John questions the morality of sneaking in outside candy to the movies. Meanwhile, Jonnie joins the podcast remotely from snowy Michigan and tells the history of the phrase “innocent until proven guilty.”

Plus, a conversation about "The Pottery Class Paradox” and why making a lot of things is better than obsessing over perfection.

Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Co-Pays at the Doctor’s Office: “It’s the money you pay AFTER you pay for insurance, and right before a mystery third amount that you’ll find out about later.”

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John questions the morality of sneaking in outside candy to the movies. Meanwhile, Jonnie joins the podcast remotely from snowy Michigan and tells the history of the phrase &ldquo;innocent until proven guilty.&rdquo;
Plus, a conversation about "The Pottery Class Paradox&rdquo; and why making a lot of things is better than obsessing over perfection.
Today&rsquo;s episode is NOT sponsored by Co-Pays at the Doctor&rsquo;s Office: &ldquo;It&rsquo;s the money you pay AFTER you pay for insurance, and right before a mystery third amount that you&rsquo;ll find out about later.&rdquo;
FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com
FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com
LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com
WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

Two quirky and cerebral creatives talk it out as writer and former History teacher, John Driver, goes toe-to-toe with best friend and comedian, Jonnie W., in hilariously real and genuinely insightful conversations about life, history, current culture, faith—and everything in between.

Two quirky and cerebral creatives talk it out as writer and former History teacher, John Driver, goes toe-to-toe with best friend and comedian, Jonnie W., in hilariously real and genuinely insightful conversations about life, history, current culture, faith—and everything in between.

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