Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy V. Wilson and I'm Holly Fry. Today we're going to talk about an innovation that dramatically changed how people around the world have dealt with food, and that's canning. It is a topic that has been on both of our short lists for a while. I think we talked about it like four years ago, Yeah, four years ago, and then more recently like there's it's it's been a thing that has come up a bunch of times, Um and I started thinking about it again earlier on. In the pandemic here in the US and in other parts of the world, we've we were having some disruptions in the supply chain. Folks were stocking up on non perishable stuff to get through shutdowns. And then there's also just been a huge, huge increase in the need for food from food banks in similar resources. And now we are recording this five months to the day after the World Health Organization declared COVID nineteen to be a pandemic. All of this stuff is still really relevant. And so after having put it aside for other things, having had it linger on both of our lists for so long I finally moved it back up to the top. So food preservation stretches back to the very beginnings of human history. It is generally agreed that people started smoking meat not long after learning to start a fire, and all over the world people have been smoking, drying, salting, curing, pickling, and fermenting food for thousands and thousands of years. People in cold climates figured out early on the frozen food lasted longer, and people have built structures like roots sellers and springhouses to keep food cooler so it will not spoil as quickly. In addition to just making their food last longer, people's around the world have developed food preservation techniques that are also culturally important or significant, and in some cases also delicious as well. Just as one example, we have a whole episode in the archive about how the world's cheeses tell the story of when and where they were developed, and one of the reasons for making cheese is that it can have a longer shelf life than fresh milk does, and trading in these preserved foods has also been a huge part of economies all over the world from millennia for example, people in coastal areas drying and salting fish to sell to people further inland. Most of these methods of food preservation, they come with some drawbacks, though Many extend shelf life for a few weeks or months, but not far beyond that, and some others will change the flavor or texture, or nutrient content, or even the overall quality of the food in a way that isn't necessarily desirable. For example, salted meat can be incredibly salty. I don't see why that's a problem, and soaking it to remove the salt also washes away water soluble nutrients. Curing food also takes a lot of sugar or salt, and those can be expensive or scarce, depending on when or where you're talking about. Yeah, obviously these are also just examples. Things can also get a lot more complicated with all of this if you are a nation that has gone to war with most of your neighbors, causing you to lose most of your trading partners while also needing to support an army and a navy. In other words, if you're France around the turn of the nineteenth century, Um, thanks for marjarine. Yeah, there's so much stuff that we've talked about on the show that is related to military history in France and the late seventeen hundred's early eight hundreds. Yeah, so some of the specifics of France's search for a better way to preserve food are a little bit fuzzy. There are a lot of general articles that described Napoleon's government offering a reward for a food preservation method that could help sustain the army and navy in seventeen ninety five, but Napoleon did not actually have control of the government in seventeen ninety five. He became first Consul in seventeen ninety nine, an Emperor of the French in eighteen o four. His highest rank in seventeen ninety five was Commander of the Army of the Interior. Other sources described the French Directoire, which was the French revolutionary government offering a reward in seventeen ninety five, or Napoleon himself offering it in eighteen hundred. The book that actually earned this award, though, does not mention any of that. Instead, it describes the Society for the Promotion of National Industry, which had been established in eighteen o one, which offered rewards for quote discoveries from which the nation and humanity may draw substantial benefits. The book also describes the agricultural Society putting out a call in eighteen no. Nine to quote, collect all the information and documents which might contribute to the composition of a work on the art of preserving by the best possible means every kind of elementary substance. The person who earned that prize for the development of canning leading to the writing of this book was Nicola A. Pare, who was awarded twelve thousand francs under the condition that he write up this detailed account of the work that he had done and provide the board with two hundred copies of that book printed at his own expense. I wonder how much that bit into that twelve thousand francs. It's a good question. A Pair was born in Chelan, mr now called Chelon and Champagna, France, on November seventy nine. He was the son of an innkeeper, and he did not have a formal academic education. He was interested in food and cooking, though, and he learned how to brew and pickle from his father, and he did apprentice with a chef in seventy, a pair moved to Paris, became a confectioner, and five years later he married Elizabeth ben Wat. The two of them went on to have five children, and by this point he had his own business, which combined a confectionery with the grocery store. He had enough money to spare that he donated to the revolutionary army during the French Revolution, and he was also prominent enough to represent his political district at the execution of Louis the sixteen. This also meant that he was prominent enough to be targeted during the Reign of Terror. He was arrested but ultimately cleared of suspicion. In the seventeen nineties, a Pair added a wholesale produce business to his confectionery and grocery store, and that seems to be when he became more interested in food preservation. But he was missing a huge piece of knowledge that really would have helped him in his research, and that was knowledge of microbiology. Back in we did an episode on Antony von leban Hook, who is known as the father of microbiology thanks to his spending a lot of time observing things through a microscope and documenting what he saw. He had started this work back in sixteen seventy three, but by a pair's lifetime two centuries later, this field was still really in its infancy. People didn't understand what these tiny things were that von Leavin Hook had described as animal cules. They didn't understand how they got there or what they did. A lot of people believed that these little things that he had documented so carefully, somehow just spontaneously generated. I still want there to be an animated series called animal Cules. I think that would be a lot of fun. I would watch it. It would sell like hotcake. UM just me. In seventeen sixty seven, so almost one years after von Leavin Hook started his work, priest and biologist Lazaro Spellanzani published a paper on this subject. He had done experiments with four vials of bras, one open, one sealed, one boiled and then left open, and one boiled and immediately sealed. When he looked at the broth under a microscope after some time had passed, the first three contained micro organisms. The fourth, that one that had been boiled and sealed, did not. Spelling Zani concluded that what he was seeing in those other three vials were living organisms that had been carried in from the air. Spellingsoni's work did not totally convince proponents of spontaneous generation, though they made arguments that like he had damaged some kind of vital essence that was necessary to spontaneous generation by boiling his broth for too long, he also hadn't really made the connection that the life forms that he was observing could spoil food or cause illness. But he did demonstrate that heating something up and also protecting it from exposure to the air accomplished something, and his work on this subject it was really the only thing in print when a Pair was doing this work that documented that connection. Poorly understood as it was, you've killed the animal fules No. A Pair became convinced that ceiling food away from air was the key to preserving it, and it took him almost fifteen years to come up with a method and to demonstrate that it worked. His conclusion after all that time quote, it is obvious that this new method of preserving animal and vegetable substance proceeds from the simple principle of applying heat in a due degree to the several substances after having deprived them as much as possible of all contact with the external air. We'll get into more details about that. After a quick sponsor break, Nicola A pair started trying to work out a way to preserve food in five and we understand today that what he was doing was getting the food hot enough to kill the microorganisms in it at least most of the time, but without cooking it so much that it became inedible. He was also keeping the food in a sealed container so that airborne microorganisms couldn't recontaminate it. The sealed environment also meant that if any bacteria survived the heating process, they would not have the oxygen that they needed to survive, although bacteria that did not need oxygen, like the one that causes botulis um still could potentially thrive. But a Pair didn't really know about the connections between micro organisms, food, spoilage, and illness. He didn't know what temperatures it took to kill these organisms, or how long they had to be at that temperature. He also didn't have a way to immediately tell whether he had been successful at any of it, so he had to do all of this work by trial and error, including just allowing time to pass before he opened his containers to see whether the food than them had spoiled, or whether the containers swelled up and burst or otherwise were visibly ruined. His first successful attempts were in eighteen o four, nine years after he started, but it took another five years before he was confident that he was seeing consistent results. Since a pair was really sure that air was what was causing food to spoil, he worked with glass containers closed with an air tight seal. Some of the first experiments he did he used champagne bottles, which were designed to be stronger than a lot of other glassware. Eventually he was using custom made vessels, ones that were roughly the size and shape of a champagne bottle for liquids, and ones that had a larger mouth more like a jar for solid foods. Although the specifics varied from one food to another, in every case the method of pair developed followed the same basic four step process. In his words translated from the French quote, it consists principally, first in enclosing in bottles the substance is to be preserved. Second, in corking the bottles with the utmost care for it is chiefly on the corking, that the success of the process depends third in submitting these enclosed substances to the action of boiling water in a water bath bonea marie, for a greater or less length of time, according to their nature, and in the manner pointed out with respect to each several kind of substance force In withdrawing the bottles from the water bath at the period described, Appair stressed that the cork used for this absolutely had to be high quality. You could not skimp on it. Cheap cork could break or leak and let the air in, and that would ruin the contents. The same was true for the glass, which had to be able to withstand the pressure of the cooking process and being jostled around and transport. Even with those precautions, though sometimes his bottles did break during cooking, and for this reason he put the bottles in jars into arpists made canvas or linen sacks, and then that would cushi the impact if they bumped against each other while they were cooking, and it would also contain all the pieces if they shattered. I remember my grandmother doing the same thing after cooking the bottled food for a greater or less length of time. According to their nature, A pair typically let things cool for about fifteen minutes before draining the water from the bath. Then he lent everything cool for another two hours or so before carefully removing and inspecting each bottle. Any that had cracked or developed some kind of flaw in the glass were discarded, so were any that had moisture around the cork, which was a sign that they weren't actually airtight. Even after all this careful inspection, though, there were still times when the food went bad. A pair identified several possible failure points as the cause of this. In some cases, the bottle itself was to blame and had some kind of flaw that wasn't immediately evident. But beyond that, he noted four sources of spoilage quote one from a bad cork too from bad corking, three from the bottle having been filled too near the brim, and four from bad tying that was the tying of the cork to keep it in place. He also noted, quote a single one of these faults is sufficient to spoil a bottle more easily. Therefore a complication of them. The book that a pair wrote to document all of this was called the Art of Preserving All kinds of Animal and vegetable substances for several years, and it describes a number of modifications of the basic process to get the best results when working with various foods. This includes boiled meat, gravy, broth, various cuts of meat, new laid eggs, milk, cream way vegetables peas, asparagus, which are vegetables, but they get specific natures, various beans, artichokes, cauliflower, sorrel, herbs, fruits, juices, chestnuts, truffles, and mushrooms, and soups. His breakdown of categories is funny to me because there are some things where it's like, peas and asparagus are vegetables. Also artichokes and cauliflower are well, So there's the general vegetable version, and then there's this is actually best for peas though, yes. So he found peas to be the vegetable that was the hardest to work with. If they were harvested too young, they were so tender that they just disintegrated in the cooking process. But if they were harvested just a few days later, they tended to lose their flavor or else they would ferment and cause the bottles to explode. Milk had to be condensed before preserving, and he found that unless egg yolks were added in there, the cream settled out of it as flakes. When you used it later and heated it back up, that would be reincorporated, but it wasn't that attractive in the bottle. They're also canned eggs, recommending actually laid eggs for the best results, put into a jar with bread crumbs to fill up the spaces and protect the eggs from breakage. For strawberries, he found that he had to add a lot of sugar, but even then their color really faded. A pair also detailed how to use foods that had been preserved through his methods, and in a lot of cases, who was basically I use these how i'd use them normally, or I've warmed this up with a little bit of salt. Reading through that part of the book was really funny to me, because a lot of it really is I drained the water out of this and cook it and eat it. Some of them was like I dilute this condensed soup and then I eat it. It's uh, I don't know that part of it delighted me. In addition to keeping bottles and jars of food on hand to see his results for himself, a Pair also gave samples of them to various people in the French army and navy and other officials, who opened them up after months or years and then eight or served what was inside, and then reported the results back to him. His book included a written report from the Society for the Encouragement of National Industry, whose committee had received samples of pot consummate, milk, way, green peas, small windsor beans, cherries, apricots, current juice, and raspberries. Overall, the committee described each of these foods as retaining their flavor and their character, and just generally being excellent. A Pair published his book, and in eighteen ten he collected his monetary award. Within a year, the book had been translated into multiple other languages. He was also awarded a gold medal from the Society for the Encouragement of National Industry. A Pair seems to have understood that his invention could do a lot more than just provide food for the army, which had been part of the reasoning for this work in the first place, and his practical remarks at the end of the book, he wrote, quote medicine will find in this method the means of relieving humanity, by the facility of meeting every rewhere and in all seasons, animal substances, and all kinds of vegetables, as well as their juices, preserved with all their natural qualities and virtues, by the same means that will obtain resources infinitely precious in the production of distant regions, preserved in their fresh state. He went on to say, quote from this method will arise a new branch of industry relative to the productions of France, by their circulation through the interior and their exportation abroad of the produce with which nature has blessed the different countries. And then he concluded, quote Finally, this invention cannot fail to enlarge the domain of chemistry and become the common benefit of all countries, which will derive the most precious fruits from it. So many advantages and an infinity of others, which the imagination of the reader will easily conceive produced by one and the same cause, are a source of astonishment. He was really not wrong or overstating any of this. Canning really changed the world in a lot of ways, and it has also evolved a lot from a Pair's work with glass bottles and jars back in the late seventeen hundreds and early eighteen hundreds. Hit the highlights on that evolution after a sponsor break. As is just so often the case, we can't really get into the details of every single development in the world of canning in the course of one episode, so we're just going to touch on some of the biggest moments. Almost immediately after Nicola a Pair worked out his methods using glass containers, people also started doing the same thing with metal cans. In eighteen ten, Peter Durand of England was awarded a patent for preserving foods and a range of vessels, including tin coated iron cans. These cans were made by rolling a sheet of iron on a cylindrical form and then soldering the top and bottom of the can onto it. Steam escaped from a hol during cooking, and then that hole was soldered shut afterward. This, even though he got the patent for it, was not his own invention, though it had been quote communicated to him by a certain foreigner living abroad. That person was Philippe de Girard of France. Who had apparently gone to London to pursue his work because of administrative hassles at home. But since Britain and France were at war, de Girard could not apply for a British patent himself, so Durand applied for the patent on his behalf and then sold it to Brian Duncan of Duncan Iron Works. Tin Coated iron had some advantages over glass, the biggest being that it was not so fragile. But these early cams were also a lot different from the ones that are in use today. They were a whole lot thicker and heavier, and a tin smith had to make each one of them by hand. The solder that was used to steal the seams also typically contained lead, which could lead into the food and cause lead poisoning. The canning process itself could be incredibly time intensive, with the cooking process taking several hours at a minimum, and that meant the quality of the food often was not that great, which was compounded by the fact that a lot of what was being canned was sort of the cast off stuff. It wasn't pretty or fresh enough to be sold at a market. Also, no one had invented a can opener, yet, so getting the food out of these tents was a hassle even with a can opener, I struck. Even so, by eighteen twelve Duncan had a factory up and running, it wasn't providing food to the general population, though the cans themselves held up to thirty pounds of food, and Duncan's primary customer was the British Royal Navy. Even within the Navy, canned food was mostly reserved for very long voyages or expeditions that wouldn't have good opportunities to resupply, and also for hospitals that were treating sick and convalescing men. A Pair was still working in France and he opened the first commercial cannery there in eighteen twelve, although it was destroyed in eighteen fourteen as a result of the Napoleonic Wars. He had to rebuild after the war was over. Pairs new factory used ten cans rather than glass. Canning was also spreading beyond Europe in the early nineteenth century, with Robert Ayer's opening a cannery in New York City in eighteen twelve and other canneries in the US following from there. But still people didn't really know why canning worked. They just knew that it did most of the time. Sometimes cans swelled up and exploded, or when they were opened, the food inside was spoiled, but people just didn't really know why. To protect their reputations, canneries often stored their products for a while before shipping them out to customers, inspecting them for signs of swelling or other indicators of spoilage before filling their orders. For the next few decades, the canning industry continued to grow and evolve. Nicola Apare died on June three of eighteen forty one at the age of ninety one. Although he had received numerous awards for his work during his lifetime, and he had also done other work in the world of food. He had developed bully on cubes, he had created a method of extracting gelatine, and he'd also developed an autoclave in addition to his work on canning. He died alone and was buried as a pauper. By the time of a Pair's death, canned food was becoming more available outside of military context, but often it hadn't really been accepted by the general public in many places. That started to change as soldiers returned from war having gotten used to eating canned foods while they were serving. For example, in the United States, Gail Borden received a patent for canning condensed milk in eighteen fifty six. His factory could make sixteen courts of it per day, and during the US Civil War there was so much demand for it from the Union Army that Borden had to license his method to other factories. Confederate soldiers got a taste for condensed milk in hospitals and prisoner of war camps, and also after raiding Union supplies. Consumer demand for condensed milk and other canned foods rose sharply in the United States after the war was over. The first practical can openers were patented in the eighteen fifties, solving a long standing problem at that point. It was also in the mid nineteenth century that home canning technologies started to evolve. One step in that process was John L. Mason's patent for the Mason jar with a threaded neck that could accommodate a screw on cap, and that patent was issued in eighteen fifty eight. In eighteen sixty one, Isaac Solomon of Baltimore started adding calcium chloride to the water used for boiling cans, which raised its for sure from two hundred twelve to two hundred forty degrees fahrenheit that's from one hundred to one hundred fifteen degrees celsius. The higher heat let canneries reduce the cooking time required to make the food mostly safe. Then, after all of this decades of canning being in existence, in eighteen sixty four, Louis Pasteur concretely established the link between microbio contamination and spoilage. He was building on the work of earlier scientists who had determined that the yeast involved in fermentation was alive. He was trying to help a distiller figure out why his products were going sour during fermentation, and he discovered that bacteria were contaminating the fermentation process. This led to the development of pasteurization. This started to give canners more information to go on in terms of what temperatures they needed to use in canning and for how long, But at the same time there was still a lot of trial and error involved. Consequently, cannaries were extremely protective of their methods and formulas, and within the industry there was a lot of corporate espionage and attempts to entice skilled employees and the knowledge that they had developed away from their employers. Yeah. Really, your your formula for what you were canning and your process for doing it mostly safely, was just like a highly valuable piece of information and it totally made the difference on whether your cannary could succeed or fail. The first machine cut rather than handmade tens came out in eighteen sixty eight, and that was part of an overall trend within the canning industry to cut down on the time and labor that was required. At this point, low paid laborers, typically women, did a lot of the food preparation, the packing, and the labeling. Skilled ten smiths, who were usually men and were paid at a much higher rate, capped and sealed the cans. So the industry really worked toward mechanizing the lower paid jobs to reduce the need for labor there entirely, and then automating the task that required specialized training so that they could be done by less experienced workers. Other innovations shortened the cooking process, which both increased the factory's output and helped improve the quality of the food. One of these was the steam retort, patented by Andrew Shriver in eighteen seventy four. The steam retort was like an autoclave, which used steam and pressure to cook canned foods faster, but which also tended to explode in its first iterations. And there's just a surprising amount of things exploding in the history of canning. In Samuel C. Prescott and William Underwood started taking some of the mystery out of all of these times and temperatures that were needed for safe canning. Underwood was the director of Underwood Food Company, which canned a variety of foods, including red devil ham. Prescott was an assistant chemist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Underwood had gone to M. I. T For help because his company's canned clams kept spoiling, and while they were inspecting their goods before shipping to keep the spoiled clams off the market, This meant that they were just wasting a lot of product. They were canning a bunch of stuff that they had to throw away. They discovered that the culprit was a spore forming bacterium that could survive boiling for twenty four hours. Through trial and error, they discovered that ten minutes of exposure to pressurize steam at a hundred and twenty degrees celsius that's two degrees fahrenheit, would kill it. Prescott and Underwood then started examining other foods, figuring out which micro organisms were causing their spoilage and what needed to be done to kill those micro organisms. This was way more specific than the previous work, which had kind of worked out the time and the temperature but not really understanding why that was what worked most of the time. Prescott turned this work into a career that focused a lot on food safety and microbiology and played a huge role in reducing bacterial contamination and spoilage and canned foods. But in spite of his work, some things continued to be a problem, including specifically botuli is um. In the United States, for example, there weren't clear standards for botulism prevention in the canning industry until the nineteen twenties. That was after a series of outbreaks in the nineteen teens. Batualism contamination has also continued to be a rare but deadly issue in foods that are canned at home. Home canning was becoming more widely available and easier to do. By the late nineteenth century, The Ball Corporation started producing home canning jars. In four Care glass manufacturing corporations started doing the same thing. In nineteen o three and nineteen fifteen, Alexander Care was awarded a patent for a two piece metal canning lid, which replaced more complicated and harder to use lid systems from earlier models. Care built on the work of Julius Landsburger, who had created a canning lid that had incorporated a ceiling gasket. The first pressure canners for home use were developed by the early nineteen twenties, although at first they were so expensive that multiple households in the same family or community usually had to share one among them to make it cost effective. In nineteen o four, the Maxim's Machine Company of New York unveiled the double seam can. This involved a machine that rolled a metal sheet onto itself, creating a seam that only needed to be soldered on the outside. The machine also sealed the can and cramped the edges. In addition to making this whole process a lot less labor intensive, this also meant that there was no longer lead containing sawder on the inside of a can. The filling and opping process also became a lot easier. Before this point, most of the industry was filling cans through a hole in the cap and then ceiling just that whole. It took about fifteen years before double steam cans were really reliable, though before that they again tended to burst at the same by commercial canning lines could produce about thirty five thousand cans of food per day. It's a huge increase from the sixty cans a day back when tinsmiths were making cans by hand, and the cans today look a lot like they did in nineteen ten, although now they're more specialized coatings to protect the food quality, and their innovations like peel tops and aluminum cans for beverages. The industry has also seen a range of criticisms over the years, involving weather canned foods are healthy, everything from the botuli is um contamination that we already talked about, to the salt content of the food, to the use of things like bisfan al a and can construction. Even so, at least one thousand, five hundred different items are sold in tin plated steel cans today, and Americans alone used more than thirty six billion cans of food per year. In twenty eighteen, the global canned food market was valued at nine one point four billion dollars. That's billion. With the development of reliable, cost effective canning has had such an enormous impact on the world that it's kind of difficult to describe it in a concise way. In general, canning has made the global food supply more homogenized, so many foods became available outside of their regular growing season and outside of the region where they are grown, prepared, and traditionally eaten. Many farms moved from growing a variety of crops that their immediate community would need to growing a few crops to be sold to processing companies. The farms themselves consolidated, and so did the canning companies. Clearly, there is more involved with that whole shift than just canning, but canning is a significant piece of it. Yeah, Canning also made a lot of other things possible or at least a whole lot easier, including everything from the westward expansion of the United States to long term scientific voyages to warfare to food relief efforts. Like there's a lot of stuff that rests on the ability to get food to people, and canning made a lot of that a lot easier, whether people are buying canned goods from a store or canning food themselves. Canning has also made it possible for people to keep more food and more types of food on hands for emergencies in a way that just wasn't possible before it was developed. I mean, you might have a whole lot of dried fruit and and dried beans and hard tech and you know, some salted meat. That's a whole different world from just being able to open a can of corn anytime you want cane peaches, yeah, um, canned tomatoes when tomatoes are not in season. It's like, I mean, there's a whole other part of it about how things like air travel have made it possible to get foods that are in season some other completely different part of the world. Uh. That's that's that's like a whole other story. Um. I didn't write this in here, but like, if you have the means to contribute to a food bank near you, either with some canned goods or some money, there's such a huge need right now, and like I know that's not within the means of everyone right now, but like, if you can, there's a definite way to help people in this moment that we're living in. Yeah, I mean that's that's to me, Like the real gift of canning, at least in terms of how it impacts our modern world, is that, like there are so many ways of giving that are now available to people. You know, even you probably have it in mass Tusetts. I know we have it here in our community where the mail carrier will periodically be like we're doing a canning drive and all you gotta do is put it in a little bag and hang it on your mailbox and that goes to people that actually need that food. So just small things like that that seemings insignificant in your daily life, but it's a huge impact. Thanks to Nicola A pair. Yeah, um, so I'm glad we finally moved all of that up to the top of the list in this moment where it seems particularly relevant. I have some listener mail from Rebecca Um. Rebecca says, Hi, Tracy and Holly, I wanted to write to you about your recent episode about Ignatius Sancho and the episode you mentioned that there is a portrait of Sancho by Thomas Gainesboro in the National Gallery of Canada in Ottawa. I live in Ottawa and last week the National Gallery reopened for the first time since the start of the pandemic, and I was lucky enough to be able to visit. I wasn't sure where the portrait would be or if it would even be on display, but while walking through the allery, I saw the portrait and immediately knew it was him. The accompanying description noted Sancho's quote easy pose, saying his quote nonchalance and self confidence were considered appropriate for men of status, which I thought perfectly match your description of him in the episode. Thanks for everything you do on the show. I've been listening for eight years and I'm always struck by how thoughtful you both are in your choice of topics, your choice of words, and how you approach difficult issues in history. Stay healthy and sending lots of happy thoughts from Canada. All the best, Rebecca. Thank you so much for this note. Rebecca um I. I am glad to know that it's on display right now in uh in Ottawa. It's it's always tricky when you know something is in a collection of a particular museum. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's on display in the museum right now. Correct. 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Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy V. Wilson and I'm Holly Fry. Today we're going to talk about an innovation that dramatically changed how people around the world have dealt with food, and that's canning. It is a topic that has been on both of our short lists for a while. I think we talked about it like four years ago, Yeah, four years ago, and then more recently like there's it's it's been a thing that has come up a bunch of times, Um and I started thinking about it again earlier on. In the pandemic here in the US and in other parts of the world, we've we were having some disruptions in the supply chain. Folks were stocking up on non perishable stuff to get through shutdowns. And then there's also just been a huge, huge increase in the need for food from food banks in similar resources. And now we are recording this five months to the day after the World Health Organization declared COVID nineteen to be a pandemic. All of this stuff is still really relevant. And so after having put it aside for other things, having had it linger on both of our lists for so long I finally moved it back up to the top. So food preservation stretches back to the very beginnings of human history. It is generally agreed that people started smoking meat not long after learning to start a fire, and all over the world people have been smoking, drying, salting, curing, pickling, and fermenting food for thousands and thousands of years. People in cold climates figured out early on the frozen food lasted longer, and people have built structures like roots sellers and springhouses to keep food cooler so it will not spoil as quickly. In addition to just making their food last longer, people's around the world have developed food preservation techniques that are also culturally important or significant, and in some cases also delicious as well. Just as one example, we have a whole episode in the archive about how the world's cheeses tell the story of when and where they were developed, and one of the reasons for making cheese is that it can have a longer shelf life than fresh milk does, and trading in these preserved foods has also been a huge part of economies all over the world from millennia for example, people in coastal areas drying and salting fish to sell to people further inland. Most of these methods of food preservation, they come with some drawbacks, though Many extend shelf life for a few weeks or months, but not far beyond that, and some others will change the flavor or texture, or nutrient content, or even the overall quality of the food in a way that isn't necessarily desirable. For example, salted meat can be incredibly salty. I don't see why that's a problem, and soaking it to remove the salt also washes away water soluble nutrients. Curing food also takes a lot of sugar or salt, and those can be expensive or scarce, depending on when or where you're talking about. Yeah, obviously these are also just examples. Things can also get a lot more complicated with all of this if you are a nation that has gone to war with most of your neighbors, causing you to lose most of your trading partners while also needing to support an army and a navy. In other words, if you're France around the turn of the nineteenth century, Um, thanks for marjarine. Yeah, there's so much stuff that we've talked about on the show that is related to military history in France and the late seventeen hundred's early eight hundreds. Yeah, so some of the specifics of France's search for a better way to preserve food are a little bit fuzzy. There are a lot of general articles that described Napoleon's government offering a reward for a food preservation method that could help sustain the army and navy in seventeen ninety five, but Napoleon did not actually have control of the government in seventeen ninety five. He became first Consul in seventeen ninety nine, an Emperor of the French in eighteen o four. His highest rank in seventeen ninety five was Commander of the Army of the Interior. Other sources described the French Directoire, which was the French revolutionary government offering a reward in seventeen ninety five, or Napoleon himself offering it in eighteen hundred. The book that actually earned this award, though, does not mention any of that. Instead, it describes the Society for the Promotion of National Industry, which had been established in eighteen o one, which offered rewards for quote discoveries from which the nation and humanity may draw substantial benefits. The book also describes the agricultural Society putting out a call in eighteen no. Nine to quote, collect all the information and documents which might contribute to the composition of a work on the art of preserving by the best possible means every kind of elementary substance. The person who earned that prize for the development of canning leading to the writing of this book was Nicola A. Pare, who was awarded twelve thousand francs under the condition that he write up this detailed account of the work that he had done and provide the board with two hundred copies of that book printed at his own expense. I wonder how much that bit into that twelve thousand francs. It's a good question. A Pair was born in Chelan, mr now called Chelon and Champagna, France, on November seventy nine. He was the son of an innkeeper, and he did not have a formal academic education. He was interested in food and cooking, though, and he learned how to brew and pickle from his father, and he did apprentice with a chef in seventy, a pair moved to Paris, became a confectioner, and five years later he married Elizabeth ben Wat. The two of them went on to have five children, and by this point he had his own business, which combined a confectionery with the grocery store. He had enough money to spare that he donated to the revolutionary army during the French Revolution, and he was also prominent enough to represent his political district at the execution of Louis the sixteen. This also meant that he was prominent enough to be targeted during the Reign of Terror. He was arrested but ultimately cleared of suspicion. In the seventeen nineties, a Pair added a wholesale produce business to his confectionery and grocery store, and that seems to be when he became more interested in food preservation. But he was missing a huge piece of knowledge that really would have helped him in his research, and that was knowledge of microbiology. Back in we did an episode on Antony von leban Hook, who is known as the father of microbiology thanks to his spending a lot of time observing things through a microscope and documenting what he saw. He had started this work back in sixteen seventy three, but by a pair's lifetime two centuries later, this field was still really in its infancy. People didn't understand what these tiny things were that von Leavin Hook had described as animal cules. They didn't understand how they got there or what they did. A lot of people believed that these little things that he had documented so carefully, somehow just spontaneously generated. I still want there to be an animated series called animal Cules. I think that would be a lot of fun. I would watch it. It would sell like hotcake. UM just me. In seventeen sixty seven, so almost one years after von Leavin Hook started his work, priest and biologist Lazaro Spellanzani published a paper on this subject. He had done experiments with four vials of bras, one open, one sealed, one boiled and then left open, and one boiled and immediately sealed. When he looked at the broth under a microscope after some time had passed, the first three contained micro organisms. The fourth, that one that had been boiled and sealed, did not. Spelling Zani concluded that what he was seeing in those other three vials were living organisms that had been carried in from the air. Spellingsoni's work did not totally convince proponents of spontaneous generation, though they made arguments that like he had damaged some kind of vital essence that was necessary to spontaneous generation by boiling his broth for too long, he also hadn't really made the connection that the life forms that he was observing could spoil food or cause illness. But he did demonstrate that heating something up and also protecting it from exposure to the air accomplished something, and his work on this subject it was really the only thing in print when a Pair was doing this work that documented that connection. Poorly understood as it was, you've killed the animal fules No. A Pair became convinced that ceiling food away from air was the key to preserving it, and it took him almost fifteen years to come up with a method and to demonstrate that it worked. His conclusion after all that time quote, it is obvious that this new method of preserving animal and vegetable substance proceeds from the simple principle of applying heat in a due degree to the several substances after having deprived them as much as possible of all contact with the external air. We'll get into more details about that. After a quick sponsor break, Nicola A pair started trying to work out a way to preserve food in five and we understand today that what he was doing was getting the food hot enough to kill the microorganisms in it at least most of the time, but without cooking it so much that it became inedible. He was also keeping the food in a sealed container so that airborne microorganisms couldn't recontaminate it. The sealed environment also meant that if any bacteria survived the heating process, they would not have the oxygen that they needed to survive, although bacteria that did not need oxygen, like the one that causes botulis um still could potentially thrive. But a Pair didn't really know about the connections between micro organisms, food, spoilage, and illness. He didn't know what temperatures it took to kill these organisms, or how long they had to be at that temperature. He also didn't have a way to immediately tell whether he had been successful at any of it, so he had to do all of this work by trial and error, including just allowing time to pass before he opened his containers to see whether the food than them had spoiled, or whether the containers swelled up and burst or otherwise were visibly ruined. His first successful attempts were in eighteen o four, nine years after he started, but it took another five years before he was confident that he was seeing consistent results. Since a pair was really sure that air was what was causing food to spoil, he worked with glass containers closed with an air tight seal. Some of the first experiments he did he used champagne bottles, which were designed to be stronger than a lot of other glassware. Eventually he was using custom made vessels, ones that were roughly the size and shape of a champagne bottle for liquids, and ones that had a larger mouth more like a jar for solid foods. Although the specifics varied from one food to another, in every case the method of pair developed followed the same basic four step process. In his words translated from the French quote, it consists principally, first in enclosing in bottles the substance is to be preserved. Second, in corking the bottles with the utmost care for it is chiefly on the corking, that the success of the process depends third in submitting these enclosed substances to the action of boiling water in a water bath bonea marie, for a greater or less length of time, according to their nature, and in the manner pointed out with respect to each several kind of substance force In withdrawing the bottles from the water bath at the period described, Appair stressed that the cork used for this absolutely had to be high quality. You could not skimp on it. Cheap cork could break or leak and let the air in, and that would ruin the contents. The same was true for the glass, which had to be able to withstand the pressure of the cooking process and being jostled around and transport. Even with those precautions, though sometimes his bottles did break during cooking, and for this reason he put the bottles in jars into arpists made canvas or linen sacks, and then that would cushi the impact if they bumped against each other while they were cooking, and it would also contain all the pieces if they shattered. I remember my grandmother doing the same thing after cooking the bottled food for a greater or less length of time. According to their nature, A pair typically let things cool for about fifteen minutes before draining the water from the bath. Then he lent everything cool for another two hours or so before carefully removing and inspecting each bottle. Any that had cracked or developed some kind of flaw in the glass were discarded, so were any that had moisture around the cork, which was a sign that they weren't actually airtight. Even after all this careful inspection, though, there were still times when the food went bad. A pair identified several possible failure points as the cause of this. In some cases, the bottle itself was to blame and had some kind of flaw that wasn't immediately evident. But beyond that, he noted four sources of spoilage quote one from a bad cork too from bad corking, three from the bottle having been filled too near the brim, and four from bad tying that was the tying of the cork to keep it in place. He also noted, quote a single one of these faults is sufficient to spoil a bottle more easily. Therefore a complication of them. The book that a pair wrote to document all of this was called the Art of Preserving All kinds of Animal and vegetable substances for several years, and it describes a number of modifications of the basic process to get the best results when working with various foods. This includes boiled meat, gravy, broth, various cuts of meat, new laid eggs, milk, cream way vegetables peas, asparagus, which are vegetables, but they get specific natures, various beans, artichokes, cauliflower, sorrel, herbs, fruits, juices, chestnuts, truffles, and mushrooms, and soups. His breakdown of categories is funny to me because there are some things where it's like, peas and asparagus are vegetables. Also artichokes and cauliflower are well, So there's the general vegetable version, and then there's this is actually best for peas though, yes. So he found peas to be the vegetable that was the hardest to work with. If they were harvested too young, they were so tender that they just disintegrated in the cooking process. But if they were harvested just a few days later, they tended to lose their flavor or else they would ferment and cause the bottles to explode. Milk had to be condensed before preserving, and he found that unless egg yolks were added in there, the cream settled out of it as flakes. When you used it later and heated it back up, that would be reincorporated, but it wasn't that attractive in the bottle. They're also canned eggs, recommending actually laid eggs for the best results, put into a jar with bread crumbs to fill up the spaces and protect the eggs from breakage. For strawberries, he found that he had to add a lot of sugar, but even then their color really faded. A pair also detailed how to use foods that had been preserved through his methods, and in a lot of cases, who was basically I use these how i'd use them normally, or I've warmed this up with a little bit of salt. Reading through that part of the book was really funny to me, because a lot of it really is I drained the water out of this and cook it and eat it. Some of them was like I dilute this condensed soup and then I eat it. It's uh, I don't know that part of it delighted me. In addition to keeping bottles and jars of food on hand to see his results for himself, a Pair also gave samples of them to various people in the French army and navy and other officials, who opened them up after months or years and then eight or served what was inside, and then reported the results back to him. His book included a written report from the Society for the Encouragement of National Industry, whose committee had received samples of pot consummate, milk, way, green peas, small windsor beans, cherries, apricots, current juice, and raspberries. Overall, the committee described each of these foods as retaining their flavor and their character, and just generally being excellent. A Pair published his book, and in eighteen ten he collected his monetary award. Within a year, the book had been translated into multiple other languages. He was also awarded a gold medal from the Society for the Encouragement of National Industry. A Pair seems to have understood that his invention could do a lot more than just provide food for the army, which had been part of the reasoning for this work in the first place, and his practical remarks at the end of the book, he wrote, quote medicine will find in this method the means of relieving humanity, by the facility of meeting every rewhere and in all seasons, animal substances, and all kinds of vegetables, as well as their juices, preserved with all their natural qualities and virtues, by the same means that will obtain resources infinitely precious in the production of distant regions, preserved in their fresh state. He went on to say, quote from this method will arise a new branch of industry relative to the productions of France, by their circulation through the interior and their exportation abroad of the produce with which nature has blessed the different countries. And then he concluded, quote Finally, this invention cannot fail to enlarge the domain of chemistry and become the common benefit of all countries, which will derive the most precious fruits from it. So many advantages and an infinity of others, which the imagination of the reader will easily conceive produced by one and the same cause, are a source of astonishment. He was really not wrong or overstating any of this. Canning really changed the world in a lot of ways, and it has also evolved a lot from a Pair's work with glass bottles and jars back in the late seventeen hundreds and early eighteen hundreds. Hit the highlights on that evolution after a sponsor break. As is just so often the case, we can't really get into the details of every single development in the world of canning in the course of one episode, so we're just going to touch on some of the biggest moments. Almost immediately after Nicola a Pair worked out his methods using glass containers, people also started doing the same thing with metal cans. In eighteen ten, Peter Durand of England was awarded a patent for preserving foods and a range of vessels, including tin coated iron cans. These cans were made by rolling a sheet of iron on a cylindrical form and then soldering the top and bottom of the can onto it. Steam escaped from a hol during cooking, and then that hole was soldered shut afterward. This, even though he got the patent for it, was not his own invention, though it had been quote communicated to him by a certain foreigner living abroad. That person was Philippe de Girard of France. Who had apparently gone to London to pursue his work because of administrative hassles at home. But since Britain and France were at war, de Girard could not apply for a British patent himself, so Durand applied for the patent on his behalf and then sold it to Brian Duncan of Duncan Iron Works. Tin Coated iron had some advantages over glass, the biggest being that it was not so fragile. But these early cams were also a lot different from the ones that are in use today. They were a whole lot thicker and heavier, and a tin smith had to make each one of them by hand. The solder that was used to steal the seams also typically contained lead, which could lead into the food and cause lead poisoning. The canning process itself could be incredibly time intensive, with the cooking process taking several hours at a minimum, and that meant the quality of the food often was not that great, which was compounded by the fact that a lot of what was being canned was sort of the cast off stuff. It wasn't pretty or fresh enough to be sold at a market. Also, no one had invented a can opener, yet, so getting the food out of these tents was a hassle even with a can opener, I struck. Even so, by eighteen twelve Duncan had a factory up and running, it wasn't providing food to the general population, though the cans themselves held up to thirty pounds of food, and Duncan's primary customer was the British Royal Navy. Even within the Navy, canned food was mostly reserved for very long voyages or expeditions that wouldn't have good opportunities to resupply, and also for hospitals that were treating sick and convalescing men. A Pair was still working in France and he opened the first commercial cannery there in eighteen twelve, although it was destroyed in eighteen fourteen as a result of the Napoleonic Wars. He had to rebuild after the war was over. Pairs new factory used ten cans rather than glass. Canning was also spreading beyond Europe in the early nineteenth century, with Robert Ayer's opening a cannery in New York City in eighteen twelve and other canneries in the US following from there. But still people didn't really know why canning worked. They just knew that it did most of the time. Sometimes cans swelled up and exploded, or when they were opened, the food inside was spoiled, but people just didn't really know why. To protect their reputations, canneries often stored their products for a while before shipping them out to customers, inspecting them for signs of swelling or other indicators of spoilage before filling their orders. For the next few decades, the canning industry continued to grow and evolve. Nicola Apare died on June three of eighteen forty one at the age of ninety one. Although he had received numerous awards for his work during his lifetime, and he had also done other work in the world of food. He had developed bully on cubes, he had created a method of extracting gelatine, and he'd also developed an autoclave in addition to his work on canning. He died alone and was buried as a pauper. By the time of a Pair's death, canned food was becoming more available outside of military context, but often it hadn't really been accepted by the general public in many places. That started to change as soldiers returned from war having gotten used to eating canned foods while they were serving. For example, in the United States, Gail Borden received a patent for canning condensed milk in eighteen fifty six. His factory could make sixteen courts of it per day, and during the US Civil War there was so much demand for it from the Union Army that Borden had to license his method to other factories. Confederate soldiers got a taste for condensed milk in hospitals and prisoner of war camps, and also after raiding Union supplies. Consumer demand for condensed milk and other canned foods rose sharply in the United States after the war was over. The first practical can openers were patented in the eighteen fifties, solving a long standing problem at that point. It was also in the mid nineteenth century that home canning technologies started to evolve. One step in that process was John L. Mason's patent for the Mason jar with a threaded neck that could accommodate a screw on cap, and that patent was issued in eighteen fifty eight. In eighteen sixty one, Isaac Solomon of Baltimore started adding calcium chloride to the water used for boiling cans, which raised its for sure from two hundred twelve to two hundred forty degrees fahrenheit that's from one hundred to one hundred fifteen degrees celsius. The higher heat let canneries reduce the cooking time required to make the food mostly safe. Then, after all of this decades of canning being in existence, in eighteen sixty four, Louis Pasteur concretely established the link between microbio contamination and spoilage. He was building on the work of earlier scientists who had determined that the yeast involved in fermentation was alive. He was trying to help a distiller figure out why his products were going sour during fermentation, and he discovered that bacteria were contaminating the fermentation process. This led to the development of pasteurization. This started to give canners more information to go on in terms of what temperatures they needed to use in canning and for how long, But at the same time there was still a lot of trial and error involved. Consequently, cannaries were extremely protective of their methods and formulas, and within the industry there was a lot of corporate espionage and attempts to entice skilled employees and the knowledge that they had developed away from their employers. Yeah. Really, your your formula for what you were canning and your process for doing it mostly safely, was just like a highly valuable piece of information and it totally made the difference on whether your cannary could succeed or fail. The first machine cut rather than handmade tens came out in eighteen sixty eight, and that was part of an overall trend within the canning industry to cut down on the time and labor that was required. At this point, low paid laborers, typically women, did a lot of the food preparation, the packing, and the labeling. Skilled ten smiths, who were usually men and were paid at a much higher rate, capped and sealed the cans. So the industry really worked toward mechanizing the lower paid jobs to reduce the need for labor there entirely, and then automating the task that required specialized training so that they could be done by less experienced workers. Other innovations shortened the cooking process, which both increased the factory's output and helped improve the quality of the food. One of these was the steam retort, patented by Andrew Shriver in eighteen seventy four. The steam retort was like an autoclave, which used steam and pressure to cook canned foods faster, but which also tended to explode in its first iterations. And there's just a surprising amount of things exploding in the history of canning. In Samuel C. Prescott and William Underwood started taking some of the mystery out of all of these times and temperatures that were needed for safe canning. Underwood was the director of Underwood Food Company, which canned a variety of foods, including red devil ham. Prescott was an assistant chemist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Underwood had gone to M. I. T For help because his company's canned clams kept spoiling, and while they were inspecting their goods before shipping to keep the spoiled clams off the market, This meant that they were just wasting a lot of product. They were canning a bunch of stuff that they had to throw away. They discovered that the culprit was a spore forming bacterium that could survive boiling for twenty four hours. Through trial and error, they discovered that ten minutes of exposure to pressurize steam at a hundred and twenty degrees celsius that's two degrees fahrenheit, would kill it. Prescott and Underwood then started examining other foods, figuring out which micro organisms were causing their spoilage and what needed to be done to kill those micro organisms. This was way more specific than the previous work, which had kind of worked out the time and the temperature but not really understanding why that was what worked most of the time. Prescott turned this work into a career that focused a lot on food safety and microbiology and played a huge role in reducing bacterial contamination and spoilage and canned foods. But in spite of his work, some things continued to be a problem, including specifically botuli is um. In the United States, for example, there weren't clear standards for botulism prevention in the canning industry until the nineteen twenties. That was after a series of outbreaks in the nineteen teens. Batualism contamination has also continued to be a rare but deadly issue in foods that are canned at home. Home canning was becoming more widely available and easier to do. By the late nineteenth century, The Ball Corporation started producing home canning jars. In four Care glass manufacturing corporations started doing the same thing. In nineteen o three and nineteen fifteen, Alexander Care was awarded a patent for a two piece metal canning lid, which replaced more complicated and harder to use lid systems from earlier models. Care built on the work of Julius Landsburger, who had created a canning lid that had incorporated a ceiling gasket. The first pressure canners for home use were developed by the early nineteen twenties, although at first they were so expensive that multiple households in the same family or community usually had to share one among them to make it cost effective. In nineteen o four, the Maxim's Machine Company of New York unveiled the double seam can. This involved a machine that rolled a metal sheet onto itself, creating a seam that only needed to be soldered on the outside. The machine also sealed the can and cramped the edges. In addition to making this whole process a lot less labor intensive, this also meant that there was no longer lead containing sawder on the inside of a can. The filling and opping process also became a lot easier. Before this point, most of the industry was filling cans through a hole in the cap and then ceiling just that whole. It took about fifteen years before double steam cans were really reliable, though before that they again tended to burst at the same by commercial canning lines could produce about thirty five thousand cans of food per day. It's a huge increase from the sixty cans a day back when tinsmiths were making cans by hand, and the cans today look a lot like they did in nineteen ten, although now they're more specialized coatings to protect the food quality, and their innovations like peel tops and aluminum cans for beverages. The industry has also seen a range of criticisms over the years, involving weather canned foods are healthy, everything from the botuli is um contamination that we already talked about, to the salt content of the food, to the use of things like bisfan al a and can construction. Even so, at least one thousand, five hundred different items are sold in tin plated steel cans today, and Americans alone used more than thirty six billion cans of food per year. In twenty eighteen, the global canned food market was valued at nine one point four billion dollars. That's billion. With the development of reliable, cost effective canning has had such an enormous impact on the world that it's kind of difficult to describe it in a concise way. In general, canning has made the global food supply more homogenized, so many foods became available outside of their regular growing season and outside of the region where they are grown, prepared, and traditionally eaten. Many farms moved from growing a variety of crops that their immediate community would need to growing a few crops to be sold to processing companies. The farms themselves consolidated, and so did the canning companies. Clearly, there is more involved with that whole shift than just canning, but canning is a significant piece of it. Yeah, Canning also made a lot of other things possible or at least a whole lot easier, including everything from the westward expansion of the United States to long term scientific voyages to warfare to food relief efforts. Like there's a lot of stuff that rests on the ability to get food to people, and canning made a lot of that a lot easier, whether people are buying canned goods from a store or canning food themselves. Canning has also made it possible for people to keep more food and more types of food on hands for emergencies in a way that just wasn't possible before it was developed. I mean, you might have a whole lot of dried fruit and and dried beans and hard tech and you know, some salted meat. That's a whole different world from just being able to open a can of corn anytime you want cane peaches, yeah, um, canned tomatoes when tomatoes are not in season. It's like, I mean, there's a whole other part of it about how things like air travel have made it possible to get foods that are in season some other completely different part of the world. Uh. That's that's that's like a whole other story. Um. I didn't write this in here, but like, if you have the means to contribute to a food bank near you, either with some canned goods or some money, there's such a huge need right now, and like I know that's not within the means of everyone right now, but like, if you can, there's a definite way to help people in this moment that we're living in. Yeah, I mean that's that's to me, Like the real gift of canning, at least in terms of how it impacts our modern world, is that, like there are so many ways of giving that are now available to people. You know, even you probably have it in mass Tusetts. I know we have it here in our community where the mail carrier will periodically be like we're doing a canning drive and all you gotta do is put it in a little bag and hang it on your mailbox and that goes to people that actually need that food. So just small things like that that seemings insignificant in your daily life, but it's a huge impact. Thanks to Nicola A pair. Yeah, um, so I'm glad we finally moved all of that up to the top of the list in this moment where it seems particularly relevant. I have some listener mail from Rebecca Um. Rebecca says, Hi, Tracy and Holly, I wanted to write to you about your recent episode about Ignatius Sancho and the episode you mentioned that there is a portrait of Sancho by Thomas Gainesboro in the National Gallery of Canada in Ottawa. I live in Ottawa and last week the National Gallery reopened for the first time since the start of the pandemic, and I was lucky enough to be able to visit. I wasn't sure where the portrait would be or if it would even be on display, but while walking through the allery, I saw the portrait and immediately knew it was him. The accompanying description noted Sancho's quote easy pose, saying his quote nonchalance and self confidence were considered appropriate for men of status, which I thought perfectly match your description of him in the episode. Thanks for everything you do on the show. I've been listening for eight years and I'm always struck by how thoughtful you both are in your choice of topics, your choice of words, and how you approach difficult issues in history. Stay healthy and sending lots of happy thoughts from Canada. All the best, Rebecca. Thank you so much for this note. Rebecca um I. I am glad to know that it's on display right now in uh in Ottawa. It's it's always tricky when you know something is in a collection of a particular museum. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's on display in the museum right now. Correct. 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