Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of I Heart Radio Happy Friday. I have Tracy V. Wilson and I'm Holly Fry. This week on the show, we talked about Kutzoo. I said that quiet least, I feel like for some reason we talked about And so one of the things that I do on a regular basis, I have this giant collection of RSS feeds from all of these places that published articles that are related to history and archaeology in some way, and I go through them regularly to bookmark stuff that might make an appearance in a forthcoming Unearthed episode. Um and some of the places that publish these various articles don't strictly publish about archaeology and history, and so there will be articles that are not exactly in the same umbrella. And one of those recently was about the discovery of a fossil of a plant that dinosaurs had eaten, and the headline for this article had described it as dinosaur food, and so my mind kind of went, hey self, do you remember when you were a child and you thought that kud zoo was dinosaur food because you could imagine a big old bronosaurus just like eating the kudzoo out of the top of a tree. Uh, And that pretty quickly went to we should do a podcast about kut zoo because I really want to find out how much of my incredibly limited understanding of how we got so much kud zoo is actually true. So you grew up in the South. I moved to the South when I was nine from the Pacific Northwest, and I similarly the way people described it was like it's coming for you. Yeah, like a Stephen King novel that the kudzoo will kill us all if we don't monitor in it at all times. You don't sleep with your windows open because the kudzu vine might come in while you're sleeping and strangling. Let me tell you, in my experience, Privet is way worse. But Yeah, I had a fight with some asiatic bitter sweet over the weekend that um is growing around our house. And um, this is year three of trying to get rid of the bitter Sweet. It's it's not great. UM. A lot of the other invasive plants that we mentioned in the episode are plants that I've heard of before. UM. Some of them specifically, I've heard about how much damage they're doing in particular ecosystems where they have really taken off and thrived. I did not really realize how many of them are just such a much bigger problem than kud Zoo is covering just a lot more acreage and damaging a lot more other plants. But because like kutzu, has become this shorthand for the invasive thing that is taking everything over. Yeah, I will say, And I was glad you mentioned goats at the end, because in my head I just kept going like, get the goats, just get the get the The goats can do steep hills. They'll eat happily for a long time until you stop them. Yep, goats, it seems like the easiest. And who doesn't love a goat. I mean, you can rent goats to come to your house and devour the things that you don't want to deal with. Yep, and a goat tender will come with them. You just get to stand there and watch goats. That's great. I've solved kutzoo. You guys, no one else thought of this before. Holly has the kad zoo answer. Uh yeah, so man, that James, Dicky poeam. I feel like eighty percent of the articles that I read referenced that um, either referencing it or quoting from it. There was one honestly pretty pro kadzoo book that I read that included a lot of recipes for you know, wass to cook with katzoo and craft instructions for things to make with katzoo, uh, you know, generally presenting kadzoo as a plant that has a lot of uses and that we should learn to live with and uh and learn from. Printed this entire poem at the beginning of it, you know, apparently with permission of either James Dickey or James I guess James Dicky was still living when this book was printed. And the poem is not pro kudzoo in any way. The poem is very anti kadzoo. Kadzoo was like a monstrous for voting kind of evil presence in this poem. And also I find the poem to be racist. It's got a lot of overtones about like in invading Japanese people and invading immigrants, and like, I did not love it. I got very tired of hearing it. And I got to this point late in the day when I only had three or four articles left to go and I was like, please, please, no more James Dickey. James Dickey also the author of Deliverance, a book that I feel like reinforced a lot of incredibly negative stereotypes about South and about men. So had just a lot of James Dickey frustration while working on this show. Safe to say, Tracy is not a James Dickey fan. There are other Southern riders, y'all, so many. Um. I only recently discovered, uh, the use of arrowroot in cooking, So I didn't realize until, like I said, fairly recently in the last year and a half, that kud Zoo had all of these fabulous cooking options that came in. Now I'm like looking around the backyard going where's some kud Zoo come here? Which is not wise. I had to get an app that takes pictures of you take a picture of your plan. It goes no, no, no, don't eat that U. Yeah. Um. You can also buy like Kudzoo powder um at a lot of Asian markets and possibly how I discovered it. Yeah, um, I thought about making a little field trip to an Asian market, um, and I did not. I did not get around to that. Um. While working on this, uh, some of the things that I had seen people make with Kadzo, because there's been kind of a Kudzoo renaissance in some ways, people trying to like sort of reclaim Kudzoo as a thing that can really be a delicacy. And I saw some chefs that were working in Kudzoo with Kadzoo in ways that seemed just really interesting and beautiful. Even um. I came away, like I think I said in the episode that when I was a kid, especially when it was green, I actually thought Katzo was kind of pretty. And I came away from the episode more sympathetic to a kad Zoo than