Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday and Holly Fry And I'm Tracy B. Wilson. So this week we dallied with pie a little bit. We did. You want to know why I ended up doing this episode. I do. I have a very close friend who I love more than most humans on earth, who is adamant that if it is savory, it should not be called pie. Okay, had this debate for many years, and I'm like, no, my love savory pies were here first, like everything was pie, and so I just, uh, I love savory pie. Hello, savory pie. I love all the pies. Our Christmas dinner this year, in the throes of all macron covid spike when we saw no one, uh was um a chicken pie that I got as a pickup order from a local bakery. Um, along with some sides that we had to go with it, And it was so good. I love a I love a savory pie. I love a chicken pot pie. I am less enthused than people would think about shepherd's pie. I love a shepherd's pie. I like it, but I want it in a crust. Yeah, like I love the mashed potatoes on top, but like a crust would is really what I'm after in a pie. It is kind of uh, and it doesn't follow some of the rules of what you would call a pie. It's more of a cast role. Yeah, just fine. That's another thing from like the the first long stretch of the pandemic, when we, you know, we were not eating in restaurants or really for a while ordering food from restaurants at our house. I had this stretch where I was like, you know what, I what I just really want to do so bad is just go to a bar and have a Shepherd's Pie and a beer. And it doesn't even need to be good. Shepherd's Pie can be adequate, mediocre, adequate, medio. It was just like that whole experience I missed so much. Um And none of the restaurants since we did start ordering more take out, none of the restaurants near us had Shepherd's Pie on the menu. UM. One did for St. Patrick's Day the other day, and I did get some St. Patrick's Day Shepherd's pie. Nice. Do you have a favorite pie? Oh? Man? So that would be really hard to narrow down in terms of a sweet pie. I really do like cherry pie. Um. I also like pumpkin pie a lot, except I will often treat the pumpkin pie as a vehicle to get the whipped cream into my mouth. Oh no, pumpkin pie for days. Um. I like a lot of different uh, a lot of different savory pies. Chicken pot pie is really good. Chicken and dumplings is not really a pie, but sometimes in the wintertime, my spouse makes chicken and dumplings and it's so good and so comforting. I um, yeah, pumpkin pie forever, I love it. My husband's favorites are pecan pie and key lime pie. Key lime pie is delicious. It is very good. I've never managed to get one exactly right, but I His beloved Aunt Beth, who is now no longer with us, used to make him a pecam pie anytime he visited, and he would talk about Aunt bess amazing pecam pie. And I finally was like Aunt Beeth, who I loved that woman? Um, she was like walking history. She knew everything about everything. Um. But I had asked her about it, she was like, I just got it off the bag and it was whoops up. So so I, UM, I have since made many pecompies for him, um, which I also love. Yeah. Um. On the very first Jonathan Colton Cruise, one of the first nights, uh, they had key lime pie on the menu for as one as the one of the dessert options, and almost our whole table ordered that. And then we saw the table behind us send their key lime pie back in Unison and we were like what we We were like, what what was up with your pie? Um? And it it blessed whoever was working in the kitchen. They had not made a good key lime pie and and somebody said it tasted like sadness, and sadness pie then became like a cruise and joke. But after that it was like for a while, anytime I saw Keilim pie on the menu, I ordered it to try to erase the memory of a one that just it just had no flavor. I wonder if they actually used key lime in it or not, because that will like a regular lime juice subout, is not acceptable. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. Um. I'm sure there's some chemistry related reason of like the acidity of each different one or something, but it doesn't taste right. Um. Qui li pie I could eat. So when I was a child, Um, when we needed to take it assert somewhere and my mom just did not have time, she would make this pie called hershey Bar pie, which you took uh, five of the six Hershey Bars in a six pack of Hershey Bars. You melted them and folded them into a container of cool whip. Now put that into the fridge, bouh in a in a crust like in a Graham cracker crust, I think is what it would go in. Extremely that's way more delicious than it has any right to listen. Sometimes it's magical. We mentioned that we were going to talk about this abolitionist thing in pumpkin Pie. Yeah, And what people often reference is that, Um, several abolitionists that also wrote about cookery wrote about pumpkin pie, which is true. Sarah Hale is often brought up as she wrote about a lot of food. Yeah yeah Um. She also did have an anti slavery novel which