mean, it's true. I mean, I'm not gonna lie to you. When Hi Am started, it wasn't like a very easy like, oh, you know, we started this band and it was a montage plays of like all the cities and crowds, and you know, it's like it's not an almost famous like montage. Oh I haven't actually seen the kream of, but I'll take your word for it. But yeah, no, it definitely wasn't like that. I mean, there was like a point where my parents sat me down. It was right before I was about to graduate high school. They were like, what are you doing? Danielle was already off playing with bands as he was in college, as he was at UCLA. I didn't get good enough grades to go to college, and I really just shit the bed on that one. Unfortunately. I wish, you know, I wish I was smarter in high school and really paid attention, but I just couldn't. And they asked like, what are you gonna do, and I was like, I want to be in higham. This shocked face that they had of like they really wanted me to know, like just so you know, like yeah, you want to be in HIGHAM. I might not happen. And it's just like that weird thing when you're like younger and you have this like blind optimism, like I want to be in high and you're like, uh, my parents were like, yeah, no, open your eyes a little bit. And so I actually at that point really didn't know what I was going to do graduating high school, and I think after that, you know, I went to Valley College, of course, and I worked at Crossroads Trading Company. I was also a nanny, you know. I just like kind of did my thing for a while until Danielle came home and that's when we really focused on him. But even then, so at that point then we actually played for like another five years. No one wanted to sign us in America. We were told crazy things like you guys should dress up like school girls, like you should have like a shtick, like the amount of crazy shit people used to tell us like when we were coming up, which was terrifying to be like, no, we don't want to have a shtick thing. We just are very adamant about having our own path and we just kind of stuck to it and we went to south By Southwest. We were like one of those bands went to south By Southwest and we started out playing to like one person and then I think we played three shows a day for a week, and by the end of that week there was a line around the corner. And like even after that, we were like, oh my god, this is crazy. We're doing it, and still no one wanted to sign us. Still, like we had heard that our song was being played on the radio in the UK, and then we were like, well, why don't we just go to the UK? And so we basically moved to the UK for a couple of years and just toward the UK and Europe nine times and then put out a record.

Do you remember the moment when your parents said to you, I think this is gonna work.

Do you remember the moment when your parents said to you, I think this is gonna work.

They were definitely skeptical. I mean, I think when we were on SNL for the first time, that was a huge deal. Oh you know, I've never watched it. Cry I've never watched it. Way too nervous to watch it.

They were definitely skeptical. I mean, I think when we were on SNL for the first time, that was a huge deal. Oh you know, I've never watched it. Cry I've never watched it. Way too nervous to watch it.

Why this is I am performing? Don't save me on SNL.

Why this is I am performing? Don't save me on SNL.

Give it. Yeah, that's so funny. I've never seen that before. I've always been too nervous. And you know what, I was probably.

Give it. Yeah, that's so funny. I've never seen that before. I've always been too nervous. And you know what, I was probably.

Right, even though you say you're nervous. You looked a little nervous there. But I've seen you perform before. You know how you were talking about anytime you go to a party, you have the confidence of a seventh grader. Yes, when you're performing, does that change? Oh?

Right, even though you say you're nervous. You looked a little nervous there. But I've seen you perform before. You know how you were talking about anytime you go to a party, you have the confidence of a seventh grader. Yes, when you're performing, does that change? Oh?

Yeah, I mean not on live television obviously is what we just hear. Live television is different, but no, Like I mean, playing live is my favorite part of being in a band. When there's not a camera on me, it's the most free that I've ever been in my life. That's like where I'm most confident. But I think it just has to do with like the reaction that you get from like a crowd. It's very new, Like playing a big crowds is new er.

Yeah, I mean not on live television obviously is what we just hear. Live television is different, but no, Like I mean, playing live is my favorite part of being in a band. When there's not a camera on me, it's the most free that I've ever been in my life. That's like where I'm most confident. But I think it just has to do with like the reaction that you get from like a crowd. It's very new, Like playing a big crowds is new er.

Do you know it? In the moment when you're performing, can you feel like a different version of yourself?

Do you know it? In the moment when you're performing, can you feel like a different version of yourself?

