Talk About That

John flies on a private jet and gets ignored by young people. Meanwhile, Jonnie uses two high schoolers as his opening act and invents a historical new drink. Plus, a conversation about Rage Bait and why politics can never bring us true freedom. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Sally's Seashell Shop: "We're right down by the seashore, which in retrospect was a poor choice of location." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John listens to one of his daughter's favorite podcasts and ponders why someone would want to buy Hitler's old car. Meanwhile, Jonnie resolves to be mediocre in 2026 and tells us how both President Bushes had embarrassing moments exactly 10 years apart. Plus, a conversation about not losing hope when a season of life ends, and the importance of trusting God. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by DoorDash: "This burger is cold, but at least it also cost $57." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John finally gets into reading fiction, but hates it when the movie ends different than the book. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a random Venmo from a listener who is trying to keep him out of jail and tells the story of the time left-handed polo players got banned. Plus, a conversation about vices, neighbors, and the advantages of failing in private. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by New Year’s Resolutions: “Start off the year the right way- with empty promises.” FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John brings glowsticks to church and the crowd goes wild. Meanwhile, Jonnie rides in the back of a truck in January with a 300 lb television and tells the tale of Grandfather Frost. Plus, a conversation about the dangers in striving for greatness and why we’re really happiest when we make our life about other people.  Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Figgy Pudding: “Bring it to us right now, or we are not leaving.”   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John and Jonnie bring you past clips from some of their favorite holiday moments of the podcast over the years.   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John reveals his least favorite candy and learns what beloved TV special killed the aluminum Christmas tree industry. Meanwhile, Jonnie has lunch with some comedian pals and tells the tale of the Pet Rock craze of the 1970s. Plus, a conversation about red flags, toxic people, and how weaponized “therapy talk” has led to a loneliness epidemic. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Trail Mix: “It’s the healthiest way to eat a pound of M&M’s.” FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John questions the morality of sneaking in outside candy to the movies. Meanwhile, Jonnie joins the podcast remotely from snowy Michigan and tells the history of the phrase “innocent until proven guilty.” Plus, a conversation about "The Pottery Class Paradox” and why making a lot of things is better than obsessing over perfection. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Co-Pays at the Doctor’s Office: “It’s the money you pay AFTER you pay for insurance, and right before a mystery third amount that you’ll find out about later.” FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John gets his wisdom teeth out and experiences time travel. Meanwhile, Jonnie searches for a loyal dog and shares historical facts about Thanksgiving. Plus, a conversation about Job and the two-word answer God gives to every prayer. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Vicks Vap-O-Rub: “You’re still sick, but now you also smell like menthol.” FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John ponders whether AI will take our podcasting jobs and hates when his favorite shows "jump the shark.” Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a WAY too firm handshake from an audience member and gets suspicious of the woman who survived 3 famous ship disasters Plus, a conversation about Sanctification, Niceness, and why we are (hopefully) falling down an up escalator.  Today's episode is NOT sponsored by The Stock Market: "It's like a casino, but with less regulation!" FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John's standing desk goes rogue and he learns a musical use for Super Glue. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals why the sandwich was invented and tells the tale of the exploding whale in Oregon. Plus, a conversation about giving, receiving, and a perspective of gratitude. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by The Government: "We're back up and running (until the next time we decide to shut it down)! FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John finds his bald band of brothers and hopes he eventually gets a recliner. Meanwhile, Jonnie visits a famous golf destination and reveals yet another 80's political scandal that is just adorable by today's standards. Plus, a conversation about winning the culture war and losing our way. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Daylight Savings Time: "Literally no one you know wants it, and yet it persists."   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John takes an "L" when he issues a snarky retraction about typewriters and brags about his ability to worry. Meanwhile, Jonnie learns a troubling fact about pillows and hopes he'll be a new man in 7 years. Plus, a conversation about how grace goes against our urge to achieve approval. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Books: "Just like an audiobook, but with the captions on."   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John gets over his fear of needles and gets emotional listening to Guns N Roses. Meanwhile, Jonnie figures out his eyes are failing while hanging out with a younger person and tells us about the time a man took his wife on a balloon ride 11 miles up. Plus, a conversation about the death of nuance, and why the internet has turned our conversations into shouting matches. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Walking Shoes: "Just as expensive as running shoes, but you get to go slower". FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John reminisces on his childhood days as a pool shark and tells us why he is a prisoner in his own mouth. Meanwhile, Jonnie decides minivans aren't so bad and begins a frantic search for an audience member who used a funny alias at his show (and then had a serious thing happen to him). Plus, a conversation about truth, propaganda, and why we really hope there's a generation coming that will reject social media. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Stanley Cups: "When you absolutely need to keep 244 ounces of coffee piping hot for 8 hours."  FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John is enamored with his car's technology and patiently awaits Nashville's new tunnel system. Meanwhile, Jonnie does a show for people in recovery and tells the tale of a woman who rode a bicycle an unreasonable distance. Plus, a conversation about affirmation, encouragement and how we never really stop becoming something. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Hammocks: "Are you relaxed, or trapped?”   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John wants a 3D printed liver and spends a week at home alone watching movies his wife would hate. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders how adorable old political scandals are when compared with today's and celebrates the birthday of an author who sold a lot of books… and got his predictions wrong 100% of the time. Plus, a conversation about submission and obedience, and what it means to be "free indeed.” Todays episode is NOT sponsored by The Latest Smartphone: "Better Features? Not really. More expensive? Absolutely." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John goes snake hunting and tells us why he doesn't like scary movies. Meanwhile Jonnie visits Stephen King's house in Maine and shares the story of the man who quit drumming for the Beatles to go back to driving a forklift. Plus, a conversation about the anxiety built into modern life and the challenges this generation faces that we never had to deal with. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Internet Cookies: "We just want to be accepted." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg 375