was called Northwood, and it had pumpkin pie in it, and his referenced as being the best dish on the table or the most distinguished dish on the table. And so I think people have made those connections that it might be a clue because Lydia Mariah Child also talked about pumpkin pie of course in her um New England Thanksgiving poetry. Um. But again, those are all kind of like you're connecting dots, but it's not necessarily like clear to me. Yeah. I remember also seeing some discussion of there were a lot more people growing pumpkins in their little home farm plots, and it was more of a like small garden kind of crop rather than the sort of like much larger crop that would be that would have an enslaved workforce, and like people making a connection there, and it it just it all felt like to me when I was reading all of that that it was sort of pulling together some things to build a story. And I was like, I'm not I would like this a lot more if somebody had unearthed an essay that someone had written about how we should all eat uh pumpkin pies the symbol of our abolitionist feelings. Yeah, I mean, like you, it's like it seems like they're interesting things going on that then have a lot of additional meaning ascribed to them, when it is just as likely that because pumpkins grow all over North America pretty readily and and are pretty easy. I mean, a pumpkin pie is actually quite easy to make. Um that you know, to me, it seems natural that a lot of people would have adopted pumpkin pie and really loved it, because I certainly do. Um. So, yeah, it's a little it's a little bit of a stretch. It feels to me perhaps some piece of information will be unearth that will change all of our minds and be like, Nope, it really was a secret code, but not so far, especially because it's still involved sugar. Yeah, which most there were abolitionists that were like, no, I'm not baking sweet things because I don't want to be part of that. Um, but pumpkin pie. I didn't. Ever, I didn't stumble across any that were like, don't you sugar, which would have supported that idea a little bit more. Yeah, but no, but I sure want to bake pie. I know it's springtime. I'm ready for a pumpkin pie. May have to happen. I will tell you one of the saddest things that ever happened to me. This is like pathetic. You know how when like you go to someone else's house for a holiday and you have those things you love about the holiday, and then they're not the same at that. I will not say who, but I had gone to someone's house for the first time for a holiday and I had said something about will there be pumpkin pie beforehand, and they were like, oh, yeah, we can do that. And what I didn't know was that in their head they said, we'll go buy a frozen pumpkin pie and throw it in and like not to dog on anybody that does that, but like, pumpkin pie is so easy to make. Oh man, gave me the sads. Yeah, I'm very pro pumpkin pie. That whole like pie is addictive and is a monster, was shocker to me. Yeah, that was very strident and its arguments against pie. And there were a lot of people in that camp that were like, no pie is there were there was like a significant number of physicians that were like, we gotta get Americans to stop eating pie, which again, like nutritionally, yes, you should not be eating pie all the time for every meal, but that's like true of any balanced diet, right, But um, it was I'm fascinated by the tug of war over pie. And of course now everyone is like as American as apple pie, and I'm like, that's English, but right, all right, let's go bake pies. Let's be on the show. We talked about the gallat at eleven. We sure did contributions to the Space program. I when I saw that conversation on Twitter that we talked about at the end of the episode, I was like, that sounds really cool and interesting, and it seems clear that a lot of folks have been trying to make that story more widely known. Sounds awesome. And I wasn't totally aware when I got into it how much motion sickness I was gonna be reading about motion sickness a thing I am susceptible to and feel like over the course of the pandemic, when I was not doing as much travel by any means other than my own feat, I feel like I've become more susceptible to it. It's like I lost I lost my adaptation to being in a car or on a train or a subway or whatever. I think that's actually though common, right, most people get more own emotion sickness as they get older. Is that just an old wives tale? It would not surprise me. It seems likely. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that happens in your ears as you ate. Right, I will say this, I can't handle roller coasters that I used to be able to handle, no problem. The same way that Brian and I have both discussed, like when we go to amusement parks, there's like a well we've reached let's sit on the bench and wait for the kids age like yeah, so our younger friends will go right, and we're like, no, thank you. I have no problem. I don't think, or had not until maybe recently, with any inner ear stuff. I can read in a car that I'm not driving, no problem. I can do. Tummy is a different deal though, Like if you get a sugar shuka shook a going on with my stomach contents, there might be some nausea. Yeah you were. You were with me for one of the most dramatic and sudden experiences of motion sickness in my whole life. I feel some degree of guilt because I feel like I caused it. No, you didn't cause it. I was super excited about this experience until moment one of its starting, which was on Star Tours. I was very excited about Star Tours, and we say in the episode that that motions sickness is still not entirely known. It is, there's still unanswered questions about motion sickness, but like the most widely accepted explanation for what causes it is like a mismatch between what your eyes are seeing and what's happening in your vestibular system. And that's definitely what was happening in this case, because immediately the slight difference between what I was seeing and the gimbal rig in Star Tours, just instantly it was like, Oh, I'm going to spend my entire remainder of this ride focusing the entirety of my being on keeping my contents inside my body. It's very funny too. I wonder, and I would hate. I don't want to put you through it to test it, but I do wonder what some of the newer rides, and of course something you specifically of Star Wars he rides would do to you, like I think probably um Smugglers Run, which is the Millennium Falcon ride. I think that might be problematic. Maybe. Yeah. I don't know about Rise of the Resistance though, because there's less of the VR stuff you're more like in in it. In it Um, so that would be curious, but I would not want to be like Tracy get on this. Let's see if you borrow. No, well, that's I just pretty much don't. Uh. The only the only VR thing I think I've tried that I did not have an issue with was when we were on our honeymoon and Iceland and there is a whale museum in Iceland that had like a VR headset look at the ocean and see whales, and it was like a soothing enough experience without a ton of detail, and like like you would just sort of be panning through the ocean to look for whales and nothing was very sudden or jerky, and like also like I was in control of the whole thing, which I think helped. Um. So anyway, that's like, that's the one. Otherwise I see the VR headset and I'm like, no, thanks, I'd love it. Um. This made me think so much about balance and nausea. Um. Like I thought about spotting in ballet. I don't know if you've ever taken a dance class where you had a warm spotting, which for anybody that hasn't, it's basically how you teach dancers to be able to do many turns without getting dizzy, where you keep your head kind of focused on one thing and you turn it at the last possible minute in relation to your body so that you whip right around to look back at that thing again. Um. I never had an issue with dizziness doing turns, but I definitely knew people it did. But then, what I really thought about, as you talked about everybody getting sick on various apparatus, was going deep sea fishing with my dad, where you kind of get the lecture at least on the boat. We used to always charter of if you get sick, that's fine, but get sick and keep fishing, which is many people did. I never got sick. I had a couple of moments in particularly lurchy water, where again it was the stomach thing where I was like, if I could just stare at a point, I'm fine and I don't think about my tummy too much. But yeah, I watched my dad throw up in fish many times. Yeah, my I didn't. I didn't know this until. Um, the first the first cruise I went ever went on, I was totally fine the whole time. The second one that I went on, we went through this place called the windward passage way or the In addition to the motion of the ship, the ship was being buffeted by winds that were making it have this like side to side motion. I had to leave during dinner and like try a variety of places to be like, do I feel better here? No? In fact I do not. Oh that is the worst feeling, just trying to find some soulless yeah in in in other circumstances, if I had gone out onto the deck, I probably would have felt better. But it was extremely hot and muggy on the deck, and so it was like walking out and just feeling hot, wet washcloth air hit my face and I was like, nope, that's worse. So I told I told my dad the story, and he was like, your grandfather was the same way and also loved deep sea fishing, and so what he would do is he would go and he would set his line and just lie down on the deck wait for something to happen. Uh. I think the only time of emotion sick was in a very small plane, like truly motion sick, and I didn't throw up, but I was close enough that Brian grabbed one of the motion sickness bags and was like, you are green. You are literally the color green. Yeah, it's like okay, yeah. As far as the actual subject of this episode, I hope that there will be a book about them at some