I had been before. I don't think I ever went through a kud Zoo dislike period. I'm just like many people I think that actually live in the South. At this point, you're like, that's Katzu. Yeah, I got deal with it, or just let it be, let it, let it win. We um. We live in a cul de sac that's kind of at the bottom of two hills, and across the street from our cul de sac is a ravine codd in Kudzu. Yeah, it seems like a good spot for some kad Zoo. It's quite beautiful. We get a lot of rain. In the rain runoff always goes towards that ravine um and it's also where a lot of feral cats live, so apparently cats love it as well. In my head, they have like a Miyazaki level cat kingdom developed in the kad Zoo over there. But that I have always been curious, and I've never asked any of the people that live on that side of the thoroughfare if they're fighting with the Kudzoo. Were just sort of, you know, it's it's kind of naturally being beaten back by just them living and using that land in whatever way they use it. But happy in the ravine forever. Yeah. Um. I remember there being this one patch of kud Zoo right by my elementary school when I was a child, and it was like the elementary school, the school athletic fields where we all played kickball or whatever it recess, and then this kind of oddly shaped patch of woods that was adjacent like between the road and the school property that had been taken over by Kudzoo. And I have not driven through there and some years at this point, so I looked on Google street View and it doesn't appear that it's there anymore. So I wonder if someone made the effort to to get rid of it, or if I have misremember ring where that stand of Kudzoo was that I'm driving past all the time in my childhood. Well, the good news is if someone got rid of it, probably it's babies live on somewhere in the air somewhere else. One of the things we talked about this week was Harriet Quimby yep, who, as we mentioned, appeared in the in the show before, but just one part of four in an episode, and I was like, Oh, there's so much good stuff about her life, she needs her own. Yeah. There are a few a few prior Hosts episodes that incorporate multiple people to look at some specific facet of something. Um, it's not exactly like the Six Impossible Episodes series that we've done, but you know, like that one is about four specific flights that were done by female aviators, and I think this is the second time that one of those aviators has then made another appearance on the show, because one of them is also Jackie cochrane Um. And I resisted doing a full episode on Jackie Cochrane for a really long time because she had already been in that earlier thing. But that earlier thing really is like five minutes on her Yeah, and both Jackie Cochranane Harriet certainly worthy of more discussion than that. We talked about it some in the episode, but I really, like I said, I really did want to make sure we highlighted how much like she gets called an aviator all the time, but really journalism was driving the bus in heriot's life. That was That was the whole reason she even went to watch a plane flight demonstration for the first time. Was like, oh, I could write about that. Um, you know, if she hadn't been a journalist, she would not have have ended up there being captivated by all things new and exciting as she tended to be. I will say this, if you look at her articles, she was not a brief writer. Like she would write very lengthy, really well written articles, but like they were, they were not short. She tended to write long form articles, one of which I I stumbled across and I didn't really use it as a source because it wasn't really germane to the the story, but like she read this whole article at one point about the importance of starting art schools in the United States, uh, and how we needed our own art tradition that was supported by a really strong and well thought out curriculum for people that were coming up and wanted to be artists and to celebrate the culture that we already had as a melting pot. And it was quite quite fun to read. Yeah, she also read a great article that I stumbled across about where she kind of turns the table on gender roles in acting. Where there were already so many articles about uh starlets who were just you know, lured by by the magic of potentially being famous and a being on screen, and she wrote one that's all about like young and up and coming actors and she kind of talks about them in the same language, which is pretty funny. And even as at the top of the article, I know what you're about to read, you would normally think was about women, but it's about guys, and it's just very you see how she was able to really ride that line of being a little bit cheeky and challenging her readers, but also being so charming and winsome in the way that she wrote that people were like of course we should talk about this. She didn't seem to ever have a lot of backlash even when she did write some pretty challenging articles um, which is interesting and not something that gets talked about much at all. I will say this, I'm completely captivated by that purple satin jumpsuit. Yeah, hello, future Halloween outfits. There are pictures of it. It's darling. Yeah, It's one of those things where there are some descriptions you'll read of her, you know, kind of getting to the airfield, particularly if they were local to New York, and you know, driving up in her car and getting out and just kind of looking like this sort of unusual, completely original fashion plate and and being It reminded me a little bit of when we talked about Katie Sandwina, who was this woman who was the opposite of diminutive. You know, she was a tall woman and very strong, but also always like dressed to the nines and her nails were always done. And it's kind of like that, like, here's a woman who is challenging everything you think about what a woman's role is, but she also knows how to stay within people's perceptions of what a woman should be just enough that she didn't make anybody angry about it, and there was a level of acceptance there which seemed to be her entire ethos, like in saying, oh, no, I'm not a feminist. I don't believe in that. Oh, of course women should vote and have equal rights, but I'm not a feminist. I don't know. I don't want to get mad about it, which is just an interesting thing to unpluck. And I think they're you will hear similar things today, Like I feel like the idea of of of people saying oh, I'm not a fines but and then having all of the same perspectives as like mainstream feminism, like that still happens. Yes, I a hundred percent for sure said that when I was in college, I remember the same, same, same, same, same same. We did not get into John Moisant, but he's another one that could be an episode on his own, because there's some there's a lot to unpack there, like where his money came from and his life which was involved with revolutions and all kinds of things before his untimely death. I feel like all of the people, it seems in early Aviation also have a whole other backstory of being sort of remarkable, which is probably what led them to embrace this sort of dangerous and completely new and untested area. There's like a personality typing that you could probably do if you wanted to make a big grid about it. But yes, again a great great Halloween costume idea that purple satin wool lined to jumpsuit. Yeah, nice and warm for cool weather Halloween too. Oh yeah, that's another thing that comes up that's funny is the ways that people tried to help her make sure she was warm enough on her flights, particularly at English Channel flight, where they're like, she's wearing the jumpsuit, but she has two coats on top of it, and some of us stuff some newspapers in around her. And also we put a water bottle in her lap, a hot water bottle, because we don't know if she's going to be able to handle the cold weather up there. Um because again imagine open cockpit, like no one could probably without a little bit of help, handle that kind of temperature change. Uh So, But again I hope my fingers are crossed, my fingers toes, hair follicles, etcetera, that we will see someone dressed as Harriet Quimby for Halloween. That is my wish this year. So again, Happy Friday, everybody. Hope we've got good things on your plate for the weekend. Whatever is on your plate for the weekend, I hope it's awesome. We'll be back with a classic episode tomorrow, new episodes Monday, and then another new episode Wednesday, and you can get all of those wherever you get your podcasts. Stuff you missed in History Class is a production of I heart Radio. For more podcasts from I heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of I Heart Radio Happy Friday. I have Tracy V. Wilson and I'm Holly Fry. This week on the show, we talked about Kutzoo. I said that quiet least, I feel like for some reason we talked about And so one of the things that I do on a regular basis, I have this giant collection of RSS feeds from all of these places that published articles that are related to history and archaeology in some way, and I go through them regularly to bookmark stuff that might make an appearance in a forthcoming Unearthed episode. Um and some of the places that publish these various articles don't strictly publish about archaeology and history, and so there will be articles that are not exactly in the same umbrella. And one of those recently was about the discovery of a fossil of a plant that dinosaurs had eaten, and the headline for this article had described it as dinosaur food, and so my mind kind of went, hey self, do you remember when you were a child and you thought that kud zoo was dinosaur food because you could imagine a big old bronosaurus just like eating the kudzoo out of the top of a tree. Uh, And that pretty quickly went to we should do a podcast about kut zoo because I really want to find out how much of my incredibly limited understanding of how we got so much kud zoo is actually true. So you grew up in the South. I moved to the South when I was nine from the Pacific Northwest, and I similarly the way people described it was like it's coming for you. Yeah, like a Stephen King novel that the kudzoo will kill us all if we don't monitor in it at all times. You don't sleep with your windows open because the kudzu vine might come in while you're sleeping and strangling. Let me tell you, in my experience, Privet is way worse. But Yeah, I had a fight with some asiatic bitter sweet over the weekend that um is growing around our house. And um, this is year three of trying to get rid of the bitter Sweet. It's it's not great. UM. A lot of the other invasive plants that we mentioned in the episode are plants that I've heard of before. UM. Some of them specifically, I've heard about how much damage they're doing in particular ecosystems where they have really taken off and thrived. I did not really realize how many of them are just such a much bigger problem than kud Zoo is covering just a lot more acreage and damaging a lot more other plants. But because like kutzu, has become this shorthand for the invasive thing that is taking everything over. Yeah, I will say, And I was glad you mentioned goats at the end, because in my head I just kept going like, get the goats, just get the get the The goats can do steep hills. They'll eat happily for a long time until you stop them. Yep, goats, it seems like the easiest. And who doesn't love a goat. I mean, you can rent goats to come to your house and devour the things that you don't want to deal with. Yep, and a goat tender will come with them. You just get to stand there and watch goats. That's great. I've solved kutzoo. You guys, no one else thought of this before. Holly has the kad zoo answer. Uh yeah, so man, that James, Dicky poeam. I feel like eighty percent of the articles that I read referenced that um, either referencing it or quoting from it. There was one honestly pretty pro kadzoo book that I read that included a lot of recipes for you know, wass to cook with katzoo and craft instructions for things to make with katzoo, uh, you know, generally presenting kadzoo as a plant that has a lot of uses and that we should learn to live with and uh and learn from. Printed this entire poem at the beginning of it, you know, apparently with permission of either James Dickey or James I guess James Dicky was still living when this book was printed. And the poem is not pro kudzoo in any way. The poem is very anti kadzoo. Kadzoo was like a monstrous for voting kind of evil presence in this poem. And also I find the poem to be racist. It's got a lot of overtones about like in invading Japanese people and invading immigrants, and like, I did not love it. I got very tired of hearing it. And I got to this point late in the day when I only had three or four articles left to go and I was like, please, please, no more James Dickey. James Dickey also the author of Deliverance, a book that I feel like reinforced a lot of incredibly negative stereotypes about South and about men. So had just a lot of James Dickey frustration while working on this show. Safe to say, Tracy is not a James Dickey fan. There are other Southern riders, y'all, so many. Um. I only recently discovered, uh, the use of arrowroot in cooking, So I didn't realize until, like I said, fairly recently in the last year and a half, that kud Zoo had all of these fabulous cooking options that came in. Now I'm like looking around the backyard going where's some kud Zoo come here? Which is not wise. I had to get an app that takes pictures of you take a picture of your plan. It goes no, no, no, don't eat that U. Yeah. Um. You can also buy like Kudzoo powder um at a lot of Asian markets and possibly how I discovered it. Yeah, um, I thought about making a little field trip to an Asian market, um, and I did not. I did not get around to that. Um. While working on this, uh, some of the things that I had seen people make with Kadzo, because there's been kind of a Kudzoo renaissance in some ways, people trying to like sort of reclaim Kudzoo as a thing that can really be a delicacy. And I saw some chefs that were working in Kudzoo with Kadzoo in ways that seemed just really interesting and beautiful. Even um. I came away, like I think I said in the episode that when I was a kid, especially when it was green, I actually thought Katzo was kind of pretty. And I came away from the episode more sympathetic to a kad Zoo than I had been before. I don't think I ever went through a kud Zoo dislike period. I'm just like many people I think that actually live in the South. At this point, you're like, that's Katzu. Yeah, I got deal with it, or just let it be, let it, let it win. We um. We live in a cul de sac that's kind of at the bottom of two hills, and across the street from our cul de sac is a ravine codd in Kudzu. Yeah, it seems like a good spot for some kad Zoo. It's quite beautiful. We get a lot of rain. In the rain runoff always goes towards that ravine um and it's also where a lot of feral cats live, so apparently cats love it as well. In my head, they have like a Miyazaki level cat kingdom developed in the kad Zoo over there. But that I have always been curious, and I've never asked any of the people that live on that side of the thoroughfare if they're fighting with the Kudzoo. Were just sort of, you know, it's it's kind of naturally being beaten back by just them living and using that land in whatever way they use it. But happy in the ravine forever. Yeah. Um. I remember there being this one patch of kud Zoo right by my elementary school when I was a child, and it was like the elementary school, the school athletic fields where we all played kickball or whatever it recess, and then this kind of oddly shaped patch of woods that was adjacent like between the road and the school property that had been taken over by Kudzoo. And I have not driven through there and some years at this point, so I looked on Google street View and it doesn't appear that it's there anymore. So I wonder if someone made the effort to to get rid of it, or if I have misremember ring where that stand of Kudzoo was that I'm driving past all the time in my childhood. Well, the good news is if someone got rid of it, probably it's babies live on somewhere in the air somewhere else. One of the things we talked about this week was Harriet Quimby yep, who, as we mentioned, appeared in the in the show before, but just one part of four in an episode, and I was like, Oh, there's so much good stuff about her life, she needs her own. Yeah. There are a few a few prior Hosts episodes that incorporate multiple people to look at some specific facet of something. Um, it's not exactly like the Six Impossible Episodes series that we've done, but you know, like that one is about four specific flights that were done by female aviators, and I think this is the second time that one of those aviators has then made another appearance on the show, because one of them is also Jackie cochrane Um. And I resisted doing a full episode on Jackie Cochrane for a really long time because she had already been in that earlier thing. But that earlier thing really is like five minutes on her Yeah, and both Jackie Cochranane Harriet certainly worthy of more discussion than that. We talked about it some in the episode, but I really, like I said, I really did want to make sure