Jonnie has a viral video, and makes the mistake of reading the comments. Then, John talks about the research for his forthcoming book on racism, and the boys delve into America’s troubled past.

Also, a conversation about fear as a “button” for motivating people, and why it always works.

Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Hands 🙌™️: “You should wash us even when there’s not a pandemic.”

Jonnie has a viral video, and makes the mistake of reading the comments. Then, John talks about the research for his forthcoming book on racism, and the boys delve into America’s troubled past. Also, a conversation about fear as a “button” for motivating people, and why it always works. Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by Hands 🙌™️: “You should wash us even when there’s not a pandemic.”

Two quirky and cerebral creatives talk it out as writer and former History teacher, John Driver, goes toe-to-toe with best friend and comedian, Jonnie W., in hilariously real and genuinely insightful conversations about life, history, current culture, faith—and everything in between.

Two quirky and cerebral creatives talk it out as writer and former History teacher, John Driver, goes toe-to-toe with best friend and comedian, Jonnie W., in hilariously real and genuinely insightful conversations about life, history, current culture, faith—and everything in between.

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Jonnie has a viral video, and makes the mistake of reading the comments. Then, John talks about the research for his forthcoming book on racism, and the boys delve into America’s troubled past. Also, a conversation about fear as a “button” for...