For more than 15 years, Walkley Award–winning journalist Sophie McNeill has reported on some of the most war-ravaged and oppressive places on earth, including Syria, Gaza and Iraq. Her memoir, We Can’t Say We Didn’t Know tells the human stories behind the headlines – from Saudi women seeking asylum to imprisoned Uyghurs and Hong Kong protesters – and reflects more broadly on what happens when evidence and facts become debatable, and why disinformation and impunity now reign supreme. Australia Director at Human Rights Watch Elaine Pearson joins Sophie in conversation.