Talk About That

"Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate." - Carl Jung. Self-awareness is a double-edged sword. Too much of it and you can become an introspective navel gazer. But at the same time, as John Calvin said, "without knowledge of self, there is no knowledge of God." In this episode, John and Jonnie talk about what healthy self-awareness looks like versus unhealthy navel-gazing. While we aren’t able to control everything that happens to us, we are given some agency in some aspects of life - and good therapy and healthy self-awareness can help us see the difference. And this isn’t just humanism - understanding yourself is part of understanding the gospel.  Plus, John gets a fancy new watch and helps Jonnie confront a scammer on the phone. Meanwhile, Jonnie writes a new jingle for a prescription drug and takes credit for a friend's Grammy nomination. John mentions: More Than Your Number: A Christ-Centered Enneagram Approach to Becoming AWARE of Your Internal World  Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Duvets: "For people who love their comforter, but only if it's wadded up inside of another comforter." FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

"He who fears he shall suffer, already suffers what he fears." - Michel de Montaigne. This guy said that in the 1500s… so anxiety has been around for a while. In this episode of Talk About That, we talk about fear and worry - is there a way to get better at worry? Can we worry less in 2025? Is that a resolution we can keep? Listen in to our conversation about gratitude and actively looking for the good in the world as an antidote for anxiety.  Plus, John thinks he worries better than you do and finds a magical hat in the strangest place. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an idea to bring folks back to the movie theatre, and tells us how the US almost got a pinstriped flag.  Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Cellphone Flashlights: "If you're over 40, yours is probably on and you don't even know it." FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John can't sleep unless there’s noise and tries to remember math so he can help with his daughter's homework. Meanwhile, Jonnie almost has a heat stroke at a stranger's house in Phoenix and reveals what the "I've fallen and can't get up" lady was paid for her iconic commercial performance. Plus, a conversation about childlike wonder, and fighting the tendency to project our own cynicism onto God. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Carrot Cake: "We found a way to make vegetables 3,000 calories per serving.” FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

The boys are joined by dear friend and documentary producer Alyson Holland to talk about her new project on Ronald Reagan. John forgets what generation he is in and ponders the last time we had Aly as a guest and almost burned their friendship to the ground.  Meanwhile, Jonnie decides he is exactly as famous as he ever wants to be and wonders whether the world’s longest hotdog was even edible.  Plus, a discussion about a timely quote from the late Tim Keller about the gospel. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by To Go Boxes: "Can't finish your meal at the restaurant? Let it rot in your own fridge for a few days!"   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John forgets the lyrics to his own song and reveals his earliest childhood memory. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders "very special episodes" of 80's sitcoms that dealt with heavy issues and tells the tale of the heroic birds who ruined Hitler's Olympic Games in Berlin. Plus, the boys are joined by their good friend, singer/songwriter Caleb Christopher Edwards, to talk about his brand new project "Hoosierman: Volume II" (out now wherever you find your music.) Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Getting All The Grocery Bags Into The House In One Trip: "You did it, and now you can't feel your hands."   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John changes his mind on a cheesy 90's song now that he's a girl dad and ponders whether aliens are real. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals the commercial jingle that makes him homicidal and tells the insane story of the last bareknuckle boxing match. Plus, a conversation about friends, enemies, and the best revenge. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by July: "Water your plants all you want. They're already dead.”   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John plays basketball against some teenagers and finds out that George Lucas was just making Star Wars up as he went along. Meanwhile, Jonnie evicts his uninvited bird guests and complains about fast food prices like an old man shouting at the clouds. Plus, a conversation about why negativity is so easy and why hope takes courage. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Oranges: "Now 100% pulp!”   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John passes a class without ever opening the textbook and ponders whether he used to preach too long. Meanwhile, Jonnie wonders if train travel is really safe and tells the story of a gift from France that came unassembled—and the strange political path it took to become our symbol of freedom. Plus, a conversation about justice, greatness, and the responsibility we have to one another. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Boba Tea: "The most refreshing choking hazard."   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John does the work of 3 grown men and learns why Benjamin Franklin was a lot like Andre the Giant. Meanwhile, Jonnie eats the last ice cream bar while out on tour with another comedian and tells the tale of the Satanic Panic that helped start the Black Plague in the 1200’s.  Plus, a conversation about why it's so hard to make new friends as adults. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Kleptomaniacs: "We take things literally.” FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John avoids flying bread and questions whether the Apostle Paul was easy to get along with. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders his comedy origin story and tells the tale of the unfamous third man to walk on the moon. Plus, a conversation about coincidence, providence, and all the things we thought we wanted, but are glad we didn't get. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Movie Theatres: "Way more expensive than watching at home, but you also get to sit next to loud strangers." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John wants his friends to be honest, even if it hurts—and gets hungry hearing about a tornado in England. Meanwhile, Jonnie learns exactly how many roller coasters it takes to make him nauseous and makes a joke at a "General Baptist" convention. Plus, a conversation about whether compromise is always a bad thing. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Message in a Bottle: "The least reliable way to mail something, and also littering!" FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John is terrified of youth (even though he was a youth pastor) and congratulates Jonnie on his symmetrical face wounds. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals the surprising star who was rejected for the lead role in the original Terminator movie and tells the tale of Fred Turner, the man who walked across America. Plus, a conversation about asking, seeking, and knocking—and why our persistence in prayer sometimes matters more than the prayer itself. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by A Little Something Sweet: “Hating yourself after a salty, fatty meal? It's time for a Little Something Sweet". FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John goes on a fast to get ready for his time on camera and makes a staunch defense of green peppers. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us the harrowing tale of a gnarly scooter crash that temporarily derailed his comedy tour, but might have actually improved his nose. Plus, a conversation about what "good" really means and why God is trustworthy, but not predictable. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Acoustic Guitars: "Ruining bonfire parties since 1850." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

