From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of I Heart Radio. Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called me Ben. We are joined as always with our super producer set the Shadow, Nicholas Johnson. Most importantly, you are you, You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Today we're sort of talking about spies according to some people, one in particular, and whenever we examine the world of spies, we have to realize that the life of a spy is so offten glamorized in the world of fiction, like either the phrase spy or sespecially secret agent. A lot of people immediately think of James Bond, who we have already I think, uh very clearly established, is a terrible example of how to be a spy. He's day drunk, uses his real name, says it at every opportunity. His ops set is terrible. Real spies are nowhere near as glamorous as James Bond. You know, they run the gamut in appearance, socio economic level motivation. Some are in it for money, some are being blackmailed, you know, the Russian technique of compromat, and some really believe in a particular ideology. Some people really, you know, if the spy masters are doing their job right. Some operatives aren't even sure who they're working for. And this leads us through the strange, strange twisting tale of a man named Jeffrey Alan lash and full to spos. Really, I really thought you were going to say Ben Bolan, okay, uh own to be Matt. This is this We wanted to say, heads up, this may end up being a two part episode because there is a lot to this story and they're gonna be some surprising things the story as well. We're we're not going to approach this in a linear way either. There's a bit of a pastiche approach. So our story really begins with Jeffrey's death. Here are the facts. In the summer of the police were called to a residence in the Pacific Palisades Um, a particularly posh neighborhood in Los Angeles. Residents in that area were concerned because they've noticed a seemingly abandoned suv that was parked in the same exact spot for two weeks, and then the police received a call. Like we said, there were some concerned citizens that saw this abandoned car um and that led to a search where authorities found a corpse inside the suv and began setting out to piece together you know what could have happened to lead to this man being in this in this suv in this very fancy neighborhood. Oh and it's a twisted story. It is a very weird way that they even got to that suv in the first place. This is just to put this out there. In the same neighborhood, you've got like real Hollywood elite. We're talking your Reese Witherspoons and what was it According to the Hollywood Reporter that there's one other person mentioned, J. J. Abrams, who is not, so far as we know, related to this case buy anything other than geography. So part of our mission here at the front is to clear the name of Reese and j J. You're welcome, welcome, They're big fans of the show. So yeah, this is not a neighborhood where this sort of stuff ever happens. And as we'll find, the neighbors grow increasingly obsessed with the story. Astute listeners, you'll note that we're talking about a body being in a sealed car, wrapped in blankets for two weeks during the height of summer, so the decay is extensive here. The corpse is no longer one that you could easily identify, probably by just looking at um where the face used to be. They eventually do identify this man. Uh. He is a man known to neighbors in the area as Bob Smith. That is not his real name. His real name is Jeffrey Allen Lash. And he turns out he is living at a townhouse or was living in a townhouse just up the street. So the investigator's head to the condo, and in the condo they find um. You know how, for anybody who's a fan video games, sometimes you'll be playing a game and you'll burst into like a secret room and you'll find this cash of all this cool stuff, you know, med kids or health potions, depending on the genre, cool weapons, spells, stuff like that. That's what they find in this In this still missile, they find so many guns, more than twelve hundred, Like yeah, not trash guns either, like high end pistols, shotguns, rifles. All in all, lawyers later estimate, and their estimation does become important here. Lawyers later estimate there's about five million dollars worth of guns. And you may think, well, maybe this person is just a gun collector, right, maybe they go to these guns shows and and sell guns or something like that. It's just the guns, right, Oh no, no, no, no, there was also ammo. Yeah, exactly, around six and a half tons and a little more than two hundred thousand dollars in cash. Two thirty thousand dollars in cash, not to mention like some serious you know, uh like doomsday kind of weaponry, right, like bows and arrows and knives. And then you had models of bears and lions that were used as shooting targets. You know, you always get in these situations, right, It's important to be prepared. Quick note about that two thirty grand Those were an older bills, which is an interesting detail. Uh so these weren't like, you know, bills printed in the twenty tens or something. They were from the eighties, from the nineteen eighties. So we've been