From UFOs two, Ghosts and government cover ups. History is writtled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, everyone, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt and I am Ben and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know yet. You know, earlier when we had we had a couple of issues that made us need to restart our recording here, which happened sometimes, and you had you had a really nice sort of theme song intro to it, right, Yeah, you know, I decided not to try it again the first time. It was just out of boldness. I felt like I should just go for it, but it was it was the wrong decision. Well, fortune favors the bold, right. Uh. So we're doing something a little bit different on two days episode, isn't that right, Matt? That's correct. We are looking back through our archives for all the messages that you have sent us, and we're going to go through as many of them as we possibly can and address issues talked about a couple of things, and uh, hopefully it's going to be a good time. Oh definitely. We'll also just have some stories that some of you have written to us about and uh, we wanted to tell these stories to the rest of the audience. And some of these are fascinating and waiting to get into it. And we'll be looking at stuff across Facebook and some Twitter and some emails. So, uh, Matt, I feel mind? Would you like to do the honors? All right? We can get this started. This is a message from Chris with a K, and I'm just gonna go through it, he says. Matt and Ben. I've had somewhat of an eerie feeling about the capabilities of my cell phone in the past several years because of my dystopian view of what others can do with any personal information that can be accessed. When I saw your video on neuromarketing, I had several nuggets of information come flooding into my head. Tom plead a bigger picture. We all know that our cell phones are hot beds of personal information, and I've just accepted the fact that somebody can get access to anything they want from it. Thank you, Edward Snowdon. That's pretty great and personal person of interest. But what do you guys think about this? Almost all recent smartphones have a rear facing camera that can see your face as you use your phone. Do you think it's possible for somebody to be able to know what you're doing or looking at on your phone and see your reaction to these things and make an advertisement profile. So this is really interesting, Ben, I just want to point out here that my cell phone that is not in here while we're recording for possible RF interference, has taped over the front facing or I guess is the rear facing camera that looks at me while I'm on my phone. Yeah. I I have the webcam in my laptops taped over too, but not on the phone because, UM, sure, I'll make us stupid face. I imagine we're reading something on Reddit. But if someone catches me doing that, then you know they'll they'll probably be disappointed. Or maybe you know what, maybe I should just start making incredibly exaggerated reactions. Uh. When you look at things that would would increase your profile in positive ways for you, like we were saying earlier, Um, when you look at some kind of market research, make these faces that you're genuinely interested and when a cab video comes on, just be disgusted. Uh. We could become the uh the saboteurs, right, but yeah, but okay, So Chris makes a really good point here, do you think there's any kind of market research that could be done with this? With using technology? Okay, this is what the person is browsing at this time, and here is here's our facial recognition software running. Do you think there's anything in the future? Oh? Yeah, First before you answer that, because I do have an answer for that. He's got a couple more questions could be end I wanted to read? He said, Uh, could neuromarketers gather and test this info in order to sell their services to others in the future? Could this info be used for something more sinister? Would that be illegal? Uh? It seems like it should be. But does anybody actually read what kind of permissions they allow on their phones and what the end result of granting these permissions could possibly be. So to answer your your first question, and I Matt, Uh, it's completely possible for a phone to be hacked and for the camera abilities of that phone to be exploited without knowledge, the same way that it's completely possible for a laptop. In some cases, it could be even easier to hack a cell phone in that regard. But what we're talking about, And what I think Chris s here is talking about is not so much hacking as people through negligence allowing um a program that's a little bit too nosy onto their phone. So there are two ways this could happen, uh, And one is not entirely your fault as the phone owner, right because someone has illegally acquired these capabilities. And the other one is totally your fault for not reading terms and agreements and guys, yeah, no one does it. No one reads all And there's part of you know, it's to the advantage of a lot of those companies asking people to agree to something to have a touse language that no one wants to read. There was a as a professor in town while back who was embarking on a project to make terms and agreement documents more readable more Yeah, yeah, I just think it's it was more like an infographic or the the information was arranged so that you knew, in layman's terms, what you were allowing company A or app X to do to your information on your phone. Of course, as you can imagine, there wasn't a lot of impetus of two to help him out on the business. Nobody's going to give him a lot of money to do this. So if you agree to this kind of stuff, um in your terms and permissions, in your terms of agreements, then