Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of My Heart Radio. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind a listener mail. This is Robert Lamb and this is Joe McCormick, and it's Monday, the day of the week. We read back some messages you've sent into the show account, which I always say at the end of the episode, I'll say at the beginning this time it is contact at stuff to Blow your Mind dot com if you ever want to get in touch, maybe a little bit more accessible up here, Rob did did you and Seth do some kind of teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles related uh listener mail episode? While I was out? Yes, basically we I pulled up to listener mails. UH one about elden Ring and Cauldron's Okay, are you have you played that game? Do you have any Yeah? Yeah, I have. With this Cauldron character, I think maybe I think I've come across him once. Okay, I'm I'm progressing very slowly in elden Ring. Okay, well, I guess it's this is what you missed that one because it has spoilers in it for elden Ring. But yeah, we also talked about the new Teenage meeting Ninja Turtles arcade game Shredders Revenge, So that was pretty fun, just a little reminiscent about old Turtles games and Turtles movies and the cartoon a little bit. Well, we got some feedback on the episode coming up later on, but first, I guess we should talk about document duplication because we got this message from Ian, who has written in before to provide a lawyer's perspective on several issues. Always nice to have, and Ian had thoughts about originals and copies. So Rob, if you don't mind, I'm gonna jump right into this one. Go for it. Dear Rob and Joe. I was recently listening to your two part episode about the history of duplicating documents, and I was struck by your discussion of the fact that in ancient times, the written record of an agreement or other legally significant proclamation would sometimes embody the legal rights in responsivelities associated with it, and that destroying the record would be tantamount to terminating those rights and responsibilities. Yeah, this was in the context of of practices in ancient Greece having to do with like uh contracts and decrees by rulers and treaties and so forth, that there was a widespread assumption that in order to show that this document was no no longer held true or was no longer in force, you would have to destroy all the copies of that document. Ian continues. You mentioned that in modern times we do not think of written records in this way, and for instance, would not have to destroy an out of date employee handbook as a way of showing it was no longer in force. You're absolutely correct in most instances. But as an attorney, I am well acquainted with one area where originals do carry the metaphysical embodiment of abstract concepts they represent. That is the law. The law, particularly trial procedure, is filled with instances where originals have a level of importance that exceeds what society in general gives them. With wills, for example, the original truly embodies the wishes of the uh. Oh, I don't know this word. Testator or testator, I'm gonna say testator, uh, the person who made the will, to the extent that if the testator voluntarily destroys the original will, it does render that will null and void. And even if copies exist, they are of no effect. So while a scene in a movie with a character tearing up an iou may not actually have any meaning. If they tear up a will, it most certainly does. More generally, there is a principle in courtroom procedure known as the best evidence rule, which requires that the original of a document or a video or audio recording, etcetera be presented rather than a copy. A copy is only allowed if the original has been lost, destroyed, or is otherwise unavailable. Even then you're not technically admit the copy is direct evidence in its own right. It's always the original that is legally relevant, and the copy is merely admitted as evidence of what the contents of the original were. So if so, if you have a theft caught on security video and do not have access to the original video, you may present a copy not to prove that the accused committed the theft, but to prove that the original video showed the accused committing the theft. It's definitely a case of legal hair splitting, but as a practical matter, copies are typically treated as simply admissible, at least in my jurisdiction. But that is the technical legal theory underlying that sort of evidence, and I suspected dates back to a time when copies of documents were uncommon or inexact. Yeah, this sounds like it would be based on a world where copies may introduce changes or errors as a as a regular matter of course, rather than an era of digital duplication Inan goes On. Also tangentially related to the legal realm, if you ever get a speeding ticket, you may encounter a modern use of carbon paper. Many police still write their tickets on a stack of carbon paper, which yields the original ticket and two copies for us locally, the bottom or pink copy is given to the person who got the ticket, the middle or green copy goes to the court, and the original white copy goes to the local prosecutor. It has always seemed odd to me that the copy that is the hardest to read is the one given to the person accused of the traffic violation. Uh. And then finally, I'm gonna summarize Ian's last point, But it's an interesting comparison between illuminated manuscripts, which we talked about in the with relevance to the idea of fact simile, that sometimes copying a document is not only accurately capturing the code of its text, but literally capturing every element of the design of each page, such as with you know, medieval manuscripts that might have illustrations or beautiful calligraphy or something like that. And Ian compares this to the novel House of Leaves, which I think is a great point of comparison, because that's a novel that is not just the code of its text, but it is how each individual page appears, because it's a lot many parts of that novel are sort of weird sort of artifacts or imagery that they're like documents as documents, not documents as just the text of the document. Yeah, it's it's kind of it's kind of a one of a kind book. Uh, quite a rewarding experience, but yeah, difficult to compare to most other books. I think you might be able to compare it to like William Blake, you know, the Originals, where the poems are associated with with paintings or illustrations. There's kind of an appearance of the page that adds to the value of the text. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's one of these which you do have to read it in in that original format. You can't, like I can't imagine reading it on a an e book format or an audio book format, and certainly, uh, there's been a lot of discussions about any kind of film or TV adaptation, though apparently was sort of in the works not too long ago. But I don't think it went anywhere. I don't know how that would work. That doesn't I think it seems unadaptable. I think if memory serves, like the principle was this is, this cannot be a complete adaptation. It has to be something that is kind of auxiliary to it. So sort of like a continuation of the House of Leaves project um as opposed to a a film version offset project. You know. Yeah, and then finally Ian says thank you as always for your entertaining and lightning podcast. I'll leave you with one final thought about modern infinite copying and distribution. If you mark every email as important, then none of them are what wise words and I agree, um so yeah, a couple of comments on that. Number One. I have in my life received a speeding ticket that was written on carbon paper, and I the copy I got, I could not tell you what it said. It was not text, it was just squiggles. And I always wondered that if I'd had the resources of the time to like take it to court and fight it out. I wonder if the fact that the copy I had was completely illegible would have been able to get me out of that ticket. I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. We'll have to I'll have to ask for more more legal insight from listeners on that one. But yeah, this was I guess. I was a