Ka mua, ka muri. To walk into the future facing backwards. What exactly does that mean? If you let your imagination explore that idea for a second you might start to get an idea. How do we, specifically pākehā New Zealanders, move into the future with an eye on our history, personal, national, religious etc, to help guide our actions. What implications does this have for how we live?

Join Petra Bagust in this episode as she explores the whakatauki of ka mua, ka muri. Petra's first guest is Dr Alistair Reese. Alistair gave the dawn service kauhau/sermon at Waitangi Day 2024 and has a PhD in Theology titled 'Reconciliation and the Quest for Pākehā Identity in Aotearoa New Zealand'. He has a new book out, all about the history of the relationship between Māori and Pākehā (with a specific focus on the church) called He Tatau Pounamu. You can buy a copy here.

Petra is also joined by Elliot Collins. Artist, teacher and Dr (another one!), Petra wanted to talk to her friend Elliot to find out what it means to him to live as a treaty partner in day to day life. 

Sacred Texts:
Clip from Dr Alistair Reese's kauhau/sermon delivered during the dawn service at Waitangi 2024

Music:
Innerspace by The Apples in Stereo (played at end of Alistair's interview)
Treaty by Moana and the Tribe
music for indigo by Adrianne Lenker (played during the candle segment)
Pepeha by Six60
Frolic by Jake Xerxes Fussell (played at the end of Elliot's interview)
Start Somewhere by Courtney Barnett (played to end the episode)

Ka mua, ka muri. To walk into the future facing backwards. What exactly does that mean? If you let your imagination explore that idea for a second you might start to get an idea. How do we, specifically pākehā New Zealanders, move into the future with an eye on our history, personal, national, religious etc, to help guide our actions. What implications does this have for how we live?
Join Petra Bagust in this episode as she explores the whakatauki of ka mua, ka muri. Petra's first guest is Dr Alistair Reese. Alistair gave the dawn service kauhau/sermon at Waitangi Day 2024 and has a PhD in Theology titled 'Reconciliation and the Quest for Pākehā Identity in Aotearoa New Zealand'. He has a new book out, all about the history of the relationship between Māori and Pākehā (with a specific focus on the church) called He Tatau Pounamu. You can buy a copy <a href="https://store.venn.org.nz/products/he-tatau-pounamu">here.</a>
Petra is also joined by Elliot Collins. Artist, teacher and Dr (another one!), Petra wanted to talk to her friend Elliot to find out what it means to him to live as a treaty partner in day to day life. 
Sacred Texts:
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4eRe0ue5OE&amp;t=416s&amp;pp=ygUXYWxpc3RhaXIgcmVlc2Ugd2FpdGFuZ2k%3D">Clip</a> from Dr Alistair Reese's kauhau/sermon delivered during the dawn service at Waitangi 2024</li>
</ul>
Music:
<ul>
<li>Innerspace by The Apples in Stereo (played at end of Alistair's interview)</li>
<li>Treaty by Moana and the Tribe</li>
<li>music for indigo by Adrianne Lenker (played during the candle segment)</li>
<li>Pepeha by Six60</li>
<li>Frolic by Jake Xerxes Fussell (played at the end of Elliot's interview)</li>
<li>Start Somewhere by Courtney Barnett (played to end the episode)</li>
</ul>

Whether you are seeking a moment of calm in your busy life, looking for guidance on your spiritual journey, or simply curious about new ideas and perspectives, Sunday Sanctuary is the perfect show for you. 

Inspired by the idea of creating a sanctuary, a safe and peaceful place where people can retreat from the chaos and noise of the outside world. 

Sunday Sanctuary seeks to create that kind of sanctuary for its listeners, where they can take a moment to pause, reflect, and connect with their inner selves.

Join Petra Bagust every second Sunday morning and experience the power of this unique podcast.

Be part of the Sunday Sanctuary community on Instagram and Facebook at @sundaysanctuarynz.

Whether you are seeking a moment of calm in your busy life, looking for guidance on your spiritual journey, or simply curious about new ideas and perspectives, Sunday Sanctuary is the perfect show for you. 
Inspired by the idea of creating a sanctuary, a safe and peaceful place where people can retreat from the chaos and noise of the outside world. 
Sunday Sanctuary seeks to create that kind of sanctuary for its listeners, where they can take a moment to pause, reflect, and connect with their inner selves.
Join Petra Bagust every second Sunday morning and experience the power of this unique podcast.
Be part of the Sunday Sanctuary community on Instagram and Facebook at @sundaysanctuarynz.

Sunday Sanctuary with Petra Bagust

Whether you are seeking a moment of calm in your busy life, looking for inspiration on your spiritual journey, or simply curious about new ideas and perspectives, Sunday Sanctuary is the show for you. It is a safe space for spiritual conversations that nourish the soul.

Inspired by the idea of creating a contemplative space in a busy world, Sunday Sanctuary encourages listeners to take a moment to pause, reflect, and connect with their wairua.

Join Petra Bagust every second Sunday morning and experience this unique show.

Be part of the Sunday Sanctuary community on Instagram and Facebook at @sundaysanctuarynz.

Whether you are seeking a moment of calm in your busy life, looking for inspiration on your spiritual journey, or simply curious about new ideas and perspectives, Sunday Sanctuary is the show for you. It is a safe space for spiritual conversations that nourish the soul.
Inspired by the idea of creating a contemplative space in a busy world, Sunday Sanctuary encourages listeners to take a moment to pause, reflect, and connect with their wairua.
Join Petra Bagust every second Sunday morning and experience this unique show.
Be part of the Sunday Sanctuary community on Instagram and Facebook at @sundaysanctuarynz.