Hi, everybody. Chuck here on Saturday.

Hi, everybody. Chuck here on Saturday.

I am in charge of picking out the Saturday Select this week, and this week we're doing a two parter, so you're going to hear the first part today and then next week Josh we'll have his selection, and then the following week you can listen to part two. Or you can just get creative and type with your little fingies on the internet and get part two on your own.

I am in charge of picking out the Saturday Select this week, and this week we're doing a two parter, so you're going to hear the first part today and then next week Josh we'll have his selection, and then the following week you can listen to part two. Or you can just get creative and type with your little fingies on the internet and get part two on your own.

If you just can't wait two weeks. But here is part one from December twenty six, twenty seventeen. All the seven Wonders of the Ancient World work. Part one.

If you just can't wait two weeks. But here is part one from December twenty six, twenty seventeen. All the seven Wonders of the Ancient World work. Part one.

Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles W Chuck Bryant there.

I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles W Chuck Bryant there.

Wait wait, I know you thought I was going.

Wait wait, I know you thought I was going.

To say Jerry, but you're wrong because it's Nol today, guest producer Nol, and that makes this stuff you should know.

To say Jerry, but you're wrong because it's Nol today, guest producer Nol, and that makes this stuff you should know.

That's right?

That's right?

How you doing?

How you doing?

I'm good? Noel?

I'm good? Noel?

Who is the uh the eighth Wonder of the ancient world?

Who is the uh the eighth Wonder of the ancient world?

He is and the modern world too.

He is and the modern world too.

He spans He spans space and time.

He spans He spans space and time.

Yes, like the Colossus spanned the Harbor of Roads or did it it didn't. We're gonna learn a lot, Chuck, I'm so excited about this one.

Yes, like the Colossus spanned the Harbor of Roads or did it it didn't. We're gonna learn a lot, Chuck, I'm so excited about this one.

Oh yeah, these two? You mean these two?

Oh yeah, these two? You mean these two?

That's right?

That's right?

Yeah, I hit upon it, and I'm like, this is a two parter right here, and I can't believe we haven't done this already. Like everybody knows about the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, but nobody knows about the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, you know.

Yeah, I hit upon it, and I'm like, this is a two parter right here, and I can't believe we haven't done this already. Like everybody knows about the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, but nobody knows about the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, you know.

What I mean, Nobody knows about them at all.

What I mean, Nobody knows about them at all.

It's like a perfect, perfect stuff you should know episode if you ask me times two, Well, the sequel, that's right. So to get started, we probably would Let's just give a brief overview of the Seven Wonders.

It's like a perfect, perfect stuff you should know episode if you ask me times two, Well, the sequel, that's right. So to get started, we probably would Let's just give a brief overview of the Seven Wonders.

Okay, let's do you.

Okay, let's do you.

Just want to like name them?

Just want to like name them?

Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna do them chronologically too, Okay.

Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna do them chronologically too, Okay.

Oh is that how they're listed for me?

Oh is that how they're listed for me?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Okay, Well, then first up we have the the the Great Pyramid, the Great Pyramid of Giza.

Okay, Well, then first up we have the the the Great Pyramid, the Great Pyramid of Giza.

Right, and then after that, again chronologically, there's the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and apparently there used to be it used to be the walls of Babylon in addition to the hanging Gardens of Babylon, but they were removed later, right, and then what's next, chuck.

Right, and then after that, again chronologically, there's the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and apparently there used to be it used to be the walls of Babylon in addition to the hanging Gardens of Babylon, but they were removed later, right, and then what's next, chuck.

The Temple of Artemies at.

The Temple of Artemies at.

Here we go the Temple of Artemis at Ephesus Ephesus either one Artemis at Ephesus, nice man.

Here we go the Temple of Artemis at Ephesus Ephesus either one Artemis at Ephesus, nice man.

And then there's a statue of Zeus at Olympia, which I have to admit I had not heard of before.

And then there's a statue of Zeus at Olympia, which I have to admit I had not heard of before.

I had heard of that one. I think, I think a couple of these.

I had heard of that one. I think, I think a couple of these.

I felt bad because maybe I had disregarded some of this and wonders of the ancient world because a couple of these were news to me.

I felt bad because maybe I had disregarded some of this and wonders of the ancient world because a couple of these were news to me.

Oh yeah, okay, so that one was for me. The Mausoleum at Halli Carnassis was also new for me too.

Oh yeah, okay, so that one was for me. The Mausoleum at Halli Carnassis was also new for me too.

Yeah. Colossus of Rhodes old hat.

Yeah. Colossus of Rhodes old hat.

Sure everybody knows that one.

Sure everybody knows that one.

Come on, yeah, Like, I've got Colossus of Roads underwear on right now.

Come on, yeah, Like, I've got Colossus of Roads underwear on right now.

I know you wear you got that whole style where you wear the sage and you show your underwear too, That's right.

I know you wear you got that whole style where you wear the sage and you show your underwear too, That's right.

And then finally the Lighthouse of Alexandria m h which is I think I had heard of that one. But when you put these all together, it is not. It is no small list.

And then finally the Lighthouse of Alexandria m h which is I think I had heard of that one. But when you put these all together, it is not. It is no small list.

No, And so this list, like you may wonder who put this list together, you know, maybe Jacques Cousteau, maybe Bertrand Russell, who knows. It's actually way way way older than that. This list goes back to the time of ancient Greece, actually, and they're not entirely certain who wrote the first one, but there were several people who kind of took the list and added to it or subtracted to it. And there's a bunch of candidates for who had written the list, But the one I saw that's pretty roundly considered probably the first one to have written a list is Deodorus Sicilis, or Diodorus of Sicily. And the reason that these lists were made was because at the time Greece had done a pretty good job of subjugating a lot of the areas around it, like Turkey, Persia, Babylon, and these places were now safe for Greeks to go visit. And because the Greeks, who were wealthy and had a lot of leisure time, they actually became some of the world's first tourists, international tourists, And that was basically the point of the list of the Seven Wonders of the ancient world was hey, you should go visit these things, go to these places and see these things, and so some people would go do I think it was probably a point of pride to be able to say I've seen all seven what they called theamatta.

No, And so this list, like you may wonder who put this list together, you know, maybe Jacques Cousteau, maybe Bertrand Russell, who knows. It's actually way way way older than that. This list goes back to the time of ancient Greece, actually, and they're not entirely certain who wrote the first one, but there were several people who kind of took the list and added to it or subtracted to it. And there's a bunch of candidates for who had written the list, But the one I saw that's pretty roundly considered probably the first one to have written a list is Deodorus Sicilis, or Diodorus of Sicily. And the reason that these lists were made was because at the time Greece had done a pretty good job of subjugating a lot of the areas around it, like Turkey, Persia, Babylon, and these places were now safe for Greeks to go visit. And because the Greeks, who were wealthy and had a lot of leisure time, they actually became some of the world's first tourists, international tourists, And that was basically the point of the list of the Seven Wonders of the ancient world was hey, you should go visit these things, go to these places and see these things, and so some people would go do I think it was probably a point of pride to be able to say I've seen all seven what they called theamatta.

