Australia’s unofficial poet laureate Paul Kelly has spent a career putting words to – and making poetry of – our lives. His ‘mongrel memoir’ How to Make Gravy was described as “a manual on how to look at things, how to pay attention” (Australian Book Review) while his anthology Love is Strong as Death collects those poems that inspire and challenge him – and in turn, inspire us. Paul joins Wiradjuri and Kamilaroi writer Stan Grant (With the Falling of the Dusk) for a memorable conversation about the role of literature and poetry in their lives and the power of a story sung well.