Jo Lennan and Laura Jean McKay have written two brilliant, wholly original books that examine humanity and animality as a wave of extinctions gathers force. They are joined by the Wheeler Centre’s Veronica Sullivan to discuss how their work invites us to rethink our relationship with animals and why our fate is tied to the creatures we share the planet with. The stories in Jo’s In the Time of Foxes are united by the clever, dangerous spirit of the fox. Laura’s The Animals in That Country conjures an Australia in which the victims of a pandemic begin to understand the language of animals.