Yeah, theamata translates as things to be seen, or if you want to get even more modern, it's literally like here are your mussies if you're going on vacation.

Yeah, theamata translates as things to be seen, or if you want to get even more modern, it's literally like here are your mussies if you're going on vacation.

Right.

Right.

It was kind of like the first travel website.

It was kind of like the first travel website.

Kind of, but it was just a list.

Kind of, but it was just a list.

Yeah, I mean it wasn't on the web yet. That would take a couple hundred years.

Yeah, I mean it wasn't on the web yet. That would take a couple hundred years.

Sure, at least a couple hundred because these guys they did live in like the third, fourth, fifth centuries BCE, right, Yeah, so over time this list, like I said it was, it started out I think with the Great Pyramid has always been on there, sure, hanging gardens have always been on there, Temple of Artemis, stato Zeus, the Mausoleum, the classes of roads, and then I think the lighthouse at Alexandria may not have been on and it was the wall of the Walls of Babylon, and they said we've already got Babylon covered, you guys. This lighthouse is to be seen, so it was eventually compiled and that list. So the list itself is pretty ancient too.

Sure, at least a couple hundred because these guys they did live in like the third, fourth, fifth centuries BCE, right, Yeah, so over time this list, like I said it was, it started out I think with the Great Pyramid has always been on there, sure, hanging gardens have always been on there, Temple of Artemis, stato Zeus, the Mausoleum, the classes of roads, and then I think the lighthouse at Alexandria may not have been on and it was the wall of the Walls of Babylon, and they said we've already got Babylon covered, you guys. This lighthouse is to be seen, so it was eventually compiled and that list. So the list itself is pretty ancient too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

In Babylon, if they had one motto, it was come for the gardens, stay for the wall.

In Babylon, if they had one motto, it was come for the gardens, stay for the wall.

For sure, you know.

For sure, you know.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So out of all of those, the the only ones that are still around actually is the Great Pyramid.

So out of all of those, the the only ones that are still around actually is the Great Pyramid.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean there are bits of some of these in various museums, most notably the British Museum.

I mean there are bits of some of these in various museums, most notably the British Museum.

Yeah. And there are some ruins on the site still.

Yeah. And there are some ruins on the site still.

Yeah, here and there, some ruins underwater here and there. I used to have you been to a lot of ruins?

Yeah, here and there, some ruins underwater here and there. I used to have you been to a lot of ruins?

I've been to Pompeii? You me and I went. It was kind of the fulfillment of a lifelong dream.

I've been to Pompeii? You me and I went. It was kind of the fulfillment of a lifelong dream.

Yeah. Yeah, have you been to Pompeii? Yeah?

Yeah. Yeah, have you been to Pompeii? Yeah?

No, what ruins have you been to?

No, what ruins have you been to?

Just your your your garden variety ruins like in Rome, that kind of thing.

Just your your your garden variety ruins like in Rome, that kind of thing.

Oh yeah, man, the call to see them, yeah, that was something to be seen.

Oh yeah, man, the call to see them, yeah, that was something to be seen.

Huh.

Huh.

Yeah, I mean it's part of me. Like when I go to see ruins, it's it's really cool because I try and take myself back to that time. But then when I stand back and look at it and it's current surroundings, sometimes it get a little.

Yeah, I mean it's part of me. Like when I go to see ruins, it's it's really cool because I try and take myself back to that time. But then when I stand back and look at it and it's current surroundings, sometimes it get a little.

Sad because there's a lot of people like chewing gum and on their phone and stuff.

Sad because there's a lot of people like chewing gum and on their phone and stuff.

Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah man, and.

Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah man, and.

Especially well we'll talk about the pyramids, but you know you have you seen the famous pizza hut pictures?

Especially well we'll talk about the pyramids, but you know you have you seen the famous pizza hut pictures?

No, what are you talking about?

No, what are you talking about?

Well, you know that the pyramids.

Well, you know that the pyramids.

Oh is that a photoshopped No, it's not photoshopped. The Pyramids back right up or I guess front, right up to Cairo, So you always see the image looking at the Pyramids from Cairo. If you see the image looking the other way, there's like a city right button up against.

Oh is that a photoshopped No, it's not photoshopped. The Pyramids back right up or I guess front, right up to Cairo, So you always see the image looking at the Pyramids from Cairo. If you see the image looking the other way, there's like a city right button up against.

It, right, and an ancient Egyptian in the foreground turns of the camera, the single tear coming down in his eye, his cheek, but.

It, right, and an ancient Egyptian in the foreground turns of the camera, the single tear coming down in his eye, his cheek, but.

He was really Italian. Right, No, there's there there's a literally a pizza hut KFC.

He was really Italian. Right, No, there's there there's a literally a pizza hut KFC.

Which you could do worse facing it could be facing the Great Pyramids of Egypt and the Sphinx, and and one of the windows.

Which you could do worse facing it could be facing the Great Pyramids of Egypt and the Sphinx, and and one of the windows.

Of the pizza hut there's the Pizza Hut logo.

Of the pizza hut there's the Pizza Hut logo.

And if you stand inside that pizza hut you can take a photograph of that Pizza Hut cap and logo kind of sitting on top of the pyramid, and so you know, there are all kinds of photos now of Pizza Hut, and it's just it's sort of you know, it's not it speaks of the times, you know, sure, which is what I talked about being a little sad. There's a pizza hut, there's a friggin Kentucky Fried Chicken yards from the Great Pyramids.

And if you stand inside that pizza hut you can take a photograph of that Pizza Hut cap and logo kind of sitting on top of the pyramid, and so you know, there are all kinds of photos now of Pizza Hut, and it's just it's sort of you know, it's not it speaks of the times, you know, sure, which is what I talked about being a little sad. There's a pizza hut, there's a friggin Kentucky Fried Chicken yards from the Great Pyramids.

Yeah, I know how I feel about that.

Yeah, I know how I feel about that.

I guess, well, I think it's pretty clear how you feel about it.

I guess, well, I think it's pretty clear how you feel about it.

You don't like it, I don't know, But I mean you can't say, like, no, what are you going to have a restaurant here? You can't do anything. It's just it is what it is, you know.

You don't like it, I don't know, But I mean you can't say, like, no, what are you going to have a restaurant here? You can't do anything. It's just it is what it is, you know.

Yeah, I mean it's not like you're gonna live without KFC for a second.

Yeah, I mean it's not like you're gonna live without KFC for a second.

That's true. I would challenge some KFC if I was over there too.

That's true. I would challenge some KFC if I was over there too.

The very famous one by the Pyramids.

The very famous one by the Pyramids.

I know what you mean. Though, Sure, you know it was kind of a little weird.

I know what you mean. Though, Sure, you know it was kind of a little weird.

But at the same time, you're like, wow, you know this thing was built by slaves who died working, So maybe the KFC is actually preferable in some ways, you know.