teenager at the time, and I got it in a place different from where I lived, so it just wasn't yeah, I could do really, I just had to pay it, all right. This one comes to us from Laney. Hey, Robin, Joe, my name is Laney and I'm from cut Off, Louisiana, and you can say it on air. I wanted to write into you about, in effect simily episodes. Even on the first episode, I kept waiting for you all to talk about carbon copies. I had to laugh when Joe talked about carbon copies in the twenty one century, because I still use them today. I'm a middle school teacher, and our behavior Consequences sheets are on carbon cop our behavior and fractions fall into three categories. Recessed attentions, minor infractions, and major infractions. Major infractions are done completely on the computer, but our recessed attention forms and minor infraction forms are on carbon copy paper handouts for recessed detentions and minor infractions. The original copy is for the students to bring home and have the parents signed. The first carbon copy goes to the teacher who writes the infraction ticket to keep their records, and the second carbon copy goes to the disciplinary and at school still using them in two and I don't see them going away since. Also I remember when I realized the CC on email stood for carbon copy mind blown, mind blown emoji. Thanks for the incredible work you do, Lanni from Louisiana. I thought this email was either a very interesting coincidence or somehow indicative of something in the zeitgeist. That two major remaining uses for carbon paper that have been mentioned by listeners have to do with punishment, speeding tickets and disciplinary records. Also interesting that in the school the offender gets the original copy, or at least their parents do, and in the speeding ticket the offender gets the worst least least fidelity uh fight. What's the adjective version of fidelity? The least uh? The least good copy. Have you Have you ever gotten carbon paper from a school or is that another thing here? I'm trying to remember the last time I received a carbon A lot of times, you know, you get carbon copy on stuff and it's, um, it's not important. It's something that's it's almost instantly thrown away. UM. So I'm not sure if they're still using it in terms of like place places I've been going in, like the local school. I don't know. All right, you're ready to move on to some responses to Cauldron's. Oh yeah, Cauldron's it's the it's the flavor of the month. Let's do it, okay. Uh, we got a cool message from Michaela. I'm gonna summarize and paraphrase a few parts of it. So Michaela begins by saying some nice things about the show and by recommending we check out an email newsletter called Dracula Daily, which is an interesting concept. Basically from what I can tell, it's that since Dracula is an epistolary novel, meaning you know, it's made up of fictional letters, diary entrees, newspaper articles, and so forth. But I'll have a date attached to them. You can actually serve up the novel along its own timeline, So subscribers to Dracula Daily apparently receive the individual parts of the novel on the dates of the year that those parts are written or published within the fictional timeline. I like that idea. Yeah, yeah, that's an interesting idea. But finally, MICHAELA had something to add about our discussion of stone soup. So to briefly refresh on the concept of the sound stoop sound stoop stone soup tail. Uh. You know, the story is that like someone in the story, maybe a soldier or a traveler or a beggar or somebody crafty, comes into a town and they have no food of their own, but they bring a pot and they put some water in it, and they put a stone in the pot and they start to boil it. And then locals come around asking, hey, what are you doing there? And they say, well, I'm making some stone soup. It's it's gonna be delicious, but you know, I need a little bit of garnish, right, there's one ingredient I don't have. And uh, they say, would you happen to have an onion? That would really make the stone soup perfect? And then I'll share it with you, and the person says, well, sure, I'll contribute one onion, and by that same strategy they can get in some carrots and some garlic and some herbs and some seasoning, some salt and pepper, and some meats and stuff, with each person thinking well, I'm just contributing a little tiny bit, and then I get some of this delicious soup, and by the end you have an actual soup that's full of nutrition and flavor that was built with no starting ingredients. So I think the story is mostly supposed to be a parable about resourcefulness and sharing and communal activities and stuff. But uh Michaela contributes a sort of literal interpretation of the story. She says, I don't remember where I heard this, but there was a version of the story where the stone itself actually added flavor to the stone soup. The story was that it was still a ruse, but the stone carried some flavors from previous soups it had been in. Perhaps the stones used back then also contributed to the flavor of the soups they were used in, not just if they had been used in a soup before, but from minerals that would leach out, adding to the overall nutrition via small doses of iron, calcium, or salt and the like. I don't know how scientifically viable this is at all, but it makes some sense in my head. Well, MICHAELA, I looked this up, and sure enough, I found several accounts of people actually claiming to have used or two have known people who use stones in soup for different reasons such as supposedly adding flavor or nutrition. And again, like you, I can't vouch for this actually working to add much flavor nutrition, but that was the reasoning, and it seems like this was a practice in some Depression era American cooking, like with the idea that if you had a stone that was used in a pot that cooked previous soup, you put that stone in the next soup pot. It's like a way of adding extra flavor. It just you know, but brings it from the last spot. But MICHAELA also had some comments on our discussion of the earliest cooking pots, of those Joeman ceramic cooking pots having round bottoms rather than flat one. So some of the earliest ceramic cooking vessels were actually things that wouldn't stand up on their own. They either probably had to be suspended over a fire or or held in some kind of holding frame or something. So MICHAELA says, spherical earthen pots could have a few advantages off the top of my head, being that a sphere has the greatest volume to surface area ratio, It could proportionally hold more than a cylindrical pot, and it would retain heat for longer. I can also imagine if you're putting stones in it to heat it up, having a spherical shape would mean the rocks would fall to the same central point, less fishing around for them. That that last idea, That that's interesting anyway, Kala says, feel free to read this on listener mail, edit out whatever to make it fit. I would be delighted and to make my like decade. I would love to see you guys if you come to the Twin Cities. Well, if we ever, if we're ever on tour, we will certainly announce it ahead of time. So yeah, if if we make it up that way, you can be there. You can't help a thing back of the stone soup thing though, and think, well, you can also have certainly some magical thinking related the to the idea that this stone was once in a really good soup. If this stone were to be in your soup, then surely years would be as delicious. Uh. In the same way that you know, we've talked about this on the show before, like ideas of say, um, you know, treating a weapon to to cure the wound, sort of a situation exactly. Uh. And it also makes me think it could be a sort of magical version of the idea of the infinite broth. I'm sure you've heard of. You know, there are places that will just keep the same pot of souper stew or broth bubbling for maybe years at a time, and you'd be constantly taking parts of it out to eat, but also adding to the same pot. And uh and like they're I think there are restaurants that do this. I can't remember where I've read about this happening. I think I think this might be a sort of Eastern phenomenon. But you just keep the same pot going and uh. And