Norman Swan and his son Jonathan Swan are two of Australia’s most discerning and dedicated journalistic minds. Over the past year, Australian audiences have looked to Norman, renowned physician, journalist, broadcaster and host of ABC Radio National’s Health Report and ABC’s Coronacast, and Jonathan, former Sydney Morning Herald reporter and now National Political Correspondent at Axios in the US – and host of that viral Trump interview from 2020 – as guiding voices of reason. In this special podcast, they discuss their careers in journalism and whether there’s a Swan family secret to great reporting, with ABC’s Geraldine Doogue.