But at the same time, you're like, wow, you know this thing was built by slaves who died working, So maybe the KFC is actually preferable in some ways, you know.

Yeah, And maybe that's what I should feel sad about.

Yeah, And maybe that's what I should feel sad about.

Sure, just feel sad about both.

Sure, just feel sad about both.

Okay, So let's go to the Great Pyramids of Giza, and there's actually if you go, oh, we're gonna really wear out the way Back machine.

Okay, So let's go to the Great Pyramids of Giza, and there's actually if you go, oh, we're gonna really wear out the way Back machine.

Huh. Yeah, this gassed it up.

Huh. Yeah, this gassed it up.

It's ready, and I got a new air fresher, and you like it.

It's ready, and I got a new air fresher, and you like it.

I'm not big on the Pineapple, but it's all right, hill the old Pineapple.

I'm not big on the Pineapple, but it's all right, hill the old Pineapple.

We can swap it out for the second part. Okay, Okay, So we're gonna get in the way Back machine and if you go, we're actually just going to go back a couple of days because we're going in modern times. But if we're gonna look at the Great Pyramid at Giza, there's actually just one of them that's on the list of the seven Wonders of the Ancient World. It's one particular one, the Pyramid of Kufu or Chaops is what the Greeks call them, and his is the biggest pyramid of them all.

We can swap it out for the second part. Okay, Okay, So we're gonna get in the way Back machine and if you go, we're actually just going to go back a couple of days because we're going in modern times. But if we're gonna look at the Great Pyramid at Giza, there's actually just one of them that's on the list of the seven Wonders of the Ancient World. It's one particular one, the Pyramid of Kufu or Chaops is what the Greeks call them, and his is the biggest pyramid of them all.

Yeah, I mean there are more than more than or exactly eighty pyramids scattered across Egypt, various sizes, and they're imagine they're all pretty great to go look at. But the big daddy of them all, like you said, is Cufu k h U f U, and it is It is the one you know that you can get with a pizza hut cap on top.

Yeah, I mean there are more than more than or exactly eighty pyramids scattered across Egypt, various sizes, and they're imagine they're all pretty great to go look at. But the big daddy of them all, like you said, is Cufu k h U f U, and it is It is the one you know that you can get with a pizza hut cap on top.

Right.

Right.

It's the main dude there with the three pyramids, with the sphinx standing by watching over Kentucky Fried Chicken to make sure nobody robs it.

It's the main dude there with the three pyramids, with the sphinx standing by watching over Kentucky Fried Chicken to make sure nobody robs it.

Well, it actually would work really well for that pizza hut cap because it's the one of the three. You always see the three together. The other two are the Pyramid of men Kuar and the other one is Pyramid of Coffrey, and they're smaller, but if you'll notice those two have points. Yeah, the biggest one, the Pyramid of Cufu, has a flat top. Like it just knew that that pizza hut was coming in four thousand years, right. But so we know so little about this pyramid that they're not entirely certain if this is true or not. But there's a pretty widespread theory that that pyramid was actually unfinished.

Well, it actually would work really well for that pizza hut cap because it's the one of the three. You always see the three together. The other two are the Pyramid of men Kuar and the other one is Pyramid of Coffrey, and they're smaller, but if you'll notice those two have points. Yeah, the biggest one, the Pyramid of Cufu, has a flat top. Like it just knew that that pizza hut was coming in four thousand years, right. But so we know so little about this pyramid that they're not entirely certain if this is true or not. But there's a pretty widespread theory that that pyramid was actually unfinished.

Oh really, mm hmm. They couldn't bring those final stones. Huh.

Oh really, mm hmm. They couldn't bring those final stones. Huh.

Maybe everybody involved died or there was a change in dynasty or something. But they think and there's other evidence we'll talk about, but it seems like it might have been unfinished.

Maybe everybody involved died or there was a change in dynasty or something. But they think and there's other evidence we'll talk about, but it seems like it might have been unfinished.

Didn't Napoleon shoot off the nose of the sphinx? Or is that a Is that an old wives tale? No?

Didn't Napoleon shoot off the nose of the sphinx? Or is that a Is that an old wives tale? No?

That was isis?

That was isis?

Oh?

Oh?

Okay, probably so, Chuck.

Okay, probably so, Chuck.

One of the things that's so great about this pyramid is just how massive it is, right, Yes, it's it's tall.

One of the things that's so great about this pyramid is just how massive it is, right, Yes, it's it's tall.

It's very tall.

It's very tall.

It's like four hundred and eighty feet tall, which that's that's a substantial height if you ask me.

It's like four hundred and eighty feet tall, which that's that's a substantial height if you ask me.

Yeah, I mean for a long time it was one of the tallest or the tallest building in the world, which is amazing.

Yeah, I mean for a long time it was one of the tallest or the tallest building in the world, which is amazing.

Yeah, until the fourteenth century when Lincoln Cathedral in England finally topped it. So for almost for about thirty four hundred years it stood as the tallest structure, the man made, human made structure in the world.

Yeah, until the fourteenth century when Lincoln Cathedral in England finally topped it. So for almost for about thirty four hundred years it stood as the tallest structure, the man made, human made structure in the world.

It's hard to believe.

It's hard to believe.

Yeah, it's pretty cool.

Yeah, it's pretty cool.

And then its side, each side at the base is about seven hundred and fifty five feet long. They're just massive, massive structures.

And then its side, each side at the base is about seven hundred and fifty five feet long. They're just massive, massive structures.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And you know how I was talking about the fact that it's uh, it just butted right, up against Cairo at least is not surrounding, like the city is not just on all sides. So if you do look at it from the city, it's on the Giza Plateau and that is still you know, I'm not sure how far it goes back, but you know, a nice wide aerial shots. Looks like most of that plateau is pretty preserved, right at least, So.

And you know how I was talking about the fact that it's uh, it just butted right, up against Cairo at least is not surrounding, like the city is not just on all sides. So if you do look at it from the city, it's on the Giza Plateau and that is still you know, I'm not sure how far it goes back, but you know, a nice wide aerial shots. Looks like most of that plateau is pretty preserved, right at least, So.

This the whole thing.

This the whole thing.

The pyramid was built sometime during the reign of King Kufu, appropriately enough, and the king reign from I think twenty five eighty nine to twenty five sixty six, So it's pretty old pyramid, and it's it's you know, and it's made of just a ton of blocks cut blocks, right. One of the things like if you go on some sites, you'll find people who just kind of poopoo the pyramids, like it's just pile piles of stone. Oh, clearly, But it's actually pretty clever engineering, especially considering how long ago it was built. It's not just a pilot stone. There's a lot of corridors and shafts and rooms, and the engineers had to take into account where to place these things so that the structure didn't collapse in on itself as it aged. So it is a pretty big feed of engineering just in addition to its size, you know.