One hundred And it's like an addicting feeling being on stage. And I feel like any person that you talked, I mean, at least for me, maybe people don't like touring, but for the people that do like touring, it is like an addicting feeling being on stage because you get such a rush and there's so much energy, to the point where like when I step off stage, like I'm drenched in sweat, and I also like have zero energy. I don't know how the rock stars of the eighties were throwing TVs. I mean it's probably drugs, but I don't know how. After a show, for me, I'm like, I have maybe ten steps in me before I need to just be into bed and passed out because the anticipation of being on stage, even like is crazy. It's the hardest parts. Funny enough, five minutes before show, I always go through the same ritual of like I have the most anxiety, and it's like the time where like I talk myself out of everything where I'm like, why do I do this to myself? Like this is so terrible, Like what I'm so nervous, just telling myself the worst things, just being like you're terrible, this sucks. I'm so scared. Why how do I do this? Like how am I gonna step on stage? How am I going to do this? And then the second that I said once, age is like the Lion, the Witch, and the wardrobe. You're stepping through the wardrobe and you're a completely different person.

One hundred And it's like an addicting feeling being on stage. And I feel like any person that you talked, I mean, at least for me, maybe people don't like touring, but for the people that do like touring, it is like an addicting feeling being on stage because you get such a rush and there's so much energy, to the point where like when I step off stage, like I'm drenched in sweat, and I also like have zero energy. I don't know how the rock stars of the eighties were throwing TVs. I mean it's probably drugs, but I don't know how. After a show, for me, I'm like, I have maybe ten steps in me before I need to just be into bed and passed out because the anticipation of being on stage, even like is crazy. It's the hardest parts. Funny enough, five minutes before show, I always go through the same ritual of like I have the most anxiety, and it's like the time where like I talk myself out of everything where I'm like, why do I do this to myself? Like this is so terrible, Like what I'm so nervous, just telling myself the worst things, just being like you're terrible, this sucks. I'm so scared. Why how do I do this? Like how am I gonna step on stage? How am I going to do this? And then the second that I said once, age is like the Lion, the Witch, and the wardrobe. You're stepping through the wardrobe and you're a completely different person.

So some part of the art helps you transcend past your own limitations.

So some part of the art helps you transcend past your own limitations.

Yeah, totally. Like it's weird stepping on stage and having this weird wave of calm when five minutes before you're like having a full blown panic attack.

Yeah, totally. Like it's weird stepping on stage and having this weird wave of calm when five minutes before you're like having a full blown panic attack.

But didn't you have a similar experience on your first day of shooting Licorice Pizza.

But didn't you have a similar experience on your first day of shooting Licorice Pizza.

Oh my gosh, that was the craziest day. I mean, our first day of filming was with John Peters played by Bradley Cooper. The first time I saw Bradley Cooper was the first time I heard action, and we like showed up to set. It was me and Coop his like band of guys that were his friends, and it felt like there was pure chaos. It kind of felt like I like turned my head and I turned back and everyone was gone. All our group of kids looked around, like what's going on? And then all of a sudden, you just hear action and Bradley Cooper's walking out in his costume and you're just like, oh shit. And then we were off to the races and it was like you either sink or you swim. And the first take I just saw the water. I just fully drowning. You know, Luckily with movies that I love is you can do as many takes as you know the director wants, which is great. I mean with music, if you fuck up, you gotta keep going, and you know you gotta wait for the next show.

Oh my gosh, that was the craziest day. I mean, our first day of filming was with John Peters played by Bradley Cooper. The first time I saw Bradley Cooper was the first time I heard action, and we like showed up to set. It was me and Coop his like band of guys that were his friends, and it felt like there was pure chaos. It kind of felt like I like turned my head and I turned back and everyone was gone. All our group of kids looked around, like what's going on? And then all of a sudden, you just hear action and Bradley Cooper's walking out in his costume and you're just like, oh shit. And then we were off to the races and it was like you either sink or you swim. And the first take I just saw the water. I just fully drowning. You know, Luckily with movies that I love is you can do as many takes as you know the director wants, which is great. I mean with music, if you fuck up, you gotta keep going, and you know you gotta wait for the next show.

In a recent interview, you said I had to drive a U haul backwards down along street. You alta probably wouldn't normally be able to do that.

In a recent interview, you said I had to drive a U haul backwards down along street. You alta probably wouldn't normally be able to do that.

No, we got through day one and I was like, okay, and now it's my turn. And I'm sitting in this seventies U haul. Cooper is in the middle, Bradley Cooper is on the far right, and we have a film camera strapped to my side of the door. We have really heavy, big lights strapped to the front of the truck. I hardly could see. But of course I've got into this zone of I can do this, because Paul, of course gave me like a pet talk and was like, you can do that. If Paul thinks I can do this, I think I can do this. And we drove through you know, the hills of Tarzana and it was so terrifying. The thing is like you go through it once and you're like, oh, I made it, and it's like, all right, let's turn it around, let's do it again, and like I did it all night. But by the time, you know, Cooper talks about it all the time, we're like in the beginning, I was like shaking it. And by the end of it, I had like a walkie talkie and I was like, Gabby, Oh, we're in first, We're ready to go, break is off. Here we go and waiting for action. Fully just went for it. I was very comfortable by the end of it.