I think the idea is it just continually develops more and more complex flavor over the years. Well, this reminds me though some of the like the Irish and or Welsh smiths we were looking at and talking about the cauldron as as a source of infinite goodness. Perhaps that has some connections to this as well. All right, let's go to another one here. This one comes to us from Matt good Day. Fellas really enjoyed the series and cauldrons. It was great to hear so many insights about a significance of such objects to Gaelic and Britonic cultures, as well as many others mentioned. Discussions of cauldron esque ups and the communal nature of cauldron's reminded me of the Gaelic and Gaelic warning um um. They pronounced this wrong. Uh koatch, also commonly known as quake, which I think is a Scots version of the older Gaelic name a quat katch, is a sort of ceremonial drinking vessel used for special occasions. I've always pronounced it like quake, but I'm a full blooded Canadian, so I leave it to our Scottish and Irish cousins to clarify. So quake, uh kowatch, quatch quake Um. I'm not not sure where to land on this one, but not quatto, not quato. Anyway, my friends and I have employed the We'll go with quake, since this is in his voice to imbibe in a wee drum during Robert Burns night suppers before COVID. Anyway, I believe they are also used as part of wedding ceremonies. Despite getting kilted up for my own betrothal, though my wife and I did not share a drink from a quake at our own ceremony, However, I have heard of others doing so. I thought it was an interesting example, if not just an extension of the discussion around the role of cauldron like vessels in community relationships, feasting, etcetera. I imagine the quake was an object for every day use back in the day, but additionally would take on a ceremonial role during events or cultural formalities uh such as when to clan chieftains meet or when welcoming a stranger seeking shelter. I don't have much direct knowledge myself. It just seems logical given the nature of older clan based societies where hospitality played such a critical role in community relations those of the Gaelic world, just being one of many examples. That's it. Just thought you might find it an interesting example. Matt, that is interesting. I don't think I knew about this, uh, this type of artifact though. Of course even in our our episodes we talked about sometimes the gray line between a bowl and a drinking vessel. Uh. Yeah, so there's there's a certain amount of overlap. I think, yeah, what is a grail? You know, you watch Monty Python. It's a drinking cup, right, But but isn't a grail originally? I mean something like cauldron or maybe in some context it does, all right. This next message is in response to a previous Listener mail where somebody wrote in about a traditional Mongolian dish and some interesting methods of animal butchery and cookery. So this is from m M. Says Hi, Robert and Joe. A couple of weeks ago, somebody wrote about a traditional Mongolian dish where a goat's skull and hide is used as a sealed vessel for cooking other ingredients, and you asked about other cuisine traditions that did something similar. Here in Colombia, we use that method to cook the traditional lechona Spanish for suckling pig. Although the modern version uses a full grown animal instead of a small one. It evolved from an older Spanish tradition that was basically an oven cooked spatch cocked piglet. To make lacona, the pigs meat, bones, and organs are removed, while keeping the skin of the back and torso with the head intact. The meat is cut in small pieces and stuffed back into the skin, mixed with spices, onions, green peas, sometimes rice because it's cheap but sacrilegious according to the traditional recipe, and then you stitch the skin to seal everything inside, bathe it in orange juice, and cook the whole thing in a brick oven until the inside is done and has infused with the drippings from the skin's fat, and the outer layer is thin and crispy, similar to the skin in peking duck. A single achona can feed a small army or an average Colombian family gathering winky face emoji, with each person getting a generous scoop of the stuffing along with a square of the thin, crispy skin. It's very, very good, despite some people finding the side of a pig's head a bit grotesque in medieval but let's not forget that you guys over there didn't just put the herbs and spices inside. The thanks Giving turkey. You used to put pretty much all of the things that are now served as side dishes inside the bird, so they would cook with it and mix with its own flavor. Today's practice of cooking the turkey on its own and the stuffings on the side came with the popularization of stovetop cooking and the appearance of some sanitary concerns in the seventies. Keep up the good work, Love the show m in Columbia. That's that's good. That reminds me of something in Martin Wallon's book on Squid. I talked to him on a recent episode of the show. Uh talks a little bit about ancient use of culinary use of of squid and how you would have it stuffed with, say sheep's brains, at least according to one ancient recipe, but that later on its discussed that the squid body is essentially the perfect the perfect thing to stuff anything into, Like it's just the perfect body cavity to make and it's like nature's ravioli. I guess so Nature's dumpling, or you can think that the ocean's sausage casing in it's a tube like a like a sheep intestine or whatever. Yeah, but I'm I'm all for yes, keep the pigs head on it. Maybe, yes, it could be a big growth, tesque and a bit medieval, but you know, people need to know where their their porks coming from. Look a look, your your your your feast in the face. All right. This one comes to us from Ben Ben Rights in Hello, stuff to blow your mind people's. I was so stoked to hear your last email bag episode. I started typing this message before the episode was over. I've been following the progress of this game, Teenage Muting Turtles Shredders Revenge, uh, uh and um for over a year, and I'm well impressed. Uh. And from here, he goes into a number of details about his excitement for the game, his experience with the game. Uh. Suffice to say he was very excited and very impressed. But then he also mentioned Robert and Seth spoke of the other teenage Meeting Ninja Turtle properties in the episode, and I would like to throw in another couple. The Last Ronan is a comic from I d W Publishing that is being released as a trade paperback next month and looks amazing. Also check out the most recent Teenage Muting Ninja Turtles cartoon Rise of the Teenage Muting Ninja Turtles available via Nickelodeon and Paramount Plus. Both are different takes on the franchise on very opposite points of the spectrum. Thank you for all the great content you make. I'm glad I have stb y m as quote friends in my ears. Keep up the great work, Cowabunga Dues Benjamin ps, I'm a Raphael. What does that mean? If you're a Raphael? Does that mean you're like moody and angry? Well, this is one thing. Seth and I discussed that if you have to select a turtle to be in one of these games. Uh, there's the discussion that does this say something about me? Uh? So Seth and I are both Donna Donna Tello's I don't know if you have a gut answer to which turtle you are, which one you would select. I think I was also a Donna Tello, But I don't know if that's psychologically revealing. I think it was just because I regarded their weapons and thought that his bow staff had the longest reach, which was true in that really hard side scrolling in the S game. Ah. Well, it helps to in this game as well. He does have very long reach with it. My son, by the way, is Rafael. So there you go. The other thing. I did look up this this. Yeah, I mean Rafael in their teenage years, you gotta watch out. Yeah, well Rafa Rafael has got some some good news in that game. Uh. This is the last Ronan. I did look up, and it does look kind of interesting it. I think it's like a futuristic situation where there's only one Turtle left, uh kind of deal, and he's having to fight the powers, the d and so forth. That's interesting. So I wonder what Benjamin means here about saying the Last Ronan