The pyramid was built sometime during the reign of King Kufu, appropriately enough, and the king reign from I think twenty five eighty nine to twenty five sixty six, So it's pretty old pyramid, and it's it's you know, and it's made of just a ton of blocks cut blocks, right. One of the things like if you go on some sites, you'll find people who just kind of poopoo the pyramids, like it's just pile piles of stone. Oh, clearly, But it's actually pretty clever engineering, especially considering how long ago it was built. It's not just a pilot stone. There's a lot of corridors and shafts and rooms, and the engineers had to take into account where to place these things so that the structure didn't collapse in on itself as it aged. So it is a pretty big feed of engineering just in addition to its size, you know.

Yeah, I mean there are more than two million pile of stones. Who says that.

Yeah, I mean there are more than two million pile of stones. Who says that.

Some people online?

Some people online?

Yeah, more than two million limestone and granite blocks, the weight of about six and a half million tons.

Yeah, more than two million limestone and granite blocks, the weight of about six and a half million tons.

And these things are.

And these things are.

Engineered such that they it's about a fifty one degree slope on each side, and each side faces exactly to the four cardinal directions.

Engineered such that they it's about a fifty one degree slope on each side, and each side faces exactly to the four cardinal directions.

So it's pretty impressive.

So it's pretty impressive.

Yeah, that's no accident. It's not like it just happened to land that way. It was all done very much on purpose. These rocks fit together, the blocks really really tightly, less than a fiftieth of an inch separating them. So that right there is why these things are still standing, you know, right.

Yeah, that's no accident. It's not like it just happened to land that way. It was all done very much on purpose. These rocks fit together, the blocks really really tightly, less than a fiftieth of an inch separating them. So that right there is why these things are still standing, you know, right.

And so when you look at the pyramid, it's actually so I think I said four hundred and eighty feet. I think it's four hundred and fifty five feet at its height. Originally it was four hundred and eighty feet and it was also encased in limestone.

And so when you look at the pyramid, it's actually so I think I said four hundred and eighty feet. I think it's four hundred and fifty five feet at its height. Originally it was four hundred and eighty feet and it was also encased in limestone.

Well did it originally have the point then?

Well did it originally have the point then?

I don't think so, because I think they would. I think there's some other stuff that suggests that it was unfinished too. I don't know if it ever had the point. I don't know if anybody knows for certain, but it seems like it hadn't been put on yet.

I don't think so, because I think they would. I think there's some other stuff that suggests that it was unfinished too. I don't know if it ever had the point. I don't know if anybody knows for certain, but it seems like it hadn't been put on yet.

Like an inscription at the top that's just not quite done.

Like an inscription at the top that's just not quite done.

Well, that's one of the things.

Well, that's one of the things.

That's one of the reasons why they think that it wasn't done, because it's lacking inscriptions that other pyramids have, like in ass Oh, it doesn't have any no more like we dedicate this to the Sun god raw and the name of King Kufu.

That's one of the reasons why they think that it wasn't done, because it's lacking inscriptions that other pyramids have, like in ass Oh, it doesn't have any no more like we dedicate this to the Sun god raw and the name of King Kufu.

And blah blah blah, right, yeah, the usual.

And blah blah blah, right, yeah, the usual.

So it's lacking any kind of inscriptions. The king's burial chamber, the actual sarcophagus, which is just this huge, massive stone that they actually built the chamber around. It's not like they built the room and then imported this thing. It's bigger than any entrance to the room. But it's it's kind of rough, it's got some cut marks still showing, and it was obviously not finished. And then the other reason why they think that it wasn't ever finished, Chuck, was that there's no evidence that anyone ever found any treasure loot bodies anything. Yeah, it's like it's this dead, empty place that has never been used. Ironically too and tomb dead people into it was just never finished either. So that's one theory that it was finished and never used. Another one is that it actually was looted, and it was looted so thoroughly that there's just not even evidence of it being looted.

So it's lacking any kind of inscriptions. The king's burial chamber, the actual sarcophagus, which is just this huge, massive stone that they actually built the chamber around. It's not like they built the room and then imported this thing. It's bigger than any entrance to the room. But it's it's kind of rough, it's got some cut marks still showing, and it was obviously not finished. And then the other reason why they think that it wasn't ever finished, Chuck, was that there's no evidence that anyone ever found any treasure loot bodies anything. Yeah, it's like it's this dead, empty place that has never been used. Ironically too and tomb dead people into it was just never finished either. So that's one theory that it was finished and never used. Another one is that it actually was looted, and it was looted so thoroughly that there's just not even evidence of it being looted.

Whoa.

Whoa.

And then that yeah, it's kind of impressive.

And then that yeah, it's kind of impressive.

And then the last one is that it is finished and that all of these shafts and like walkways and crawl spaces that we found are actually meant to distract you from the real places where the tombs are that we've just not found yet.

And then the last one is that it is finished and that all of these shafts and like walkways and crawl spaces that we found are actually meant to distract you from the real places where the tombs are that we've just not found yet.

Couldn't they find those by now?

Couldn't they find those by now?

Though not necessarily. They're still finding like secret rooms and passages that are hidden from view. They're just starting to now apply the technology to seeing through stone.

Though not necessarily. They're still finding like secret rooms and passages that are hidden from view. They're just starting to now apply the technology to seeing through stone.

Literally, just get up the X ray camera right and just stand at pizza hut, zoom in right and just see what's in that thing.

Literally, just get up the X ray camera right and just stand at pizza hut, zoom in right and just see what's in that thing.

You don't even need that you can send off for some of those X ray specs from a comic book exactly. I don't know why no one else has thought of this yet.

You don't even need that you can send off for some of those X ray specs from a comic book exactly. I don't know why no one else has thought of this yet.

So I have a question. Then they said it's originally covered in limestone in that casing. Does that mean that originally it was not in a step pattern and it was just smooth on the outside. Yes, Well, how in the world did they get up there? Would they just slide back down?

So I have a question. Then they said it's originally covered in limestone in that casing. Does that mean that originally it was not in a step pattern and it was just smooth on the outside. Yes, Well, how in the world did they get up there? Would they just slide back down?

Well, the answer that is obvious. It was aliens that helped them. That's right, That's that's it. That's the answer.

Well, the answer that is obvious. It was aliens that helped them. That's right, That's that's it. That's the answer.

All right.

All right.

I have no idea, Chuck, that's a really good question to tell you the truth. Maybe they maybe there's a passageway inside.

I have no idea, Chuck, that's a really good question to tell you the truth. Maybe they maybe there's a passageway inside.

Right that they come out the top, you know, come out.

Right that they come out the top, you know, come out.

The top, pull the limestone up into place, and then slide down it and start the process over again.

The top, pull the limestone up into place, and then slide down it and start the process over again.

Interesting.

Interesting.

But if you want to see kind of probably what it looked like, just go look at the Iron Maiden Power Slave album cover.

But if you want to see kind of probably what it looked like, just go look at the Iron Maiden Power Slave album cover.

Yeah, it's kind of like smoothly covered.