No, we got through day one and I was like, okay, and now it's my turn. And I'm sitting in this seventies U haul. Cooper is in the middle, Bradley Cooper is on the far right, and we have a film camera strapped to my side of the door. We have really heavy, big lights strapped to the front of the truck. I hardly could see. But of course I've got into this zone of I can do this, because Paul, of course gave me like a pet talk and was like, you can do that. If Paul thinks I can do this, I think I can do this. And we drove through you know, the hills of Tarzana and it was so terrifying. The thing is like you go through it once and you're like, oh, I made it, and it's like, all right, let's turn it around, let's do it again, and like I did it all night. But by the time, you know, Cooper talks about it all the time, we're like in the beginning, I was like shaking it. And by the end of it, I had like a walkie talkie and I was like, Gabby, Oh, we're in first, We're ready to go, break is off. Here we go and waiting for action. Fully just went for it. I was very comfortable by the end of it.

You made it to the other side of this movie. I did, and it was scary and daunting, and also, I know, the first experience you didn't have your sisters for most of it. Yeah, how do you feel on the other side of something like this?

You made it to the other side of this movie. I did, and it was scary and daunting, and also, I know, the first experience you didn't have your sisters for most of it. Yeah, how do you feel on the other side of something like this?

You know, for the first time, I feel older, which is a weird feeling. I mean, I've been the baby of my family for a very long time, and whenever I'm with my sisters, I'm the baby the family, so I kind of feel like this scrappy, younger sister. I mean, I'm affectionately called baby High and that's my nickname. And throughout this process, I feel like I have this new dictionary of life experiences. It feels like an inside out when like a new land opens up in the girl's brain and there's a new set of emotions. And that's kind of how I feel after doing this movie. They still have the confidence of the seventh grader, but I have a little bit more confidence about, you know, doing things on my own.

You know, for the first time, I feel older, which is a weird feeling. I mean, I've been the baby of my family for a very long time, and whenever I'm with my sisters, I'm the baby the family, so I kind of feel like this scrappy, younger sister. I mean, I'm affectionately called baby High and that's my nickname. And throughout this process, I feel like I have this new dictionary of life experiences. It feels like an inside out when like a new land opens up in the girl's brain and there's a new set of emotions. And that's kind of how I feel after doing this movie. They still have the confidence of the seventh grader, but I have a little bit more confidence about, you know, doing things on my own.

And how does that feel?

And how does that feel?

To go back to my point about seventh grade? So nice to know that, like you can grow older, but you know, you still feel like you're thirteen.

To go back to my point about seventh grade? So nice to know that, like you can grow older, but you know, you still feel like you're thirteen.

Young at heart, young yet heart. Next year you go back to your day job of I do touring.

Young at heart, young yet heart. Next year you go back to your day job of I do touring.

It's weird to talk about it, like as it's like my day job, like as if it's like back to the day job. Like no, I'm like so excited. I love being in high I love playing shows. I know I'm very lucky. I'm a very lucky girl. It's not lost on me, believe me.

It's weird to talk about it, like as it's like my day job, like as if it's like back to the day job. Like no, I'm like so excited. I love being in high I love playing shows. I know I'm very lucky. I'm a very lucky girl. It's not lost on me, believe me.

Since many people haven't gone back to common yet.

Since many people haven't gone back to common yet.

I know, knock on wood please, I really need to go on tour. I miss it so much.

I know, knock on wood please, I really need to go on tour. I miss it so much.

This record, Women and Music Part three you said we made this record to be played live. That was our mission statement for the whole album. What song from there are you most excited to play?

This record, Women and Music Part three you said we made this record to be played live. That was our mission statement for the whole album. What song from there are you most excited to play?

Selfishly, it's kind of basic because it's like one of the singles. But the last couple shows that we've done, we've played a couple shows and we opened the show with the steps and the energy of just hearing three Snare hits like Brah Brah Brah. It reminded me of why I love doing this. I remember looking at my sister thinking about those like life moments where you're looking around and you're like, how the fuck did we get here? Hearing those three snare hits it's so simple, and watching my middle sister play the drums, we were all kind of like looking at each other and asking each other like, how the fuck did we fucking get here? Our life could have taken so many different turns. Danielle could have just kept going on and being a Tory musician, as he could have gone on and done. You know, she was at u c LA. She could have done whatever the fuck she wanted. I was kind of confused. I didn't know what I was. That was a nanny. I was doing Comcast jingles. Who would have known and and it really is not lost on me. I mean we we say that sentence every show. We're like, damn, I can't believe it. It's unbelievable.