and and Rise of the Turtles or opposites. I assume he means like one is very dark and one is more light and fun. Yeah, I think one is still for the kids and one is for the more of the you know, the not necessarily grown up audience. But you know that the edge or comic book content I'm imagining, which I think that has roots back to some of the original uh comic book stuff regarding the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles. Are you ready? Could could you? Or maybe you and Seth take a stab at a couple of random Turtles questions that popped into my head. They're both about fashion in the Tin Tinja Turtles. Okay, so the first one is, are Bebop and rock Steady supposed to code as punks? Like Bebop's got the mohawk and the nose ring and the fashion glasses. Is he supposed to be a punk or is that just like as just random uh stuff to to make him look cool? And if he is supposed to be a punk, or if they're both supposed to be punks, are they like, are they into the music or did they be? Were they transformed into punks after being exposed to the ooze? Could they have become surfers or goths? What's the what's the origin on this? Here? Well, Seth what and I have to chime in? But my recollection on this is that they were human beings already belonged to these subcultures and then they got used and transformed. But maybe I'm wrong on that. Maybe they were an actual rhino and an actual pig of some sort. Oh, Okay, I think I'm going more with like the Ninja Turtles movie too, where you just start with regular animals and then they're transformed into human forms, but if they started as humans, that would make way more sense. Okay, here's what I know. Okay, hello everyone, it's out here. Um So, if you watch the animated series. Now I know all of the series, whether it's the comics, the movies, the animated series, et cetera, they each have slightly different timelines. But picture those street punks from Jason Takes Manhattan, Okay, the ones where it's like, gosh, isn't New York or dirty filthy city? All these kids, we don't understand where they're coming from. They're wearing crazy fashions. What's with this? If you see pictures of bebop and rock study before they mutate, that's exactly what they look like. Those like filthy you know, nineteen seventies, nineteen eighties street kids in New York. That that that that was our five very Warriors, esk. You know they are there are punk slash heavy metal criminals, as would appear in a movie made by people who don't really understand these music genres exactly that they there are mainstream cultures bastardizations of these subcultures, and so therefore, yes they are punk. Yes they are heavy metal, but only in the regard that like a forty year old man who is writing a children's cartoon show under sticking these concepts very good. I've got a second question. Are you ready? I'm ready? Okay. Also about fashion in Ninja Turtles, can anyone explain why the reporter April O'Neil has classically been depicted wearing an all yellow jumpsuit? Is that just random or is this an outfit associated with TV journalism in some context that I don't know that I'm not aware of. I have my interpretation. How about how about you, Robert? Do you do have a word on this? I never really thought about it, but uh, I mean a good jumpsuit, A jumpsuit is a good look, so I never right yellow. I mean you could like super visible. I guess like you're not. Here's Here's always been my interpretation. I bet there's a real reason somewhere deep and like you know, the the red conning of the Ninja Turtle world, I always figured it was to let us know as the audience that this is an action oriented woman, that she is going to get out there and she's going to run around, She's gonna do some stuff and then in addition to that, this part is probably the childhood speculation. The only yellow clothes that I would see as a kid would be like a yellow like rain suit. So I was assumed that she was like basically environment ready. She could run down into the sewers. She could be out on a dirty street and she could you know, just you know, just just just just stay dry, mobile, you know, well protected and in this in this jumpsuite. I know what you mean. Actually, when I was a kid, I think the closest way I had to make sense of that was that it looks kind of like a radiation suit. M hmm. It does give her like a sense of official belonging, like she's you until it is almost like a uniform, like I am supposed to be here, I am here on official business, I am a reporter. Well, I think we should bring that back the TVs TV journalists on the scene now, full body, yellow jumpsuit. Okay, thanks for your input, seth Rob. Do you want to tackle one more message here? How about how about doing this one about weird hout cinema? All right, this one comes to us from James. James says, hello again, gents, So I don't remember what James said last time, but now he's saying stuff again. Um. I was excited to see returned to the expansive collection of classic horror flis referenced by The Misfits on your recent episode of Weird House Cinema covering a Fiend without a Face. Well that' saw that James was someone who wrote in about the Misfits. James continues, I immediately felt a sense of obligation to seek out a used VHS copy on eBay and re listen to the podcast after viewing it. Apologies for my late email about this topic. Shipping took a while. Overall, I thoroughly enjoyed both the movie and You're Hilarious in depth analysis of the film, those sound effects were truly something else, and I still ponder the folly work used to produce the walking through the kicks cereal while slurping noodle soup monster sounds. While the first two thirds of the film did have me asking when are they going to get to the fireworks factory, the climactic scenes at the end made the whole experience well worth it. The obviously dated, yet surprisingly good and gory stop motion animation Battles left me yearning for a video game adaptation of this schlocky old Jim Oh, that would be great. Yes, yeah, I can, as long as you focused on again, the last thirteen minutes of the film, don't. I guess you could do a role playing sort of a thing with the rest of the movie. I guess you could, or I feel like it would be a great opportunity for one of those side scroller movie adaptation video games that's full of things that are not in the movie at all. Like, so you play a guy jumping on platforms with the pistol and there's brains flying at you. But then there's like, I don't know, you know, clowns popping up out of trash cans to bite you or something. That's how all those those movie games were. They had stuff that was never in the movie. Well, we know what the power up would be in the game, that's for sure. Oh, Ben's a drain, right, Yeah, you have to keep popping those bensa drains in order to keep up with the brain monsters. Yeah, all right, Well, James continues Random Tangent. In a previous episode, one of you mentioned a friends band doing a bluegrass cover of the Misfits Astro Zombies, and this song has coincidentally been a staple in my own solo acoustic open mic set for years. Smiley Face, I'll start working on Fiend without a Face next. Perhaps I'll try to send a recording someday. As always, I am really enjoying your pod and appreciate the diversity of topics and themes you cover. After the Ninja Turtles chat with Seth, I'll have to seek out that new beat him up game soon too, cheers James, Thank you, James. All right, Well, we're gonna go ahead close up the mail bag there, but we'd love to hear from everyone out there. Uh So, right in you can find our listener mail episodes on Mondays and the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast feed Uh yeah, so right in past episodes, current episodes, future episodes. Anything's fair game Huge thanks as always to our excellent audio producer Seth Nicholas Johnson. Uh. If you would like to get in touch with us with feedback on this episode or any other, to suggest a topic for the future, or just to say hello, you can email us at contact at stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. Stuff to Blow Your Mind is a production of I heart Radio. 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Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of My Heart Radio. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind a listener mail. This is Robert Lamb and this is Joe McCormick, and it's Monday, the day of the week. We read back some messages you've sent into the show account, which I always say at the end of the episode, I'll say at the beginning this time it is contact at stuff to Blow your Mind dot com if you ever want to get in touch, maybe a little bit more accessible up here, Rob did did you and Seth do some kind of teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles related uh listener mail episode? While I was out? Yes, basically we I pulled up to listener mails. UH one about elden Ring and Cauldron's Okay, are you have you played that game? Do you have any Yeah? Yeah, I have. With this Cauldron character, I think maybe I think I've come across him once. Okay, I'm I'm progressing very slowly in elden Ring. Okay, well, I guess it's this is what you missed that one because it has spoilers in it for elden Ring. But yeah, we also talked about the new Teenage meeting Ninja Turtles arcade game Shredders Revenge, So that was pretty fun, just a little reminiscent about old Turtles games and Turtles movies and the cartoon a little bit. Well, we got some feedback on the episode coming up later on, but first, I guess we should talk about document duplication because we got this message from Ian, who has written in before to provide a lawyer's perspective on several issues. Always nice to have, and Ian had thoughts about originals and copies. So Rob, if you don't mind, I'm gonna jump right into this one. Go for it. Dear Rob and Joe. I was recently listening to your two part episode about the history of duplicating documents, and I was struck by your discussion of the fact that in ancient times, the written record of an agreement or other legally significant proclamation would sometimes embody the legal rights in responsivelities associated with it, and that destroying the record would be tantamount to terminating those rights and responsibilities. Yeah, this was in the context of of practices in ancient Greece having to do with like uh contracts and decrees by rulers and treaties and so forth, that there was a widespread assumption that in order to show that this document was no no longer held true or was no longer in force, you would have to destroy all the copies of that document. Ian continues. You mentioned that in modern times we do not think of written records in this way, and for instance, would not have to destroy an out of date employee handbook as a way of showing it was no longer in force. You're absolutely correct in most instances. But as an attorney, I am well acquainted with one area where originals do carry the metaphysical embodiment of abstract concepts they represent. That is the law. The law, particularly trial procedure, is filled with instances where originals have a level of importance that exceeds what society in general gives them. With wills, for example, the original truly embodies the wishes of the uh. Oh, I don't know this word. Testator or testator, I'm gonna say testator, uh, the person who made the will, to the extent that if the testator voluntarily destroys the original will, it does render that will null and void. And even if copies exist, they are of no effect. So while a scene in a movie with a character tearing up an iou may not actually have any meaning. If they tear up a will, it most certainly does. More generally, there is a principle in courtroom procedure known as the best evidence rule, which requires that the original of a document or a video or audio recording, etcetera be presented rather than a copy. A copy is only allowed if the original has been lost, destroyed, or is otherwise unavailable. Even then you're not technically admit the copy is direct evidence in its own right. It's always the original that is legally relevant, and the copy is merely admitted as evidence of what the contents of the original were. So if so, if you have a theft caught on security video and do not have access to the original video, you may present a copy not to prove that the accused committed the theft, but to prove that the original video showed the accused committing the theft. It's definitely a case of legal hair splitting, but as a practical matter, copies are typically treated as simply admissible, at least in my jurisdiction. But that is the technical legal theory underlying that sort of evidence, and I suspected dates back to a time when copies of documents were uncommon or inexact. Yeah, this sounds like it would be based on a world where copies may introduce changes or errors as a as a regular matter of course, rather than an era of digital duplication Inan goes On. Also tangentially related to the legal realm, if you ever get a speeding ticket, you may encounter a modern use of carbon paper. Many police still write their tickets on a stack of carbon paper, which yields the original ticket and two copies for us locally, the bottom or pink copy is given to the person who got the ticket, the middle or green copy goes to the court, and the original white copy goes to the local prosecutor. It has always seemed odd to me that the copy that is the hardest to read is the one given to the person accused of the traffic violation. Uh. And then finally, I'm gonna summarize Ian's last point, But it's an interesting comparison between illuminated manuscripts, which we talked about in the with relevance to the idea of fact simile, that sometimes copying a document is not only accurately capturing the code of its text, but literally capturing every element of the design of each page, such as with you know, medieval manuscripts that might have illustrations or beautiful calligraphy or something like that. And Ian compares this to the novel House of Leaves, which I think is a great point of comparison, because that's a novel that is not just the code of its text, but it is how each individual page appears, because it's a lot many parts of that novel are sort of weird sort of artifacts or imagery that they're like documents as documents, not documents as just the text of the document. Yeah, it's it's kind of it's kind of a one of a kind book. Uh, quite a rewarding experience, but yeah, difficult to compare to most other books. I think you might be able to compare it to like William Blake, you know, the Originals, where the poems are associated with with paintings or illustrations. There's kind of an appearance of the page that adds to the value of the text. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's one of these which you do have to read it in in that original format. You can't, like I can't imagine reading it on a an e book format or an audio book format, and certainly, uh, there's been a lot of discussions about any kind of film or TV adaptation, though apparently was sort of in the works not too long ago. But I don't think it went anywhere. I don't know how that would work. That doesn't I think it seems unadaptable. I think if memory serves, like the principle was this is, this cannot be a complete adaptation. It has to be something that is kind of auxiliary to it. So sort of like a continuation of the House of Leaves project um as opposed to a a film version offset project. You know. Yeah, and then finally Ian says thank you as always for your entertaining and lightning podcast. I'll leave you with one final thought about modern infinite copying and distribution. If you mark every email as important, then none of them are what wise words and I agree, um so yeah, a couple of comments on that. Number One. I have in my life received a speeding ticket that was written on carbon paper, and I the copy I got, I could not tell you what it said. It was not text, it was just squiggles. And I always wondered that if I'd had the resources of the time to like take it to court and fight it out. I wonder if the fact that the copy I had was completely illegible would have been able to get me out of that ticket. I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. We'll have to I'll have to ask for more more legal insight from listeners on that one. But yeah, this was I guess. I was a teenager at the time, and I got it in a place different from where I lived, so it just wasn't yeah, I could do really, I just had to pay it, all right. This one comes to us from Laney. Hey, Robin, Joe, my name is Laney and I'm from cut Off, Louisiana, and you can say it on air. I wanted to write into you about, in effect simily episodes. Even on the first episode, I kept waiting for you all to talk about carbon copies. I had to laugh when Joe talked about carbon copies in the twenty one century, because I still use them today. I'm a middle school teacher, and our behavior Consequences sheets are on carbon cop our behavior and fractions fall into three categories. Recessed attentions, minor infractions, and major infractions. Major infractions are done completely on the computer, but our recessed attention forms and minor infraction forms are on carbon copy paper handouts for recessed detentions and minor infractions. The original copy is for the students to bring home and have the parents signed. The first carbon copy goes to the teacher who writes the infraction ticket to keep their records, and the second carbon copy goes to the disciplinary and at school still using them in two and I don't see them going away since. Also I remember when I realized the CC on email stood for carbon copy mind blown, mind blown emoji. Thanks for the incredible work you do, Lanni from Louisiana. I thought this email was either a very interesting coincidence or somehow indicative of something in the zeitgeist. That two major remaining uses for carbon paper that have been mentioned by listeners have to do with punishment, speeding tickets and disciplinary records. Also interesting that in the school the offender gets the original copy, or at least their parents do, and in the speeding ticket the offender gets the worst least least fidelity uh fight. What's the adjective version of fidelity? The least uh? The least good copy. Have you Have you ever gotten carbon paper from a school or is that another thing here? I'm trying to remember the last time I received a carbon A lot of times, you know, you get carbon copy on stuff and it's, um, it's not important. It's something that's it's almost instantly thrown away. UM. So I'm not sure if they're still using it in terms of like place places I've been going in, like the local school. I don't know. All right, you're ready to move on to some responses to Cauldron's. Oh yeah, Cauldron's it's the it's the flavor of the month. Let's do it, okay. Uh, we got a cool message from Michaela. I'm gonna summarize and paraphrase a few parts of it. So Michaela begins by saying some nice things about the show and by recommending we check out an email newsletter called Dracula Daily, which is an interesting concept. Basically from what I can tell, it's that since Dracula is an epistolary novel, meaning you know, it's made up of fictional letters, diary entrees, newspaper articles, and so forth. But I'll have a date attached to them. You can actually serve up the novel along its own timeline, So subscribers to Dracula Daily apparently receive the individual parts of the novel on the dates of the year that those parts are written or published within the fictional timeline. I like that idea. Yeah, yeah, that's an interesting idea. But finally, MICHAELA had something to add about our discussion of stone soup. So to briefly refresh on the concept of the sound stoop sound stoop stone soup tail. Uh. You know, the story is that like someone in the story, maybe a soldier or a traveler or a beggar or somebody crafty, comes into a town and they have no food of their own, but they bring a pot and they put some water in it, and they put a stone in the pot and they start to boil it. And then locals come around asking, hey, what are you doing there? And they say, well, I'm making some stone soup. It's it's gonna be delicious, but you know, I need a little bit of garnish, right, there's one ingredient I don't have. And uh, they say, would you happen to have an onion? That would really make the stone soup perfect? And then I'll share it with you, and the person says, well, sure, I'll contribute one onion, and by that same strategy they can get in some carrots and some garlic and some herbs and some seasoning, some salt and pepper, and some meats and stuff, with each person thinking well, I'm just contributing a little tiny bit, and then I get some of this delicious soup, and by the end you have an actual soup that's full of nutrition and flavor that was built with no starting ingredients. So I think the story is mostly supposed to be a parable about resourcefulness and sharing and communal activities and stuff. But uh Michaela contributes a sort of literal interpretation of the story. She says, I don't remember where I heard this, but there was a version of the story where the stone itself actually added flavor to the stone soup. The story was that it was still a ruse, but the stone carried some flavors from previous soups it had been in. Perhaps the stones used back then also contributed to the flavor of the soups they were used in, not just if they had been used in a soup before, but from minerals that would leach out, adding to the overall nutrition via small doses of iron, calcium, or salt and the like. I don't know how scientifically viable this is at all, but it makes some sense in my head. Well, MICHAELA, I looked this up, and sure enough, I found several accounts of people actually claiming to have used or two have known people who use stones in soup for different reasons such as supposedly adding flavor or nutrition. And again, like you, I can't vouch for this actually working to add much flavor nutrition, but that was the reasoning, and it seems like this was a practice in some Depression era American cooking, like with the idea that if you had a stone that was used in a pot that cooked previous soup, you put that stone in the next soup pot. It's like a way of adding extra flavor. It just you know, but brings it from the last spot. But MICHAELA also had some comments on our discussion of the earliest cooking pots, of those Joeman ceramic cooking pots having round bottoms rather than flat one. So some of the earliest ceramic cooking vessels were actually things that wouldn't stand up on their own. They either probably had to be suspended over a fire or or held in some kind of holding frame or something. So MICHAELA says, spherical earthen pots could have a few advantages off the top of my head, being that a sphere has the greatest volume to surface area ratio, It could proportionally hold more than a cylindrical pot, and it would retain heat for longer. I can also imagine if you're putting stones in it to heat it up, having a spherical shape would mean the rocks would fall to the same central point, less fishing around for them. That that last idea, That that's interesting anyway, Kala says, feel free to read this on listener mail, edit out whatever to make it fit. I would be delighted and to make my like decade. I would love to see you guys if you come to the Twin Cities. Well, if we ever, if we're ever on tour, we will certainly announce it ahead of time. So yeah, if if we make it up that way, you can be there. You can't help a thing back of the stone soup thing though, and think, well, you can also have certainly some magical thinking related the to the idea that this stone was once in a really good soup. If this stone were to be in your soup, then surely years would be as delicious. Uh. In the same way that you know, we've talked about this on the show before, like ideas of say, um, you know, treating a weapon to to cure the wound, sort of a situation exactly. Uh. And it also makes me think it could be a sort of magical version of the idea of the infinite broth. I'm sure you've heard of. You know, there are places that will just keep the same pot of souper stew or broth bubbling for maybe years at a time, and you'd be constantly taking parts of it out to eat, but also adding to the same pot. And uh and like they're I think there are restaurants that do this. I can't remember where I've read about this happening. I think I think this might be a sort of Eastern phenomenon. But you just keep the same pot going and uh. And