From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of I Heart Radio Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt Noel is on an adventure today, but we'll be returning soon. They call me Ben. We are joined as always with our super producer Paul Mission Control decads. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. As as you know, we record these episodes in advance. They publish anywhere from what would you say, Matt, a week to maybe two weeks later. Yeah, I would say maximum two weeks. We can't really give a far ahead. Yeah, that's that's the most we've ever had it together. Actually, that's literally the most, and I think that was one time. UM. Today's episode is a classic episode. I would call it something that we've known about for years, but we've somehow never done a podcast on. But we are like the rest of the world. We are living in a time UM where history is being written. We are recording this on June one. We are based, as we say all the time, in Atlanta, Georgia, and as we record this, the nation is is a wash in protest against ongoing police brutality. Yes it is. And our city is um certainly seeing a lot of the protests, and it's all in reaction to the killing of a man named George Floyd. And we're going to talk about that at a later date, but today we'd like to just have maybe a moment of reflection within this podcast and then we'll start the show. Okay, So switching gears here, we got another voice message, and I say another because this person calls in all the time. His name is Wayne. Wayne. You know who you are. You've seen the the title of this episode, so I'm sure you are quite excited as our Ben and I and Paul Um. Today we are covering something that we've talked about before, as been mentioned at the top here. But it's something near and dear to your heart, Wing and uh, it's something that I have cited several times as my favorite conspiracy I believe, Ben, and today we are asking the question what is Project Blue Beam? So here are the facts. Let's start this one a bit differently that I was thinking about this, Um, the best way to start it it's odd to get into. We're going to start with the actual conspiracy theory at hands when we ask what is Project Blue Beam? I'd like to give you the origin story first. Most people know about Project Blue Beam because back in nine a kaba Qua author named surge Man asked, went, uh, you know, achieved to some notoriety uh and some public attention in fringe circles with claims that NASA. Uh. Yes, that NASA either plans to nor all he has begun implementing a new Age religion with the Antichrist or some version thereof as its leader, in hopes of starting a new world order through the use of high end communications technology. Yes. And and it's not just NASA, by the way, the North American Space Agency, it's also the United Nations. So everybody was going to get involved with this whole thing, at least according to this conspiracy and and the basic idea, uh is is pretty much the the scenario that played out in in Watchman. If you've if you've ever read the comic or watched the movie that came out back in the day, or the scenario that was alluded to very much so in the new HBO series of the Watchman. Where Oh, that's that's my son. Where where The only thing the it could really bring all of humanity together is some kind of outside invading force of a power more powerful than the biggest nuclear weapon uh that's ever existed, right, some kind of large scale global event that threatened all of humanity, so we would all band together. And there's an interesting point in chronology I wanna I want to propose here. First, let me step back and say, you're right, math, that's a good point. It wasn't just the United Nations. It's not just NASA, It's also the Freemasons. It's also you know, what's vaguely referred to as the Illuminati at times, um multiple uh mad libs of organizations come into play or under accusation here. But Watchman the comic was created by a fantastic writer, notoriously cantankerous human being named Alan Moore. It first appeared in nineteen five, So keep that time in your mind, keep it at the front of your head. So will give you a spoiler alert because of the age of Watchmen, we're gonna count this downs spoilers. Uh, you know, turn back now, or have Watchman spoiled for you? Three to one spoilers and Watchman, one of the characters attempts to create this global unification you mentioned Matt by genetically engineering a gigantic squid like thing that also has psychic powers, and it creates a tremendous tragedy, millions of people die. It's uh, it's it's very bad. In short, in Project Blue Beam again, according to Surge, man asked, all all the world's governments conspire to create the Messiah that they wish to see in the world, and to create it not as a It's difficult to say what man Us conclusively believed towards the end, but at times he had described it as simply a means of secular control by um taking advantage of people's credulous nature, but then in other other times is very explicitly saying this is actual supernatural stuff. We'll get into the specifics a bit, but for the timeline, it's interesting because in a lot of conspiratorial claims we see that their achilles heel can be timeline right, like the end of the world, Millennaryan cults and so on. They always seem to have some challenges when they say the end of the world will be in eighteen fifty eight. Wait, scratch that, I misread the you know, holy tiles, it'll be nine seventeen, but definitely nineteen seventeen. Manasta has Um explained that by saying that the world's government's true masters, you know, insert now and here whoever you think it might be. Um. I wanted to do this in Night three, two years before Watchman publishes, but they weren't able to do it for one reason or another called technical difficulties. And then later in his comments he said it would happened in and he said, what happened in nineteen ninety six. That's the same year that a a widely mistranslated Nostro Damis quote also was said to foretell the end of the world. Around the time of his death in ninety six, manasked claimed that Project Blue Beam would occur in two thousand. It's now um a horrible year. But as far as we know, the mainstream of the world has not said Manaske was right, has not said Project Blue Beam has occurred. But we'll see that out everybody on the fringes degrees and again we are going to get into the specifics of what Serge manast believed was going to happen or was supposed to happen, and all of those