Yeah, it's kind of like smoothly covered.

It's not stepped, really, I mean, there's steps, but they're they're meant to be like a staircase.

It's not stepped, really, I mean, there's steps, but they're they're meant to be like a staircase.

It's not steps on the outside.

It's not steps on the outside.

Oh yeah, that makes sense. So yeah, So in the fourteenth century, there was an earthquake, and as you'll see, that becomes a pattern here with a lot of these ancient wonders that would become ruins because of earthquakes.

Oh yeah, that makes sense. So yeah, So in the fourteenth century, there was an earthquake, and as you'll see, that becomes a pattern here with a lot of these ancient wonders that would become ruins because of earthquakes.

You know, most of these in the Middle East. It's a volatile area tectonically speaking, so you know, over the course of thousands of years, things are gonna tumble over time, you know.

You know, most of these in the Middle East. It's a volatile area tectonically speaking, so you know, over the course of thousands of years, things are gonna tumble over time, you know.

Yeah, and it is what happened in this case.

Yeah, and it is what happened in this case.

It's basically earthquakes, earthquake, earthquake, earthquake, over and over again.

It's basically earthquakes, earthquake, earthquake, earthquake, over and over again.

It's the great leveler of monuments, right.

It's the great leveler of monuments, right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But the Kufu Pyramids stood. It was stood that earthquake because it's just more than a pile of rocks. It is so big and so grand and so heavy, I guess, and probably a little luck came involved as well.

But the Kufu Pyramids stood. It was stood that earthquake because it's just more than a pile of rocks. It is so big and so grand and so heavy, I guess, and probably a little luck came involved as well.

Yeah, but it was also really good engineering too, for sure.

Yeah, but it was also really good engineering too, for sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But the earthquake did get it in that it did level Cairo, and they went out to the pyramid and took the limestone off of it and used it to rebuild Cairo.

But the earthquake did get it in that it did level Cairo, and they went out to the pyramid and took the limestone off of it and used it to rebuild Cairo.

Yeah. And that's another common refrain of notices.

Yeah. And that's another common refrain of notices.

A lot of these would be toppled, and then people would come in and say, hey, let's use this stuff for like actual for the city, yeah, instead of just some monument to a ruler.

A lot of these would be toppled, and then people would come in and say, hey, let's use this stuff for like actual for the city, yeah, instead of just some monument to a ruler.

Yep. And if you are you ever going to go see the pyramids.

Yep. And if you are you ever going to go see the pyramids.

I was.

I was.

It was sort of on the old bucket list until I saw the pizza hut thing.

It was sort of on the old bucket list until I saw the pizza hut thing.

To day.

To day.

Oh man, that's funny.

Oh man, that's funny.

And I read an article where someone was like, don't do it, just don't go really yeah, but I mean that's just one person's opinion. We also had people that said the northern lights aren't that impressive.

And I read an article where someone was like, don't do it, just don't go really yeah, but I mean that's just one person's opinion. We also had people that said the northern lights aren't that impressive.

Yeah, and that one person.

Yeah, and that one person.

Yeah, we got shouted down for that. Oh my god.

Yeah, we got shouted down for that. Oh my god.

It still happens from time to time.

It still happens from time to time.

Uh huh.

Uh huh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So if you do go, though, chuck the way that you go into the pyramid, as far as you can, it's actually an No one's figured out how to go in the way that it was intended. It's that entrance is lost to history as far as I know. The entrance that you use is actually a carved tunnel through the pyramid from the ninth century from this guy named Abdullah al Maman who oversaw a looting expedition, and he's one of the reasons why they think that it was unused because even back in the ninth century, this guy couldn't find anything in the sealed pyramid interesting.

So if you do go, though, chuck the way that you go into the pyramid, as far as you can, it's actually an No one's figured out how to go in the way that it was intended. It's that entrance is lost to history as far as I know. The entrance that you use is actually a carved tunnel through the pyramid from the ninth century from this guy named Abdullah al Maman who oversaw a looting expedition, and he's one of the reasons why they think that it was unused because even back in the ninth century, this guy couldn't find anything in the sealed pyramid interesting.

And you gain access to that through the bathroom of pizza hut.

And you gain access to that through the bathroom of pizza hut.

That's right with your X ray specs. Wow, you want to take a break.

That's right with your X ray specs. Wow, you want to take a break.

Yeah, let's do that.

Yeah, let's do that.

Let's do it now.

Let's do it now.

Hey, everybody, we're back.

Hey, everybody, we're back.

Yes, we are.

Yes, we are.

No more poopoo ing of modern things next to old things. I sound like an old man crabbing, grabbing along.

No more poopoo ing of modern things next to old things. I sound like an old man crabbing, grabbing along.

That's all right, man uh.

That's all right, man uh.

And this next one is interesting, the hanging Gardens of Babylon, because this is one that that may not have even existed. These are this is the we're going chronologically, like you said, so the second oldest if it was re built in about the sixth century. And obviously these don't exist anymore in any shape or form. But the deal is that these this was in like modern day Iraq, and they were gardens that it was really about the building. It's kind of like the first big botanical garden, right. It wasn't just things hanging from the sky. It was plants and trees and everything planted in this grand, big building that had water flowing through it.

And this next one is interesting, the hanging Gardens of Babylon, because this is one that that may not have even existed. These are this is the we're going chronologically, like you said, so the second oldest if it was re built in about the sixth century. And obviously these don't exist anymore in any shape or form. But the deal is that these this was in like modern day Iraq, and they were gardens that it was really about the building. It's kind of like the first big botanical garden, right. It wasn't just things hanging from the sky. It was plants and trees and everything planted in this grand, big building that had water flowing through it.

Yeah, in the desert.

Yeah, in the desert.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So if it was in Babylon, it would have been about ninety miles or ninety kilometers. I can't remember which one Outside of Baghdad modern day Baghdad, right, And if it wasn't Babylon, they think that maybe King Nebukanezer built the gardens. This is according to legend at least sure, he built the gardens for his wife Ametis, who was from the north where it's much more fertile and green. And apparently Ametus missed her homeland, so the king built her the hanging gardens. And again this is in the desert, so to. And Babylon was a magnificent place in and of itself, again, like their walls were once on this list of seven Wonders to go see, right, But supposedly it was just this enormous building, tiered with huge walkways. Yeah, and they planted it with dirt and trees. And there was a quote that was said it was thickly planted with trees of every kind that, by their great size or charm, could give pleasure to the beholder. That was Deodorus who said that, and he was writing like a while after they would have been built. But the idea that you could just walk down treeline avenues in this building in the desert's pretty neat.

So if it was in Babylon, it would have been about ninety miles or ninety kilometers. I can't remember which one Outside of Baghdad modern day Baghdad, right, And if it wasn't Babylon, they think that maybe King Nebukanezer built the gardens. This is according to legend at least sure, he built the gardens for his wife Ametis, who was from the north where it's much more fertile and green. And apparently Ametus missed her homeland, so the king built her the hanging gardens. And again this is in the desert, so to. And Babylon was a magnificent place in and of itself, again, like their walls were once on this list of seven Wonders to go see, right, But supposedly it was just this enormous building, tiered with huge walkways. Yeah, and they planted it with dirt and trees. And there was a quote that was said it was thickly planted with trees of every kind that, by their great size or charm, could give pleasure to the beholder. That was Deodorus who said that, and he was writing like a while after they would have been built. But the idea that you could just walk down treeline avenues in this building in the desert's pretty neat.

Yeah, I mean, I get the sense that in today's terms, it would be like a sort of a nice office park.

Yeah, I mean, I get the sense that in today's terms, it would be like a sort of a nice office park.

I gets.

I gets.

So now we just take them for granted.

So now we just take them for granted.

But back then it was a big deal.

But back then it was a big deal.

You didn't have these structures with all these plants in the middle of the desert like this. It was along the Euphrates River most likely, and we're talking about I mean, it looks any of the pictures that you've seen, it really looks like it was something else. About seventy five feet tall, like you said, tiered, this brick structure with plants and waterfalls coming off of it, and twenty two foot thick walls four hundred feet wide, and all manner of flora all over the place, and irrigated from that Euphrates River.

You didn't have these structures with all these plants in the middle of the desert like this. It was along the Euphrates River most likely, and we're talking about I mean, it looks any of the pictures that you've seen, it really looks like it was something else. About seventy five feet tall, like you said, tiered, this brick structure with plants and waterfalls coming off of it, and twenty two foot thick walls four hundred feet wide, and all manner of flora all over the place, and irrigated from that Euphrates River.

Right if if again it wasn't Babylon. But there's a couple of reasons why that whole thing is why it is question right. So for on the one hand, there's no evidence of it. No one said this is where it was, right, And other people say, well, of course you can't say that these were plants, these were gardens. There's not going to be any trace of it left. Maybe you know, we've the building and we don't even realize it. The reason why they think it might not have actually existed in Babylon is because, first of all, King nebukin Ezer love to boast about all of the stuff he did. He left inscriptions in cuneiform basically everywhere. He's like, you know, let out like a thirty second belch. Today, King Nebucanezer, he would have stuff like this inscribed.

Right if if again it wasn't Babylon. But there's a couple of reasons why that whole thing is why it is question right. So for on the one hand, there's no evidence of it. No one said this is where it was, right, And other people say, well, of course you can't say that these were plants, these were gardens. There's not going to be any trace of it left. Maybe you know, we've the building and we don't even realize it. The reason why they think it might not have actually existed in Babylon is because, first of all, King nebukin Ezer love to boast about all of the stuff he did. He left inscriptions in cuneiform basically everywhere. He's like, you know, let out like a thirty second belch. Today, King Nebucanezer, he would have stuff like this inscribed.

Right. Yeah, I can't think of anyone today who I could like in that too, but yes.

Right. Yeah, I can't think of anyone today who I could like in that too, but yes.

Right, exactly like he was one of a kind. No ruler ever has for any resemblance to him. But he'd never mentioned the gardens of Babylon and any cuneiform tablet that's ever been discovered.

Right, exactly like he was one of a kind. No ruler ever has for any resemblance to him. But he'd never mentioned the gardens of Babylon and any cuneiform tablet that's ever been discovered.

Yeah, he did not tout it in writing, which is very very unusual.

Yeah, he did not tout it in writing, which is very very unusual.

And then there's another guy, Herod Herodotus. He was an historian from Greece and he wrote a basically a monograp on Babylon one hundred years after Nebukanezer, and he didn't mention the hanging gardens at all. No gardens, no legend of a garden, no talk of a garden, no garden. I visited nothing about gardens. Yeah, and the idea that he would have passed over one of the great wonders of the ancient world. When he's writing about the town that contains it, it's pretty questionable. So some people say, well, maybe it wasn't in Babylon. Maybe it was in another place in Assyria.

And then there's another guy, Herod Herodotus. He was an historian from Greece and he wrote a basically a monograp on Babylon one hundred years after Nebukanezer, and he didn't mention the hanging gardens at all. No gardens, no legend of a garden, no talk of a garden, no garden. I visited nothing about gardens. Yeah, and the idea that he would have passed over one of the great wonders of the ancient world. When he's writing about the town that contains it, it's pretty questionable. So some people say, well, maybe it wasn't in Babylon. Maybe it was in another place in Assyria.

Yeah, maybe the Assyrian queen built it. Maybe the ruler of Nineveh, whose name and these names I just love ticking through all these names, as if nebucad Nezar wasn't good enough, Senakaib it's great, the ruler of Nineveh may have built them. I had always thought these were real, But I tend to think that maybe nebuchad Nesser didn't have anything to do with it, because it doesn't You're right. I don't think it makes any sense that it was not mentioned in any of these accounts, right, because they just and it wasn't just Nebukinzer all all this stuff like keeping records.

Yeah, maybe the Assyrian queen built it. Maybe the ruler of Nineveh, whose name and these names I just love ticking through all these names, as if nebucad Nezar wasn't good enough, Senakaib it's great, the ruler of Nineveh may have built them. I had always thought these were real, But I tend to think that maybe nebuchad Nesser didn't have anything to do with it, because it doesn't You're right. I don't think it makes any sense that it was not mentioned in any of these accounts, right, because they just and it wasn't just Nebukinzer all all this stuff like keeping records.

It was all very new.

It was all very new.

It was like the hot thing to do, you know, sure, right, and so they wouldn't just say, oh, by the way, we failed to mention we built this what would eventually be a wonder of the world, but we just didn't think it was important enough to write down.

It was like the hot thing to do, you know, sure, right, and so they wouldn't just say, oh, by the way, we failed to mention we built this what would eventually be a wonder of the world, but we just didn't think it was important enough to write down.

Yeah, and this is from Nebukinezer, who used to leave like inscriptions in the blocks of buildings saying built by Nebukinzer, ruler of Babylon from sea to sea.

Yeah, and this is from Nebukinezer, who used to leave like inscriptions in the blocks of buildings saying built by Nebukinzer, ruler of Babylon from sea to sea.

Even if he didn't build it, he would.

Even if he didn't build it, he would.

Have met right exactly, he would have mentioned it.

Have met right exactly, he would have mentioned it.

Right.

Right.

So if if it was in NINEVA, it would have been close to present day Mosl in northern Iraq, right right. And if it was in NINEV, then we've actually already found the gardens of Babylon because they they discovered a structure that was clearly in something similar to what the Gardens of Babylon have described. It was a structure that had irrigation brought to it, that used water screws to pump water remember from our Archimedes death ray episode, uh huh, to pump it upward to this thing. So we found a garden, basically a botanical garden structure in NINEV. So if it is there, we now know where the hanging gardens were.

