Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class A production of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. Am Holly Fry and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We talked about Charles McIntosh on the first mass produced rainware. Yeah yeah, Um, so the reason we did this episode, can you guess? I'll ask you if you want to guess? I don't think I can't guess. You probably could if you really thought. I put effort into guessing. It's Bob's Burgers. It's always Bubbs Burgers. So there's an episode of Bob's Burgers where Linda is trying to explain to Bob and the kids this long running family feud that's been going on on her side of the family, and one of the very minor details in it is that she thinks that one of the people from the wrong side of the family married into the family that invented raincoats, and Bob is like, I don't think that's right, and I'm like, what is right? Who did event raincoats? And that's how that happened. Um. I almost want to do a future episode on Thomas Hancock because he's perse nickty in a way that I find entertaining. For one thing, he called his masticator in his like casual writing about it a pickle. He called it the pickles it because it was like a long tube and it had little bumps on it. It did kind of look like a pickle. And so any of his writing like two friends about it, or like, oh, I was working on the pickle today, and it just cracks me up. But he was also I mean, we mentioned that he was involved in that legal battle about protecting their patents and he was relentless. So you mentioned when we were recording that you had seen advertisements that are like the good Year raincoat, and when good Year started producing rain wear, Hancock took out ads in a law of places in Europe and North America that was basically like you may be seeing advertisements for a new raincoat offered by the Goodyear company. Please know that because of my collaboration with Charles McIntosh, ours is the only real raincoat. Like, he was very adamant about it, um and kind of you know, took an attack approach, yeah, which cracked me up. I also really enjoyed the problem with Taylor's not trusting Charles McIntosh and some of the write ups about that also by Thomas Hancock. Are quite funny. But I can understand right as someone who stitches a whole lot. I mean, this happens to anybody who kind of knows what they're doing, and then a random person is like, you know what you should do? Which can I tell you? That's my most one of my most hated phrases, you know you should do? Yeah it. My response is always, when you make yours, that's how you should do it. But I'm gonna do what I do. Overwhelmingly, the person telling me you know what you should do, like doesn't actually have the context to know what That's why I would say, oh, you should make yours that way. Um, and I try to do it with a really peppy, up beat boy because it sounds like I'm being supportive, but really I'm being kind of a witch. Um. Yeah. So I can understand where garment manufacturers were like, that's nice, dude, we know how to make clothes, but in that case, they really didn't know how to work with that specific material. That that whole part of it kind of blew my mind a little bit because to me, it's just so obvious that if you're running a needle through this thing. It's gonna make a bunch of tiny halls that are gonna leak, which is why I mean technology has evolved in more recent years. But like I remember when I was a kid, like, there's just so many steps you would have to take to like wax the seams in these horrible tents at the at the hold, you know, girl scout campground, that kind of stuff. Yeah, And I mean here's the thing. I can imagine knowing that you're making those those stitch holes, but oh they're so tiny, it's probably not gonna matter. The rubber is going to close up around them a little bit. I could see you thinking that, not you specifically, but I could see a person thinking that. Uh, and but it just didn't work in practice obviously. So like at the McIntosh company now, I think one of the things they do, and I think what's been done for a long time is after they stitch a seem like some seams are weld are welded. 'm air quoting, but you know, uh, it's not welding like what you might be thinking of with heat, but like you can weld glue things together. Um, they will go over a seem like an apply a layer of rubber to it, just like you were talking about with the waxing of of tent seams and stuff. So, um, there are different ways that you can manage that. But I can completely understand both sides of that particular equation where it's like, yes, he does know this will set up. Yes, they also absolutely know how to make a garment. It just it worked out. I'm curious if you have had the same experience I have in that the garment that I was told was a macintosh for a million years. And I don't know where I got this, but like a lot of people I knew called it this. We're like those um flannel shirts that are then like quilted on the inside like a jacket. And I had always heard those called macintosh is, but they're not rainwear and they're they're cozy as heck, but they're not appropriate. And I don't know where those picked up that that name, So I don't I don't think that it is a term that has just really been in my vocabulary. Um. I feel like I saw like the garment you just described described as a macintosh like in a video game or something like. Maybe that's where I got it. Yeah, I don't know like I just uh, I don't. I don't feel like I grew up calling any garment colloquially a macintosh. I do, however, remember growing up with totally not breathable in any way raincoats. Oh. I have so many feelings about raincoat and like growing up in the South where often when it was raining, it was also warm and just becoming like