Veronica Heritage-Gorrie and Kathryn Heyman share insights into their powerful memoirs of adversity and perseverance with the author of Who Gets To Be Smart, Bri Lee (and another special guest: Veronica’s grandchild). Veronica’s Black and Blue: a memoir of racism and resilience tells of her experiences as an Aboriginal police officer fighting for justice within and beyond Australia’s deeply compromised law-enforcement system. Kathryn’s Fury is the account of her year-long stint as a fishing trawler deckhand in the Timor Sea, which reshaped a life marked by poverty and abuse. Together, they explore the transformative power of giving form to your experiences. 

Please note, this episode contains references to topics such as the Stolen Generations and sexual assault.