sitting on them for a while, And is that maybe indicated Well, I see what you're saying. But it's also like it could mean they were from various sources and could have been like drug money or some sort of illegal income stream. Well, we don't have to get into it yet, but for my money, that was the dash that Jeffrey Allen Lash had since the eighties. That's my this is my belief, the Lash dash. Yes, the last dash. Uh not not facial hair in this in this case, but yeah, he was more of a beard guy. He had a he had kind of a light salt and pepper beard at the time of his demise. So the police are freaking out. They also find a bunch of explosives. And imagine, if you are one of the well healed residents of this neighborhood, you might have noticed the weird car. But as we'll see, you are already very familiar with weird cars. If you live in this neighborhood and and you you walk out one day and it looks like one of those scenes from ET where the government agents shut down the house, their police everywhere. Some of them are weirdly enough, wearing overalls. There's also a bomb squad. Actually had to evacuate quite a few of the residents, right, Yeah, they had to take. This was has matt Level territory, and they were going through this huge arsenal weapons and explosives, and they have to do it really carefully because it's not uncommon for people who have collections like this to also have some safeguards. You know, maybe not lethal stuff, but you never know until you're until you're in the thick of it. And the one thing that baffled them about this is this massive amount of guns. This guy's lying to neighbors about his names. But all the guns are clean, and we'll have to reiterate this again, but this is important. All the guns are clean, none of them are dirty. They all have serial numbers. They were purchased legally over time. But some of these chemicals, these explosives are just too unstable to transport. So the police shrug and they're like, uh, we have to explode these. We have to have a party. And there's so they're literally folks who were not being hyperbolic. They're literally so many firearms. There's so much stuff in here that it took the police days to move everything, and they were moving at truckloads at a time, and everybody at this point, neighbors, police, reporters, with a good bloodhound knows for weird stories. Everybody is wondering what the hell is going on? What happens here exactly? Just a quick note before we move on, there are a bunch of pictures that you can see of everything we're describing. Describing here, there there was I think at least one reporter who lived right in the area or a photographer for a news outlet who lived in the area who was snapping shots of all of this while it's going down. And there's one shot, at least according to freelancer who wrote for Playboy, there's a picture of that cash we mentioned, the older bills laid out on a table in a garage. There were so many guns and other things that they we're dealing with at the actual house. They had to go to a neighbor's house and garage to do the money counting in a bunch of other sorting of materials was just like the effort to catalog all this stuff probably would have been massive. Yeah. So yeah, But but like you said, Ben, what the hell happened? What happened? What happened? Yeah, police are trying to piece together how this dead man ended up in an abandoned vehicle wrapped in blankets. It's not something you do after you die for yourself. And they were trying to figure out why he had so many weapons, how he got them. This is this is a real bummer for some of the cops because they have to go back and essentially do a background check on each and every firearm. So that's somebody's horrible job for the next However, log it's not just one night. And neighbors are you know, neighbors are flocking around while they can and they're saying, uh, they're talking to the police about about this guy, and they're like, oh, yeah, that's Bob Skinny, Bob Bob Smith. He's interesting. He's got an intense dude. He's really into guns. Uh. And he said he worked for you guys, well for the FBI or the CIA, and I'm not sure. Say the neighbors and the police are thinking, okay, well that's something because if they work for the FBI, we will be able to tell, right, We'll be able to find, we'll be able to verify that. And then we pulled some just some statements from neighbors because you can tell that there like now, this is the number one mystery in the neighborhood, because again, this doesn't happen in an area like this. One neighbor said, he'll say crazy things to people, like he does night missions swimming to Catalina, and he would he would come and he would tell us that he was going to show us his self defense moves, which has such big like Mac energy from Always Sunny in Philadelphia. I don't know, Ben, I'm just it's got a little bit of Ben bowl and energy too. I know you love a good night walk, so a night mession seems right up your alley. But I'm not teaching people martial arts swimming. You've taught me some good power moves in the past, like the elbow grab. You know, I thought wants the same as martial arts. Thanks, but yeah, it's the key is it's arrest. It's just it's it's such a weird thing to do. Graze exactly exactly. So then we have a new new character in this scene. These are all just the facts, by the way, This is why this might end up being a two partner. So shortly after the investigation hits the press, there's a guy named Harland Braun. He's an attorney. He's representing a woman named Katherine Nebron or Katherine Nebron Goren. This attorney comes forward and he says, look, I'm representing Nebron Goren. She is Jeffrey Allen Lash's fiance, and I contacted the police on her behalf to tell tell everyone where to find the body. And I also wanted to alert them to the massive amount of weaponry at this residence because he was concerned. Now, Braun is an interesting character. He is a veteran criminal defense attorney for people in the audience who care about celebrities. You might recognize him from his work with Dennis Rodman, Roseanne bar Gary Busey, and perhaps was infamously Robert Blake. So he's he's heard a lot of war stories, you know what I mean. He is in the true crime world. But even for broad this story Catherine is telling them is down right bizarre. You know what I think? Maybe we should hold that info, that bombshell for a quick word for our sponsor. They'll be right back. Good call, Let's build a tension a little bit. All right, we're back. Here's the scoop. Here's what you're hearing. If you're one of the police officers, who's stuck on this case. So Lash told his fiance that he was an undercover operative for a top secret government agency and that as a result of his work, he and she and everyone they interacted with were under surveillance constantly by the same agency that he was working for. So this mystifies the lawyer Broad And this is, by the way, not the whole story yet, because we're still in the realm of the facts. This mystifies Broad And he says, you know, the problem here is that the truth may be unbelievable. She meaning Katherine, will talk to l A p d. But would anybody believe it? Does she really believe it? Did he really believe it? These are the questions, folks, These are the questions. It was going one way or another. It was gonna be a long night at the police station. It was gonna be a series of long nights at the police station. They had to answer several questions. Who was Jeffrey Alllett Lash, Who did he actually work for? How did he die? Here's where it gets crazy. So, according to this fiance, Nebron Goren, Lash and his friend were shopping at a farmer's market on will Shore Boulevard in Santa Monica on the fourth of July, when Lash started to feel some kind of nasty symptoms. He was feeling hot and sick um in the parking lot um and as Braun told the l A Times, the group tried to cool Lash out with some ice, but he passed away. Yeah, I believe there was. It was dry ice as well, like that they were trying to use, like they were trying to very quickly cool him down. They were called a doctor on the scene. To a REKA practitioner, this is unusual, right, we're thinking the report's very I found one one report I think we we all read where this They said this occurred on July three instead of fourth, but it was it was around this time. It was like the first week of July, and you're wondering, well, I've been in situations where one of my friends isn't feeling well or they're injured or something. I know what to do. I would call paramedics, or if you live in the US, where most people try to avoid an ambulance ride, you would drive them to the hospital. But due to their belief that Lash is a spy and more than a spy, uh, they held off. He had given his close associates explicit instructions on day to day life, like with Nebron Gore, and he was kind of running her life. And he was doing this with a couple of different people, and he would say, you know, very cryptic things like don't ever, he didn't want a paper trail of any sorts. You didn't want to be involved with the authorities. He had earlier before his death damaged four cards in an accident and was adamant that no one contact insurance companies, no one report anything. And the next day he came back and he paid the owners of all four of those damaged vehicles in cash baller. But but they they knew, and they were to a degree they were afraid of Lash. That's very important, so they did not haul the paramedics. They called this doctor who was a friend. And then he later told the Low paper that he spent ninety minutes trying to revive Lash in the passenger seat of this SUV while nebron Gore in his outside in parking lot freaking out. Yea, he confirmed who that friend was. The stuff I was reading, nobody had identified the friend who was a doctor. Apparently, they called the mother of an employee of Nebron Goren who we will meet shortly. Okay, okay, got you. And it's true. The fiancee UM supposedly was you know, in shock and grieving and you know, openly weeping UM and didn't know what to do with the body, but assumed, based on what she did know that the agency, whatever a named agency this might be UM was watching at all times UH and would potentially come for him, come for the body, knowing that he had died. And she later told a friend that um Lash had actually left very specific instructions on what to do, and the first rule of what to do when this guy died was don't call the authorities and leave him in the car wrapped in blankets and get the hell out of town and let his UH handlers or minders take care of the body. Which I don't know, like this seems unusual in general for any kind of spiker. What I mean, like, if you if you're just like living a civilian life or maybe you're under cover, I guess, like, is there really instructions on what to do with your body if you die of natural causes? I would say, uh, no, not necessarily. What I would say is in this specific case, with this specific individual, there may have been a reason why Jeffrey either believed that an authority would want his body, or he had convinced somebody that an authority might want his body for a very specific reason that I don't want to spoil right now, or maybe he had convinced himself of this. It seems they're like they're i'd be a little bit this guy might have been a little little kookie. Yeah, it's it's quite possible that we're looking at a Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's court moments. That's the Mark Twain book, where a cartoonish stereotype of a Yankee based on Mark Twain's opinions at the time. Somehow time travels back to Camelot and there's this, without spoiling too much of it because it's brilliantly written, there's this moment where this Yankee guy is in King Arthur's court and he meets Merlin and he has this realization where he says, uh, he says, holy, this guy thinks he's a real magician, even though he obviously it is not. So there's like, yeah, there may be some self delusion going on there, and that's a really good point that also comes into play in a big way or it leaves us some big questions. But to answer that original question, um, no, yes, depending on sircumstances, there will be processes for handling or disposing a body if the disposing of a body of things go south. But the issue here is that unless somebody is somehow in on an operation or an initiative, you probably if you're a spy, you probably wouldn't tell them, right, You wouldn't tell them anything because you don't want to be my spooky government friend. You want to be you know, your local neighborhood. Yeah. So it does sound weird though the way you recount it, because it sounds really specific. And she does this. Whatever he has told her, she has digested it, she believes it. So she leaves his body, dips off to Oregon with an employee of hers who is an assistant, and they're gone for about a week and a half, two weeks, letting things blow over. They come back and they're they're over, you know, they're at the Palisades, and they say, and then Katherine is thinking, holy smokes, this vehicle is still here. It's in the same spot. How long is it gonna take his you know, people or whatever they are to pick him up. Let's let's leave it. Let's leave it right there, because now we have to start asking ourselves. Hold on, rewind, who is Jeffrey Allen Lash? Most immediately, how did he actually die? He just got hot, He got hot to death. And why on earth do they use dry eye to try and cool him down? That's an odd flex as well. Well, I mean it was just the cooling effect is I don't think you would use regular ice, so you can actually put it directly in contact with the skin. Dry ice burns if you put it on your skin. That's why they needed the blankets. No, come on, excuse me. So okay, So there was more going on with lashes body and his health than was immediately known. So according to Los Angeles Police Deputy Chief Kirk Albany's uh, he said, detectives didn't believe, at least after they examined the body, even though it was in a state of decay, they didn't believe that he had died from foul play of any kind, at least initially. That's what they believed, That's what they observed. Um This Deputy chief also said that the man was suffering from end stage cancer. So there's a reason why, you know, just being hot could have been a problem. There's a reason why maybe his body was overheating. He was. He was going through it for real, and doesn't appear to have been undergoing chemotherapy or some of the other treatments, uh, you know, because chemotherapy would have noticeable visual effects on the body. Yeah, he was. They were going a different route according to much of the reporting. What we would learn later, he was eating a very specific diet, taking some supplements and some other things. You know. I actually had a piano teacher um when I was younger, who had UH this type of cancer, and she did the same thing. She ate lots of UH foods that were high in certain nutrients, and she ate a lot of carrots, and it actually was I remember her remarking on it, and I noticed she was eating so many carrots and her skin actually took on this kind of orange ish hue. But she did that completely in place of more traditional I guess, you know, Western remedies. Yeah. I mean, that's a true that's a true story. That's a real thing that can happen if you eat enough carrots, your your skin will start to show. Jeffrey Alan Lash seemed to be more of a raw meat juices guy at this point. But but you're You're right, you know, And it's it's an understandable, frightening thing. In the grips of illnesses that are you know, going to be considered terminal for any number of reasons, people will naturally and logically reach out to any any pot, reach out for any possible glimmer of hope, any treatment, especially as mortality for the moment of death approaches side note unrelated. When I see terminal conditions here in the US, I think we also have to acknowledge that there are curable conditions that are terminal for the vast majority of people because they are too expensive right to fix. Yeah, which is something the future historians will not look back on with a very high opinion of society. That's not a political thing. That's just true. You can you can, uh, And I'm going somewhere with this. It's not just the soapbox. You can die of completely curable things because you do not have enough money or a credit line to survive. There's very there's very much a price put on the average American life. But this should not have applied to Jeffrey Allen Lash. He lived in a very wealthy neighborhood. He had tons of rich man's toys. Right, we haven't even gotten into his weird cars yet, and he just had hundreds of thousands of dollars sitting around. The guy could have gone to treatment centers. So he made a personal choice. Maybe it's for privacy, or maybe you know, um, maybe he did in the course of his own research, like your piano teacher. Maybe he became convinced that there was a hidden cure, right, or there was something less damaging to the body than chemotherapy that he could have done. Anyway, one of the big don't think he had insurance, been no paper trail, that's true. Yeah, he would have been paying shout of pocket because he always paid with cash, so it would have been that magic Johnson style injection from South Park An maybe, yeah, right, I remember that one. Well. Also, this is another I know I'm taking us on tangents, sorry, but this is another thing. Maybe not everybody realizes about the some of the very well to do people, probably people a few atmosphere levels of wealth above Lash as far as we know, after a certain threshold of income and wealth, you don't go to the doctor. You have a doctor on retainer for twenty four hours day, seven days a week. They just come when you call, They will show up at your house. You pay them a lot of money. Also write whatever prescription you want. It's pretty great healthcare. But going back to Albany's and the question of how he died, you know, was his foul play was as homicide? He says something really interesting. He publicly says, we are also certain that lash did not work for any government security agency, and so for his name, at least there's there's no record of it. Yeah, right, different thing. That's smart. That's a really good point. But then there's still so many questions. You know, where do you get this money? Where do you come from? When I have so many names? Why I have so many guns? You know what I mean? Why did they all appear to be legal? And when did he get the guns? That's yeah, when and how? And gentlemanber the name of Jeffrey Dwyer, who's the president of one of many Pacific Palisades homeowners associations. He was the president of the fourth Chapter, said that there were no signs to be seen of hoarding guns or ammunition during a twenty eleven repair and inspection in this town house where where lived, and the neighbors didn't necessarily know Lash's real name. They thought that he was called Bob Smith, which sounds like the most lazy pseudonym imaginable. Um, But this guy seems like he had a weird kind of dark streak in terms of his sense of humor and the way he you know, gave out just enough weird information to his neighbors to seem mysterious and dangerous, like you said, Ben, Uh. And according to Dwyer, the homeowner group never had a reason to question whether Bob Smith was his real name because Nebron Goren owned the townhouse, so he was just like living there, you know, as her guest. Essentially, Yeah, it was very very smart to Uh. It's very it's a very effective way of obscuring ownership or keeping yourself off of government records, and and from a social engineering aspect, it's brilliant because it all depends on like what people think is polite and diplomatic and conversation, and so when you're looking at the social dynamic between neighbors, even if you want, even if you're on the homeowners association, Uh, you're not. You're probably not gonna ever say to your neighbor, So what's going on in your relationship? Man? It's your your girlfriend actually owns the house. Is that that's something you want to talk to me about? You would never say that, that's like, that's so ruble and it would never even need to come up, you know what I mean? But if if they if they basically acted as a unit as a couple, even if you know, and the thing is, you can be someone's fiancee for like ever, right, But that's still is enough that the cover story totally checks out, even if there were some details that were super sketchy, like the dude's twelve cars. Uh that that that that he kept around? How do you even keep twelve cars in a town house? Doesn't know? There'll be enough parking for that because you have to have a separate garage. But one of them appeared to be bullet proof and worth around a hundred grand, and then another one was like a specialty custom job that appeared to be designed to go ben You questioned whether maybe it was an underwater car, but at the very least, it was a highly waterproof vehicle, right. Yeah, So so it was described that way, and it has been described that way in a lot of different places. And just just a note here, there are these are storage units where like storage garages, essensibly essentially where these vehicles were stored in many places, and they are also well we won't talk about it now, there are apparently a lot of storage units associated with Jeffrey Allen lash and and uh, to the point about, yeah, I didn't mean to be starky when I was talking about the underwater vehicle, because okay, here's why. So reading about this underwater vehicle, I'm thinking, oh, this is so cool. We maybe we are getting into some James Bond territory. Even if this guy a little deluded. Uh, it's funny. I read some statements by that lawyer we mentioned earlier. Broad and Broad is of all the things he's skeptical about, he's weirdly skeptical about that car. It's like they you know, they say it's an underwater car, and that's that's amazing, but it's it's not like a submarine or something. I think maybe you could drive through a river like that that's how we talked. This is the car. You know, it's not mince words here. I mean most cars are pretty much waterproof, but I mean, well, I mean, just in general, you can drive through a torrential Downpourt and you're not going to have leak edge in your car. But the undercarriage is the part that you don't want to get wet, so that would be a part that probably have to be specially designed to be sealed. I think it's exactly. I think it's an amphibious car, so it's probably more meant to just float or help you forward a stream, a creek or river, or maybe you just have a It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool, and it's very James Bond esque, uh, I mean, and the bulletproof car, dude. And the fact that what he and his uh fiance would would always go to dinner separately, in separate vehicles and I'll always pay cash. That was something that was noted of them. And somehow they got away without using license plates. Yes, that's why I wanted to talk about. Yeah, that's amazing, isn't it that they got away for so long without getting pulled over? So exactly, so, according to that freelancer who wrote for Playboy. They had a scheme essentially where they would trade in vehicles after a certain amount of time, so they always had dealer plates. So, you know, you get that, you get a new car, used car, whatever it is, you got a dealer plate for a certain amount of time before you have to get actual plates. Get pulled over the day after my birthday for having an expired tag. How do you get away with that for so long? It just seems like cheating fate. You know, well, if it looks like a new car, then the authorities would have no reason to even think about checking your plate. I mean, yeah, that's that is true. But when you're in the Palisades, remember right, so the police are going to be a little bit more deferential as long as you look like you belong. But then is probably based on, honestly, how nice your car is, I imagine, But but but you're right, it is a different world. I also tend to get pulled over for a lot of that stuff. I was going through something a number of years ago where I was just really lazy. I kept forgetting to put that little sticker you get in Georgia on the plate, and I was so lazy that I had it in my glove box and I got pulled over, uh twice, But in both times the police were we're sort of annoyed. They were like it, just put it. It's a sticker, and just put it on your like before you drive away. The second time the guy was like, just before you drive away, just put this on, like I have other stuff to do. Um. So I can understand how those little things could be a hassle, but they were. The point is they were putting time and energy and assiduous thought into not ever having to interact with the DMV. They were buying these cars cash as well. We should mention so that there was not a payment plan. There's no loan business that comes in. Everything that this guy is doing is completely meant to prevent him from being documented. And did we do we mention that he freaked out around cameras like a vampire with mirrors. Yeah, just ducking all the time, doing the the old cough into the arm move. Uh that's we don't know if that if that's the paparazzi shuffle. So that's called I thought he covered his coat space and did like warn r Poku. It's very we're painting. It is a very mature person. Actually sounds like a lot of fun at this point, I know, Gosh really said I never got to meet this guy. Uh well, hey, what speaking of meeting him, Let's take another break here word from our sponsor, and when we come back, we'll get into more of the biographical details of what we know about Jeffrey Allen lash or Bob Smith. And we have returned, so we know a little bit about his background. Now we know he grew up in a middle class lifestyle in modest family home in near near the l A Airport. For a while, he wanted to be a microbiologist like his father, and his mother was a piano teacher. But then um around the time he dropped out of college, according to his stepmother, Shirley Anderson, he cut himself off from his family. He became super sketch and very secretive about what he was doing, and his stepmother and his father had no reliable way of contacting him. He would just sort of drift in every so often in person, you know what I mean, never calling on the phone, just in person, and then he was gone again. He would show up like two days before Thanksgiving, but never on Thanksgiving, which is kind of brilliant if you think about it. I hate that. Nothing worse than someone showing up early to a holiday. Yeah, so we have it. We have a quote from his stepmother. She says he was just a loner as far as we were concerned. He just became weird because he changed all of a sudden. He just became weird. That's about right. I can't talk to you on the phone anymore. Mother, I've become weird. Become weird, I've changed. Okay, Well, let us know if you need a sweetheart, absolutely not. But I'll see three days before Thanksgiving, I'll come with a fresh pumpkins, specially baked pumpkin pie. I just love that. I love you. Know. What do you think just between like the five of us was hanging on the show today, do you think we could get away with using I've become weird, I've become strange as an excuse conversation. I can't milk COVID forever. I'm so sorry, guys, I can't. I have to stop this right here. I've become weird. Yeah, right, Like, Hey, hey, do you wanna you wanna go get some wings with us? Later? Uh, later after work been I'm sorry, I can't make it. I've I've become strange. Stop you right there. But you know, there is a interesting connection, you know, with the family here to this perhaps metamorphosis. When Lash's father was dying, Anderson said that she was unable to reach Lash, who never came to the funeral, not even three days early, which would have been weird, um, Anderson said, which you know, in character for him. Anderson said that she was unaware of any like, you know, independent wealth that he might have accrued that would allow Lash to purchase these millions of dollars and weapons. Uh. And just reminder that's that's the stepmother, and that whatever this secret job might have been, if it even existed, he definitely had money. And do do we know much about his fiancee because I'm sorry to think about that name just makes me think wealth. I don't know why a hyphen it name always makes me think wealth. We do because before she was his fiance she was married too. She was married to a dentist, I believe, and when Lash moved in with her that she and the dentist were still living together. That's why her name was Nebro and gored and eventually he drove to a part she was. She had She was a business owner, Katherine never and Gordon was, and she did pretty well for herself. She owned several different properties throughout the area. Business was booming. She was to some success story, which I think is objectively true, and then to a certain type of person, she was a ripe target. But the point about the family is really interesting because it's kind of a badger in the bag, right, an elephant in the room. When your story is about very eccentric people who have who seemed to have a lot of stuff and get away with a lot of things, one of the first questions you have to ask yourself is their family money at play? Right? Like when you read stories about who was that guy? Was he a DuPont Air? You know, I'm talking about who's into wrestling? Oh the fox Catcher guy? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it wasn't he from family? Yeah, I remember, I just remember recreations of the house from the movie reenactment of those events. But it was lovely. Well, that's that's the thing. I mean, it's it's true, like you have to ask yourself, is their family money at play? Because and the father did their DIY. So there was a question for a time of whether there was an inheritance in the mix. Anderson, the stepmother, says that there was not. And this is of great interest to the investigators because she also says, I don't know where you got the money from, and that's what they're that's what they're looking for, right, because there should be some sort of way to account for these massive amounts of cash, you know, even if it's even if it's something illicit, right, if it's like for a while, there was a suspicion that maybe he was of a former drug dealer, maybe at kingpin level, who who just got out of the game, and that that would explain why the cash was so old, his what do we call what do we call it lash slash uh, But this didn't seem to be the case, so no one still, no one knows where the money was from. I would say that that scenario also would make a lot of sense for why he absolutely didn't want to be tracked. And yeah, yeah, I think we could say it here on this show. We don't think he was narco um, We don't think that he was well, he definitely wasn't currently a drug dealer, but he may have been involved in the past. We just there are just a lot of missing spots in his biography. But police know that he had to. Like at this point, before they've gotten um evaluation of just the firearms from the lawyers. Uh. Police initially look at all this stuff and they say, Okay, this is at least half a million dollars depending on how you bought it, you know what I mean, off the grid. This is before they were able to spend the time tracing everything. And then later sources come back and they say, actually, this is more like five million dollars just for the guns. The condo itself. Um, we know the value of it from well at the time of this investigation. So we know the value of the condo from the last time it was sold, which was where it was worth almost five hundred thousand dollars. Because of the location it's in, that price has surely spiked. I wonder how many millions that actually would be. That's crazy. Thank you tracked two thousand eight whatever the crash happened, and then you just add you know, add seven. You know, I've been on Zillo a lot. Give me an address. I'll tell you how much. It was the cost right now, such as Zillo Guy Zillo, It'll make you feel really bad about your current situation. There's some I saw some page I can't remember what it was online, but was called Zillo Gone Wild. Yeah, and it's just um what's it's just weird houses on Zillo houses. Your mother would be ashamed of how since you can't take home to meet your parents. So this is you know, we have some levity, but there are some dark things coming up. Whatever the official story is or whatever story he was pushing, it is clear that Lash may have been sick for some time. He was sixty years old at the time of his death, and shortly before passing away, he had told Katherine nebrind Goren that he was suffering from terminal cancer. He did add that this was a result of exposure to mysterious dangerous chemicals in the course of his career as a spy or an operative, and he had been acting so very sketchy for so very long. He was always careful to cantileze people, to never tell them exactly what he did for a living, but to drop mysterious hints it uh and just just in conversation, right, and It's weird because the way that he talks to people about this, or the way they recount conversations with him, it sounds like he is trying to bait people into asking him more so that he can say, you know, I can't say anymore, you know what I mean? He just wants he wants to be that U dos Eck's most interesting man. This doesn't work out for him, as you know. That's why we started with the death. But this is part one of our examination in the story. We know it sounds a little crazy right now where we at. We've got an unsolved death, and we've got questions that seem to mount as the investigation continues. Can we answer any of these questions? Well, we'll we'll give it a shot in part two of this episode. In the meantime, we want to know what you think. Have you ever heard of Jeffrey Allen lash Do you have other stories of mysterious deaths that you would like to share with your fellow conspiracy realists? If so, let us know. We try to be easy to find online. That's right. You can find us a Conspiracy Stuff on Twitter and Facebook, Conspiracy Stuff show on Instagram. Um, why don't you do us a solid tode and pop on over to Apple Podcasts and leave a review, five star review if you please. We appreciate it, and it helps people discover the show. Uh and helps to kind of bump up in those those Apple rankings. Yes, and also, uh, just to add this in before we get out of here and we tell you about a couple other contact methods. I keep thinking about this concept that he wasn't a part or at least it was confirmed that he wasn't a part of any kind of drug running scheme or like an overlord or any an overlord, a drug lord of any kind. Um It. It keeps sticking in my mind just how clean his life was, even with all of those guns, even with all the cash and all the weird cars and all the stuff, How clean his life was, um and it it feels like to me, that's almost a reaction to being in a life where you know none of your money is legitimate. You can't spend any of your cash, you can't do anything with it. So you find a way to clean it. You find a way to live a life that is um where you could actually use your wealth for whatever you wanted. And if somebody looked at you. You wouldn't get in trouble anyway. Well, I'm sorry, we don't have to talk about this now. Ah was to stay stay tuned, folks. Uh, And that's a that's a great that. I'm really glad that you're pointing that out, because after a certain threshold, being too clean can be almost as bad as having some believable priors. So we're going to we're gonna hold for that. We want to hear what you think about situations like this. Also, if you want to learn more about people who have ditched their identities or committed pseudo side faking one's death, then do check out. There's an excellent book Playing Dead. We can talk a little bit more about how people try to transform their personalities, how to some dues and don'ts. Maybe we'll throw some of those in. But we want to hear from you. Give us give us call one eight three three st d W y t K. Tell us which we shoot for it. Tell us about times you had a different identity, maybe maybe for a few hours, maybe for you days. Uh, you know, let us know if we can use your name and or a cool nickname on the air. You've got three minutes, they belong to you. 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