it is not necessarily illegal. Good neuromarketers gather and test this sort of info. Chris also mentions responses to heart rate monitors embedded allegedly embedded in some phones. Uh. The truth is that, yes, this kind of information could be used. It is possible. Is somebody doing it right now? That we don't know. We do know, however, that there are some ongoing studies, um that have been conducted regarding biometric signs or biometric data related to advertising. So well, yeah, that's the whole neuromarketing aspect. If you haven't watched it random plug here. If you haven't watched it, watch a neuromarketing series. It's great. Yeah, and we'd like to christens that with I'd like to hear where you guys take this one. Uh, we would like to explore more of this in the future. What I think bold both of us over met was the realization of the degree to which this stuff is being pursued. Oh yeah, well, and the dollars that are there for potential companies that would develop this kind of technology. It's just kind of waiting for somebody to reach out and grab so it in my in my opinion, if it is not already active and we're just not aware of it, it will be active and we will probably be aware of it very soon. So you know, guys, Uh, make crazy faces at your phone just doesn't matter in public by yourself. Tell tell them that, Tell them you're doing it for science. That's right. Yeah, that's the newest vague excuse of the age. As people like to say, Oh, don't worry, it's for science. Yeah, with an exclamation mark. Yeah, pardon me, officer, that was for science. Um. But speak of reaching out to grab something, you wanna grab us? One from Facebook? Yes, here's a message from Ian that we got on Facebook. He says, Hey, guys, have you heard of this new batch of oddness yet? Search web driver Torso for more info. I'd love to see what you guys think. So, oh yeah, we actually read this and we had heard about it. I think simultaneously as Ian sent this message and we actually posted it on Facebook. It's a YouTube page that has some curious things going on with it. It's random tones and shapes, yeah, red and blue squares, rectangles. Uh. The The other thing about this is that this channel post numerous videos. Um, there's thousands, no other way to say, yeah, uh, way too many videos. And people are asking themselves, is this uh? Is this just performance art for the sake of pretentious performance art? Um. We should note also that it seems that this video is acquainted with France or the video uploaders acquainted with France, because there is one non square video, right, one non tone and shape video where they say, oh, so and so is a smart guy and the Eiffel Towers in the background or something. Uh. There's another possibility, which is of course much more exciting, and that is the idea that this YouTube channel maybe an evolution in the uh in in the path of number stations. Um. Sure, that's a that's a fascinating idea. You just need the internet connection or uh, you know, a connection to some kind of satellite service and there you go. Now you have all your secret spy information that you needed for that thing you have to do and health sinky Yeah right, Uh they said that the thing you have to do in Helsinki. Um. For anyone who doesn't know what a number station is it's a brilliant example of how older technology can still function perfectly in in the modern world. Numbers stations are these radio transmissions that occur on specific frequencies, and every so often sporadically, on some of these Russian number stations, somebody with okay an accent will come on and say a series of numbers in Russian. Just you don't know when it's going to happen. I'm sure someone does, uh, but they'll come on and they'll say, you know, twelve, fourteen two, Well yeah, and there will also be alphabet sequencing sequences. So it's just it's really great. I think it's the Content Project, Is that correct? Noel? Are you listening to me? The Connate project that actually did the all the things with the number stations where it's music with the number three, Yes, Yankee Hotel, Fox Shot. It's great stuff. Think you know that's our producer, Noel, who is not just a great producer, but also a fount of knowledge that we uh we we check in with and sometimes you guys will hear us refer to know. I hope you keep this one in. I know that sometimes you cut it out when we talk to you. On the show, he's going to so the uh so. The interesting thing with those number stations is that, while we don't have conclusive proof of what they do, uh, the best one of the best guesses is that, due to the times in which they began transmitting, and due to the secrecy surrounding them, UH, it seems fairly safe to say that they are somehow related to espionage. And if you think about it, it's an uncrack herble code because if it is ladd espionage, then these sequences of numbers and letters are guides to a cipher, uh, some sort of code book that people are looking at to learn messages or receive information. And if you don't have that book, then there's no way that you could crack this code. The big question then, is web driver web torso, web driver Torso, webdriver torso one of these sorts of endeavors And if so, this is quite exciting because YouTube might be one of the perfect places for that. Or is it just some kind of random generator that's being uploaded on some kind of weird schedule through an algorithm that some some person just decided to try out right? Is it just an elaborate art project which is equally possible or just a troll right see? Or is it maybe someone's trying to make a music video but they're doing it very strangely and out of sync. And then once once you put the whole thing together where it's just going to be this beautiful, symphonic