This week, take a walk down memory lane from our October 17, 2024 episode where John gets played by his own dog and ponders a replacement for smart phones. Meanwhile, Jonnie learns about pandas who fake pregnancy and how Abe Lincoln got body-shamed by an 11-year old girl.  Plus, a conversation about forgiveness and grace as a habitual act. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Moving Walkways at the Airport: "We make you feel like you're in a factory that makes lazy people."   FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John makes sermon illustrations about soda and hosts a Santa convention at the church. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells the story of Elmo testifying before Congress and wonders if police dogs know that they're cops. Plus, a conversation about mercy and sin—and why our perspective of how God sees us is so important. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Rainbows: "We just escaped from prism." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John can't find the remote until he finds his glasses and defends his love of McDonald's. Meanwhile, Jonnie feels old after a conversation with a young comedian and tells the story of the time Winnie the Pooh went on trial for assault in the 80’s. Plus, a conversation about the late great author and theologian Brennan Manning and what it means to be a "Ragamuffin.”  Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Black Licorice: "For people who love candy, but hate themselves.” FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John prepares for his "Super Bowl" and adds a middle initial to his books. Meanwhile Jonnie channels his inner Chris Farley for a church skit and tells the tale of the Spaghetti Tree Hoax. Plus, a conversation about love and the gospel—and why how we present it shows whether or not we really have it. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Air Travel: "Soar through the clouds like a bird (but only after you wait in this line for two hours and we rummage through your bags)!"   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John dreams of a month-long train ride and tries not to embarrass himself in front of a Christian music legend. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a flat tire in the weirdest way possible and reveals the strange history of Super Glue. Plus, a conversation about humility and how we are being shaped by the difficulties in our lives. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Best Western Hotels: “If we are the best, can you imagine how bad the worst is?”   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John wishes his girls would get ready faster and writes a children's book about a fish. Meanwhile, Jonnie think March has the most violent holidays, and reveals why he never liked The Power Team.  Plus, a conversation about how we think God sees us and why it really matters. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Android phones: "Turning your text threads green since 2008.”  FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John rents a haunted AirBnB and ponders podcasting from his deathbed. Meanwhile, Jonnie tries to be a better listener and discovers the terrifying reason he likes hotel pillows. Plus, a conversation about what real leadership is… and what it isn't. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Sliced Bread: "It's the best thing since…bread."   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John has no idea how ice hockey works and ponders if a cat could get elected mayor. Meanwhile, Jonnie wonders if a big butt helps you or hurts you with a hula hoop and tells the creepy story of the first chiropractor. Plus, a conversation about oversimplification and why critical thinking is more rare than ever. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Stools: "When you need to sit down, but also want lower back pain."   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John tries to sneak a knife onto a plane and aims fireworks at his friends. Meanwhile, Jonnie meets Tim Tebow and tells the story of the time the Pope influenced an entire generation to sip the "Devils Drink.”  Plus, a conversation about looking for the good in the world and getting more vulnerable with age. Today's Episode is NOT sponsored by Bananas: "Deliciously ripe for exactly fifteen minutes." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