point. I know there are a couple of people that have have you know, done interviews with the folks who are still living, which since this research took place in the fifties and sixties, a lot of people have passed away. At this point. There are a lot of documents that people have donated to NASA. The fact that the one way that people could communicate with their families back home was through letters means that there are a lot of letters, uh. And because this was how people were used to communicating with each other, these letters, a lot of them are really descriptive, UM and so you know, there's a potential resource for that also. So hopefully at some point there will be a book about all of this, all of these folks and their contributions. A lot of people have made uh comparisons to the women computers who were um, you know, became known as the hidden figures of the Space program UH and who have become way more better known UM in the last several years. We didn't get into at all how these were all men and all the research was being done on men, and at the time, men were the only people who were allowed to go to space, but that kind of felt like a whole additional topic. Layer. Yeah, Yeah, I'm glad you did this one because it is fascinating. It's also just fascinating to me, like to think about human physiology and how seemingly minute differences between people can cause huge differences in how they react to various stimuli. That's just a fascinating thing. Yeah. I hope by the time this episode comes out, I have figured out a better way to share a transcript of it with people. And in fact, I wish we had transcripts of every single episode of our show. That has been something I've been advocating for for so long, and like so much of what we do because we are not independently employed, right, We've always done this as part of our jobs, and our jobs are part of our company, like something we've advocated with with companies. UM. 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Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday and Holly Fry And I'm Tracy B. Wilson. So this week we dallied with pie a little bit. We did. You want to know why I ended up doing this episode. I do. I have a very close friend who I love more than most humans on earth, who is adamant that if it is savory, it should not be called pie. Okay, had this debate for many years, and I'm like, no, my love savory pies were here first, like everything was pie, and so I just, uh, I love savory pie. Hello, savory pie. I love all the pies. Our Christmas dinner this year, in the throes of all macron covid spike when we saw no one, uh was um a chicken pie that I got as a pickup order from a local bakery. Um, along with some sides that we had to go with it, And it was so good. I love a I love a savory pie. I love a chicken pot pie. I am less enthused than people would think about shepherd's pie. I love a shepherd's pie. I like it, but I want it in a crust. Yeah, like I love the mashed potatoes on top, but like a crust would is really what I'm after in a pie. It is kind of uh, and it doesn't follow some of the rules of what you would call a pie. It's more of a cast role. Yeah, just fine. That's another thing from like the the first long stretch of the pandemic, when we, you know, we were not eating in restaurants or really for a while ordering food from restaurants at our house. I had this stretch where I was like, you know what, I what I just really want to do so bad is just go to a bar and have a Shepherd's Pie and a beer. And it doesn't even need to be good. Shepherd's Pie can be adequate, mediocre, adequate, medio. It was just like that whole experience I missed so much. Um And none of the restaurants since we did start ordering more take out, none of the restaurants near us had Shepherd's Pie on the menu. UM. One did for St. Patrick's Day the other day, and I did get some St. Patrick's Day Shepherd's pie. Nice. Do you have a favorite pie? Oh? Man? So that would be really hard to narrow down in terms of a sweet pie. I really do like cherry pie. Um. I also like pumpkin pie a lot, except I will often treat the pumpkin pie as a vehicle to get the whipped cream into my mouth. Oh no, pumpkin pie for days. Um. I like a lot of different uh, a lot of different savory pies. Chicken pot pie is really good. Chicken and dumplings is not really a pie, but sometimes in the wintertime, my spouse makes chicken and dumplings and it's so good and so comforting. I um, yeah, pumpkin pie forever, I love it. My husband's favorites are pecan pie and key lime pie. Key lime pie is delicious. It is very good. I've never managed to get one exactly right, but I His beloved Aunt Beth, who is now no longer with us, used to make him a pecam pie anytime he visited, and he would talk about Aunt bess amazing pecam pie. And I finally was like Aunt Beeth, who I loved that woman? Um, she was like walking history. She knew everything about everything. Um. But I had asked her about it, she was like, I just got it off the bag and it was whoops up. So so I, UM, I have since made many pecompies for him, um, which I also love. Yeah. Um. On the very first Jonathan Colton Cruise, one of the first nights, uh, they had key lime pie on the menu for as one as the one of the dessert options, and almost our whole table ordered that. And then we saw the table behind us send their key lime pie back in Unison and we were like what we We were like, what what was up with your pie? Um? And it it blessed whoever was working in the kitchen. They had not made a good key lime pie and and somebody said it tasted like sadness, and sadness pie then became like a cruise and joke. But after that it was like for a while, anytime I saw Keilim pie on the menu, I ordered it to try to erase the memory of a one that just it just had no flavor. I wonder if they actually used key lime in it or not, because that will like a regular lime juice subout, is not acceptable. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. Um. I'm sure there's some chemistry related reason of like the acidity of each different one or something, but it doesn't taste right. Um. Qui li pie I could eat. So when I was a child, Um, when we needed to take it assert somewhere and my mom just did not have time, she would make this pie called hershey Bar pie, which you took uh, five of the six Hershey Bars in a six pack of Hershey Bars. You melted them and folded them into a container of cool whip. Now put that into the fridge, bouh in a in a crust like in a Graham cracker crust, I think is what it would go in. Extremely that's way more delicious than it has any right to listen. Sometimes it's magical. We mentioned that we were going to talk about this abolitionist thing in pumpkin Pie. Yeah, And what people often reference is that, Um, several abolitionists that also wrote about cookery wrote about pumpkin pie, which is true. Sarah Hale is often brought up as she wrote about a lot of food. Yeah yeah Um. She also did have an anti slavery novel which was called Northwood, and it had pumpkin pie in it, and his referenced as being the best dish on the table or the most distinguished dish on the table. And so I think people have made those connections that it might be a clue because Lydia Mariah Child also talked about pumpkin pie of course in her um New England Thanksgiving poetry. Um. But again, those are all kind of like you're connecting dots, but it's not necessarily like clear to me. Yeah. I remember also seeing some discussion of there were a lot more people growing pumpkins in their little home farm plots, and it was more of a like small garden kind of crop rather than the sort of like much larger crop that would be that would have an enslaved workforce, and like people making a connection there, and it it just it all felt like to me when I was reading all of that that it was sort of pulling together some things to build a story. And I was like, I'm not I would like this a lot more if somebody had unearthed an essay that someone had written about how we should all eat uh pumpkin pies the symbol of our abolitionist feelings. Yeah, I mean, like you, it's like it seems like they're interesting things going on that then have a lot of additional meaning ascribed to them, when it is just as likely that because pumpkins grow all over North America pretty readily and and are pretty easy. I mean, a pumpkin pie is actually quite easy to make. Um that you know, to me, it seems natural that a lot of people would have adopted pumpkin pie and really loved it, because I certainly do. Um. So, yeah, it's a little it's a little bit of a stretch. It feels to me perhaps some piece of information will be unearth that will change all of our minds and be like, Nope, it really was a secret code, but not so far, especially because it's still involved sugar. Yeah, which most there were abolitionists that were like, no, I'm not baking sweet things because I don't want to be part of that. Um, but pumpkin pie. I didn't. Ever, I didn't stumble across any that were like, don't you sugar, which would have supported that idea a little bit more. Yeah, but no, but I sure want to bake pie. I know it's springtime. I'm ready for a pumpkin pie. May have to happen. I will tell you one of the saddest things that ever happened to me. This is like pathetic. You know how when like you go to someone else's house for a holiday and you have those things you love about the holiday, and then they're not the same at that. I will not say who, but I had gone to someone's house for the first time for a holiday and I had said something about will there be pumpkin pie beforehand, and they were like, oh, yeah, we can do that. And what I didn't know was that in their head they said, we'll go buy a frozen pumpkin pie and throw it in and like not to dog on anybody that does that, but like, pumpkin pie is so easy to make. Oh man, gave me the sads. Yeah, I'm very pro pumpkin pie. That whole like pie is addictive and is a monster, was shocker to me. Yeah, that was very strident and its arguments against pie. And there were a lot of people in that camp that were like, no pie is there were there was like a significant number of physicians that were like, we gotta get Americans to stop eating pie, which again, like nutritionally, yes, you should not be eating pie all the time for every meal, but that's like true of any balanced diet, right, But um, it was I'm fascinated by the tug of war over pie. And of course now everyone is like as American as apple pie, and I'm like, that's English, but right, all right, let's go bake pies. Let's be on the show. We talked about the gallat at eleven. We sure did contributions to the Space program. I when I saw that conversation on Twitter that we talked about at the end of the episode, I was like, that sounds really cool and interesting, and it seems clear that a lot of folks have been trying to make that story more widely known. Sounds awesome. And I wasn't totally aware when I got into it how much motion sickness I was gonna be reading about motion sickness a thing I am susceptible to and feel like over the course of the pandemic, when I was not doing as much travel by any means other than my own feat, I feel like I've become more susceptible to it. It's like I lost I lost my adaptation to being in a car or on a train or a subway or whatever. I think that's actually though common, right, most people get more own emotion sickness as they get older. Is that just an old wives tale? It would not surprise me. It seems likely. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that happens in your ears as you ate. Right, I will say this, I can't handle roller coasters that I used to be able to handle, no problem. The same way that Brian and I have both discussed, like when we go to amusement parks, there's like a well we've reached let's sit on the bench and wait for the kids age like yeah, so our younger friends will go right, and we're like, no, thank you. I have no problem. I don't think, or had not until maybe recently, with any inner ear stuff. I can read in a car that I'm not driving, no problem. I can do. Tummy is a different deal though, Like if you get a sugar shuka shook a going on with my stomach contents, there might be some nausea. Yeah you were. You were with me for one of the most dramatic and sudden experiences of motion sickness in my whole life. I feel some degree of guilt because I feel like I caused it. No, you didn't cause it. I was super excited about this experience until moment one of its starting, which was on Star Tours. I was very excited about Star Tours, and we say in the episode that that motions sickness is still not entirely known. It is, there's still unanswered questions about motion sickness, but like the most widely accepted explanation for what causes it is like a mismatch between what your eyes are seeing and what's happening in your vestibular system. And that's definitely what was happening in this case, because immediately the slight difference between what I was seeing and the gimbal rig in Star Tours, just instantly it was like, Oh, I'm going to spend my entire remainder of this ride focusing the entirety of my being on keeping my contents inside my body. It's very funny too. I wonder, and I would hate. I don't want to put you through it to test it, but I do wonder what some of the newer rides, and of course something you specifically of Star Wars he rides would do to you, like I think probably um Smugglers Run, which is the Millennium Falcon ride. I think that might be problematic. Maybe. Yeah. I don't know about Rise of the Resistance though, because there's less of the VR stuff you're more like in in it. In it Um, so that would be curious, but I would not want to be like Tracy get on this. Let's see if you borrow. No, well, that's I just pretty much don't. Uh. The only the only VR thing I think I've tried that I did not have an issue with was when we were on our honeymoon and Iceland and there is a whale museum in Iceland that had like a VR headset look at the ocean and see whales, and it was like a soothing enough experience without a ton of detail, and like like you would just sort of be panning through the ocean to look for whales and nothing was very sudden or jerky, and like also like I was in control of the whole thing, which I think helped. Um. So anyway, that's like, that's the one. Otherwise I see the VR headset and I'm like, no, thanks, I'd love it. Um. This made me think so much about balance and nausea. Um. Like I thought about spotting in ballet. I don't know if you've ever taken a dance class where you had a warm spotting, which for anybody that hasn't, it's basically how you teach dancers to be able to do many turns without getting dizzy, where you keep your head kind of focused on one thing and you turn it at the last possible minute in relation to your body so that you whip right around to look back at that thing again. Um. I never had an issue with dizziness doing turns, but I definitely knew people it did. But then, what I