I think the idea is it just continually develops more and more complex flavor over the years. Well, this reminds me though some of the like the Irish and or Welsh smiths we were looking at and talking about the cauldron as as a source of infinite goodness. Perhaps that has some connections to this as well. All right, let's go to another one here. This one comes to us from Matt good Day. Fellas really enjoyed the series and cauldrons. It was great to hear so many insights about a significance of such objects to Gaelic and Britonic cultures, as well as many others mentioned. Discussions of cauldron esque ups and the communal nature of cauldron's reminded me of the Gaelic and Gaelic warning um um. They pronounced this wrong. Uh koatch, also commonly known as quake, which I think is a Scots version of the older Gaelic name a quat katch, is a sort of ceremonial drinking vessel used for special occasions. I've always pronounced it like quake, but I'm a full blooded Canadian, so I leave it to our Scottish and Irish cousins to clarify. So quake, uh kowatch, quatch quake Um. I'm not not sure where to land on this one, but not quatto, not quato. Anyway, my friends and I have employed the We'll go with quake, since this is in his voice to imbibe in a wee drum during Robert Burns night suppers before COVID. Anyway, I believe they are also used as part of wedding ceremonies. Despite getting kilted up for my own betrothal, though my wife and I did not share a drink from a quake at our own ceremony, However, I have heard of others doing so. I thought it was an interesting example, if not just an extension of the discussion around the role of cauldron like vessels in community relationships, feasting, etcetera. I imagine the quake was an object for every day use back in the day, but additionally would take on a ceremonial role during events or cultural formalities uh such as when to clan chieftains meet or when welcoming a stranger seeking shelter. I don't have much direct knowledge myself. It just seems logical given the nature of older clan based societies where hospitality played such a critical role in community relations those of the Gaelic world, just being one of many examples. That's it. Just thought you might find it an interesting example. Matt, that is interesting. I don't think I knew about this, uh, this type of artifact though. Of course even in our our episodes we talked about sometimes the gray line between a bowl and a drinking vessel. Uh. Yeah, so there's there's a certain amount of overlap. I think, yeah, what is a grail? You know, you watch Monty Python. It's a drinking cup, right, But but isn't a grail originally? I mean something like cauldron or maybe in some context it does, all right. This next message is in response to a previous Listener mail where somebody wrote in about a traditional Mongolian dish and some interesting methods of animal butchery and cookery. So this is from m M. Says Hi, Robert and Joe. A couple of weeks ago, somebody wrote about a traditional Mongolian dish where a goat's skull and hide is used as a sealed vessel for cooking other ingredients, and you asked about other cuisine traditions that did something similar. Here in Colombia, we use that method to cook the traditional lechona Spanish for suckling pig. Although the modern version uses a full grown animal instead of a small one. It evolved from an older Spanish tradition that was basically an oven cooked spatch cocked piglet. To make lacona, the pigs meat, bones, and organs are removed, while keeping the skin of the back and torso with the head intact. The meat is cut in small pieces and stuffed back into the skin, mixed with spices, onions, green peas, sometimes rice because it's cheap but sacrilegious according to the traditional recipe, and then you stitch the skin to seal everything inside, bathe it in orange juice, and cook the whole thing in a brick oven until the inside is done and has infused with the drippings from the skin's fat, and the outer layer is thin and crispy, similar to the skin in peking duck. A single achona can feed a small army or an average Colombian family gathering winky face emoji, with each person getting a generous scoop of the stuffing along with a square of the thin, crispy skin. It's very, very good, despite some people finding the side of a pig's head a bit grotesque in medieval but let's not forget that you guys over there didn't just put the herbs and spices inside. The thanks Giving turkey. You used to put pretty much all of the things that are now served as side dishes inside the bird, so they would cook with it and mix with its own flavor. Today's practice of cooking the turkey on its own and the stuffings on the side came with the popularization of stovetop cooking and the appearance of some sanitary concerns in the seventies. Keep up the good work, Love the show m in Columbia. That's that's good. That reminds me of something in Martin Wallon's book on Squid. I talked to him on a recent episode of the show. Uh talks a little bit about ancient use of culinary use of of squid and how you would have it stuffed with, say sheep's brains, at least according to one ancient recipe, but that later on its discussed that the squid body is essentially the perfect the perfect thing to stuff anything into, Like it's just the perfect body cavity to make and it's like nature's ravioli. I guess so Nature's dumpling, or you can think that the ocean's sausage casing in it's a tube like a like a sheep intestine or whatever. Yeah, but I'm I'm all for yes, keep the pigs head on it. Maybe, yes, it could be a big growth, tesque and a bit medieval, but you know, people need to know where their their porks coming from. Look a look, your your your your feast in the face. All right. This one comes to us from Ben Ben Rights in Hello, stuff to blow your mind people's. I was so stoked to hear your last email bag episode. I started typing this message before the episode was over. I've been following the progress of this game, Teenage Muting Turtles Shredders Revenge, uh, uh and um for over a year, and I'm well impressed. Uh. And from here, he goes into a number of details about his excitement for the game, his experience with the game. Uh. Suffice to say he was very excited and very impressed. But then he also mentioned Robert and Seth spoke of the other teenage Meeting Ninja Turtle properties in the episode, and I would like to throw in another couple. The Last Ronan is a comic from I d W Publishing that is being released as a trade paperback next month and looks amazing. Also check out the most recent Teenage Muting Ninja Turtles cartoon Rise of the Teenage Muting Ninja Turtles available via Nickelodeon and Paramount Plus. Both are different takes on the franchise on very opposite points of the spectrum. Thank you for all the great content you make. I'm glad I have stb y m as quote friends in my ears. Keep up the great work, Cowabunga Dues Benjamin ps, I'm a Raphael. What does that mean? If you're a Raphael? Does that mean you're like moody and angry? Well, this is one thing. Seth and I discussed that if you have to select a turtle to be in one of these games. Uh, there's the discussion that does this say something about me? Uh? So Seth and I are both Donna Donna Tello's I don't know if you have a gut answer to which turtle you are, which one you would select. I think I was also a Donna Tello, But I don't know if that's psychologically revealing. I think it was just because I regarded their weapons and thought that his bow staff had the longest reach, which was true in that really hard side scrolling in the S game. Ah. Well, it helps to in this game as well. He does have very long reach with it. My son, by the way, is Rafael. So there you go. The other thing. I did look up this this. Yeah, I mean Rafael in their teenage years, you gotta watch out. Yeah, well Rafa Rafael has got some some good news in that game. Uh. This is the last Ronan. I did look up, and it does look kind of interesting it. I think it's like a futuristic situation where there's only one Turtle left, uh kind of deal, and he's having to fight the powers, the d and so forth. That's interesting. So I wonder what Benjamin means here about saying the Last Ronan