like a little sauna inside the raincoat. Yes, still I would say, Um, it's not as common a term here in the UK. I don't think you can exist without having heard the term McIntosh referred to ejacket all the time. Um. I have strong feelings about raincoats, which is that I would rather just get wet for the same reasons you just mentioned. I have one raincoat that I have had since college. I bought it at here is a blast from the Past Lowman's department store, and I bought it because it's adorable and it's plastic, but it is Leopard Primp and it has cute little corduroy cuff and collar like a black Cordoy couman collar. And I love it, but like it has to be a desperate moment when I will pull that one out of the closet because it's I hate that feeling of not being able to like have air passed through. Yeah, and I'm just like, great, I'll just get wet, that's fine. I also don't carry an umbrella very often for the very same reasons to cumbersome. I remember the first time I bought a a waterproof yet breathable jacket. Uh, and it was an an advance of a trip to the Pacific Northwest. Um and because often those that kind of outerwear is expensive. Like I found like the most discounted super Super on sale that I actually really liked, and I wore it forever and like now, just because I am a little bigger than I was when I bought it, i could no longer I can no longer sip it up, and I only just recently replaced it. Similarly, shopping around a whole lot for something that was going to be waterproof but also breathable and also not hundreds of dollars. Yeah, yeah, I don't. I struggle with rainwear. Yeah, this is why I hate cold weather. Also, like I don't like wearing that many layers unless they are fancy and cool. What you gotta do is move to a place that's a lot colder and be amazed as your body recalibrates itself. Well, it's not, it's not a temperature thing. I feel like my movement is restricted too much, and I get real panicky. Okay, I I'm like, I don't have the same range of motion. What if ninjas come? Like, it's not gonna happen. It's the same reason I don't like massage because it relaxes me too much and I feel not on alert in case danger takes place. And it's the same reason I don't like prescription pain medications. Like when I've had like oral surgery or something, I'm like, no, I'm too relaxed. I can't handle the world if an emergency takes place, and I will look very placid on the outside and inside I'm a full blown panic attack. Um, I don't. I don't want to be restricted in any way mentally or physically. Right. I don't know why I'm perpetually like ready for danger, But there you go. We talked about Art Letcher on the show this week. We sure did. I do have a question for you before you get into your actual show stuff, because you have referenced on the show a couple times Times, the movie The Road to Wellville. Have you read that book? I have not read the book, but I do know that it is also a book. So I love TC Boyle. I love his writing. Like a million years ago, I think when I was maybe in high school, he was on NPR talking about his short story book If the River Was Whiskey, and I have been a fan ever since. So just for anyone that hasn't read it and knows about the movie and maybe not the book, highly recommend lots of his work. Very interesting writer, Yeah, yeah, just in general, having worked as a massage therapist before, Like, I never worked out as a massage therapist at a place that was as health devoted as the sand reportedly was. UM, But I did work for a time at a spa where people would come and stay and all of their meals were provided and they were supposed to be like very nutritionally selected by the chef. And I remember, UM there was a guy that did a lot of like the maintenance and grounds kind of work who was also people's like covert hook up for getting hamburgers from town. I love it, Um. And there was a secret soft drink machine sort of hidden away. Yeah yeah, so that movie reminds me sometimes of some of the things that I experienced as a massage therapist, which is a time that I loved a lot of aspects of. But also occasionally I would hear people say things that made me go, that is not how it works, though, um, like Horace Fletcher, there's no, there's not a physiological gait in your mouth that is forcing you to keep chewing your food until it's out of nutrients, Like that's this is not It's not how it works. Um. I did not read every word of of his books, because there are sure, sure a lot of them, but there were things in them that just struck me as so delightful. And I really as soon as I read the sentence let us work together for a season in the now field, I was like, I've never heard anybody say that before, but it's so sounds like something I would have heard someone say at like a self help workshop kind of thing, or like some kind of relaxation seminar. Uh. And I think I went what out loud and then read it again. It was like, I love this sentence. Don't be a sewer, don't be a sewer. I also liked a lot and that the book that that came from was just this weird mix of sometimes very long discursive like could you get to the point of what you're talking about? And then these tiny little gems like don't be a sewer And it was like, I would like this all a lot better if it was more like don't be a sewer were and less like here is this incredibly long, wandering paragraph about something that doesn't really fully make sense to me. Also, one of our past episodes is on Edward Gory uh, and I went to the Edward Gory House on Cape Cod when I was doing the research for that, and there was a little sign hung up by on one of the doors that I am pretty sure said no Henry James at the Edward Gory House. And so as I read this part that was about Henry James being just so into Fletcherism, for a while, I was like, I wonder if that's