Today on Talk About That, John opts out of the Multiverse and goes full "Analog Dad Mode" on a road trip. Meanwhile, Jonnie can't slow down on skis and tells us about the time a cow was milked in mid-air. Plus, a conversation about healthy boundaries and how most people don't come to God until they come to the end of themselves. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by KitKat: "You don't need a candy bar. You need four tiny candy bars.” FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John learns the difference between further and farther, and tells us "how the sausage is made". Meanwhile, Jonnie visits a town with the strangest monument ever and gets invited to a pro wrestling event in Texas. Plus, a conversation about skepticism, doubt, and the death of expertise. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Low Carb Chocolates: "This Valentine's Day, tell your spouse 'Hey, I know you love chocolate, but I never really cared for you'."   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John preaches in a beanie and finds a luxurious toilet. Meanwhile, Jonnie almost shatters his windshield, and argues against the need for trees. Plus, a conversation about prayer & lamentation and why it's less about changing God's mind and more about changing our mindset about God. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by The Snooze Button: "Go ahead, hit it. You'll have other jobs.”   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John wonders if trees are weaker in the South and prepares for Y2K with his dad. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders getting a taser and thinks Groucho Marx would've loved the new "6-7" craze. Plus, a conversation about the sins that upset humans the most, and whether they are the ones God is focused on. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Spaghetti Sauce: "Staining Your Tupperware Containers Since 1946."   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John has extreme generator FOMO as the big winter storm approaches and hopes his robot bed doesn't become self aware. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets bougie in the movie theater and tells us about the time two nuclear bombs were accidentally dropped on North Carolina. Plus, a conversation about life, death, and the legacy we hope to leave in between. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Snow Skiing: "The most thrilling and expensive way to break your leg.” FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John flies on a private jet and gets ignored by young people. Meanwhile, Jonnie uses two high schoolers as his opening act and invents a historical new drink. Plus, a conversation about Rage Bait and why politics can never bring us true freedom. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Sally's Seashell Shop: "We're right down by the seashore, which in retrospect was a poor choice of location." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John listens to one of his daughter's favorite podcasts and ponders why someone would want to buy Hitler's old car. Meanwhile, Jonnie resolves to be mediocre in 2026 and tells us how both President Bushes had embarrassing moments exactly 10 years apart. Plus, a conversation about not losing hope when a season of life ends, and the importance of trusting God. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by DoorDash: "This burger is cold, but at least it also cost $57." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John finally gets into reading fiction, but hates it when the movie ends different than the book. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a random Venmo from a listener who is trying to keep him out of jail and tells the story of the time left-handed polo players got banned. Plus, a conversation about vices, neighbors, and the advantages of failing in private. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by New Year’s Resolutions: “Start off the year the right way- with empty promises.” FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John brings glowsticks to church and the crowd goes wild. Meanwhile, Jonnie rides in the back of a truck in January with a 300 lb television and tells the tale of Grandfather Frost. Plus, a conversation about the dangers in striving for greatness and why we’re really happiest when we make our life about other people.  Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Figgy Pudding: “Bring it to us right now, or we are not leaving.”   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John and Jonnie bring you past clips from some of their favorite holiday moments of the podcast over the years.   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John reveals his least favorite candy and learns what beloved TV special killed the aluminum Christmas tree industry. Meanwhile, Jonnie has lunch with some comedian pals and tells the tale of the Pet Rock craze of the 1970s. Plus, a conversation about red flags, toxic people, and how weaponized “therapy talk” has led to a loneliness epidemic. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Trail Mix: “It’s the healthiest way to eat a pound of M&M’s.” FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John questions the morality of sneaking in outside candy to the movies. Meanwhile, Jonnie joins the podcast remotely from snowy Michigan and tells the history of the phrase “innocent until proven guilty.” Plus, a conversation about "The Pottery Class Paradox” and why making a lot of things is better than obsessing over perfection. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Co-Pays at the Doctor’s Office: “It’s the money you pay AFTER you pay for insurance, and right before a mystery third amount that you’ll find out about later.” FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John gets his wisdom teeth out and experiences time travel. Meanwhile, Jonnie searches for a loyal dog and shares historical facts about Thanksgiving. Plus, a conversation about Job and the two-word answer God gives to every prayer. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Vicks Vap-O-Rub: “You’re still sick, but now you also smell like menthol.” FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John ponders whether AI will take our podcasting jobs and hates when his favorite shows "jump the shark.” Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a WAY too firm handshake from an audience member and gets suspicious of the woman who survived 3 famous ship disasters Plus, a conversation about Sanctification, Niceness, and why we are (hopefully) falling down an up escalator.  Today's episode is NOT sponsored by The Stock Market: "It's like a casino, but with less regulation!" FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John's standing desk goes rogue and he learns a musical use for Super Glue. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals why the sandwich was invented and tells the tale of the exploding whale in Oregon. Plus, a conversation about giving, receiving, and a perspective of gratitude. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by The Government: "We're back up and running (until the next time we decide to shut it down)! FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John finds his bald band of brothers and hopes he eventually gets a recliner. Meanwhile, Jonnie visits a famous golf destination and reveals yet another 80's political scandal that is just adorable by today's standards. Plus, a conversation about winning the culture war and losing our way. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Daylight Savings Time: "Literally no one you know wants it, and yet it persists."   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John takes an "L" when he issues a snarky retraction about typewriters and brags about his ability to worry. Meanwhile, Jonnie learns a troubling fact about pillows and hopes he'll be a new man in 7 years. Plus, a conversation about how grace goes against our urge to achieve approval. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Books: "Just like an audiobook, but with the captions on."   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John gets over his fear of needles and gets emotional listening to Guns N Roses. Meanwhile, Jonnie figures out his eyes are failing while hanging out with a younger person and tells us about the time a man took his wife on a balloon ride 11 miles up. Plus, a conversation about the death of nuance, and why the internet has turned our conversations into shouting matches. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Walking Shoes: "Just as expensive as running shoes, but you get to go slower". FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John reminisces on his childhood days as a pool shark and tells us why he is a prisoner in his own mouth. Meanwhile, Jonnie decides minivans aren't so bad and begins a frantic search for an audience member who used a funny alias at his show (and then had a serious thing happen to him). Plus, a conversation about truth, propaganda, and why we really hope there's a generation coming that will reject social media. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Stanley Cups: "When you absolutely need to keep 244 ounces of coffee piping hot for 8 hours."  FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John is enamored with his car's technology and patiently awaits Nashville's new tunnel system. Meanwhile, Jonnie does a show for people in recovery and tells the tale of a woman who rode a bicycle an unreasonable distance. Plus, a conversation about affirmation, encouragement and how we never really stop becoming something. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Hammocks: "Are you relaxed, or trapped?”   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John wants a 3D printed liver and spends a week at home alone watching movies his wife would hate. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders how adorable old political scandals are when compared with today's and celebrates the birthday of an author who sold a lot of books… and got his predictions wrong 100% of the time. Plus, a conversation about submission and obedience, and what it means to be "free indeed.” Todays episode is NOT sponsored by The Latest Smartphone: "Better Features? Not really. More expensive? Absolutely." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John goes snake hunting and tells us why he doesn't like scary movies. Meanwhile Jonnie visits Stephen King's house in Maine and shares the story of the man who quit drumming for the Beatles to go back to driving a forklift. Plus, a conversation about the anxiety built into modern life and the challenges this generation faces that we never had to deal with. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Internet Cookies: "We just want to be accepted." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg 375