we highlighted how much like she gets called an aviator all the time, but really journalism was driving the bus in heriot's life. That was That was the whole reason she even went to watch a plane flight demonstration for the first time. Was like, oh, I could write about that. Um, you know, if she hadn't been a journalist, she would not have have ended up there being captivated by all things new and exciting as she tended to be. I will say this, if you look at her articles, she was not a brief writer. Like she would write very lengthy, really well written articles, but like they were, they were not short. She tended to write long form articles, one of which I I stumbled across and I didn't really use it as a source because it wasn't really germane to the the story, but like she read this whole article at one point about the importance of starting art schools in the United States, uh, and how we needed our own art tradition that was supported by a really strong and well thought out curriculum for people that were coming up and wanted to be artists and to celebrate the culture that we already had as a melting pot. And it was quite quite fun to read. Yeah, she also read a great article that I stumbled across about where she kind of turns the table on gender roles in acting. Where there were already so many articles about uh starlets who were just you know, lured by by the magic of potentially being famous and a being on screen, and she wrote one that's all about like young and up and coming actors and she kind of talks about them in the same language, which is pretty funny. And even as at the top of the article, I know what you're about to read, you would normally think was about women, but it's about guys, and it's just very you see how she was able to really ride that line of being a little bit cheeky and challenging her readers, but also being so charming and winsome in the way that she wrote that people were like of course we should talk about this. She didn't seem to ever have a lot of backlash even when she did write some pretty challenging articles um, which is interesting and not something that gets talked about much at all. I will say this, I'm completely captivated by that purple satin jumpsuit. Yeah, hello, future Halloween outfits. There are pictures of it. It's darling. Yeah, It's one of those things where there are some descriptions you'll read of her, you know, kind of getting to the airfield, particularly if they were local to New York, and you know, driving up in her car and getting out and just kind of looking like this sort of unusual, completely original fashion plate and and being It reminded me a little bit of when we talked about Katie Sandwina, who was this woman who was the opposite of diminutive. You know, she was a tall woman and very strong, but also always like dressed to the nines and her nails were always done. And it's kind of like that, like, here's a woman who is challenging everything you think about what a woman's role is, but she also knows how to stay within people's perceptions of what a woman should be just enough that she didn't make anybody angry about it, and there was a level of acceptance there which seemed to be her entire ethos, like in saying, oh, no, I'm not a feminist. I don't believe in that. Oh, of course women should vote and have equal rights, but I'm not a feminist. I don't know. I don't want to get mad about it, which is just an interesting thing to unpluck. And I think they're you will hear similar things today, Like I feel like the idea of of of people saying oh, I'm not a fines but and then having all of the same perspectives as like mainstream feminism, like that still happens. Yes, I a hundred percent for sure said that when I was in college, I remember the same, same, same, same, same same. We did not get into John Moisant, but he's another one that could be an episode on his own, because there's some there's a lot to unpack there, like where his money came from and his life which was involved with revolutions and all kinds of things before his untimely death. I feel like all of the people, it seems in early Aviation also have a whole other backstory of being sort of remarkable, which is probably what led them to embrace this sort of dangerous and completely new and untested area. There's like a personality typing that you could probably do if you wanted to make a big grid about it. But yes, again a great great Halloween costume idea that purple satin wool lined to jumpsuit. Yeah, nice and warm for cool weather Halloween too. Oh yeah, that's another thing that comes up that's funny is the ways that people tried to help her make sure she was warm enough on her flights, particularly at English Channel flight, where they're like, she's wearing the jumpsuit, but she has two coats on top of it, and some of us stuff some newspapers in around her. And also we put a water bottle in her lap, a hot water bottle, because we don't know if she's going to be able to handle the cold weather up there. Um because again imagine open cockpit, like no one could probably without a little bit of help, handle that kind of temperature change. Uh So, But again I hope my fingers are crossed, my fingers toes, hair follicles, etcetera, that we will see someone dressed as Harriet Quimby for Halloween. That is my wish this year. So again, Happy Friday, everybody. Hope we've got good things on your plate for the weekend. Whatever is on your plate for the weekend, I hope it's awesome. We'll be back with a classic episode tomorrow, new episodes Monday, and then another new episode Wednesday, and you can get all of those wherever you get your podcasts. Stuff you missed in History Class is a production of I heart Radio. For more podcasts from I heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.