Keith O’Brien joins Stugotz to discuss his upcoming book Heartland: A Forgotten Place, an Impossible Dream, and the Miracle of Larry Bird, a deep dive into the roots, rise, and lasting legacy of Larry Bird. O’Brien shares untold stories about Bird’s upbringing in small-town Indiana and reveals how close we came to never knowing the story of Larry Bird, who could have faded into obscurity after leaving Bobby Knight’s Indiana program. Could a 1978–79 Indiana State team happen in today's college basketball, and why were the Sycamores never able to capitalize on having one of the best basketball players ever?