John has a serious dilemma when choosing a license plate and is upset by the current trends in facial hair. Meanwhile, Jonnie gives an update on his scratched car and tells us why it's not quite like the parable of the Good Samaritan. Plus, a conversation about cultural baggage around the word "Christian" and the balance between proclaiming our faith and living our faith. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by The Pumpkin Patch: "The brand new treatment for people addicted to seasonal fall beverages. Need to kick the habit? Try The Pumpkin Patch!" FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg  

John pits AI servers against one another and learns about a war that lasted about as long as this episode. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a mysterious note from a stranger and tells us the strange (and misremembered) history of the "Rosie the Riveter" poster. Plus, a conversation about tradition and the tension we hold between honoring the past and charting a new direction. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by 'Aloe Guv'nah: The British Treatment for Sunburns.    FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John tells us his elaborate sleeping regimen, and tries to bring back the offeratory in church services. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a case of the "church giggles", and shares the complicated history of The Wizard of Oz. Plus, a conversation about confirmation bias, and why truthfulness still matters. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by The Self-Checkout Aisle at the Grocery Store: "Grab a name tag, you work here now." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John doesn't have time to kayak and doesn't sell his soul (because he got no offers). Meanwhile, Jonnie performs feats of strength at a show, and tells the history of the plastic car made of soybeans. Plus, a conversation about the pursuit of happiness and why it makes so many of us miserable. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by LED Lightbulbs: "We last 12 years, give or take 10-12 years." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John learns about the Mandela Effect and tells us whether he'd sell the awards he's won for writing. Meanwhile, Jonnie opens a timeshare for birds and thinks today's generation is WAY too hydrated. Plus, a conversation about despair and why chasing comfort can be a detriment to authentic faith. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Trophy Shops: "If you have 30 bucks, we'll make you a winner. " FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John celebrates the contentious history of the ice cream cone, and never goes anywhere without his emergency jacket. Meanwhile, Jonnie hurts himself on a Ninja Warrior course, and tells us about the time England taxed windows. Plus, a conversation about how a good church service is like a good pair of shoes, and a good referee. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Voicemails: "When you could have just texted the person, but you want your message to be ignored." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John traps a groundhog and immediately makes it into a sermon illustration. Meanwhile, Jonnie doesn't like it when restaurants use animals as mascots, and learns about the time in history when tomatoes were considered poisonous. Plus, a conversation about masculinity, vulnerability, and common sense. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Pickleball: "It's never too late to tear your achilles." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John goes for a jog and gets attacked by an unlikely predator. Meanwhile, Jonnie decides not to tell his Kenny Rogers joke for a very good reason, and dreams of getting a key to the City (any city will do). Plus, we learn why anxiety is like a rocking chair (and not in a good way), and how security can become an unhealthy fixation. Today's Episode is NOT sponsored by Door Dash: "When you absolutely NEED a $48 cheeseburger." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John goes to an archeological dig and channels his inner Indiana Jones for a history book project. Meanwhile, Jonnie takes us behind the scenes for his debut performance at the Grand Ole Opry and ponders whether children's books are pro-insect propaganda. Plus, a conversation about honoring our thoughts and moods without letting them have undue influence in our lives.  Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Mineral Water: "It's like regular water, but it hurts your mouth." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John fights to remove some unwelcome houseguests before they cost him his savings (and sanity). Meanwhile, Jonnie gets creeped out in the restroom at the Nashville Zoo and reveals why M&M's candies were sold to the military in the 1940's. Plus, a conversation about the purpose of the church, and the importance of focusing on authenticity, rather than outside perception. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Roomba: "It's not a great vacuum cleaner, but at least it terrifies your pets." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John has an awkward encounter with a possum and issues a retraction about St. Bernards. Meanwhile, Jonnie performs at a wedding reception and reveals the world record for most people shaved in an hour. Plus, a conversation about gratitude and why "counting our blessings" changes our mindset. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Memory Foam Pillows: "We Forgive, but We Never Forget.” FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John issues a retraction about ranch dressing and pours money into an old car. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals why a hug from a Disney character is the best and tells us why fashion matters more than you think when climbing Mt. Everest.  Plus, a conversation about picking your battles, and beginning with the end in mind. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Bagged Salad Mix: "When you want to eat healthy, but also want a bag of wet leaves to throw away sometime next week." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John puts himself on the (literal) hot seat and buys a Cadillac made of gold. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us about the "Dancing Plague" of the 16th Century and the strange reason ketchup was invented. Plus, a conversation about the difference between healthy confidence and a self-destructive ego. Today episode is NOT sponsored by Biscuits & Gravy : "When you want some really wet flour on top of your really dry flour.”   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John stays in a hiking lodge with strangers and tells us why some things are better off being dirty. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a mishap trimming his goatee and reveals the pecking order of entertainers. Plus, a conversation about Self-Talk and why your words may matter more than you think. Today's episode is not sponsored by Garage Sales: "When you really want to waste a Saturday in your driveway to make $43.00.”   FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John wants to take a long train ride and is exhausted by AI deep fake videos. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets a Facebook comment that is actually helpful and makes a big splash when he reveals his very first memory from childhood. Plus, a conversation about how the movies and media we consume shape our personality and core values. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by SPF 15 Sunscreen: “When you want to be sunburned, but not right away." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John defies his GPS and begrudgingly admits his father's motto was actually pretty great. Meanwhile, Jonnie brags about his elite status on a budget airline and tells the story of the time a solar eclipse stopped a war and led to a royal wedding. Plus, a conversation about validating our feelings without always being driven by them. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Golf: "The angriest you've ever been while walking in ugly pants." FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John has specific instructions for his wife when he dies, and reveals his obsession with vice grip pliers. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders the real villain of the Titanic movie and tells the strange story of how government-imported camels in the 1800's led to ghost sightings in Arizona. Plus, a conversation about contemplation, and the power our thoughts have over the direction of our lives. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by A Box of Old Cables in Your Garage: "Every Man Has One… and Every Man is Afraid to Throw It Out” FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John critiques the Big Mac and tries to be productive, but only if he can track it on his phone. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a decade-old video go viral and does a Maypole dance against his Mom’s wishes.  Plus, a conversation about dopamine addiction and the urge to oversimplify problems that need more nuance. Today’s Episode is NOT sponsored by “Meaty Okra: The Vegetable that tastes like beef. From the makers of Tofurkey. Meaty Okra: It’s Just Okay” FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John gets invited by Jonnie to a gender reveal party for an insect and refuses to get his brain hacked by Elon Musk. Meanwhile, Jonnie thinks Abe Lincoln should’ve seen a dermatologist and tells us the history of the zipper. Plus, a conversation about emotional maturity and the right way to change someone’s mind. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by At Home Orthodontics: “Brace Yourself!” FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John tries to stop his head from shining, and tells us the illustrious history of the Slurpee. Meanwhile, Jonnie goes to a 20 year old movie, and shares the story of the time Winnie the Pooh got sued for assault. Plus, a conversation about side-hustles, impostor syndrome, and why some of our favorite people doubt their abilities. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Skim Milk: "It's better for you, mostly because there's no way you will finish drinking it."

John teaches us about the history of candy and ponders growing a skullet. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a senior moment at the movie theater and tries to find out why Betty Ford danced on a table at the White House Plus, a conversation about how difficulties and trials tend to deepen our relationships. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by The Stock Market: "Like a casino, but without the free drinks!"

