Hey, everybody, welcome back. You're listening to Table for two. This is Bruce Bosi and we are at the Sunset Tower on a beautiful October day past.

Hey, everybody, welcome back. You're listening to Table for two. This is Bruce Bosi and we are at the Sunset Tower on a beautiful October day past.

Oh you're doing you're doing your voice. Wow, it's a whole lunch radio voice.

Oh you're doing you're doing your voice. Wow, it's a whole lunch radio voice.

And we're sitting at a specific table that I think is the most elegant, glamorous, well let table.

And we're sitting at a specific table that I think is the most elegant, glamorous, well let table.

In the room.

In the room.

And there's a reason for it, and it's the Tom Ford table because today we're having lunch with the man himself, Tom Ford. Our conversation was recorded back in October, before the two point eight billion dollar sale of Tom's company to Estay Lauder was announced, So while we don't talk much about that.

And there's a reason for it, and it's the Tom Ford table because today we're having lunch with the man himself, Tom Ford. Our conversation was recorded back in October, before the two point eight billion dollar sale of Tom's company to Estay Lauder was announced, So while we don't talk much about that.

Change, we do cover the things that made that brand.

Change, we do cover the things that made that brand.

Such a success, elegance, beauty, and layer. Speaking of which Tom's wearing a black suit and a white shirt.

Such a success, elegance, beauty, and layer. Speaking of which Tom's wearing a black suit and a white shirt.

Big change.

Big change.

It's what I always I love that your cuffs are not buttoned.

It's what I always I love that your cuffs are not buttoned.

Oh yes, it's my casual look.

Oh yes, it's my casual look.

This is Bruce Bosi and this is my podcast Table for two.

This is Bruce Bosi and this is my podcast Table for two.

You have to know this about Tom.

You have to know this about Tom.

So Tom and I had the pleasure of our children going to the same school at a certain period of time, so I drop off and Tom would be dropping his son off at school, as I would might be dropping my daughter off, and oftentimes I'd turn the corner and at eight o'clock in the morning, this is what you look like.

So Tom and I had the pleasure of our children going to the same school at a certain period of time, so I drop off and Tom would be dropping his son off at school, as I would might be dropping my daughter off, and oftentimes I'd turn the corner and at eight o'clock in the morning, this is what you look like.

Oh, because it's easy, you know. I think people think, oh, a suit's so fancy, blah blah.

Oh, because it's easy, you know. I think people think, oh, a suit's so fancy, blah blah.

Blah a suit.

Blah a suit.

A suit is so easy, you know, you don't have to think. And I wear the same not the same exact suit. I have probably ten of them that are just copies of each other. But I think it's important in love to figure out what you look good in, what you feel comfortable in. You know, you don't need to change your style or your fashion just because fashion changes, you know. I think the most iconic people in the world are when you think about, you know, what someone looks like. You think about icons. I mean, for example, they don't usually change their style.

A suit is so easy, you know, you don't have to think. And I wear the same not the same exact suit. I have probably ten of them that are just copies of each other. But I think it's important in love to figure out what you look good in, what you feel comfortable in. You know, you don't need to change your style or your fashion just because fashion changes, you know. I think the most iconic people in the world are when you think about, you know, what someone looks like. You think about icons. I mean, for example, they don't usually change their style.

Well, it can be a good example of that.

Well, it can be a good example of that.

Let me finish, No, it was interrupted by food.

Let me finish, No, it was interrupted by food.

Unfortunately for Tom. Food came. Even though you know this is about lunch.

Unfortunately for Tom. Food came. Even though you know this is about lunch.

I know, but it's not about lunch. It's about talking.

I know, but it's not about lunch. It's about talking.

And I was.

And I was.

In fact, I never have lunch. I never go out to lunch.

In fact, I never have lunch. I never go out to lunch.

I'm very honor.

I'm very honor.

You usually don't even eat at my desk. If I'm in the office and I smell food, I'm like, who's eating food? Dinner is different, you know, dinner's fine, but lunch. It interrupts my day. It interrupts my way of thought. I don't like going out in the daytime past a certain age. Nobody looks good in overhead overhead daylight speaking, don't I think we're at Tom.

You usually don't even eat at my desk. If I'm in the office and I smell food, I'm like, who's eating food? Dinner is different, you know, dinner's fine, but lunch. It interrupts my day. It interrupts my way of thought. I don't like going out in the daytime past a certain age. Nobody looks good in overhead overhead daylight speaking, don't I think we're at Tom.

We are at the Tower Bar, which is a very very beautiful, elegant restaurant, very Hollywood. Jeff Clin's done an incredible Jeff Clin owns the place, and we're at Tom's table, and Tom.

We are at the Tower Bar, which is a very very beautiful, elegant restaurant, very Hollywood. Jeff Clin's done an incredible Jeff Clin owns the place, and we're at Tom's table, and Tom.

We are at my table, although I never sit here in the day as I only sit here at night. And I'm so crazy that I had them black out the overhead spotlight at my table. There's an overhead light at every other table. They put candles at mine. But I won't sit with an overhead light because nobody looks good with an overhead light. You get shadows over your eyes, you get shadows, you know, shadows everywhere. Even if you're young, you don't look great with the overhead light, So avoid it at all.

We are at my table, although I never sit here in the day as I only sit here at night. And I'm so crazy that I had them black out the overhead spotlight at my table. There's an overhead light at every other table. They put candles at mine. But I won't sit with an overhead light because nobody looks good with an overhead light. You get shadows over your eyes, you get shadows, you know, shadows everywhere. Even if you're young, you don't look great with the overhead light, So avoid it at all.

Costs, so go back.

Costs, so go back.

You were telling me, well, way, don't want to talk about lighting, because you know we were at your house the other Oh my god, and I was watching you get dressed, and you don't have proper lighting in your bathroom. I don't know how you do it. Because someone once said, or I read, or I don't know, some famous decorator or famous vain person that lighting a bathroom is all about lighting the face. And it's true. You know, a powder room's different. It's for guests, it's evening. You know that needs to be sexy, sensual, not overly lit. But your bathroom, I mean you've got to be throwing light on your face and again after a certain a Bruce, you need a magnifying mirror because I think if you can make yourself look great with a mirror magnifying your face and a really bright light, you know you're gonna look good when you go.

You were telling me, well, way, don't want to talk about lighting, because you know we were at your house the other Oh my god, and I was watching you get dressed, and you don't have proper lighting in your bathroom. I don't know how you do it. Because someone once said, or I read, or I don't know, some famous decorator or famous vain person that lighting a bathroom is all about lighting the face. And it's true. You know, a powder room's different. It's for guests, it's evening. You know that needs to be sexy, sensual, not overly lit. But your bathroom, I mean you've got to be throwing light on your face and again after a certain a Bruce, you need a magnifying mirror because I think if you can make yourself look great with a mirror magnifying your face and a really bright light, you know you're gonna look good when you go.

So I had one.

So I had one.

I had the magnifying your not the light, and Tom was helping me get ready and a photo shoot that Tom was art directing, which was really great. We had a really wonderful afternoon, but you had to put You kind of taught me a little bit about men's makeup.

I had the magnifying your not the light, and Tom was helping me get ready and a photo shoot that Tom was art directing, which was really great. We had a really wonderful afternoon, but you had to put You kind of taught me a little bit about men's makeup.

You know, a little putting.

You know, a little putting.

Which makeup, let's call it grooming groom, which, by the way, you know, isn't It's just to make your skin look better, especially when you're having you know, a photograph done. But I mean I could talk about that for for well, because there are all sorts of tricks you know, which you learn well, you learn when you today. Know, if you've ever done a you know, a talk show or something like that, the makeup artist will put matt powder under your eyes because light bounces off of slick, shiny surfaces. So if there's something matt under your eyes, a light can't bounce off of it, and underneath your eyes look dead smooth. So you know, again, past a certain age underneath.

Which makeup, let's call it grooming groom, which, by the way, you know, isn't It's just to make your skin look better, especially when you're having you know, a photograph done. But I mean I could talk about that for for well, because there are all sorts of tricks you know, which you learn well, you learn when you today. Know, if you've ever done a you know, a talk show or something like that, the makeup artist will put matt powder under your eyes because light bounces off of slick, shiny surfaces. So if there's something matt under your eyes, a light can't bounce off of it, and underneath your eyes look dead smooth. So you know, again, past a certain age underneath.

Of your you know, the part underneath you know, I'm past that certain age is about thirty No I'm kidding, I'm kidding, good kiddy, And then you told me that fifty five it gets you get to that next Well, no, no, I'm sixty one. So I mean, if you can, everyone knows what you did like. This is not what sixty one looks like. This is certainly not what sixty one.

Of your you know, the part underneath you know, I'm past that certain age is about thirty No I'm kidding, I'm kidding, good kiddy, And then you told me that fifty five it gets you get to that next Well, no, no, I'm sixty one. So I mean, if you can, everyone knows what you did like. This is not what sixty one looks like. This is certainly not what sixty one.

Someone said to me the other day. You know, Oh, sixties, the new fifty, and seventies, the new sixty, but eighty is still eighty and it's kind of true.

Someone said to me the other day. You know, Oh, sixties, the new fifty, and seventies, the new sixty, but eighty is still eighty and it's kind of true.

Yes, Lighting, you taught me a little bit about grooming and evening out my skin, and I get it. So I used to see Tom at school because we have kids. So tell me how's fatherhood been, what's going on?

Yes, Lighting, you taught me a little bit about grooming and evening out my skin, and I get it. So I used to see Tom at school because we have kids. So tell me how's fatherhood been, what's going on?

What it was?

What it was?

Oh, fatherhood is amazing this.

Oh, fatherhood is amazing this.

Year, I want to send my condolences. I love.

Year, I want to send my condolences. I love.

I used to see Richard in the morning, in the afternoons picking up Jack, and.

I used to see Richard in the morning, in the afternoons picking up Jack, and.

We were together for thirty five years. And it's been hard. It's been about a year now and only now am I actually able to really start seeing a future, seeing a third act hopefully in my life, both you know, professionally and personally. It's been hard, and I've really just concentrated. I mean, you know, when I say it's been hard, a lot of other people have had to go through this. So I realized that it's part of life, losing someone that you love and someone that you've been with for a long time. But I've concentrated the year really on keeping Jack, my son's life as normal, you knows as it could be because it was very traumatic for him too, to lose his father, you know, right before he turned nine, and that was that was hard. Oh yes, kids, I'm trying to keep cutting you off. I have a feeling where both people that like to talk a lot.

We were together for thirty five years. And it's been hard. It's been about a year now and only now am I actually able to really start seeing a future, seeing a third act hopefully in my life, both you know, professionally and personally. It's been hard, and I've really just concentrated. I mean, you know, when I say it's been hard, a lot of other people have had to go through this. So I realized that it's part of life, losing someone that you love and someone that you've been with for a long time. But I've concentrated the year really on keeping Jack, my son's life as normal, you knows as it could be because it was very traumatic for him too, to lose his father, you know, right before he turned nine, and that was that was hard. Oh yes, kids, I'm trying to keep cutting you off. I have a feeling where both people that like to talk a lot.

We all know, we go all over it.

We all know, we go all over it.

But but but back to that. When I was about to have Jack, a therapist said to me, you know, having a child is the most selfish thing in the world that you can do. But raising a child is the most self less thing that I've never heard of. And it's true because you know, the world is where there are plenty of people on the planet. So having a child and saying, you know, I want to bring another creature into existence could be considered somewhat selfish. But raising a child indeed is self less. And you know, I'm sure a lot of people listening to this have kids, and you know that, you know, you know that it's selfless. You do you give up.

But but but back to that. When I was about to have Jack, a therapist said to me, you know, having a child is the most selfish thing in the world that you can do. But raising a child is the most self less thing that I've never heard of. And it's true because you know, the world is where there are plenty of people on the planet. So having a child and saying, you know, I want to bring another creature into existence could be considered somewhat selfish. But raising a child indeed is self less. And you know, I'm sure a lot of people listening to this have kids, and you know that, you know, you know that it's selfless. You do you give up.

Yourself, it's the you know, the minute you hold that baby. The daunting responsibility. Just that overwhelmed me at least was like wow, like everything is now changed and everything is about ava and it is not easy. Now I'm getting into the high school years. So it's a little bit more about me.

Yourself, it's the you know, the minute you hold that baby. The daunting responsibility. Just that overwhelmed me at least was like wow, like everything is now changed and everything is about ava and it is not easy. Now I'm getting into the high school years. So it's a little bit more about me.

Oh, I was desperate to talk about the baby crib in your bathroom for a year or two. So there's your bathrooms the size of a basket.

Oh, I was desperate to talk about the baby crib in your bathroom for a year or two. So there's your bathrooms the size of a basket.

Brian and I.

Brian and I.

So when we have a bedroom that had two bathrooms and wh ava was small, we made one of the bathrooms her room.

So when we have a bedroom that had two bathrooms and wh ava was small, we made one of the bathrooms her room.

The bathrooms, as I said, they're the size of most people's living room.

The bathrooms, as I said, they're the size of most people's living room.

You know that is t M I you can editing. That's fun. So let's talk about beauty. Let's talk about yes, beauty, and there's so much going on, no are we No? I mean I said Tom, Tom smells so good.

You know that is t M I you can editing. That's fun. So let's talk about beauty. Let's talk about yes, beauty, and there's so much going on, no are we No? I mean I said Tom, Tom smells so good.

What I'm wear.

What I'm wear.

Which is one of my fragrances, I take on a beldejour, which is a Catherine Deneuve was in and Boudegeor is the mask version. It's a very somewhat classic fragrance that when I was developing it, I sort of was thinking, Okay, well, if carry Grant we're alive today, what kind of fragrance would he'd be wearing. So it's more classic than a lot of my other frame is that.