times, uh, you know where the date kind of kept getting pushed back and pushed back. But let's jump backwards to nineteen forty five, to the year that Sergemnast was born. Um, that's just that's just the time he was born. We're not actually going to spend a lot of hanging around in nine. We we kind of remember World War Two and it ending and everything. Uh. And then moving on up to the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties, serge or mr Monast, he was a journalist. I mean, he was pretty legit. He was at times pretty controversial, but he was a member of the Social Credit Party back in those times. Again we said he was from Quebec, Canada. That's where he spent a lot of his life. Uh. And then in the nineteen nine ease, he started shifting his focus away from you know, journalism with a capital J and started writing books and books about his beliefs, book books about conspiracies. Essentially, the New World Order was one of the main topics that he focused on, and he talks about his inspirations being one person specifically William guy Car. That's C. A. R. R. Who was also a Canadian, right, William James guy Car. He's uh former Navy officer, author, not a conspiracy theorist. Uh he is. He's kind of a lynchpin in the folklore of North American based illuminati thought. And uh he is also I I should note he is also definitely an anti semi. I would not consider or him necessarily. I'm very I'm saying this very carefully. I would not consider him necessarily a rational source. But that is someone that thematically we see man ask straw and a lot of um, a lot of tropes from so Manaske founded the International Free Press Agency and that's that would come to be where he published the bulk of his work in this field. He had an interview on the on a television show hosted by ufologist Richard Glenn. It may be familiar to some people. I wanted to apologize in advance for my butchering of the fine French language. Here. Uh as terries experimental um esoteric experiments in there. He is quite emphatic warning people about the rise of a one world government. And in nineteen he publishes what is largely considered to be his you know, his magmopus. It's called Le protocol uh m hmm. This is me trying to do French again, uh, the Protocols of Toronto UH six six six. And inside this work he reveals that the Masons, there's this very specific group of them called six six six, and these people, for twenty years have been getting together with all the movers and shakers of the world, the most powerful people, to establish essentially the Illuminati or you know, in this case, it's referred to as the New World Order, and it's their their entire goal is to control the minds of humanity of all the people, mass mind control essentially. And for someone who truly believes this that you know, there's some group out there that's secretly trying to put everyone under some kind of spell or mind control, you can imagine that there's there's a feeling of, you know, of fear that maybe these people know that you know, and you're talking about it publicly, so you know, whether it was true or not. Manas believed, and he claimed that he was being hunted by police by other authorities for distributing this kind of stuff what he called UH for his involvement in quote, networks of prohibited information, right, the stuff they don't want you to know. Um, you can imagine that he probably felt that, whether it's true or not. Yeah, And that is a quote from him, networks of prohibited information. That's something else. That that's something else you should keep in the front of your mind as as we continue here. Think of this part as the you know, the roller coaster slowly up the hill. So he home schooled his children, his son and his daughter uh and then eventually, in September of the year of his death, they were removed from his care and made wards of the state, the idea being that they had a right to receive education. Man asked himself was arrested just a few months later, December of and he spent the night incarcerated. He was released, he returned to his home, and he passed away. The official cause is listed as a heart attack, and today that official conclusion remains that the death of Surgemonast came as a result of a combination of poor health and stress. But his supporters will argue that he was assassinated through the use of high tech intelligence agency or you know, world order connected weapons, and that his death was either framed as a heart attack, or that the heart attack itself was caused by some sort of suppressed technology, all with the ultimate end of silencing his voice and preventing him from disseminating um all or or part of the truth of this grand scheme. I would say, there's a tough thing to deal with right here, and it's the concept that there could be a strategy. Let's say, if you're an organized group of people, whether an intelligence agency or not, and you wanted to discredit somebody, one way to do that is to attack the home structure. UM. That would be a smart play at least UM. And another thing to do is to make it look like someone dies of natural causes if you want to remove them. So, as we're saying, the rumors float around on the internet about all kinds of things with regards to Mr Mnass's home life and his death, and really, I mean, that's that's a ton of background right there. But what we want to do now is take a deep dive into that which is Project Blue Beam. What was it, how did it work, how is it supposed to work? And why do some people think it's already happened or is about to happen, and we'll talk about that right after a word from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. So there's a plan, right, there's always a plan. Let's walk through what surge Man asked outlines. He breaks it down into a series of phases or steps, and interestingly enough, you know, I think we've spent a lot of time thinking about timeline here. Interestingly enough, uh, these steps are not necessarily delineated with uh, you know, concrete phases of time, like step one is not necessarily three years, ten years, two months, or anything like that. So the first is to uh discredit and or demolish the majority of what we would consider religious based archaeological knowledge. This would be accomplished again, this is this one person's argument. This would be accomplished by faking, manufacturing, or faking earthquakes at targeted points around the world. And then those earthquakes would destroy some things, but they would more importantly appear to reveal things faked discoveries at these locations. And that's monastery phrase there. He says, they would be fake, fake discoveries at these locations that would fundamentally disprove existing religious doctrine. We've heard about this stuff before you know, um about maybe the early days of the Catholic Church, various documents or records being found that we're considered heretical to the orthodoxy that was agreed upon at Nice or at the Council of Verms. Uh. So we know that we know that, especially older religions, find things that don't jibe with what they want the truth to be all the time. Uh, this is surgery. Manask is just saying here, this would be weaponized. Yeah, And there's a lot of imagery that's been associated with this concept that Manass puts forward in Project Blue Beam. You know, everything from kind of been what what you're describing, like finding numerous dead sea scrolls in various parts of the world that disprove the existing doctrines of Islam and and Christianity and Catholicism and all these things. There's another version of it that's a little more sci fi. That's like a two thousand one Space Odyssey thing, where you know, a cube of some sort or a rectangle or a pylon or something is discovered that appears to you know, uh state somehow represent true this. They go back beyond the established religious doctrines um it's just just really interesting there, and and it no matter what version of it you choose to go with for this, for this, for this instance, let's go with just the numerous Dead Sea scrolls version. The goal here, at least in man ask view, is to discredit all of the existing religions so that we can create a new one, right, and this would be a way to do that. You'd want to get rid of the old before bringing in the new, or at least get people to doubt just enough in their current belief system so that they'd be ready or more easily swayed to pick up a new one. Yeah, you know, I propose that as we go through this we talk about some of the arguments for and against this plan, just trying to be fair. So first, not to be uh, you know, uh negative Nathan about this or whatever. But first, innumerable examples throughout the span of human history show that people are a not easily swayed in matters of faith. Changing your faith is such a big deal, in fact, that many religious figures are primarily famous for making that switch. Uh. Second, we know that people, even with relatively mundane opinions, people tend to dig in and double down when they're presented with something that feels like an attack or a contradiction of something we already believe. It could be anything from like which store has the best uh chief steak in Philadelphia? To which is the one true God? Like people do not like changing our minds, were why ed not to do that? And second, even if you could get some people to change their opinion or their belief about something so very profound and personal, it would be virtually impossible to make every single member of any large religious movement abandoned their faith. That is something that has literally never happened in the history of the world. You know what's something that has happened. Humans have caused earthquakes. You know, Nikola Teslo tried it. He wanted it to be real. Whether or not he was fully successful, we'll never know. But uh, we do know that man made earthquakes do happen, So you know that part of the theory here could stand up. The problem is the only at least you know, in acknowledged or proven versions of man made earthquakes, we've only really seen it kind of happened as an accident or as a as a side effect of something else. Right, Yeah, like the most easily proven cases of manufactured earthquakes in the past um, I would say past several years at least, have all been the unforeseen consequences of fracking. Right. Uh, you know that if you want, if you wanted to target a specific earthquake, officially the technology to do that doesn't exist. But suppress technology is a whole other, a whole other badger in the bag here. Well, and the other thing is you'd have to have an earthquake occur that's so targeted to then have something open, you know, be revealed let's say, whatever it's going to be, and then it has to be discovered too, So you'd have to do it in you know, a somewhat populated area, um to reveal listening. There's just a there are a lot of issues with that concept of an earthquake then disproved religion with with some artifact. Yeah, it's not the most straightforward plan, I'll admit, uh, but uh, but you're right. So that is one big takeaway. Human beings are proven to be capable of creating earthquakes, just maybe not to this degree of sophistication. But second, uh, and I'll defer to you here, Matt because I think this is maybe your favorite part. Favorites is a weird term, but this is the part where um, almost ten years ago, now, uh, you and I spent a couple of hours just like just shooting the breeze about this one the first time I learned about it. And that is what has been called um by manass supporters as well as his critics. Step two or phase two of Project Blue Beam the space show. Yeah, this is this is the real show. This is the big deal. This is the the turning point in the plot. This is the thing that makes everybody go oh no. Um. The concept here is that holographic technology, some kind of holograms, three dimensional images would be projected across the planet, not just in one you know, UM City Center, not just in New York or you know Dubai. It would be everywhere and these images would represent whatever the let's say, the primary religious figure is in a region. That's why UH shape this this UH projection, this hologram would take and they would there would be audio associated with it. So from somewhere either projected from a satellite, that's generally where a man asked believed it would come from UH space based satellites with laser technology that's shining down essentially onto cloud cover or just into the moisture in the air, where the audio coming through would be speaking in every language depending on the region, depending on the dialect. It would be an all encompassing thing, and they would essentially say, uh, you know, the same kind of things that were being set up in Phase one, which is the old way of thinking, is done. And then all of these various you know, profits God's uh sons of God's whatever it is that's being worshiped in that region, it would merge down into one being, essentially one God, and this image that would be created then across the world, the same image would be the Antichrist, essentially the one symbol that would herald in the new world orders plans. That's correct, and it's importing to note that the Antichrist here the term is what Surge is using. Surgeman asks, but the Antichrist that will appear to these people in this theory is not an antagonistic force. It's a force of um illumination and salvation. And this is interesting. So let's go back through pros and cons right um So, con there's a big assumption here. We have to remember that this this is being proposed, This has been sort of like ideated and then proposed in the nineties, but now in uh secularism is on the rise. Also, Uh, you know what, what would this thing alone, this this physical light show alone be enough to persuade someone that this is actually their God instead of some sort of um mental issue of their own, some sort of even whether or nominally or hallucination. Uh. There are other things like what about religious figures that cannot have uh their form expressed, you know what I mean? Like one of the great one of the great examples of that is if Project Blue Beam was attempting to uh sway Muslim communities, you know what, are you going to project the face of Allah? Like do you think that's gonna work? Because that's pretty explicitly not something that any holy force would do in that belief system. But you will also see people I think we should stop here, Matt, we should say you will also see people uh claiming that there have been various tests or um demonstrations of this technology already, like anything that involves light or a lot of stuff that you just see in the sky that appears anomalous or even real world events. Oh sure, yeah, you'll find things online that state that the attacks of September eleventh, two one were either a the project blue beam in action or a test run of projection technology. And while you know, we don't necessarily believe this, the concept here is that September limit two thousand one was one of those events that really did change the course of history and change and you know the way the United States and other countries viewed a lot of other countries, and it just, um, it had a large effect. And you will see online people saying that the planes going into the two towers were actually projections. You can find that all over the internet. Um, you know, there are there are several other examples, but that's the one that I've probably seen most commonly. Um. There are others that state that known missile tests that have been seen that were originally reported on as UFO sightings. You may remember the spiral, I forget the exact name of it, but like the portal, uh, that happened to be a couple of stages of a rocket and the way it looked in the air that was reportedly some kind of blue beam test um at least again according to online forums and and several researchers. UM, I have personally not seen anything that I would consider a full scale project being test. But again, the whole point of it, if it were real, is that we probably couldn't discern whether or not it was a hologram, right, right, And this leads to this leads to the rise of deep fakes as well, because the interesting thing about localized events that are then shared online, either in video or still photography, is that people aren't seeing it in person. You're seeing a visual clip that purports to portray something in an accurate manner. Uh, and you know, you just can't trust it. I wish I had a better answer, you can't trust it, so uh. If anything, people are becoming a little bit more skeptical about this stuff. So it's it's kind of an argument against this. But yeah, you're you're absolutely right the idea that this is all kind of a test run. Uh. But man asked to his credit, I would say says that there is a way that people will be reliably influenced by this appearance. It won't just be like the Stone Mountain laser show, which is so famous here in Atlanta, Georgia, and there are. You know, there are other examples aside from UFOs. They're they're like specific, concrete, pretty secular examples. I know, you know one, Matt, and I've got one that actually is true. But it was drawing board phase. Well, yeah, it wasn't there a plan? And then you'll have to forgive me, I'm pulling this from when we did our video way back in the day. But wasn't there a plan to possibly project Allah or the prophet Mohammed over Baghdad for military purposes? Yes, yep, that's correct. It was drawing board phase. Uh. But there was another plan as well, from Uncle Sam. I maybe it was Lansdale said, hey, you guys, what if we fake the second Coming of Jesus Christ over Cuba two? And they're like, why will we do that? And it's like, well, you know, to overthrow Castro right. Uh. You could tell that probably came pretty late in their brainstorming session that day. They had gone through the heart attack gun, which will be important later. They had gone through the exploding cigars, weaponizing animals. But but you know, we're talking eighties, nineties of seventies in some cases, but it's probably closer to the eighties and nineties when these things were being discussed. Everybody's on cocaine, you know what I mean, they were probably seamlessly transitioning to talking about how great their scent albums were gonna be. Yeah, but yes, but it's also you know, there were military minds thinking about this back then, and you know, as we're gonna talk a little later in this episode, the tech has only improved, right, That's correct, So there is there is an explanation, though man asked does say uh that there. Manask does seem to acknowledge that just seeing something wouldn't be enough to swing the needle of people's minds, and that's where he proposes the existence of psychotronic technology, which we've covered in the past. Psychotronic technology is essentially a Russian Soviet originated phrase UH describing UH the use of technology to amplify psychic powers, think of like menusteric goats would be a popular fictional thing. So the idea was they would use certain types of technology to give people UH esp or to give people the ability to reach into the minds of others. In manasked world, Project Blue Beam depends upon a Soviet built computer that would be fed with quote minute physio psychological particulars based on studies of anatomy and electro mechanical composition of the human body, and the studies of the electrical, chemical, and biological properties of the human brain. And then that everything, every single human being on the planet Earth would have a specific radio wavelength, that this computerized system would intimately know this biometric data of yours, and that it would use that to affect your reaction. That these computers had also Furthermore, Uh, cut their teeth, cut their mechanical algorithmic teeth on inducing suicide. Uh, it is true. We know that in our previous research certain frequencies can affect people in astonishing and deeply disturbing ways. But for the record, we still have not proven the existence of the brown note, which I know is a question a lot of our fellow listeners had as soon as we mentioned that. But okay, so there we go. That's the thing they're saying, we're gonna we're gonna show this huge thing in the sky that will merge and become your new God, and then we're gonna make sure that you are um through the use of technology. We're going to make sure that you are in a suggestible enough state that you believe it that you experience a revelation, kind of like, um, the god helmet, which gives one the sensation of encountering the divine. Uh. But it's weird because if it's NASA doing this, as it's commonly proposed in his theories, why would they work with uh? Why would they work with the Soviets? Especially when the USSR at the time, as far as we know, was pretty far behind NASA. In a lot of ways, it's like saying, hey, I'm I'm Sony or am Microsoft, and I've out of this great plan. But to do it, I need twelve attaris m M yeah, or you know, yeah, I was just gonna say, working directly with Chinese technology that's competing, Yeah, I can just imagine it. They wouldn't. It wouldn't work that way. Um, but we should we should mention here By the way, it doesn't stop there. You know. You may think, oh, wait, they're gonna use psychotronics. You say, I remember that episode. I remember that concept. Okay, that's we're just like we're spiraling down a conspiracy rabbit hole here. It feels like, well, we kind of are in a way, but it's just getting a little more complicated because there's a sub phase a step too, like two point two, let's say, and in in this concept or in this phase, the holograms are going to be used to overthrow uh the world order by here's a quote setting loose millions of programmed religious fanatics through demonic possession on a scale never witnessed before, never witnessed before. It's an interesting phrase to add in there. Yeah, I like I like that framing, you know, because it sort of anticipates people in the audience will say, well, I've seen you know, I've seen like three or four people possessed by demons. That's that's a that's a Tuesday or in Boise, Idaho or something. And you know what, all of those uh, demonic possessed religious fanatics are going to be hearing, and the rest of us will be hearing as they're running through the streets. Uh do do do do oh. We can't play the rest, but you know what that is. You've heard that before, that's in your head already. What is that that is? Beethoven's Owed to Joy, the number one most pop alert UH debut song for antichrists. As far as we know we did the research. Uh so, so you know, obviously now we've got we've got an important point that's introduced here. This has gone from the appearance of the supernatural or the divine in order to manipulate people to the existence of the supernatural. And it's a quick shift. Uh. It happens, you know, the way that a coin trick happens with a magician. Uh. You're You're supposed to be looking at a lot of sound and fury from one side and then all of a sudden, um monask hits you with boom. Demons are real, the devil is real. Uh, the you know, the infernal powers or after you and your loved ones. I see that as a plot hole because it's not introduced earlier. It's it's a twist, um. And I know there are several plot holes here. But like you said, Matt, we do have examples of UM. We do have examples of intelligence agencies attempting to mess with people's minds in similar ways in the past. Officially, those results, UM are not near on this level because you know, one of the biggest plot holes to me about this is the idea that it affects every single human being on Earth at once. That there are very few things, very few things, including pandemics, including uh, nuclear weapons, that affect every single human being on earth at once. That is true. And I would say that if you could effectively convince enough people, not all people, but enough people that this kind of event is occurring, where perhaps the rapture is happening, or perhaps the you know, the religious figure that you worship every day has come back, but that religious figure is for some reason, not what you thought it was, and therefore your religion and entire basis of belief is not what you thought it was. I can imagine that it could cause at least chaos on some level, and you know, pretty widespread chaos if you could pull that off. I see. Yes, you don't have to convince everyone. You just have to convince a significant um almost said market position, but that's how it feels. You have to just see swing a significant demographic. Well here's the thing, though, When these people see this god in the sky, they're going to hear oh to joy. But that's not all they're going to hear. They're going to hear something else. Man asked proposes We'll get to that after a word from our sponsor. We're in the thick of it, conspiracy realists. We're on the third step of Project Blue Beam, the third phase, which would be what Monast calls telepathic electronic two way communication. This would be through the use of extremely low frequency radio waves, uh, the conveyance of a message into people's minds such that this thing they're seeing in the sky appears to be directly speaking to them in their language and saying the same message, you know, and in any language in the world, all the way from the biggest ones like mandarin Um to you know, very small uh dialects of isolated tribes. As you can imagine, that doesn't really hold up when you get to those smaller dialects, some of which are dying, uh, some of which don't have any um, any speakers who can really translate other than the like three in some cases ten people who know them. So that's a plot hole, uh, and man asked explanation doesn't It doesn't really bear up to what we know about the technology now, and his even if we relegated to the realm of speculation, his explanation of how this would work still leaves a lot to be desired. Maybe that's just my opinion, Yeah, I think it does. Conceptually, the way I understand it, it's that there would be small hidden microchips in a lot of the electronics that exist in everyday life within you know, like a city situation or a suburban situation where there's a lot of tech around. The concept is that all those things are numerous, you know, numerous technologies are going to be in some way commuting communicating to you through these essentially low frequency waves. Um. You know. Maybe another thing that kind of connects back to this one is the concept that the computer is gonna know everything about you, right, That's one of his major would man asked major things is that the government is keeping track of everything you're doing, or some corporate entity or entities are keeping track of all your information that's being stored and tracked, and then it will be used to control you by talking to you in familiar or about familiar things within your life. Maybe that's pretty hard stretch, but if you're in the concept that a small handful of corporations knows a lot about your life, very specific details about your life, that's not much of a stretch at all. Yeah, I think that's an excellent point. Absolutely I mean that part is one of the things as the highest likelihood of being true. Honestly for people who live especially in um very technologically dense parts of the world, you know, or who have authoritarian governments, don't don't let the big don't let big brother be out of the game. It's not just target that's targeting you. It could have phrased that better, but you get you know, it could have you get the drift. So there we go. Now we're at step four. Step four is the penultimate or second to ultimate part step four. It's more like four A, four B four C. Manas says. The next part is to say is to have this divine thing essentially warn people that these revelations are occurring because there is an outside enemy attacking humanity and hire an alien invasion is going to occur at every major city. UH. Concurrently somehow at the same time, uh, those who still cling to Christianity UH, which he specifically mentions Christianity at this point. He says, those who still cling to Christianity are going to be made to believe that the rapture is about to occur, and then a marriage of electronic and supernatural read infernal UH forces will will occur such that these supernatural forces, demons, you know, creatures of ill intent, will be able to travel through fiber optics. Uh, travel through I don't know at this stage, like HDMI cables, WiFi routers, uh, telephone lines. Bluetooth is another one, yeah, Uh, to penetrate all the electronic equipment, all the appliances, even unto your smart refrigerator in your fitbit and that. Um. By then they will all have a special microchip installed allowing this to happen. Again if we bracket the supernatural aspects of this. We know that for a very long time, without the public's knowledge, various tech companies were attempting to build dedicated chips or um software based backdoors into their technology. That's one of the reasons why Chinese manufacturer who A is having so much is taking so much international flak, because they do have backdoors that the Chinese government can use. UM. The thing is, they're not using those to spread demonic messages. They're using those for industrial and state level espionage. Right. And you know, it's foolish if you think the US and other countries aren't pressuring their own private entities to do the same thing. That's just that's day one stuff, buddy. That's how you run the world. That's right. Um, Yeah, but I have to tell you just to jump away just slightly. We're talking about, you know, using all of the tech within our own homes against us, right, or whether wherever we are using the tech against us in some way. Just in the research of this, as I was looking back through things and trying to find examples specifically of holographic technology, I found I just stumbled upon this thing, UM, and it really freaked me out. I'm just wanna tell you about it really fast, just because I want you to imagine this as you're listening everybody. UM. There's a an article within Business Insider from UM from so roughly three years ago. It's it's about research into using somebody's WiFi signal, anybody's WiFi signal uh within a structure, and then exterior antenna somewhere on the outside of the structure, and using this antenna to pick up the WiFi signal and scan the interior of a building to where you could literally see major objects or people that are within that building. And I just want to say, when we're when I'm thinking about Mr manass's vision of all of these things, all these technologies fighting back against us. I just didn't think I would have this picture in my mind of my WiFi signal that I know is at all times sending out you know, energy in wavelength form throughout my house, through me, through you know, my family's body and everything. And it could be if you had the right equipment, it could just be read like any other signal and interpreted as it bounces off of things. Um. Sorry, I know that has really nothing to do with this. It's just I I would have never thought to use it in that way. There are people that are paid lots and lots of money to think of ways to use the signals that are being generated, you know, on a consumer level basis, in ways that were not intended for them to be used for the benefit a lot of times for military or intelligence purposes. Oh yeah, yeah, agree. You know. It's kind of like the way you can use uh laser two. You can aim a laser at a window pane, and from the vibrations of the window pane you can tell what people are talking about inside, right, you can you can generate audio essentially, you can generate audio. I mean all things are energy. It's arguably at a certain level, it's just a matter of translation of that energy from one form of expression to another, which is it sounds smart enough that I'm sure someone else said that better end earlier, but I agree with it. Uh, this is where we okay, So this is where we get to the New World order they's described new World order is a lot like saying chair or cancer or candy. You know, it's it's an umbrella term that describes a lot of things. And sometimes people agree when they throw around this in wo term until they find out the specifics of what they're talking about. So it's important to know Monaska is not just talking about a a secular one world order. Here are one world government. He's not talking about the kind of um globalist problem you might hear folks argue argue about a warrant against another conspiratorial viewpoints. He's saying that all people will be required to take an oath to Lucifer to the Devil Lucifer morning Star, and undergo a ritual initiation to become members of the New World Order. Anyone who resists will encounter the following Christian children, he says, will be kept for the purposes of human sacrifice, or they will be you, or they will be abused. Uh. Prisoners will be used in medical experiments. That's already happening. Check. Prisoners will be used as living Oregon banks. I know, Um, I probably shouldn't be as explicit about this, but that's already happening. Check. At least in some countries. Healthy workers used in slave labor. That's already happening. That's been happening. Check and said that prisoners who seem like they're on the line, who say like, well, you know, Lucifer seems cool, but I'm only like two percent on board, they'll be sent to re education centers where they will be have to repent on television and glorify the new World Order. Uh. Then there will be an international exit cution center. And then he alludes to a classification of other people. But he never got into it before um or there there hasn't been any published matter on it before that, he himself wrote, so you can see all the problems here. Well, yeah, there there are a lot of problems there. And it reads a lot like visions of revelations from the Bible or visions of an apocalypse, right, where this ritual to to worship Lucifer in this case, as he's described, it could be that whole six six sixth thing that he's already talked about with the Mason group that he's discussed, the possible that that insignia would have to be placed on the human body in some way. Um, just that complete and utter worship of this one person or deity or whatever it ends up being in this you know, in this scenario, it sounds just an awful lot like the apocalypse that's been described elsewhere. Um. But yeah, yeah, the the problems are rampant here, I think. Yeah, yeah, the problems are rampant. And one one thing that, of course you have to ask yourself about is where does this all come from? Right? Where where's the provenance of manasked ideas because they see very out there. These are extraordinary claims, and extraordinary claims typically require a higher level of a higher burden of proof. You gotta have more evidence, right, But there there's very little in the way of solid sources. In fact, uh manasked original book that he published with this in France. Uh it's very difficult to get a copy of it now, and some those actually it's it's kind of impossible. Um, you might see a couple on eBay or maybe Amazon or something uninflated price. But I would also be very very cautious. Uh, yeah, I would be. I would assume that those aren't the actual books. I would assume they might be scams or maybe something being sold under false pretenses. Anyway, it's hard to get a lot of the sources here, but we have found some interesting things about where his ideas may have come from. We don't know. If you read The Watchman, you know what I mean, and later encountered that in his own thoughts. As far as we can tell, he never explicitly said, you know, I got this idea from some cool fiction I read. But we also know that right before he gave his famous lecture on Project Blue Beam. Uh, Gene Roddenberry entered the chat in a weird way. Yeah, there was a book that was written by Joel Ingle. It's about Gene Roddenberry. It's called Gene Roddenberry, The Myth and the Man behind Star Trek. It came out in the just before man asked lecture on Project Blue Beam, which became the book. Uh, and we've had a quote from it here he goes. In May seventy five, Gene Roddenberry accepted an offer from Paramount to develop Star Trek into a feature film. That's awesome. I'm glad that that whole thing happened. This is Matt off off quote back to the quote, and moved back into his old office on the Paramount lot. His proposed story told of a flying saucer hovering above earth that was programmed to send down people who looked like profits, including Jesus Christ. Wow. So you know, we can't sit here and tell you today that Sergeman asked, like, pulled anything directly from this book or from you know, maybe he heard about this story before the book came out. We we cannot tell you that because we do not know. But it's definitely a a pretty similar thing there from one of the great sci fi writers of our time. Yeah, and they're very similar. They're really similar. Uh, they are very similar, but they're not hologram spin But they're not holograms, Matt. Yeah, you checking mate on that one. Bro Um. Now, I will say in support of that that we know hologram technologies of ant sleeps and bounds. It's just as far as we know it's not where It's not where Manass thought it was yet officially. Secondly, just from the way that this is written, the acceptance of this theory requires the acceptance of an Islamic, Judaeic, or Christian worldview. The idea that the ancient um former first of the Angels is indeed real, is super into technology, and uh has spent a lot of time making an extraordinarily complicated land with a lot of um potential fail points, you know what I mean. Uh. And also for this idea, there's I think there's an inherent you know, it's a tool that fascism uses a lot. Uh. The idea here is that the enemy must be at the same time portrayed as immensely powerful but also inherently incredibly weak. You know what I mean. This is surprisingly prevalent in manass idea of Project Blue Beam, that there is this incredibly powerful evil supernatural force, but that it has to rely but it's so weak, it has to rely on these various other things. Also the implication that there is a tremendously good supernatural force that is tremendously powerful and in most religious worldviews omnipotent, right all powerful, but that this entity itself could be laid low by technology. It's from a folkloric perspective, it is. It is fascinating. Um. But there is one thing we have to talk about before we end the show that we can't skip over, and it's it's one thing that's still still on my mind. Matt. The death of Sergeman, asked, right, he we know that officially is a heart attack after a terrible night in jail. Who's aged fifty one. You know, it's not it's never a good thing when someone gets a heart attack, but they can happen increasingly as you age. And he's in his fifties. Maybe he wasn't taking care of himself. But you remember this, going back to Castro, when we did research on this, the CIA did significant work on a prototype heart attack gun, a point and click heart attack gun. Yeah, and there's even remember a video of a prototype showing something very similar to that. There's all kinds of proposed intelligence agency weaponry that's been shown in public and way more that's never been publicly acknowledged. Um. That is for certain. That's a that's a problem for anybody who dies. Basically that talks about dangerous things because there's always the possibility then, or at least the fear that this person was killed or assassinated by a group that has whatever that technology could be. It's a really a situation where it makes the end user the thinker you in this case, it makes it gives you doubt about the official story, but it also simultaneously makes you perhaps doubt the unofficial story. It's an odd situation. It creates a lot of uncertainty, I think, and to my mind, this is that's what this entire thing does. That's what Project Blue Beam does for me personally. If aliens attack, for sure, if extraterrestrials of any form or creed, you know, attack the earth or invade the Earth tomorrow, I'm gonna think first, then it's some kind of holographic technology. Just because I'm aware of this thing. And that doesn't mean I believe that's what it is, but that's what I'm that's my first thought is gonna be oh, Seargeman asked, Project Blue Project Blue Beam right there, Um, I think this kind of thinking all it just has that effect on the individual perhaps, and it is you know, it is our duties human beings to question everything. It is your personal choice whether you wish to accept certain things on face alone. Again, that's your choice. But when it comes to I mean, I mean, you know it, I have to say I I am definitely in the former camp. I do question most things. But also, you know, I'd be very careful, uh, to avoid being smug about people who make faith based decisions, because even if you think you are tremendously skeptical, even if you think you are an atheist and blah blah blah, Uh, I guarantee you you accept so many ridiculous things on faith. You get in that car, you hop on the interstate, you're just kind of taking it as an article of faith that you're not gonna die maybe sometime, but not this time. We we all, you know, we all exercise our agency in that liminal space between what has proven and what we wish to be true. This is the last thing I'm gonna say, Ben, I think this is correct. You'll have to check me here. That monasked last before he died, his last prediction about when this whole thing would go down was in the year two thousand, the turn of the millennium. Okay, so I'm just gonna put these things together really fast. In that year, same year that he predicted it would occur, there was a report from Project for a New American Century that came out that said, much like Watchman, much like what's described in Project Blue Beam, we needed a new Pearl Harbor in order to unite the people. In a comment in you know, at this at that point within that report, the common goal was to unite against a an enemy of some sort. And of course the Project for a New American Century is aimed directly at the United States, but you can imagine it being an enemy that all humanity could fight against, ie some kind of extraterrestrial force, or you know, it's something that's similar to what's described by Monst just putting that out there because they put that in two thousand and we know what happened in two thousand one. False flags are real. That's just that's an historical fact. Really, the only thing worth debating in that world or in that you know, in that area of conversation, is which things are in fact false flags. But anyone denying the existence of those sort of things right now is being willfully ignorant. And that is not us saying that nine eleven was a false flag, that I'm just saying to exist. They exist, and I will say it to false flags are real? Okay, F Well, Um, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know what to end this on. Ben Um that you know that we're talking about hologram hologram technology, and I would just encourage everybody to go through use Duck duck go or whatever search engine. I would, you know, encourage you to use Duck dut go because they still acknowledge our YouTube channel. Um, but you know, look at some of the tech that's being developed right now, that some of it is available, some of it is just on the cusp of being available to consumers, and at the levels that it exists right now, you can totally imagine that a projected hologram into cloud cover or just the moisture in the lower atmosphere could be a real thing. And I also like to hear, like to get a gauge of the optimism the pessimism amongst our fellow listeners, because I am convinced that, uh, due to long time listeners you know this. I'm convinced that due to hardwired physiological constraints in the human brain, there's no way we're going to get billions of people to cooperate on anything that I just I I like, what would what would be something that would unite everybody? Because I'll tell you this is gonna make me sound like a jerk. Map but I'll tell you if there were an actual alien invasion, everyone knew it was coming. Everyone knew that genocide was on the menu for every forget Homo sapiens, for every primate on the planet. I guarantee you right now it is my opinion that there would be millions of people who would be on board with the aliens. And then you know, they would say, look, no, it's better. They've got some great points. Uh you know, I think really we should roll out the red carpet. I just I don't know, man, I'm feeling it very pessimistic nowadays. Um, but we want to hear what you think, of course, and we want to say, like, you know, maybe we've been treating this. We don't mean to treat it dismissively. It's just that there are a lot of there are a lot of fail points for that plan, by which I mean things that could go wrong, And there are a lot of explanations that manass never really provided and a lot of things that seem like leaps right. So he loves Project Blue Beam. He's had enough, so let us let us know your thoughts. As always, we hope this episode finds you safe when doing as well as can be possible in these days. We can't wait to hear from you. You can find us on Facebook, you can find us on Twitter, you can find us on Instagram. You can also take a page from Wayne's book or his phone book in this case if anybody remembers what those are, and you can call us directly. We are one eight three three std w y t K. 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