and and Rise of the Turtles or opposites. I assume he means like one is very dark and one is more light and fun. Yeah, I think one is still for the kids and one is for the more of the you know, the not necessarily grown up audience. But you know that the edge or comic book content I'm imagining, which I think that has roots back to some of the original uh comic book stuff regarding the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles. Are you ready? Could could you? Or maybe you and Seth take a stab at a couple of random Turtles questions that popped into my head. They're both about fashion in the Tin Tinja Turtles. Okay, so the first one is, are Bebop and rock Steady supposed to code as punks? Like Bebop's got the mohawk and the nose ring and the fashion glasses. Is he supposed to be a punk or is that just like as just random uh stuff to to make him look cool? And if he is supposed to be a punk, or if they're both supposed to be punks, are they like, are they into the music or did they be? Were they transformed into punks after being exposed to the ooze? Could they have become surfers or goths? What's the what's the origin on this? Here? Well, Seth what and I have to chime in? But my recollection on this is that they were human beings already belonged to these subcultures and then they got used and transformed. But maybe I'm wrong on that. Maybe they were an actual rhino and an actual pig of some sort. Oh, Okay, I think I'm going more with like the Ninja Turtles movie too, where you just start with regular animals and then they're transformed into human forms, but if they started as humans, that would make way more sense. Okay, here's what I know. Okay, hello everyone, it's out here. Um So, if you watch the animated series. Now I know all of the series, whether it's the comics, the movies, the animated series, et cetera, they each have slightly different timelines. But picture those street punks from Jason Takes Manhattan, Okay, the ones where it's like, gosh, isn't New York or dirty filthy city? All these kids, we don't understand where they're coming from. They're wearing crazy fashions. What's with this? If you see pictures of bebop and rock study before they mutate, that's exactly what they look like. Those like filthy you know, nineteen seventies, nineteen eighties street kids in New York. That that that that was our five very Warriors, esk. You know they are there are punk slash heavy metal criminals, as would appear in a movie made by people who don't really understand these music genres exactly that they there are mainstream cultures bastardizations of these subcultures, and so therefore, yes they are punk. Yes they are heavy metal, but only in the regard that like a forty year old man who is writing a children's cartoon show under sticking these concepts very good. I've got a second question. Are you ready? I'm ready? Okay. Also about fashion in Ninja Turtles, can anyone explain why the reporter April O'Neil has classically been depicted wearing an all yellow jumpsuit? Is that just random or is this an outfit associated with TV journalism in some context that I don't know that I'm not aware of. I have my interpretation. How about how about you, Robert? Do you do have a word on this? I never really thought about it, but uh, I mean a good jumpsuit, A jumpsuit is a good look, so I never right yellow. I mean you could like super visible. I guess like you're not. Here's Here's always been my interpretation. I bet there's a real reason somewhere deep and like you know, the the red conning of the Ninja Turtle world, I always figured it was to let us know as the audience that this is an action oriented woman, that she is going to get out there and she's going to run around, She's gonna do some stuff and then in addition to that, this part is probably the childhood speculation. The only yellow clothes that I would see as a kid would be like a yellow like rain suit. So I was assumed that she was like basically environment ready. She could run down into the sewers. She could be out on a dirty street and she could you know, just you know, just just just just stay dry, mobile, you know, well protected and in this in this jumpsuite. I know what you mean. Actually, when I was a kid, I think the closest way I had to make sense of that was that it looks kind of like a radiation suit. M hmm. It does give her like a sense of official belonging, like she's you until it is almost like a uniform, like I am supposed to be here, I am here on official business, I am a reporter. Well, I think we should bring that back the TVs TV journalists on the scene now, full body, yellow jumpsuit. Okay, thanks for your input, seth Rob. Do you want to tackle one more message here? How about how about doing this one about weird hout cinema? All right, this one comes to us from James. James says, hello again, gents, So I don't remember what James said last time, but now he's saying stuff again. Um. I was excited to see returned to the expansive collection of classic horror flis referenced by The Misfits on your recent episode of Weird House Cinema covering a Fiend without a Face. Well that' saw that James was someone who wrote in about the Misfits. James continues, I immediately felt a sense of obligation to seek out a used VHS copy on eBay and re listen to the podcast after viewing it. Apologies for my late email about this topic. Shipping took a while. Overall, I thoroughly enjoyed both the movie and You're Hilarious in depth analysis of the film, those sound effects were truly something else, and I still ponder the folly work used to produce the walking through the kicks cereal while slurping noodle soup monster sounds. While the first two thirds of the film did have me asking when are they going to get to the fireworks factory, the climactic scenes at the end made the whole experience well worth it. The obviously dated, yet surprisingly good and gory stop motion animation Battles left me yearning for a video game adaptation of this schlocky old Jim Oh, that would be great. Yes, yeah, I can, as long as you focused on again, the last thirteen minutes of the film, don't. I guess you could do a role playing sort of a thing with the rest of the movie. I guess you could, or I feel like it would be a great opportunity for one of those side scroller movie adaptation video games that's full of things that are not in the movie at all. Like, so you play a guy jumping on platforms with the pistol and there's brains flying at you. But then there's like, I don't know, you know, clowns popping up out of trash cans to bite you or something. That's how all those those movie games were. They had stuff that was never in the movie. Well, we know what the power up would be in the game, that's for sure. Oh, Ben's a drain, right, Yeah, you have to keep popping those bensa drains in order to keep up with the brain monsters. Yeah, all right, Well, James continues Random Tangent. In a previous episode, one of you mentioned a friends band doing a bluegrass cover of the Misfits Astro Zombies, and this song has coincidentally been a staple in my own solo acoustic open mic set for years. Smiley Face, I'll start working on Fiend without a Face next. Perhaps I'll try to send a recording someday. As always, I am really enjoying your pod and appreciate the diversity of topics and themes you cover. After the Ninja Turtles chat with Seth, I'll have to seek out that new beat him up game soon too, cheers James, Thank you, James. All right, Well, we're gonna go ahead close up the mail bag there, but we'd love to hear from everyone out there. Uh So, right in you can find our listener mail episodes on Mondays and the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast feed Uh yeah, so right in past episodes, current episodes, future episodes. Anything's fair game Huge thanks as always to our excellent audio producer Seth Nicholas Johnson. Uh. If you would like to get in touch with us with feedback on this episode or any other, to suggest a topic for the future, or just to say hello, you can email us at contact at stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. Stuff to Blow Your Mind is a production of I heart Radio. 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