John has a serious dilemma when choosing a license plate and is upset by the current trends in facial hair. Meanwhile, Jonnie gives an update on his scratched car and tells us why it's not quite like the parable of the Good Samaritan. Plus, a conversation about cultural baggage around the word "Christian" and the balance between proclaiming our faith and living our faith. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by The Pumpkin Patch: "The brand new treatment for people addicted to seasonal fall beverages. Need to kick the habit? Try The Pumpkin Patch!" FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg  

John pits AI servers against one another and learns about a war that lasted about as long as this episode. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a mysterious note from a stranger and tells us the strange (and misremembered) history of the "Rosie the Riveter" poster. Plus, a conversation about tradition and the tension we hold between honoring the past and charting a new direction. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by 'Aloe Guv'nah: The British Treatment for Sunburns.    FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John tells us his elaborate sleeping regimen, and tries to bring back the offeratory in church services. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a case of the "church giggles", and shares the complicated history of The Wizard of Oz. Plus, a conversation about confirmation bias, and why truthfulness still matters. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by The Self-Checkout Aisle at the Grocery Store: "Grab a name tag, you work here now." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John doesn't have time to kayak and doesn't sell his soul (because he got no offers). Meanwhile, Jonnie performs feats of strength at a show, and tells the history of the plastic car made of soybeans. Plus, a conversation about the pursuit of happiness and why it makes so many of us miserable. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by LED Lightbulbs: "We last 12 years, give or take 10-12 years." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John learns about the Mandela Effect and tells us whether he'd sell the awards he's won for writing. Meanwhile, Jonnie opens a timeshare for birds and thinks today's generation is WAY too hydrated. Plus, a conversation about despair and why chasing comfort can be a detriment to authentic faith. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Trophy Shops: "If you have 30 bucks, we'll make you a winner. " FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John celebrates the contentious history of the ice cream cone, and never goes anywhere without his emergency jacket. Meanwhile, Jonnie hurts himself on a Ninja Warrior course, and tells us about the time England taxed windows. Plus, a conversation about how a good church service is like a good pair of shoes, and a good referee. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Voicemails: "When you could have just texted the person, but you want your message to be ignored." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg