Welcome to stuff you missed in History class A production of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson and I'm Molly Fry. Why is that funny? UM, it sounded like you were like on ramping hello and welcome to them. Then you got you. That's great. I feel like we're just incredibly punchy at this point in our lives and the pandemic recording recording podcasts. We recorded our Unearthed episodes for January February in March of twenty one. I was pleased to find that there was enough interesting stuff to have two parts, and as is always a case, I also had other stuff that um I did not include for one reason or another along the way. UM, they had something in the first part that you particularly responded to that you said we were going to say for the behind the scenes. I think I have said this before when we've talked about similar things happening on on Earth. But in my head, because there are so many instances of those Sulawesi wardy pigs that show up, uh in very very very ancient art, I just presumed that was like a trend like people had, like you know, kitchen pigs, and it's just that like we through the lens of history and trying to interpret it or like, is this is important to their culture and we're going to find out it was like the kitch of their era. Yeah. Uh, they're definitely a lot of pigs in that general area. UM. It reminds me a little what you just said. It reminds me of some of the discussion of um, the cave art, that is, people making handprints by you know, putting the paint around their hands, so their handprint is like the negative space, and how in some places that is there's just a lot of that and it's sort of similar of like what what specifically was prompting folks to want to do this with their art? Over and over? Was this an ancient preschool Yet I was really tickled. I was simultaneously chagrined but also tickled by this. Um this horse step that turned out to be an artifact. UM. I mean, obviously ideally it would not. It would have been better had there just not been this trend of people taking artifacts back with them when they went on their grand tours of the continent. That's not ideal. But also there are so many times when I see something around my house and I'm like, has that always been that way? That? You know? I'm kind of glad that some person stepped on this horse block for a decade before being like, there's a laurel wreath on here, I've never noticed that before. There's also part of me I've see I don't love that it was probably taken from where it originally came from, almost certainly without permission, But there is part of me that loves just the the interconnectivity of it that's evidenced across time and place right that, like, there could be a thing in your life today that you prize, and in two hundred years somebody could be using it to like do something very mundane, and I kind of love that idea that it would just be reappropriated as a different I don't mean that in the sense of like taking things, but just like re envisioned as having a completely different use than it originally had, and that being important in its own way. I don't know that's I probably have an overly romantic view of things in that regard. Yeah, I have a an antique loom shuttle sitting on my desk as like a decoration in a podcasting corner here in my little home office. Uh and it Uh. I had not really thought about the fact that, you know, somebody was using that loom, that shuttle to make their living on a loom and now it's a decoration in my home office with a computer. Yes, um, I mean I think about that all the time with various objects, both the objects that I have now that are contemporary and what they will be perceived as one day. You know, I always joke that, like there's going to be a civilization one day that unearths my house and comes to believe that, like there was a religion based around a strange green alien creature because I have so much grito stuff in my house, and like just the way that it will be misinterpreted one day. It's like this was clearly culturally very important. It's culturally very important. It certainly is to me. But you know there are things like that that I always wonder what we're getting wrong when we look at these things, and and it reaches back to the suluaisi pig thing, right, like what we're interpreting incorrectly that might be mundane or like I said, like kitch. While it's often associated with the modern era, like everyone has as human beings, and I think even many animals have this capacity for just like delight in the simple or absurd or ornamental, And so I feel like we forget that sometimes and presume everything has meaning when really maybe they really all did have kitchen pigs and it was just a funny thing that they all Yeah, which is not too in any way downplay the importance of interpretation and analysis, but I always wonder, like, are you thinking about the fact that these were just people living day to day and trying to figure their lives out and get their needs met and maybe it's just something funny to them. Yeah. I think it was the most recent unearthed before this one that we talked about, uh, interpreting grave goods and how, um, you know, even if you're trying to be really objective, still your your understanding of why a person might bury specific goods in a grave, Like there's a filter through your own understanding and experience. It's like coming through that. And one of the things that um that I had bookmarked for this to potentially be part of this on Earth that we didn't actually wind up putting in the episode was a study of of graves in Europe that previously had been people had been buried with a lot of grave goods, and then almost at the same time, all across these different burial sites all across Europe, it was like people stopped burying people with so many grave goods. Um And how that suggested a lot of interconnectivity among these different cultures and how people were approaching burying the dead, And that was one of the things that I was like, asked, these seems really interesting to me, um, But I also like didn't find a great place to put it into into the episode. Some of the other things that I left out were things that were just really tragic that didn't feel like there was a reason to talk about them. Um. Like, I feel like we had a particularly distressing group of exhumations this time around, because a lot of them were like people who were the victims of a horrifying massacre. To try to identify their bodies, like that was really and you know, these are a lot of these are people who have descendants and family we are still living today, so it feels like somebody's really important to talk about. But some of the things that I found h were these conclusions that were just incredibly tragic, and I was like, this doesn't feel like it has a connection to life that we need to really get into. And we all collectively as a planet have been living through a year of pandemic. So maybe let's not have the needlessly really upsetting ones that don't feel like they have a reason to be included in this particular installment. Yeah, uh, less harrowing. But one of the things that came up in this this set of unearthed UM that is a reminder to me of why I have started and abandoned this one topic a dozen times is um the research around the common origin of dogs in Siberia. UM. Similarly, we did a history of of house cats a while back and that got outdated pretty quickly. But similarly, I feel like dogs because many people I don't know, I don't want to generalize, and so many people have a more vested interest in dogs and culture. But dogs are not quite the same level of independent as cats often, right, Like, yeah, we talked about how cats would like kind of get shipped with green so that you can keep the rodents out of the things, but they're not so much considered like and you will love this cat and it will sleep on your bed, and it will. But the dog always tend to stick closer to the people, so we know more about them. They're more deeply studied. Um. And it's like one of those things where there's always more things like this where I'm like, I don't even know how I would begin to sort out all of the information that we have about dogs. There's a lot because it gets outdated like month to month in some cases. That also makes it tricky. But perhaps one day I'll get very brave about it. Maybe. So that seems like a good place to wrap this little behind the scenes. Uh, Happy Friday again everyone. I hope folks have a good weekend, whatever is on on your plate, whenever is in store for you. We'll be back tomorrow with a classic out of the archive, and then Monday with another new episode. And if you haven't subscribed to our show, you can. Let's send the I heart Radio app and Apple podcasts basically anywhere you could subscribe to a podcast. M Stuff you Missed in History Class is a production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from I heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. H

Welcome to stuff you missed in History class A production of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson and I'm Molly Fry. Why is that funny? UM, it sounded like you were like on ramping hello and welcome to them. Then you got you. That's great. I feel like we're just incredibly punchy at this point in our lives and the pandemic recording recording podcasts. We recorded our Unearthed episodes for January February in March of twenty one. I was pleased to find that there was enough interesting stuff to have two parts, and as is always a case, I also had other stuff that um I did not include for one reason or another along the way. UM, they had something in the first part that you particularly responded to that you said we were going to say for the behind the scenes. I think I have said this before when we've talked about similar things happening on on Earth. But in my head, because there are so many instances of those Sulawesi wardy pigs that show up, uh in very very very ancient art, I just presumed that was like a trend like people had, like you know, kitchen pigs, and it's just that like we through the lens of history and trying to interpret it or like, is this is important to their culture and we're going to find out it was like the kitch of their era. Yeah. Uh, they're definitely a lot of pigs in that general area. UM. It reminds me a little what you just said. It reminds me of some of the discussion of um, the cave art, that is, people making handprints by you know, putting the paint around their hands, so their handprint is like the negative space, and how in some places that is there's just a lot of that and it's sort of similar of like what what specifically was prompting folks to want to do this with their art? Over and over? Was this an ancient preschool Yet I was really tickled. I was simultaneously chagrined but also tickled by this. Um this horse step that turned out to be an artifact. UM. I mean, obviously ideally it would not. It would have been better had there just not been this trend of people taking artifacts back with them when they went on their grand tours of the continent. That's not ideal. But also there are so many times when I see something around my house and I'm like, has that always been that way? That? You know? I'm kind of glad that some person stepped on this horse block for a decade before being like, there's a laurel wreath on here, I've never noticed that before. There's also part of me I've see I don't love that it was probably taken from where it originally came from, almost certainly without permission, But there is part of me that loves just the the interconnectivity of it that's evidenced across time and place right that, like, there could be a thing in your life today that you prize, and in two hundred years somebody could be using it to like do something very mundane, and I kind of love that idea that it would just be reappropriated as a different I don't mean that in the sense of like taking things, but just like re envisioned as having a completely different use than it originally had, and that being important in its own way. I don't know that's I probably have an overly romantic view of things in that regard. Yeah, I have a an antique loom shuttle sitting on my desk as like a decoration in a podcasting corner here in my little home office. Uh and it Uh. I had not really thought about the fact that, you know, somebody was using that loom, that shuttle to make their living on a loom and now it's a decoration in my home office with a computer. Yes, um, I mean I think about that all the time with various objects, both the objects that I have now that are contemporary and what they will be perceived as one day. You know, I always joke that, like there's going to be a civilization one day that unearths my house and comes to believe that, like there was a religion based around a strange green alien creature because I have so much grito stuff in my house, and like just the way that it will be misinterpreted one day. It's like this was clearly culturally very important. It's culturally very important. It certainly is to me. But you know there are things like that that I always wonder what we're getting wrong when we look at these things, and and it reaches back to the suluaisi pig thing, right, like what we're interpreting incorrectly that might be mundane or like I said, like kitch. While it's often associated with the modern era, like everyone has as human beings, and I think even many animals have this capacity for just like delight in the simple or absurd or ornamental, And so I feel like we forget that sometimes and presume everything has meaning when really maybe they really all did have kitchen pigs and it was just a funny thing that they all Yeah, which is not too in any way downplay the importance of interpretation and analysis, but I always wonder, like, are you thinking about the fact that these were just people living day to day and trying to figure their lives out and get their needs met and maybe it's just something funny to them. Yeah. I think it was the most recent unearthed before this one that we talked about, uh, interpreting grave goods and how, um, you know, even if you're trying to be really objective, still your your understanding of why a person might bury specific goods in a grave, Like there's a filter through your own understanding and experience. It's like coming through that. And one of the things that um that I had bookmarked for this to potentially be part of this on Earth that we didn't actually wind up putting in the episode was a study of of graves in Europe that previously had been people had been buried with a lot of grave goods, and then almost at the same time, all across these different burial sites all across Europe, it was like people stopped burying people with so many grave goods. Um And how that suggested a lot of interconnectivity among these different cultures and how people were approaching burying the dead, And that was one of the things that I was like, asked, these seems really interesting to me, um, But I also like didn't find a great place to put it into into the episode. Some of the other things that I left out were things that were just really tragic that didn't feel like there was a reason to talk about them. Um. Like, I feel like we had a particularly distressing group of exhumations this time around, because a lot of them were like people who were the victims of a horrifying massacre. To try to identify their bodies, like that was really and you know, these are a lot of these are people who have descendants and family we are still living today, so it feels like somebody's really important to talk about. But some of the things that I found h were these conclusions that were just incredibly tragic, and I was like, this doesn't feel like it has a connection to life that we need to really get into. And we all collectively as a planet have been living through a year of pandemic. So maybe let's not have the needlessly really upsetting ones that don't feel like they have a reason to be included in this particular installment. Yeah, uh, less harrowing. But one of the things that came up in this this set of unearthed UM that is a reminder to me of why I have started and abandoned this one topic a dozen times is um the research around the common origin of dogs in Siberia. UM. Similarly, we did a history of of house cats a while back and that got outdated pretty quickly. But similarly, I feel like dogs because many people I don't know, I don't want to generalize, and so many people have a more vested interest in dogs and culture. But dogs are not quite the same level of independent as cats often, right, Like, yeah, we talked about how cats would like kind of get shipped with green so that you can keep the rodents out of the things, but they're not so much considered like and you will love this cat and it will sleep on your bed, and it will. But the dog always tend to stick closer to the people, so we know more about them. They're more deeply studied. Um. And it's like one of those things where there's always more things like this where I'm like, I don't even know how I would begin to sort out all of the information that we have about dogs. There's a lot because it gets outdated like month to month in some cases. That also makes it tricky. But perhaps one day I'll get very brave about it. Maybe. So that seems like a good place to wrap this little behind the scenes. Uh, Happy Friday again everyone. I hope folks have a good weekend, whatever is on on your plate, whenever is in store for you. We'll be back tomorrow with a classic out of the archive, and then Monday with another new episode. And if you haven't subscribed to our show, you can. Let's send the I heart Radio app and Apple podcasts basically anywhere you could subscribe to a podcast. M Stuff you Missed in History Class is a production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from I heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. H