Which is one of my fragrances, I take on a beldejour, which is a Catherine Deneuve was in and Boudegeor is the mask version. It's a very somewhat classic fragrance that when I was developing it, I sort of was thinking, Okay, well, if carry Grant we're alive today, what kind of fragrance would he'd be wearing. So it's more classic than a lot of my other frame is that.

The one of the first things you notice about someone when you see scent like that it smells scent?

The one of the first things you notice about someone when you see scent like that it smells scent?

Is that their eyes? It's their shoes? Like what what gus? The team?

Is that their eyes? It's their shoes? Like what what gus? The team?

It's eyes. It's not shoes, its eyes.

It's eyes. It's not shoes, its eyes.

What do you what do you see? You're talking about the color of the eyes.

What do you what do you see? You're talking about the color of the eyes.

Nose has nothing to do with the color. Yeah, it's something in people's faces. I'm closing my eyes while I talk to you because I often close my eyes when I talk because I can I can concentrate and focus. No, when I say eyes, I guess it's expression. You know, some people just look behind and other people just look like jerks, and often it proves to be true. So it's something about people's faces. And if they have a kind face, I noticed that, or you know, an intelligent face.

Nose has nothing to do with the color. Yeah, it's something in people's faces. I'm closing my eyes while I talk to you because I often close my eyes when I talk because I can I can concentrate and focus. No, when I say eyes, I guess it's expression. You know, some people just look behind and other people just look like jerks, and often it proves to be true. So it's something about people's faces. And if they have a kind face, I noticed that, or you know, an intelligent face.

Well, yeah, I think it's important because I have the gift of having lunch with town four to talk about the gift.

Well, yeah, I think it's important because I have the gift of having lunch with town four to talk about the gift.

You can have lunch with me anytime where we actually.

You can have lunch with me anytime where we actually.

Eat, because neither one of us are eating because I'm I dare not eat as now that I know you.

Eat, because neither one of us are eating because I'm I dare not eat as now that I know you.

Can eat, it will just make chewing nor.

Can eat, it will just make chewing nor.

I know, I know, well you know, I guess the beauty secret.

I know, I know, well you know, I guess the beauty secret.

I guess that's not really what I'm so interesting, But like, there seems to be a whole movement about and they call it that I think anti anti aging, but that's even not a good term. Like what people are doing now to sort of age gracefully beautifully.

I guess that's not really what I'm so interesting, But like, there seems to be a whole movement about and they call it that I think anti anti aging, but that's even not a good term. Like what people are doing now to sort of age gracefully beautifully.

It's so interesting You want to talk about beauty so much because it's so I mean, obviously I'm in the beauty business, and of course, you know, I can tell you lots about different kinds of skincare, different kinds of makeups or all the makeup or you know, tricks to look better. But for me, that's so much not what life is about. What is like, it's so funny. I often go to parties and people will actually want to have a serious conversation with me about moisturizer, and I'm like, what are you talking about? Were you talking about moisturizer? Let's talk about politics or what you're doing, or the latest film you've seen, or we get there.

It's so interesting You want to talk about beauty so much because it's so I mean, obviously I'm in the beauty business, and of course, you know, I can tell you lots about different kinds of skincare, different kinds of makeups or all the makeup or you know, tricks to look better. But for me, that's so much not what life is about. What is like, it's so funny. I often go to parties and people will actually want to have a serious conversation with me about moisturizer, and I'm like, what are you talking about? Were you talking about moisturizer? Let's talk about politics or what you're doing, or the latest film you've seen, or we get there.

We touch upon me.

We touch upon me.

Oh my god.

Oh my god.

Yeah, well okay, what's going on? Just right now?

Yeah, well okay, what's going on? Just right now?

What's going on?

What's going on?

No?

No?

No, no, just it with beauty that you're like, okay, this.

No, no, just it with beauty that you're like, okay, this.

Is people are injecting way too many things.

Is people are injecting way too many things.

Let's talk about the procedures.

Let's talk about the procedures.

Well, let's talk about facial dysmorphia, because I think a lot of people You look at a lot of celebrities now and you just think, oh my god, what do they see when they look in the mirror. They don't even look like themselves any longer, And it is truly dysmorphia. I think a lot of these people lose touch with who they were. They see a line and they think they have to fill it. They see a wrinkle and they've got to fill it. They see someone else's mouth and they think they need to have that. And I think it is a problem culturally for us. I think, you know, everything has to be done in moderation, and it's very hard, I think, to maintain your eye and realize that, okay, well you do have to age. That is it looks odd sometimes when people literally don't age. I just don't want to get into specifics about who who looks great, who doesn't look great. Well, Well, for me, I have a good friend, well Ali McGraw, who's a friend, and she looks incredible. She's in her mid eighties and she's beautiful, absolutely beautiful right, and has not done anything to herself. Oh, she takes care of herself, you know. I think a certain point you have to give up trying to be best in show and settle for best in class. And so if you're a certain age, look the best you can possibly look that age. Take care of yourself, eat well, exercise. It's all those same old things you hear about. You got to exercise, you gotta eat well, You've got to take care of yourself.

Well, let's talk about facial dysmorphia, because I think a lot of people You look at a lot of celebrities now and you just think, oh my god, what do they see when they look in the mirror. They don't even look like themselves any longer, And it is truly dysmorphia. I think a lot of these people lose touch with who they were. They see a line and they think they have to fill it. They see a wrinkle and they've got to fill it. They see someone else's mouth and they think they need to have that. And I think it is a problem culturally for us. I think, you know, everything has to be done in moderation, and it's very hard, I think, to maintain your eye and realize that, okay, well you do have to age. That is it looks odd sometimes when people literally don't age. I just don't want to get into specifics about who who looks great, who doesn't look great. Well, Well, for me, I have a good friend, well Ali McGraw, who's a friend, and she looks incredible. She's in her mid eighties and she's beautiful, absolutely beautiful right, and has not done anything to herself. Oh, she takes care of herself, you know. I think a certain point you have to give up trying to be best in show and settle for best in class. And so if you're a certain age, look the best you can possibly look that age. Take care of yourself, eat well, exercise. It's all those same old things you hear about. You got to exercise, you gotta eat well, You've got to take care of yourself.

And that's true.

And that's true.

Welcome back to table for two.

Welcome back to table for two.

I am having an incredible time here at the Sunset Tower with Tom Ford. And since we're not eating right now, I'm wondering when does Tom have lunch?

I am having an incredible time here at the Sunset Tower with Tom Ford. And since we're not eating right now, I'm wondering when does Tom have lunch?

So you you don't eat except for dinner.

So you you don't eat except for dinner.

I actually do eat lunch, but I don't go out to lunk going out to lunch, and I never go to lunch parties. You know, during Oscar Week, a very good friend of ours always has a lunch party.

I actually do eat lunch, but I don't go out to lunk going out to lunch, and I never go to lunch parties. You know, during Oscar Week, a very good friend of ours always has a lunch party.

And I know go during the day as well.

And I know go during the day as well.

During the day breaks up my day, ruins whatever I'm working on that day. I don't drink. So you go to a lunch party, people are drinking, they get sloppy. It's you know, okay, I just want to get on with my day and dinner. I've been to your house and you eat. It's super clean, very fish, a lot of fish. I was vegan for a few years and now I eat fish as well.

During the day breaks up my day, ruins whatever I'm working on that day. I don't drink. So you go to a lunch party, people are drinking, they get sloppy. It's you know, okay, I just want to get on with my day and dinner. I've been to your house and you eat. It's super clean, very fish, a lot of fish. I was vegan for a few years and now I eat fish as well.

So is that the kind of so you prefer entertaining at home and being sort of in control of the food.

So is that the kind of so you prefer entertaining at home and being sort of in control of the food.

Well, I started entertaining or having people over for dinner a lot during Richard's illness because he really couldn't go out. So for the last five years we've pretty much just had people to our house for dinner. Now I'm realizing, oh, there are restaurants, I can go out, I can go out with friends, and so I've been doing that a lot more.

Well, I started entertaining or having people over for dinner a lot during Richard's illness because he really couldn't go out. So for the last five years we've pretty much just had people to our house for dinner. Now I'm realizing, oh, there are restaurants, I can go out, I can go out with friends, and so I've been doing that a lot more.

Are you are people? If I'm allowed to ask asking you out on date? Because I know a lot of people that want to ask.

Are you are people? If I'm allowed to ask asking you out on date? Because I know a lot of people that want to ask.

Around a date, it's good.

Around a date, it's good.

Really, No no one has ah.

Really, No no one has ah.

And that's surprising.

And that's surprising.

Yeah, well I don't know.

Yeah, well I don't know.

I'm only now even starting to think about that and maybe starting to be able to well, as I said, to think about it. But no no one ever comes on to me, No one ever asks me out.

I'm only now even starting to think about that and maybe starting to be able to well, as I said, to think about it. But no no one ever comes on to me, No one ever asks me out.

That is that's shame, But okay, I got it. Do you think it's because of like there's an austereness about you?

That is that's shame, But okay, I got it. Do you think it's because of like there's an austereness about you?

Because of austere you know probably I don't know, you know, I think I'm actually a very shy person. I don't know that, you know, most people would believe that. But I think sometimes when you're very shy, you can see aloof right, and it's really a defense to just kind of, you know, maintain a story. And I'm very formal person. You know.

Because of austere you know probably I don't know, you know, I think I'm actually a very shy person. I don't know that, you know, most people would believe that. But I think sometimes when you're very shy, you can see aloof right, and it's really a defense to just kind of, you know, maintain a story. And I'm very formal person. You know.

You are a.

You are a.

Formal person, well meaning that it takes a while, you know, but by the way Europeans are, and I've lived in.

Formal person, well meaning that it takes a while, you know, but by the way Europeans are, and I've lived in.

Europe for thirty years or.

Europe for thirty years or.

More, and Europeans are by nature much more formal than Americans. You know, especially in California, people hug you immediately, and you know, you waiter, I'll come over and tell you his name, what his favorite food is on the menu, ask you personal questions. And it's very very odd to me.

More, and Europeans are by nature much more formal than Americans. You know, especially in California, people hug you immediately, and you know, you waiter, I'll come over and tell you his name, what his favorite food is on the menu, ask you personal questions. And it's very very odd to me.

I mean, your hardline at a dinner party when we've hosted them, when you as like the whole spousal thing, separate spouses.

I mean, your hardline at a dinner party when we've hosted them, when you as like the whole spousal thing, separate spouses.

Oh my god, you have to. I mean, yeah, I'm old fashioned, you know. I believe if you go to a dinner party, you cannot sit spouses next to each other. You have to split them up that way when they go home and get into bed. They've got a lot of things to gossip about. Oh my god, that woman who said next to me she was a nightmare, she was horrible. Really, well, you didn't have to sit next to him, Wow, he was so boring. No, yes, And did you see what she had on? You know, if you're sitting next to your spouse, you don't get to do that.

Oh my god, you have to. I mean, yeah, I'm old fashioned, you know. I believe if you go to a dinner party, you cannot sit spouses next to each other. You have to split them up that way when they go home and get into bed. They've got a lot of things to gossip about. Oh my god, that woman who said next to me she was a nightmare, she was horrible. Really, well, you didn't have to sit next to him, Wow, he was so boring. No, yes, And did you see what she had on? You know, if you're sitting next to your spouse, you don't get to do that.

You don't know, and it's just ridiculous.

You don't know, and it's just ridiculous.

That's the point of a dinner party is to meet new people, or to at least be able to talk to people you don't talk to every day.

That's the point of a dinner party is to meet new people, or to at least be able to talk to people you don't talk to every day.

You bring up La, so I associate you because New York. You're not done yet. I think you're completing your work on Houstin's townhouse.

You bring up La, so I associate you because New York. You're not done yet. I think you're completing your work on Houstin's townhouse.

That is, let's call it my townhouse. Yes, formerly it belonged.

That is, let's call it my townhouse. Yes, formerly it belonged.

To all we have New York London.

To all we have New York London.

I actually was in that. I was in that house when I was eighteen. I was dating someone who worked for Anti World at the factory and went by I probably would have been nineteen seventy nine to pick someone up before we went out, and I walked.

I actually was in that. I was in that house when I was eighteen. I was dating someone who worked for Anti World at the factory and went by I probably would have been nineteen seventy nine to pick someone up before we went out, and I walked.

Into that house and I was just like wow, really.

Into that house and I was just like wow, really.

And so it's amazing that to me that I own that house now.

And so it's amazing that to me that I own that house now.

And yeah, the beautiful thing about life.

And yeah, the beautiful thing about life.

I mean like that. Yeah, if you live long enough you get to have.

I mean like that. Yeah, if you live long enough you get to have.

Those are you? Are you keeping it in that.

Those are you? Are you keeping it in that.

Sort of I actually put it back to the way that it looked. It was designed by an architect called Paul Rudolph, who was the dean of architecture at Yale. And there's a long story to that I won't bore your listeners with, but he redesigned the house for Halston. It wasn't designed originally for Halston, redesigned it for him when he moved in in nineteen seventy four, and then it was owned after that by Johnny Annelli and Gunter Sachs and it had been ripped apart sadly, and so I have basically put it back the way it was because it was pretty. It was pretty perfect.

Sort of I actually put it back to the way that it looked. It was designed by an architect called Paul Rudolph, who was the dean of architecture at Yale. And there's a long story to that I won't bore your listeners with, but he redesigned the house for Halston. It wasn't designed originally for Halston, redesigned it for him when he moved in in nineteen seventy four, and then it was owned after that by Johnny Annelli and Gunter Sachs and it had been ripped apart sadly, and so I have basically put it back the way it was because it was pretty. It was pretty perfect.

Yeah, how cool.

Yeah, how cool.

But I mean, but that's sort of like your thumb print on so many things. You bring back, you make thinks sexy again, you bring things back. What you did, you know with Gucci, what you've done over the course of the town Ford, it's certainly my style. Thank you, You're welcome. We have very specific feelings about our cities. Tell me about Los Angeles. You're Los Angeles.

But I mean, but that's sort of like your thumb print on so many things. You bring back, you make thinks sexy again, you bring things back. What you did, you know with Gucci, what you've done over the course of the town Ford, it's certainly my style. Thank you, You're welcome. We have very specific feelings about our cities. Tell me about Los Angeles. You're Los Angeles.

I love LA.

I love LA.

I love the sun, I love the palm trees, I love the climate. I grew up in the American West, so I love space. I love the history of LA, you know. But I suppose I maybe live in the past imagination of the LA or what it was. I mean, you know of all those film sets, and you know, and life was never like you saw in the movies or you saw in press photos from let's say, the golden age of Hollywood. But that is what is still in my head. That has nothing to do with the reality of LA today.

I love the sun, I love the palm trees, I love the climate. I grew up in the American West, so I love space. I love the history of LA, you know. But I suppose I maybe live in the past imagination of the LA or what it was. I mean, you know of all those film sets, and you know, and life was never like you saw in the movies or you saw in press photos from let's say, the golden age of Hollywood. But that is what is still in my head. That has nothing to do with the reality of LA today.

You know.

You know.

LA is a very family oriented city. I love it when Richard was alive, you know, and everyone stays home in LA. It was one thing to me. Now that I am single, LA can be a very isolating place. You know, We're all in our cars. There's not street life the way there is in other cities like New York or London, and you can feel very isolated. And I'm feeling that at this moment and my life. And I lived in London for more than twenty years and I've just bought a place there and you did, I did, and I'm thinking of possibly moving back. Yeah, well I haven't told my son that yet, so I don't think he'll be listening.

LA is a very family oriented city. I love it when Richard was alive, you know, and everyone stays home in LA. It was one thing to me. Now that I am single, LA can be a very isolating place. You know, We're all in our cars. There's not street life the way there is in other cities like New York or London, and you can feel very isolated. And I'm feeling that at this moment and my life. And I lived in London for more than twenty years and I've just bought a place there and you did, I did, and I'm thinking of possibly moving back. Yeah, well I haven't told my son that yet, so I don't think he'll be listening.

To this podcast. Jack.

To this podcast. Jack.

He loves anyway, and he grew up there. We're up there till he was five. He had the most beautiful English accent, which now sounds very califul.

He loves anyway, and he grew up there. We're up there till he was five. He had the most beautiful English accent, which now sounds very califul.

You know, he's he's a special, special boy. We're basically neighbors, and which is like.

You know, he's he's a special, special boy. We're basically neighbors, and which is like.

Said, neighbors. Now, how many times do we see That's I'm saying.

Said, neighbors. Now, how many times do we see That's I'm saying.

And frequently live.

And frequently live.

Less than five minutes away from each other and we see each other, yeah, six times a year. But that's the way everyone is.

Less than five minutes away from each other and we see each other, yeah, six times a year. But that's the way everyone is.

As much as I would hate you doing that, you're going to move to New York.

As much as I would hate you doing that, you're going to move to New York.

Exactly, but I'm going to move to New York. And I'm also your daughter doesn't know that, now do they all know that?

Exactly, but I'm going to move to New York. And I'm also your daughter doesn't know that, now do they all know that?

I mean, I have four years, three and a half years, and I would like a room in your place in London, like maybe like a downstairs apartment that can just come and go when I visit.

I mean, I have four years, three and a half years, and I would like a room in your place in London, like maybe like a downstairs apartment that can just come and go when I visit.

And I do think London is a great.

And I do think London is a great.

The reason I like London is that it has all of the I mean, I have a place in New York, so I'm lucky. I get to go, you know where, whatever city I want. But what I like about London and it says all the cultural the features of New York, but it is a calmer city. If you're in your house in London, you can hear your clock tick, whereas in New York you hear a horns home, you've talked to, you feel the rumble of the way you feel. You open your door and you're just bombarded. Whereas in London you can open your door and there's a park in front of you, or a garden or a you know, it's a different a different rhythm.

The reason I like London is that it has all of the I mean, I have a place in New York, so I'm lucky. I get to go, you know where, whatever city I want. But what I like about London and it says all the cultural the features of New York, but it is a calmer city. If you're in your house in London, you can hear your clock tick, whereas in New York you hear a horns home, you've talked to, you feel the rumble of the way you feel. You open your door and you're just bombarded. Whereas in London you can open your door and there's a park in front of you, or a garden or a you know, it's a different a different rhythm.

So do you have will this happened soon? Yeah?

So do you have will this happened soon? Yeah?

No, Oh my gosh, what I don't know. I mean, I'm renovating it now. It'll be done in May, and we'll certainly spend the summer there.

No, Oh my gosh, what I don't know. I mean, I'm renovating it now. It'll be done in May, and we'll certainly spend the summer there.

And so we're thinking, all right, wow or not or not? Well, you don't know.

And so we're thinking, all right, wow or not or not? Well, you don't know.

As I said, I love la I'm not sure.

As I said, I love la I'm not sure.

Let me thank you that gosh, you have my mind going all around.

Let me thank you that gosh, you have my mind going all around.

So you I read something that I thought was super groovy and cool about you.

So you I read something that I thought was super groovy and cool about you.

What and if this is true all of it?

What and if this is true all of it?

Of course, you, when you were a young boy, used to rearrange your parents furniture, and I think.

Of course, you, when you were a young boy, used to rearrange your parents furniture, and I think.

And they let me do it. I think they realized I could do it better than they could. They went out to a movie. I grabbed a babysitter or nanny or whatever was with and I said, all right, we're moving the sof over here. We're pushing that over there. And I would say to my mother before she left me, I going to rearrange the living room when you leave, and she would say, Okay, go for it, go go ahead.

And they let me do it. I think they realized I could do it better than they could. They went out to a movie. I grabbed a babysitter or nanny or whatever was with and I said, all right, we're moving the sof over here. We're pushing that over there. And I would say to my mother before she left me, I going to rearrange the living room when you leave, and she would say, Okay, go for it, go go ahead.

That is so fun to me.

That is so fun to me.

And I think, you know my parents. My mother is still alive. She lives here in LA and she's great. But my parents were great. They allowed me to be creative really in any way that I wanted. They were very, very supportive always, and I think they knew that I enjoyed this and that I was good at it, and so okay, let him do it right.

And I think, you know my parents. My mother is still alive. She lives here in LA and she's great. But my parents were great. They allowed me to be creative really in any way that I wanted. They were very, very supportive always, and I think they knew that I enjoyed this and that I was good at it, and so okay, let him do it right.

That's very special. Do you let that happened with Jack? No way Jack wanted to change.

That's very special. Do you let that happened with Jack? No way Jack wanted to change.

He would be like, well, Jack has his own bedroom and playroom, and I mean, he can do whatever he wants in there, but no, can't touch the rest. And I don't know that I'll ever be able to be with anyone else romantically maybe yes, but I don't think I could live with anyone else. I mean, my are so perfectly. Somebody's gonna come in, so can I put my grandmother's chest right here?

He would be like, well, Jack has his own bedroom and playroom, and I mean, he can do whatever he wants in there, but no, can't touch the rest. And I don't know that I'll ever be able to be with anyone else romantically maybe yes, but I don't think I could live with anyone else. I mean, my are so perfectly. Somebody's gonna come in, so can I put my grandmother's chest right here?

And it's like, no, you would be so difficult to live with.

And it's like, no, you would be so difficult to live with.

Just so you know, I'm easy.

Just so you know, I'm easy.

No, from the that side of like putting things down, like you can't put that there.

No, from the that side of like putting things down, like you can't put that there.

Brian's somewhat like that, just not as bad.

Brian's somewhat like that, just not as bad.

I think the only way I could ever live with someone again was to keep my place, let them keep theirs, and then we get someplace together. Yeah that is because yeah, I'm very or they have to just be somebody who just lets me do it.

I think the only way I could ever live with someone again was to keep my place, let them keep theirs, and then we get someplace together. Yeah that is because yeah, I'm very or they have to just be somebody who just lets me do it.

Like that's you, that's your area.

Like that's you, that's your area.

Yeah, you're an incredibly talented art director.

Yeah, you're an incredibly talented art director.

Are you taking photographer? You really should have? Thank you, You're welcome. One of the things you do really well.

Are you taking photographer? You really should have? Thank you, You're welcome. One of the things you do really well.

And I think one of the reasons, like all your stuff is so sexy, is not just because of you, but how you present it.

And I think one of the reasons, like all your stuff is so sexy, is not just because of you, but how you present it.

You've leaned into that, You've leaned in.

You've leaned into that, You've leaned in.

An equal sectionality. I'm an equal opportunity objectifier. Yeah, I am just as happy to objectify men. You know, in our culture we objectify women all the time. We have used nude women or barely clad women to sell products for years, and I'm glad that finally, you know, they're you know, we're using men in that same way, and it's okay now for men to be sexy. So many straight guys will come to my shop. They're trying on a pair of pants and they want to turn and they want you to give them a mirror so they can look at their asses in the mirror. Now that when I was growing up was not something that happened. Men were not that aware of their bodies. And these straight guys, who's like, you know, what does my butt look like? Give me a mirror, And it's interesting the comfort level. And by the way, men are just as vain, if not more vain, than women, and I think they just haven't been given the license to be that way in the past, and increasingly they are.

An equal sectionality. I'm an equal opportunity objectifier. Yeah, I am just as happy to objectify men. You know, in our culture we objectify women all the time. We have used nude women or barely clad women to sell products for years, and I'm glad that finally, you know, they're you know, we're using men in that same way, and it's okay now for men to be sexy. So many straight guys will come to my shop. They're trying on a pair of pants and they want to turn and they want you to give them a mirror so they can look at their asses in the mirror. Now that when I was growing up was not something that happened. Men were not that aware of their bodies. And these straight guys, who's like, you know, what does my butt look like? Give me a mirror, And it's interesting the comfort level. And by the way, men are just as vain, if not more vain, than women, and I think they just haven't been given the license to be that way in the past, and increasingly they are.

I think that's been really exciting to watch and really exciting to see that change.

I think that's been really exciting to watch and really exciting to see that change.

And you bring up something else, which has then been the world we live in, which is.

And you bring up something else, which has then been the world we live in, which is.

This whole sort of cancel culture which bleeds into that, which bleeds into all these.

This whole sort of cancel culture which bleeds into that, which bleeds into all these.

Aspects of objectifying. Who feels objectified.

Aspects of objectifying. Who feels objectified.

It's hard as a fashion designer. If you want to celebrate a certain look or thing, you have to immediately think, Okay, where did this come from? What culture did this come from? Will this be considered appropriation when for me it's really celebration. I mean, there have been collections that I've done in the past, well not only collections that I've done, but music that's been created by others, art that's been created by others that you could not create in today's world because it would be considered appropriation. So you have to be very careful. It's affected the way we take pictures, it's affected the way I design, it's you know, you scrutinize ideas sometimes before you can even get them off the ground, which is very hard creatively because I think the best or for me, the most creative way to work is to just let loose and just throw everything out there and then rein it in.

It's hard as a fashion designer. If you want to celebrate a certain look or thing, you have to immediately think, Okay, where did this come from? What culture did this come from? Will this be considered appropriation when for me it's really celebration. I mean, there have been collections that I've done in the past, well not only collections that I've done, but music that's been created by others, art that's been created by others that you could not create in today's world because it would be considered appropriation. So you have to be very careful. It's affected the way we take pictures, it's affected the way I design, it's you know, you scrutinize ideas sometimes before you can even get them off the ground, which is very hard creatively because I think the best or for me, the most creative way to work is to just let loose and just throw everything out there and then rein it in.

Having lunch with Tom is super special to me. And Tom is not only one of the most incredible fashion designers as we all know, but he's an incredible filmmaker. And Thomas made two Academy Award nominated movies, A Single Man and Nocturnal animals. So let's get back to the table and find out what inspires Tom when it comes to making movies. If you walk through your career or you know your life, what I know of your early years and architecture and then going into design and then you know you're traveling Europe and your success, and then you go into the movie business, and you know, when I saw a single.

Having lunch with Tom is super special to me. And Tom is not only one of the most incredible fashion designers as we all know, but he's an incredible filmmaker. And Thomas made two Academy Award nominated movies, A Single Man and Nocturnal animals. So let's get back to the table and find out what inspires Tom when it comes to making movies. If you walk through your career or you know your life, what I know of your early years and architecture and then going into design and then you know you're traveling Europe and your success, and then you go into the movie business, and you know, when I saw a single.

Man is like a piece of art. It is beautiful.

Man is like a piece of art. It is beautiful.

Your your your your ability to go from fashion to creating a film?

Your your your your ability to go from fashion to creating a film?

Where did that? Where does that come from?

Where did that? Where does that come from?

And you have these two films that you've done there beautiful? Are you working on another film? And you also have my god, you're asking like five questions, and let's go.

And you have these two films that you've done there beautiful? Are you working on another film? And you also have my god, you're asking like five questions, and let's go.

Back to where where does it come from? Because I'm already forgetting what you ask. No, no, no, you can ask the second one after the first.

Back to where where does it come from? Because I'm already forgetting what you ask. No, no, no, you can ask the second one after the first.

Uh.

Uh.

They sort of lead that way. Yes, as you can tell, I'm very bossy, which right there is a good answer director.

They sort of lead that way. Yes, as you can tell, I'm very bossy, which right there is a good answer director.

The word director.

The word director.

It's something that comes naturally to me. You know, I am a creative director. I am used to working with the very best people in fashion. Let's just say, let's start with fashion. The very best people you have to have a vision. You have to know what you want to say as a fashion designer, but you have to lead and inspire this group of people. Fashion designer, I mean you assistant designers, seamstresses, hair and makeup people, lighting people. You have to get the best out of them. So you have to inspire them and you know, let them express themselves. But at the same time you have to sort of corralat ale and focus it into your vision, which is in my case, somewhat singular. You know, fashion is not a democracy, it's a dictatorship. And in the end, you know, if I design something is because that's exactly the way I want it. I've been called a control freak. I hate that word, but I think if my name is on something, it needs to be exactly the way. Sure, So yes, others somebody else can say maybe it should be like this, and I say, no, you should be like that, or yes, a great idea, right. So the same is true with film. As a film director, it's the same process. You have to have a vision, you have to know what you want to say. You have to hire the best people, bring out the best in them, the best actors, the best cinematographer of the best of everything, but yet you have to steer it all in a way that expresses your point of view and that you don't lose. So the process is not dissimilar. Also, the thing about fashion is we have people don't realize. Fashion designers have an enormous kind of hard drive loaded with images from almost every film that's ever been made. You know, when we start a collection, we pull images from you know, the twenties, the thirties, the forties, the fifties, the sixties, and most of them are from film where they're from, you know, So we have a grasp on culture, contemporary culture, past culture that I don't think most people realize. And that's very helpful when you're making a film to have, you know, to know all of the great you know, filmmakers that came.

It's something that comes naturally to me. You know, I am a creative director. I am used to working with the very best people in fashion. Let's just say, let's start with fashion. The very best people you have to have a vision. You have to know what you want to say as a fashion designer, but you have to lead and inspire this group of people. Fashion designer, I mean you assistant designers, seamstresses, hair and makeup people, lighting people. You have to get the best out of them. So you have to inspire them and you know, let them express themselves. But at the same time you have to sort of corralat ale and focus it into your vision, which is in my case, somewhat singular. You know, fashion is not a democracy, it's a dictatorship. And in the end, you know, if I design something is because that's exactly the way I want it. I've been called a control freak. I hate that word, but I think if my name is on something, it needs to be exactly the way. Sure, So yes, others somebody else can say maybe it should be like this, and I say, no, you should be like that, or yes, a great idea, right. So the same is true with film. As a film director, it's the same process. You have to have a vision, you have to know what you want to say. You have to hire the best people, bring out the best in them, the best actors, the best cinematographer of the best of everything, but yet you have to steer it all in a way that expresses your point of view and that you don't lose. So the process is not dissimilar. Also, the thing about fashion is we have people don't realize. Fashion designers have an enormous kind of hard drive loaded with images from almost every film that's ever been made. You know, when we start a collection, we pull images from you know, the twenties, the thirties, the forties, the fifties, the sixties, and most of them are from film where they're from, you know, So we have a grasp on culture, contemporary culture, past culture that I don't think most people realize. And that's very helpful when you're making a film to have, you know, to know all of the great you know, filmmakers that came.

Are there any that you can pull that you say I loved or her work growing up that influenced you?

Are there any that you can pull that you say I loved or her work growing up that influenced you?

Oh?

Oh?

God, so many.

God, so many.

I mean, you know, it's more like pick a decade and who was your favorite director from that period. You know, there was a moment and this maybe sounds I don't know whether this will sound great or not, but there was a moment in gay culture when it was really almost part of your responsibility as a gay man or woman to know every old film that was ever made and to be able to almost quote them, and that has been lost often. Now I'll mention to a younger friend that's gay. Oh you know, blah blah blah, something Betty Davis said in this film, or so and so said in that film where you know George. Do you remember that? Yeah? Yeah, and they don't know what you're talking about.

I mean, you know, it's more like pick a decade and who was your favorite director from that period. You know, there was a moment and this maybe sounds I don't know whether this will sound great or not, but there was a moment in gay culture when it was really almost part of your responsibility as a gay man or woman to know every old film that was ever made and to be able to almost quote them, and that has been lost often. Now I'll mention to a younger friend that's gay. Oh you know, blah blah blah, something Betty Davis said in this film, or so and so said in that film where you know George. Do you remember that? Yeah? Yeah, and they don't know what you're talking about.

You know, I did not get lost. You're one hundred percent right, We all knew.

You know, I did not get lost. You're one hundred percent right, We all knew.

So we now almost need to teach a gay cultural history class. I don't know.

So we now almost need to teach a gay cultural history class. I don't know.

That might be what you do, you know?

That might be what you do, you know?

Or maybe it's okay that we're losing it, because maybe it means that that you know that the world is becoming more homogenized. You can be gay, you can be straight, you can be Maybe we don't have to, you know, I look forward to this day when the phrase coming out of the closet will just completely disappear because you won't have to come out of a closet because you would never have been in a closet. And people will say, oh, it's getting there. You're dating her. Yeah, yeah, well weren't you dating him, Yes, but we broke up and now I'm dating her and it's just not even a thought. So I know I'm rambling, No, you're not right for the movies we've now gone on to.

Or maybe it's okay that we're losing it, because maybe it means that that you know that the world is becoming more homogenized. You can be gay, you can be straight, you can be Maybe we don't have to, you know, I look forward to this day when the phrase coming out of the closet will just completely disappear because you won't have to come out of a closet because you would never have been in a closet. And people will say, oh, it's getting there. You're dating her. Yeah, yeah, well weren't you dating him, Yes, but we broke up and now I'm dating her and it's just not even a thought. So I know I'm rambling, No, you're not right for the movies we've now gone on to.

No. But I think I think you're right.

No. But I think I think you're right.

I think that you know what, what I see with my nephews and some of their friends who are gay, is they don't there's no declaration.

I think that you know what, what I see with my nephews and some of their friends who are gay, is they don't there's no declaration.

There really is no more declaration.

There really is no more declaration.

So I think that one and one of the reasons I think that is happening is because of our generation, but specifically people like yourself, who have influenced culture, who have influenced style, who have brought the sexuality of men and women and kind of intertwined it. Tom, That's something, thank you, that a younger generation sees.

So I think that one and one of the reasons I think that is happening is because of our generation, but specifically people like yourself, who have influenced culture, who have influenced style, who have brought the sexuality of men and women and kind of intertwined it. Tom, That's something, thank you, that a younger generation sees.

So they might not know the Betty Davis line.

So they might not know the Betty Davis line.

They're looking at your images, your billboards, your commercials, your clothes, your runway shows, and they're seeing this fluidity.

They're looking at your images, your billboards, your commercials, your clothes, your runway shows, and they're seeing this fluidity.

That's the thing. After I've been fashion designer for about thirty five years and I've seen every style and trend home and go, and it constantly amazes me. You know, some of my younger assistants in my design studio there in their early twenties, and they'll come and show me something that like, yeah, we did that in nineteen eighty eight, And in my mind it's old because we've already done that, we did that in nineteen eighty eight, But to them it's so new. It was done twenty years before they were born, and they've never seen it before, and they get so excited. So it's constantly tricky to kind of keep your mind, at least in fashion. Yeah, so you have to surround yourself with young assistants to whom all of these things seem fresh, even though you've seen them in several incarnations previously.