John ponders whether anyone "hate listens" to the show and makes sermon illustrations out of old cartoons. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us why the first cell phone call was used to troll a competitor and what he learned from Jim Carrey about being a comedian. Plus, a conversation about human nature, humility, and why "Main Character Energy" isn't the flex you think it is. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Gatorade: "When you want some fruit punch, but also a pound of salt." FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John gets bougie with the sideline snacks for his daughter's volleyball game and wonders if Daniel from the Bible snuggled with the lions. Meanwhile, Jonnie gives us the strange history of the washing machine and gets intimidated at an event when he hears the list of previous keynote speakers. Plus, a conversation about virtuous leadership, honor, and the main thing George Washington got right. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Cadbury Creme Eggs: "Now almost the same price as regular eggs!” FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John gets secret messages in his ear during worship and ponders whether we need merch. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets interviewed by an 80's comedy icon and tells us the demographic breakdown of his fanbase. Plus, a conversation about reactionaryism, revolution, and choosing hope over fear. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Grapefruit: "If you like oranges, try their bitter, overweight cousin!" FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John ponders how many pics of his kid is too many and vigorously defends coconut. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals what all rock band photos have in common and finds out the terrible original name for the Girl Scouts. Plus, a conversation about The Sermon on the Mount and why it's needed now more than ever. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Restaurant To-Go Boxes: "Let the other half of your meal rot in your very own fridge!" FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John tells us about his short-lived career as a rapper and ponders how much protection his book would offer against a would be assassin. Meanwhile, Jonnie changes his rock band's name way too many times and tries in vain to stop a rodent infestation. Plus, a conversation about how God shapes us through pain and disappointment, and why that's actually a good thing. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Buc-ees: "You stopped here to use the restroom, and then you spent $58 on snacks."   FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John reads a listener email and wishes we could be a zany Morning Zoo Radio Show. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an important retraction from last week (because he is stupid) and tells us about some wild wedding proposals on Leap Day in 13th Century Scotland. Plus, a conversation about neighbors, enemies, and America's addiction to grievance. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Driving Directions From Old People: "Less Accurate Than GPS, But Also Way More Condescending.”    FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John cleans out his office and gets mad at his younger self while listening to some old tapes. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us the history of the windshield wiper and the story of a man whose own hanging could not stop him from roasting the grammar of his captors. Plus, a conversation about certainty and humility—and why a clear path may not always be the best one. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by French Fries: "Delicious for exactly five minutes. Then, completely inedible." FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John does some retail therapy and ponders a bold new way to reduce his screen time. Meanwhile, Jonnie hits the road with way too much luggage and tells the strange history of the Patron Saint of Toothaches. Plus, a conversation about vulnerability and why a life without humility is so dangerous. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Telepathy: "Tell me you know what I'm saying without telling me you know what I'm saying." FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

"You do not need to know precisely what is happening or exactly where it is all going. What you need is to recognize the possibilities and challenges offered by the present moment and to embrace them with courage, faith, and hope." - Thomas Merton. In this episode, we have a conversation about the "pursuit of happiness" and why adapting to challenges is a far better goal.  Plus, John gets a 4-year college scholarship using only a roll of tape and ponders becoming a plumber. Meanwhile, Jonnie changes his mind about seatbelt laws and celebrates the 21st anniversary of the best/worst invention of our lifetime. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Stretchy Pants: "Are you getting fatter? Who knows, but we'll never tell." FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

Bertrand Russell said, “There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge.” If there was ever a flagship quote for our podcast, is this it? Are we drowning in knowledge? Is knowing too much actually harming our brains? In today's episode, a conversation about information overload in the age of the internet and whether knowing too much is killing our brains. Plus, John does his best cat impression for some voiceover work and helps explain when an outfit becomes a getup. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders whether he could defeat John in an armored battle and why so many political fights in history ended with someone being beaten with a cane. Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Altoids: "The best breath mint that also sounds like a horrible disease." FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

"Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate." - Carl Jung. Self-awareness is a double-edged sword. Too much of it and you can become an introspective navel gazer. But at the same time, as John Calvin said, "without knowledge of self, there is no knowledge of God." In this episode, John and Jonnie talk about what healthy self-awareness looks like versus unhealthy navel-gazing. While we aren’t able to control everything that happens to us, we are given some agency in some aspects of life - and good therapy and healthy self-awareness can help us see the difference. And this isn’t just humanism - understanding yourself is part of understanding the gospel.  Plus, John gets a fancy new watch and helps Jonnie confront a scammer on the phone. Meanwhile, Jonnie writes a new jingle for a prescription drug and takes credit for a friend's Grammy nomination. John mentions: More Than Your Number: A Christ-Centered Enneagram Approach to Becoming AWARE of Your Internal World  Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Duvets: "For people who love their comforter, but only if it's wadded up inside of another comforter." FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

John comes in second place A LOT and tries his best to look menacing on his way to Walgreens. Meanwhile, Jonnie eats way too many caramels and learns that the most highly ranked restaurants are also selling car parts. Plus, a conversation about the trap of comparison and how to enjoy the one life you've been given. We make a lot of resolutions this time of year, things we plan to do... but is there anything you ought to "undo" as the new year begins? Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Hearing Tests: "Stop us if you've heard this one..." FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg