In a session dedicated to the craft of genre writing, two experts join ABC Radio’s Rhianna Patrick to uncover what it really takes to deliver a tightly plotted narrative. Sarah Epstein (Deep Water) and Astrid Scholte (The Vanishing Deep) have made an art form out of testing their characters’ limits and finding new ways to torment both them and their readers. Find out how the tropes and narrative devices familiar to lovers of fantasy, science fiction and thrillers allow these writers to carve out inventive and thrilling plots of their own.

This conversation is part of our YA podcast series.