That's the thing. After I've been fashion designer for about thirty five years and I've seen every style and trend home and go, and it constantly amazes me. You know, some of my younger assistants in my design studio there in their early twenties, and they'll come and show me something that like, yeah, we did that in nineteen eighty eight, And in my mind it's old because we've already done that, we did that in nineteen eighty eight, But to them it's so new. It was done twenty years before they were born, and they've never seen it before, and they get so excited. So it's constantly tricky to kind of keep your mind, at least in fashion. Yeah, so you have to surround yourself with young assistants to whom all of these things seem fresh, even though you've seen them in several incarnations previously.

When do you know like that it's because you sort of brought back a seventies vibe for a bit there.

When do you know like that it's because you sort of brought back a seventies vibe for a bit there.

Well, you know, it's interesting because I was talking to a friend who had just interviewed Georgia Harmani the other day, and my friend said, and he's a fashion journalist, he said, you know, if you could live in an era, just stylistically, what would it be? And I said the nineteen thirties And he said, that's what Georgia Armani said the other day when I interviewed him, And I said, well, it's the same because the early seventies were all about reviving the nineteen thirties, and then the nineties was my generation reviving the early seventies. So there and now everyone's reviving the nineties. So there's a constant revival. But what happens is it changes each time because our beauty standard changes. Today's beauty standard is hard and a little meaner and tougher than it was in the nineteen seventies, where in the nineteen seventies men and women were kissable. They were you know, you look at a beautiful woman in a fashion magazine in the nineteen seventies and just smiling. You know, women and men in fashion magazines and on the runway in that period used to smile. I mean Halston shows, you know, the models twirled down the runway with smile on their face, laughing, and fashion was joyous. Today every ad everyone's glaring at you and they're looking for me and tough or miserable. Those are the ones that kill me. Where it's like by this really expensive five thousand dollars coat, and you two can look miserable and mean and depressed.

Well, you know, it's interesting because I was talking to a friend who had just interviewed Georgia Harmani the other day, and my friend said, and he's a fashion journalist, he said, you know, if you could live in an era, just stylistically, what would it be? And I said the nineteen thirties And he said, that's what Georgia Armani said the other day when I interviewed him, And I said, well, it's the same because the early seventies were all about reviving the nineteen thirties, and then the nineties was my generation reviving the early seventies. So there and now everyone's reviving the nineties. So there's a constant revival. But what happens is it changes each time because our beauty standard changes. Today's beauty standard is hard and a little meaner and tougher than it was in the nineteen seventies, where in the nineteen seventies men and women were kissable. They were you know, you look at a beautiful woman in a fashion magazine in the nineteen seventies and just smiling. You know, women and men in fashion magazines and on the runway in that period used to smile. I mean Halston shows, you know, the models twirled down the runway with smile on their face, laughing, and fashion was joyous. Today every ad everyone's glaring at you and they're looking for me and tough or miserable. Those are the ones that kill me. Where it's like by this really expensive five thousand dollars coat, and you two can look miserable and mean and depressed.

So anything on the horizon.

So anything on the horizon.

But you're a couple of things. One is a screenplay that I finished right before COVID, and another is a property that I have that I need to get busy and finish the screenplay on. But I'm only now, as I said earlier, coming out of a kind of year long period of readjustment. And before that, Richard was quite ill. For a few years we had COVID. I didn't feel very creative.

But you're a couple of things. One is a screenplay that I finished right before COVID, and another is a property that I have that I need to get busy and finish the screenplay on. But I'm only now, as I said earlier, coming out of a kind of year long period of readjustment. And before that, Richard was quite ill. For a few years we had COVID. I didn't feel very creative.

No, no, no, I understand that though memo, everything is still sort of so perfect. I mean, I just you're you know, you walk into your store here in Los Angeles and Beverly Hills and it's just your Your line is just gorgeous.

No, no, no, I understand that though memo, everything is still sort of so perfect. I mean, I just you're you know, you walk into your store here in Los Angeles and Beverly Hills and it's just your Your line is just gorgeous.

What is what is spring?

What is what is spring?

What is Oh my god, you're not really going to do just a little bit, Oh my god, spring, Well for spring, I take off my jacket and I roll up my sleeves and that's called spring.

What is Oh my god, you're not really going to do just a little bit, Oh my god, spring, Well for spring, I take off my jacket and I roll up my sleeves and that's called spring.

What is that? What are the colors of spring?

What is that? What are the colors of spring?

Oh god, come on, we're not going to talk about fashion.

Oh god, come on, we're not going to talk about fashion.

We're not going to talk about We're done with fashion.

We're not going to talk about We're done with fashion.

Not that I don't love fashion, I do, but I think it's because it's my well, what would.

Not that I don't love fashion, I do, but I think it's because it's my well, what would.

You describe my fashion?

You describe my fashion?

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You take more fashion risks than most men. I know, really, I think of you as very definitely a fashion consumer, which is great because I know you wear a lot of my clothes, but they look good on you. You know, you take care of yourself, you know what works on you, you know what colors look great on you. You're not afraid to take risks, and so I would say you are the perfect male customer. I'm not just saying that because I'm sitting here having lunch with you being recorded, but actually it's true.

You take more fashion risks than most men. I know, really, I think of you as very definitely a fashion consumer, which is great because I know you wear a lot of my clothes, but they look good on you. You know, you take care of yourself, you know what works on you, you know what colors look great on you. You're not afraid to take risks, and so I would say you are the perfect male customer. I'm not just saying that because I'm sitting here having lunch with you being recorded, but actually it's true.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I however, because I work in fashion, and by the way, look at the runways and see what most fashion designers come out in at the end of the show. Most male fashion designers are in a pair of jeans with a pair of trainers, with a T shirt or something like that. Because all day long we spend time looking at clothes, and it's we're in fittings, we're looking at fabrics, we're looking at colors, and I think it's very hard to turn that back upon myself. I do it more in evening. You know, in LA don't wear evening clothes very much unless you're on a red carpet in London, for example. Though you know I would be in a tuxedo a couple of nights a week, and there are restaurants where you still have to wear a tie and you have to have on a jacket. And so you open a closet where I have evening clothes, and I probably have, you know, twenty different evening jackets, whereas per day I have a row of black suits or jeans. You know, I have sort of two looks. I have a look that I grew up in Santa Fe and I still wear. You've probably seen me in it, you know, beaten up jeans and nim shirt, a pair of boots. So I sort of have two uniforms and one is a suit. And you know, Jack, one of his teachers called me in a year or two ago and said, you know, we have a problem. And I said what And she said, well, Jack is telling some of the other boys that they're tacky. We're wearing shorts to school. And I said, well, I really don't think shorts should be allowed at school. I mean, Jack wears jeans and a T shirt.