why, you know, it's so weird Fletcherism became so big, And I understand why, right obviously, like this person was touting the many benefits and I when you read like his rules in that that later book, I get it because it has seeds in like a very similar thing to what's going on now with like intuitive eating and like getting of the diet roller coaster that many people find themselves on and actually like listening to your body and what it wants and needs. And I see why people are like, yes, of course, this is how we should do it, and then they go, wait, I would like, just like a cupcake once in a while would be great. Yeah, well, and he was fine with cupcakes. Like the there's also a movement now to like not assign labels like junk food and write for you and things like that to food, and he was pretty in line with that, Like he really thought, you can eat whatever your appetite is calling for. You just gotta chew it. Sometimes he would eat chocolate candy for breakfast, but it was like three little pieces of it because it took him an hour. See that's the other thing, to chew all of it. We didn't really touch on it in the episode, but like one of the things that really people who were not into this, one of the things that they found really upsetting about it is that for a lot of us, meals are a social active it and we go to dinner together to have a connection with other people. And if you were having dinner with somebody who was a Fletcher, right, there was not going to be any conversation because they were just going to be slowly chewing the whole time. Well, that's kind of right, that little bit that we did include about the four hundred of New York just being not a very fun crew anymore, right, Yeah, Yeah. Something that I said in the kind of off Mike moment was that like, as the food fattiests go, he does seem to have been like one of the less dangerous. Like he wasn't he wasn't advocating things that could really really hurt anybody in most circumstances right there. I feel like there are zero nutritional things that are universally applicable to everybody. But like, if you were going to try to chew your food that much and it was not going to work out for you, I think that was going to be pretty clear pretty quickly. Uh. And if you were going to chew your food that much, it might have la like contributed to some like maybe some jaw issues or some dental issues, but um, probably not going to harm your health long term in the way that some of the people that were like, no, you literally just need to starve yourself, which was a well and the thing was he never really, to the best of my knowledge, advocated like you have to eat x number of food or x amount less than you were before. His was like, you will naturally eat less if you do this, and you'll find you want less. Rather than it being a limiting thing, it was again one of those like that will just happen, don't worry about it. A lot of people that write about him today have a big focus on on the eight loss aspect of it, because he did describe himself as losing a bunch of weight, but most of his own writing like that's that's a tiny bit of what He was talking a lot more about having more energy and not getting sick as often and having all this stamina that he reportedly had. Like some of the things he was doing as publicity stunts about how healthy he kind of was sound almost like kind of the stunts that we've talked about with various strong woman type characters, not actual people that we've talked about on the show before. Um, he's like, I'm gonna ride a bike two hundred miles and then apparently did claiming that he had no sortis the next day. And I don't know if that was actually the case, if he really did, having no real training as a cyclist, ride a bike two hundred miles with no sortis the next day. I don't have a great explanation for the See, I think he was so good at mind over matter, or that he probably blocked out the discomfort and pain that even a pretty seasoned cyclist would experience. Yeah, yeah, that's just my guest. Though. I'm glad that I finally got around to him on the on the list because he's really been on on my list for a super long time. And uh, I don't know I as as um frustrating as some of his writing was in terms of how it was written. I always love reading the people who very confidently say something that's wrong. And I'm sure in a hundred years somebody's going to listen to our podcast and listen to me very confidently say something wrong. Oh yeah, and be like, I love doing this. I love it when people from the past say such doofy things. It happens. It happened. We all do because we're operating with the knowledge that we have at hands sure, and that knowledge is going to change, and sometimes not be accurate any longer once we discover new things. Yeah, it's just that's what being human is. Yeah. I do wish that we knew more detail about earlier life. And I actually think, UM dedicated researcher could probably trace a lot more stuff. Um because when I was trying to just verify stuff like his middle name, I just my search results list had so many um immigration records from times that he applied for a passport or re entered the United States or whatever. Um. And so I think uh, as is often the case, Like a very dedicated researcher, I think could write a very fascinating biography of him. Um. That would involve a whole lot of crawling through old records. And maybe maybe somebody has that autobiography he was working on in their attic somewhere. Um. The only reference to a paper's election I found for him was actually at Harvard and it was just like a box of some correspondents and so uh who knows, But anyway, I would read that though if somebody did write that biography, the universe has heard your call. 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Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class A production of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. Am Holly Fry and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We talked about Charles McIntosh on the first mass produced rainware. Yeah yeah, Um, so the reason we did this episode, can you guess? I'll ask you if you want to guess? I don't think I can't guess. You probably could if you really thought. I put effort into guessing. It's Bob's Burgers. It's always Bubbs Burgers. So there's an episode of Bob's Burgers where Linda is trying to explain to Bob and the kids this long running family feud that's been going on on her side of the family, and one of the very minor details in it is that she thinks that one of the people from the wrong side of the family married into the family that invented raincoats, and Bob is like, I don't think that's right, and I'm like, what is right? Who did event raincoats? And that's how that happened. Um. I almost want to do a future episode on Thomas Hancock because he's perse nickty in a way that I find entertaining. For one thing, he called his masticator in his like casual writing about it a pickle. He called it the pickles it because it was like a long tube and it had little bumps on it. It did kind of look like a pickle. And so any of his writing like two friends about it, or like, oh, I was working on the pickle today, and it just cracks me up. But he was also I mean, we mentioned that he was involved in that legal battle about protecting their patents and he was relentless. So you mentioned when we were recording that you had seen advertisements that are like the good Year raincoat, and when good Year started producing rain wear, Hancock took out ads in a law of places in Europe and North America that was basically like you may be seeing advertisements for a new raincoat offered by the Goodyear company. Please know that because of my collaboration with Charles McIntosh, ours is the only real raincoat. Like, he was very adamant about it, um and kind of you know, took an attack approach, yeah, which cracked me up. I also really enjoyed the problem with Taylor's not trusting Charles McIntosh and some of the write ups about that also by Thomas Hancock. Are quite funny. But I can understand right as someone who stitches a whole lot. I mean, this happens to anybody who kind of knows what they're doing, and then a random person is like, you know what you should do? Which can I tell you? That's my most one of my most hated phrases, you know you should do? Yeah it. My response is always, when you make yours, that's how you should do it. But I'm gonna do what I do. Overwhelmingly, the person telling me you know what you should do, like doesn't actually have the context to know what That's why I would say, oh, you should make yours that way. Um, and I try to do it with a really peppy, up beat boy because it sounds like I'm being supportive, but really I'm being kind of a witch. Um. Yeah. So I can understand where garment manufacturers were like, that's nice, dude, we know how to make clothes, but in that case, they really didn't know how to work with that specific material. That that whole part of it kind of blew my mind a little bit because to me, it's just so obvious that if you're running a needle through this thing. It's gonna make a bunch of tiny halls that are gonna leak, which is why I mean technology has evolved in more recent years. But like I remember when I was a kid, like, there's just so many steps you would have to take to like wax the seams in these horrible tents at the at the hold, you know, girl scout campground, that kind of stuff. Yeah, And I mean here's the thing. I can imagine knowing that you're making those those stitch holes, but oh they're so tiny, it's probably not gonna matter. The rubber is going to close up around them a little bit. I could see you thinking that, not you specifically, but I could see a person thinking that. Uh, and but it just didn't work in practice obviously. So like at the McIntosh company now, I think one of the things they do, and I think what's been done for a long time is after they stitch a seem like some seams are weld are welded. 'm air quoting, but you know, uh, it's not welding like what you might be thinking of with heat, but like you can weld glue things together. Um, they will go over a seem like an apply a layer of rubber to it, just like you were talking about with the waxing of of tent seams and stuff. So, um, there are different ways that you can manage that. But I can completely understand both sides of that particular equation where it's like, yes, he does know this will set up. Yes, they also absolutely know how to make a garment. It just it worked out. I'm curious if you have had the same experience I have in that the garment that I was told was a macintosh for a million years. And I don't know where I got this, but like a lot of people I knew called it this. We're like those um flannel shirts that are then like quilted on the inside like a jacket. And I had always heard those called macintosh is, but they're not rainwear and they're they're cozy as heck, but they're not appropriate. And I don't know where those picked up that that name, So I don't I don't think that it is a term that has just really been in my vocabulary. Um. I feel like I saw like the garment you just described described as a macintosh like in a video game or something like. Maybe that's where I got it. Yeah, I don't know like I just uh, I don't. I don't feel like I grew up calling any garment colloquially a macintosh. I do, however, remember growing up with totally not breathable in any way raincoats. Oh. I have so many feelings about raincoat and like growing up in the South where often when it was raining, it was also warm and just becoming like like a little sauna inside the raincoat. Yes, still I would say, Um, it's not as common a term here in the UK. I don't think you can exist without having heard the term McIntosh referred to ejacket all the time. Um. I have strong feelings about raincoats, which is that I would rather just get wet for the same reasons you just mentioned. I have one raincoat that I have had since college. I bought it at here is a blast from the Past Lowman's department store, and I bought it because it's adorable and it's plastic, but it is Leopard Primp and it has cute little corduroy cuff and collar like a black Cordoy couman collar. And I love it, but like it has to be a desperate moment when I will pull that one out of the closet because it's I hate that feeling of not being able to like have air passed through. Yeah, and I'm just like, great, I'll just get wet, that's fine. I also don't carry an umbrella very often for the very same reasons to cumbersome. I remember the first time I bought a a waterproof yet breathable jacket. Uh, and it was an an advance of a trip to the Pacific Northwest. Um and because often those that kind of outerwear is expensive. Like I found like the most discounted super Super on sale that I actually really liked, and I wore it forever and like now, just because I am a little bigger than I was when I bought it, i could no longer I can no longer sip it up, and I only just recently replaced it. Similarly, shopping around a whole lot for something that was going to be waterproof but also breathable and also not hundreds of dollars. Yeah, yeah, I don't. I struggle with rainwear. Yeah, this is why I hate cold weather. Also, like I don't like wearing that many layers unless they are fancy and cool. What you gotta do is move to a place that's a lot colder and be amazed as your body recalibrates itself. Well, it's not, it's not a temperature thing. I feel like my movement is restricted too much, and I get real panicky. Okay, I I'm like, I don't have the same range of motion. What if ninjas come? Like, it's not gonna happen. It's the same reason I don't like massage because it relaxes me too much and I feel not on alert in case danger takes place. And it's the same reason I don't like prescription pain medications. Like when I've had like oral surgery or something, I'm like, no, I'm too relaxed. I can't handle the world if an emergency takes place, and I will look very placid on the outside and inside I'm a full blown panic attack. Um, I don't. I don't want to be restricted in any way mentally or physically. Right. I don't know why I'm perpetually like ready for danger, But there you go. We talked about Art Letcher on the show this week. We sure did. I do have a question for you before you get into your actual show stuff, because you have referenced on the show a couple times Times, the movie The Road to Wellville. Have you read that book? I have not read the book, but I do know that it is also a book. So I love TC Boyle. I love his writing. Like a million years ago, I think when I was maybe in high school, he was on NPR talking about his short story book If the River Was Whiskey, and I have been a fan ever since. So just for anyone that hasn't read it and knows about the movie and maybe not the book, highly recommend lots of his work. Very interesting writer, Yeah, yeah, just in general, having worked as a massage therapist before, Like, I never worked out as a massage therapist at a place that was as health devoted as the sand reportedly was. UM, But I did work for a time at a spa where people would come and stay and all of their meals were provided and they were supposed to be like very nutritionally selected by the chef. And I remember, UM there was a guy that did a lot of like the maintenance and grounds kind of work who was also people's like covert hook up for getting hamburgers from town. I love it, Um. And there was a secret soft drink machine sort of hidden away. Yeah yeah, so that movie reminds me sometimes of some of the things that I experienced as a massage therapist, which is a time that I loved a lot of aspects of. But also occasionally I would hear people say things that made me go, that is not how it works, though, um, like Horace Fletcher, there's no, there's not a physiological gait in your mouth that is forcing you to keep chewing your food until it's out of nutrients, Like that's this is not It's not how it works. Um. I did not read every word of of his books, because there are sure, sure a lot of them, but there were things in them that just struck me as so delightful. And I really as soon as I read the sentence let us work together for a season in the now field, I was like, I've never heard anybody say that before, but it's so sounds like something I would have heard someone say at like a self help workshop kind of thing, or like some kind of relaxation seminar. Uh. And I think I went what out loud and then read it again. It was like, I love this sentence. Don't be a sewer, don't be a sewer. I also liked a lot and that the book that that came from was just this weird mix of sometimes very long discursive like could you get to the point of what you're talking about? And then these tiny little gems like don't be a sewer And it was like, I would like this all a lot better if it was more like don't be a sewer were and less like here is this incredibly long, wandering paragraph about something that doesn't really fully make sense to me. Also, one of our past episodes is on Edward Gory uh, and I went to the Edward Gory House on Cape Cod when I was doing the research for that, and there was a little sign hung up by on one of the doors that I am pretty sure said no Henry James at the Edward Gory House. And so as I read this part that was about Henry James being just so into Fletcherism, for a while, I was like, I wonder if that's why, you know, it's so weird Fletcherism became so big, And I understand why, right obviously, like this person was touting the many benefits and I when you read like his rules in that that later book, I get it because it has seeds in like a very similar thing to what's going on now with like intuitive eating and like getting of the diet roller coaster that many people find themselves on and actually like listening to your body and what it wants and needs. And I see why people are like, yes, of course, this is how we should do it, and then they go, wait, I would like, just like a cupcake once in a while would be great. Yeah, well, and he was fine with cupcakes. Like the there's also a movement now to like not assign labels like junk food and write for you and things like that to food, and he was pretty in line with that, Like he really thought, you can eat whatever your appetite is calling for. You just gotta chew it. Sometimes he would eat chocolate candy for breakfast, but it was like three little pieces of it because it took him an hour. See that's the other thing, to chew all of it. We didn't really touch on it in the episode, but like one of the things that really people who were not into this, one of the things that they found really upsetting about it is that for a lot of us, meals are a social active it and we go to dinner together to have a connection with other people. And if you were having dinner with somebody who was a Fletcher, right, there was not going to be any conversation because they were just going to be slowly chewing the whole time. Well, that's kind of right, that little bit that we did include about the four hundred of New York just being not a very fun crew anymore, right, Yeah, Yeah. Something that I said in the kind of off Mike moment was that like, as the food fattiests go, he does seem to have been like one of the less dangerous. Like he wasn't he wasn't advocating things that could really really hurt anybody in most circumstances right there. I feel like there are zero nutritional things that are universally applicable to everybody. But like, if you were going to try to chew your food that much and it was not going to work out for you, I think that was going to be pretty clear pretty quickly. Uh. And if you were going to chew your food that much, it might have la like contributed to some like maybe some jaw issues or some dental issues, but um, probably not going to harm your health long term in the way that some of the people that were like, no, you literally just need to starve yourself, which was a well and the thing was he never really, to the best of my knowledge, advocated like you have to eat x number of food or x amount less than you were before. His was like, you will naturally eat less if you do this, and you'll find you want less. Rather than it being a limiting thing, it was again one of those like that will just happen, don't worry about it. A lot of people that write about him today have a big focus on on the eight loss aspect of it, because he did describe himself as losing a bunch of weight, but most of his own writing like that's that's a tiny bit of what He was talking a lot more about having more energy and not getting sick as often and having all this stamina that he reportedly had. Like some of the things he was doing as publicity stunts about how healthy he kind of was sound almost like kind of the stunts that we've talked about with various strong woman type characters, not actual people that we've talked about on the show before. Um, he's like, I'm gonna ride a bike two hundred miles and then apparently did claiming that he had no sortis the next day. And I don't know if that was actually the case, if he really did, having no real training as a cyclist, ride a bike two hundred miles with no sortis the next day. I don't have a great explanation for the See, I think he was so good at mind over matter, or that he probably blocked out the discomfort and pain that even a pretty seasoned cyclist would experience. Yeah, yeah, that's just my guest. Though. I'm glad that I finally got around to him on the on the list because he's really been on on my list for a super long time. And uh, I don't know I as as um frustrating as some of his writing was in terms of how it was written. I always love reading the people who very confidently say something that's wrong. And I'm sure in a hundred years somebody's going to listen to our podcast and listen to me very confidently say something wrong. Oh yeah, and be like, I love doing this. I love it when people from the past say such doofy things. It happens. It happened. We all do because we're operating with the knowledge that we have at hands sure, and that knowledge is going to change, and sometimes not be accurate any longer once we discover new things. Yeah, it's just that's what being human is. Yeah. I do wish that we knew more detail about earlier life. And I actually think, UM dedicated researcher could probably trace a lot more stuff. Um because when I was trying to just verify stuff like his middle name, I just my search results list had so many um immigration records from times that he applied for a passport or re entered the United States or whatever. Um. And so I think uh, as is often the case, Like a very dedicated researcher, I think could write a very fascinating biography of him. Um. That would involve a whole lot of crawling through old records. And maybe maybe somebody has that autobiography he was working on in their attic somewhere. Um. The only reference to a paper's election I found for him was actually at Harvard and it was just like a box of some correspondents and so uh who knows, But anyway, I would read that though if somebody did write that biography, the universe has heard your call. 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