really thought about, as you talked about everybody getting sick on various apparatus, was going deep sea fishing with my dad, where you kind of get the lecture at least on the boat. We used to always charter of if you get sick, that's fine, but get sick and keep fishing, which is many people did. I never got sick. I had a couple of moments in particularly lurchy water, where again it was the stomach thing where I was like, if I could just stare at a point, I'm fine and I don't think about my tummy too much. But yeah, I watched my dad throw up in fish many times. Yeah, my I didn't. I didn't know this until. Um, the first the first cruise I went ever went on, I was totally fine the whole time. The second one that I went on, we went through this place called the windward passage way or the In addition to the motion of the ship, the ship was being buffeted by winds that were making it have this like side to side motion. I had to leave during dinner and like try a variety of places to be like, do I feel better here? No? In fact I do not. Oh that is the worst feeling, just trying to find some soulless yeah in in in other circumstances, if I had gone out onto the deck, I probably would have felt better. But it was extremely hot and muggy on the deck, and so it was like walking out and just feeling hot, wet washcloth air hit my face and I was like, nope, that's worse. So I told I told my dad the story, and he was like, your grandfather was the same way and also loved deep sea fishing, and so what he would do is he would go and he would set his line and just lie down on the deck wait for something to happen. Uh. I think the only time of emotion sick was in a very small plane, like truly motion sick, and I didn't throw up, but I was close enough that Brian grabbed one of the motion sickness bags and was like, you are green. You are literally the color green. Yeah, it's like okay, yeah. As far as the actual subject of this episode, I hope that there will be a book about them at some point. I know there are a couple of people that have have you know, done interviews with the folks who are still living, which since this research took place in the fifties and sixties, a lot of people have passed away. At this point. There are a lot of documents that people have donated to NASA. The fact that the one way that people could communicate with their families back home was through letters means that there are a lot of letters, uh. And because this was how people were used to communicating with each other, these letters, a lot of them are really descriptive, UM and so you know, there's a potential resource for that also. So hopefully at some point there will be a book about all of this, all of these folks and their contributions. A lot of people have made uh comparisons to the women computers who were um, you know, became known as the hidden figures of the Space program UH and who have become way more better known UM in the last several years. We didn't get into at all how these were all men and all the research was being done on men, and at the time, men were the only people who were allowed to go to space, but that kind of felt like a whole additional topic. Layer. Yeah, Yeah, I'm glad you did this one because it is fascinating. It's also just fascinating to me, like to think about human physiology and how seemingly minute differences between people can cause huge differences in how they react to various stimuli. That's just a fascinating thing. Yeah. I hope by the time this episode comes out, I have figured out a better way to share a transcript of it with people. And in fact, I wish we had transcripts of every single episode of our show. That has been something I've been advocating for for so long, and like so much of what we do because we are not independently employed, right, We've always done this as part of our jobs, and our jobs are part of our company, like something we've advocated with with companies. UM. I really liked how much effort Radio Lab seems to have gone to you with making this episode of their show accessible, and honestly, I would love it if the whole podcast industry took that kind of accessibility steps at all times. I mean, we should be for sure. It's so like you said, it's it's a little bit tricky when you're not running independently and can't make all the decisions quickly, and it just comes with the package. Um hopefully, I mean, that's my hope. As long as people keep raising those questions and poking at it, that helps you know we're doing it on our end. So if everybody does it in their end, eventually, hopefully we will get there. I hope. So like how many conversations have I had about many many So hopefully we'll see we'll see Fingers crossed. Uh If you would like to write to us History Podcast at I heart radio dot com. We're also all over social media. I missed in History. That's where we'll find our Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, and Instagram. It's Friday. 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