So if if it was in NINEVA, it would have been close to present day Mosl in northern Iraq, right right. And if it was in NINEV, then we've actually already found the gardens of Babylon because they they discovered a structure that was clearly in something similar to what the Gardens of Babylon have described. It was a structure that had irrigation brought to it, that used water screws to pump water remember from our Archimedes death ray episode, uh huh, to pump it upward to this thing. So we found a garden, basically a botanical garden structure in NINEV. So if it is there, we now know where the hanging gardens were.

Yeah, And that is the idea is that they took this water up them from the Euphrates into these big holding tanks, these big cisterns essentially on top and then it would use a very clever system of gravity.

Yeah, And that is the idea is that they took this water up them from the Euphrates into these big holding tanks, these big cisterns essentially on top and then it would use a very clever system of gravity.

To then feed down and irrigate all the.

To then feed down and irrigate all the.

Different areas as it flowed downward.

Different areas as it flowed downward.

Right, really something to see.

Right, really something to see.

I can't imagine what it must have been like like, especially they rely can't.

I can't imagine what it must have been like like, especially they rely can't.

You know. I'm kind of disappointed now I have to admit why we because it doesn't sound like it was there or maybe even real.

You know. I'm kind of disappointed now I have to admit why we because it doesn't sound like it was there or maybe even real.

Yeah, but it could have been. In NINEV I think it was real. I think it was a nineveh Yeah, because if you if you look at the if you look at some I think it was Diodorus. Diodorus's writing from Sicily, the guy from Sicily. Yeah, he says that there were hanging gardens, but they were built by Assyrian king, So I'm pretty sure that's that's it, all right, So they were real, Chuck, and we know where they are. Okay, and then you want to do one more for this episode.

Yeah, but it could have been. In NINEV I think it was real. I think it was a nineveh Yeah, because if you if you look at the if you look at some I think it was Diodorus. Diodorus's writing from Sicily, the guy from Sicily. Yeah, he says that there were hanging gardens, but they were built by Assyrian king, So I'm pretty sure that's that's it, all right, So they were real, Chuck, and we know where they are. Okay, and then you want to do one more for this episode.

Yeah, let's take a break and we'll come back and finish up with the Temple of Artemis at Ephesus after this.

Yeah, let's take a break and we'll come back and finish up with the Temple of Artemis at Ephesus after this.

Okay, Chuck, and we're back. Yes, this one, this might be my favor. Do you have a favorite one yet?

Okay, Chuck, and we're back. Yes, this one, this might be my favor. Do you have a favorite one yet?

My favorite one will be in the next episode. Oh okay, cool, how's that for a tease.

My favorite one will be in the next episode. Oh okay, cool, how's that for a tease.

That's a great tease.

That's a great tease.

This one's pretty good though, because this took by all accounts, over one hundred and twenty years to build in just one night to go bye bye, yeah, which is how it goes sometimes.

This one's pretty good though, because this took by all accounts, over one hundred and twenty years to build in just one night to go bye bye, yeah, which is how it goes sometimes.

Yep, especially when there's someone with pyromania involved.

Yep, especially when there's someone with pyromania involved.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, exactly.

So ephesusesis Ephesis, That's what I'm going with.

So ephesusesis Ephesis, That's what I'm going with.

How about you, Artemis at Ephesis. I think that sounds better.

How about you, Artemis at Ephesis. I think that sounds better.

I think that might be it.

I think that might be it.

So Ephesis is It's actually a pretty well known city of the ancient world, and I think it's still around in some way, shape or form. But it was It used to be a fabulously wealthy port city in what's today Turkey, but it was under the control basically of Greece. Yea, from what I understand, it was allowed to remain an independent city state, but it was still like that was at the pleasure of Greece and then later Rome. But they managed to be an important place of finance and law too. I think that's where a lot of the courts were was in Ephesis. But it was also well known for all of its magic cults. Right, Yes, that's where the Magician's mansion was located.

So Ephesis is It's actually a pretty well known city of the ancient world, and I think it's still around in some way, shape or form. But it was It used to be a fabulously wealthy port city in what's today Turkey, but it was under the control basically of Greece. Yea, from what I understand, it was allowed to remain an independent city state, but it was still like that was at the pleasure of Greece and then later Rome. But they managed to be an important place of finance and law too. I think that's where a lot of the courts were was in Ephesis. But it was also well known for all of its magic cults. Right, Yes, that's where the Magician's mansion was located.

Back in the ancient world.

Back in the ancient world.

Yeah, so when they call it the city of magic, they mean that literally.

Yeah, so when they call it the city of magic, they mean that literally.

Right, not magic city.

Right, not magic city.

But it had like a quarter of a million residents at its peaker at the time when the Temple of Artemis was in full swing, and it was originally built this temple, this massive, huge temple back in five point fifty BCE by a guy named King Croesus. They think that that might be old King Cole.

But it had like a quarter of a million residents at its peaker at the time when the Temple of Artemis was in full swing, and it was originally built this temple, this massive, huge temple back in five point fifty BCE by a guy named King Croesus. They think that that might be old King Cole.

Did you know that?

Did you know that?

Oh really, m h huh, that's what I've always heard.

Oh really, m h huh, that's what I've always heard.

So King Crosis of Lydia.

So King Crosis of Lydia.

And this one, if you look it up under the images it is it looks like you're you're kind of classic Greek temple. It's rectangular that it measures about three fifty by one eighty feet.

And this one, if you look it up under the images it is it looks like you're you're kind of classic Greek temple. It's rectangular that it measures about three fifty by one eighty feet.

And the thing about this one that is really jumped out at me were the columns. And there are more than one hundred columns and their marble and it's not just like everything had columns. So that's that's all fine, and well, these.

And the thing about this one that is really jumped out at me were the columns. And there are more than one hundred columns and their marble and it's not just like everything had columns. So that's that's all fine, and well, these.

Are enough with the columns.

Are enough with the columns.

These are the ionic architectural style columns. But these were like if you look at it, there like the two rows of columns on the front. To me, like the fact that they doubled them up and offset them is just really kind of striking looking.

These are the ionic architectural style columns. But these were like if you look at it, there like the two rows of columns on the front. To me, like the fact that they doubled them up and offset them is just really kind of striking looking.

It is. It's gorgeous.

It is. It's gorgeous.

And if you just the size of this thing too, three hundred and fifty feet in length right or in depth, that's like one in more than one football field American football field. Which is this is a pretty good sized temple. Yeah, it's not as massive as you might think in this but it's still pretty big.

And if you just the size of this thing too, three hundred and fifty feet in length right or in depth, that's like one in more than one football field American football field. Which is this is a pretty good sized temple. Yeah, it's not as massive as you might think in this but it's still pretty big.

Well, I mean, you gotta you have to think all of this in ancient standards. Sure, like today you look at a building in size of a football field and it's not that big of a deal, but it's still large.

Well, I mean, you gotta you have to think all of this in ancient standards. Sure, like today you look at a building in size of a football field and it's not that big of a deal, but it's still large.

But by those standards back then, it was enormous.

But by those standards back then, it was enormous.

Right, which I'm I'm happy with saying it's massive.

Right, which I'm I'm happy with saying it's massive.

Yeah, put on your ancient hats, folks.

Yeah, put on your ancient hats, folks.

Plus also plus also just the the ornate detail that was carved into the structure in every single spot, it was pretty neat. And then if you looked at the pediment of the temple, the base, there was a door and two windows. I believe the windows are on either side of the door. That was not for Upion, that was for Artemis to enter and leave her temple at her whim.

Plus also plus also just the the ornate detail that was carved into the structure in every single spot, it was pretty neat. And then if you looked at the pediment of the temple, the base, there was a door and two windows. I believe the windows are on either side of the door. That was not for Upion, that was for Artemis to enter and leave her temple at her whim.

That's right.

That's right.

So Artemis herself, this is this is one of the reasons why this is my favorite. Artemis herself was the Greek precursor to the Roman Diana. Okay, she was the goddess of fertility, of the hunt and I believed the moon too, right, all right, And she was Apollo's twin sister. She was the daughter of Zeus and Leto, so she was a pretty important deity. But she was kind of cobbled together at the Temple of Artemis with an already much much much older deity for the area. And her name was Sibyl, and Sibyl was based on an ancient fertility goddess from nine thousand years ago. So they took Sybil and they took Artemis, who basically represented the same thing but to two different cultures, and they put it together at this Temple of Artemis at Ephesis.

So Artemis herself, this is this is one of the reasons why this is my favorite. Artemis herself was the Greek precursor to the Roman Diana. Okay, she was the goddess of fertility, of the hunt and I believed the moon too, right, all right, And she was Apollo's twin sister. She was the daughter of Zeus and Leto, so she was a pretty important deity. But she was kind of cobbled together at the Temple of Artemis with an already much much much older deity for the area. And her name was Sibyl, and Sibyl was based on an ancient fertility goddess from nine thousand years ago. So they took Sybil and they took Artemis, who basically represented the same thing but to two different cultures, and they put it together at this Temple of Artemis at Ephesis.

Yeah, I mean, we're talking about a statue. I don't think we said that.

Yeah, I mean, we're talking about a statue. I don't think we said that.

Oh yeah, no, we didn't.

Oh yeah, no, we didn't.

We weren't talking about some kind of weird black voodoo, black magic.

We weren't talking about some kind of weird black voodoo, black magic.

Right.

Right.

It's a statue built from gold, silver, ebony, and some other stuff. They had laying around. Pull tabs from tabcans.

It's a statue built from gold, silver, ebony, and some other stuff. They had laying around. Pull tabs from tabcans.

Sure, it was like a found object thing basically.

Sure, it was like a found object thing basically.

But this what's amazing about this one.

But this what's amazing about this one.

You can actually look up the statue even though these are just I don't know.

You can actually look up the statue even though these are just I don't know.

If whether it were pictures of it or is this just called from I.

If whether it were pictures of it or is this just called from I.

Don't know, man, I'm not sure if it was just from writings or if they do have it somewhere.

Don't know, man, I'm not sure if it was just from writings or if they do have it somewhere.

Well.

Well.

The cool thing is is the statue has this row of bulbs hanging from her body and if you look at it looks like she's wearing a.

The cool thing is is the statue has this row of bulbs hanging from her body and if you look at it looks like she's wearing a.

Tunic made of avocados.

Tunic made of avocados.

Or like water balloons. Sure, but what they are is up for debate. Some people say, well, they're obviously breasts, she's a fertility goddess.

Or like water balloons. Sure, but what they are is up for debate. Some people say, well, they're obviously breasts, she's a fertility goddess.

Yeah, make a little it does.

Yeah, make a little it does.

It would make even more sense if it weren't for the fact that Sybil's cult was known to castraight bulls as sacrifice, so they think they were probably bull testicles, right, and the actually the Sybil cult high priests would castrate them so they could be more like Sybil I e. Without testicles. Remember our castration episode do I Boy, We've talked about a lot of stuff, Chuck, we have. So you've got this amazing wonderful, super cool statue in an already amazing temple. And it's not just me who thought that that it was the most amazing one of all. There was another guy who wrote. His name was antipurv Sidon. He says, I and this is he's writing back in You know, I guess BCE still because he was an ancient Greek. But he said, I have seen the walls of unbreachable Babylon. Remember that was originally when the Seven Wonders along which chariots may race, and the statue of Zeus by the River Alpheus, the hanging Gardens, and the Colossus of the Sun, the Great Man made mountains of the Lofty Pyramid, and the gigantic tomb of Masciless. But when I saw the sacred House of Artemis reaching the clouds, the others paled.

It would make even more sense if it weren't for the fact that Sybil's cult was known to castraight bulls as sacrifice, so they think they were probably bull testicles, right, and the actually the Sybil cult high priests would castrate them so they could be more like Sybil I e. Without testicles. Remember our castration episode do I Boy, We've talked about a lot of stuff, Chuck, we have. So you've got this amazing wonderful, super cool statue in an already amazing temple. And it's not just me who thought that that it was the most amazing one of all. There was another guy who wrote. His name was antipurv Sidon. He says, I and this is he's writing back in You know, I guess BCE still because he was an ancient Greek. But he said, I have seen the walls of unbreachable Babylon. Remember that was originally when the Seven Wonders along which chariots may race, and the statue of Zeus by the River Alpheus, the hanging Gardens, and the Colossus of the Sun, the Great Man made mountains of the Lofty Pyramid, and the gigantic tomb of Masciless. But when I saw the sacred House of Artemis reaching the clouds, the others paled.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that was Antipur of Sidon, right. So he's saying, like, I've seen all the wonders, and to me, the temple of Artemis at Efesis is the best.

And that was Antipur of Sidon, right. So he's saying, like, I've seen all the wonders, and to me, the temple of Artemis at Efesis is the best.

And he said, you got to see it. She has bolt testicles hanging around her neck.

And he said, you got to see it. She has bolt testicles hanging around her neck.

You've never seen anything like it.

You've never seen anything like it.

So this thing was very I mean it was it was a legit tourist destination. People would travel long distances to come to this place to see the statue in the temple, and it was I mean, it's hard to believe, but even back then they had. It boosted the local economy and was literally supported by like gift shops selling little statuette recreations of this thing.

So this thing was very I mean it was it was a legit tourist destination. People would travel long distances to come to this place to see the statue in the temple, and it was I mean, it's hard to believe, but even back then they had. It boosted the local economy and was literally supported by like gift shops selling little statuette recreations of this thing.

Yeah, and this is already a wealthy area, so the tourism was so big that that was still significant. The replicas, the sale of the replicas still made that much of a splash on the local that's how many were sold.

Yeah, and this is already a wealthy area, so the tourism was so big that that was still significant. The replicas, the sale of the replicas still made that much of a splash on the local that's how many were sold.

Like you go to New York City and you go to a gift shop at at the Statue of Liberty and you buy the little replica that exact thing was going on thousands of years ago.