piece, maybe that's what it is. That's really nice, you know what. I'm gonna choose to believe that for a while, um, at least until the end of this episode. Next thing comes to us from Zach, and Zach wrote to us on email, Zack, you said, hey, guys, can't get enough of your show. I did end up looking into jury nullification. Definitely something everyone should be aware of. But anyways, I was thinking Australia often gets left off the radar for most Americans, myself included, until I moved to Tasmania. There's a story interesting, that's interesting. Uh, And Zach goes on st needless to say, there is a lot of the big wigs here don't like open discussion about. First off, Australia is not actually independent. It's pretty amazing, but the Queen of England can ask Australia to go to war and we have to go she appoints a Governor General who oversees a lot of stuff of what happens down under. It's worth noting that the ground often doesn't intervene or make orders, but they still have the ability to do so if they choose. Another very dark moment that for a long time was covered up was Nolan known as the Stolen Generation, active between nineteen o nine to nineteen sixty nine. Australian officials who go into Aboriginal communities and take away children to adopt out to white prosperous families and an attempt to I'm putting finger quotes in here civilized them. From their perspective, here's where it gets crazy. Thanks. A hundred thousand children may have been taken over the years. I would look at the movie Rabbit Proof Fence as it details one of the amazing escape stories of some of those children. There are many parallels between what happened to Native Americans and Aboriginals. The thing is that in Australia this all happened much more recently and was still hidden from the public for a while. Just to pitch something people don't often hear about. Thanks again for the show. That's uh. What was it rabbit proof fence. Yeah, rabbit proof fence. To write that down and make sure so. The stolen generation is something that I had read about in Zach your spot on with identifying the parallels between Native American families and Aboriginal families in Australia, because in the United States, although it's often glossed over in the history books, a very very similar thing occurred and people who were often guided by missionary principles would take uh these quote unquote heathen children and try to civilize them or teach them some sort of religion thing. Often, of course, taking a child from her or his family is way more traumatic than allowing that family unit to continue to exist. Yeah, not not only for the child, but for the rest of the family. Uh God, dude, makes me think about the current Nigerian situation. Yeah, with Boko Haram. Yeah, just that idea of taking children. It's one of the most horrendous acts that you can think of well, and happens with a appalling regularity. One interesting and extremely depressing statistic is that in raw numbers, there are more slaves alive today than there have been at any point in human history. And that again that's raw numbers, so that statistic can be a little misleading because they're also way more people around than there have been in the past. That the ways of humanity haven't changed that much. Unfortunately, that's true. That's true. We can't leave just that horrible statistics standing. It is also true that this is, believe it or not, one of the most peaceful times in human history, which is not saying that this is a great time, just saying that other times were bananas in the worst possible way. One last point there with the effect of this stolen generation activity by the Australian government, it's this the effects of those sorts of practices regardless. You know, maybe they were well intentioned and most people don't think of themselves as villains, so maybe the people stealing these children thought they were doing a good thing. But regardless of their intention, the truth is that this has had long lasting intergenerational effects, not just upon Aboriginal communities in Australia, but also upon Australian culture as a whole. And there's no easy fix for this, but I think one of the first steps is making this a well known story. So uh, thank you for bringing this to light, and we hope that our other listeners guys. Uh, I guess everybody, but Zach, if you haven't seen rabbit Proof Fence, do check it out, and uh, hopefully we can we can cover this. Yeah, I'm interested. Yeah, we'll definitely cover this one. And uh, as always, when you start digging a little bit beneath or between the line of history textbooks, you find a frightening number of skeletons. Yeah. Just depending on where you live, there will be nice little redacted marks all over one specific area. Okay, so let's let's bring it back to Facebook really fast, bend. Oh wait, but before I do that, I just want to give a shout out to Heather, who has written us numerous very kind things. Yeah, but I really didn't I don't want to read. Ben and I both decided we don't really want to read the email, one of the main ones that you said. It's just because it's very nice and it's awesome. Thank you for sending it. But I don't think anybody wants to hear us just get complimented by ourselves, you know, by you through ourselves. Well, Matt, it wasn't all just uh compliments, because Heather also had some great suggestions that if we haven't mentioned in, if we haven't mentioned on the air yet, I might just be saving those that we can do a series on them. But Heather, if you are listening, thank you for checking in with us. We are responding to your email. Um, and now I'd just like to say, Heather, I hope uh, well, obviously you're not right now at this moment enjoying listening to Ben's voice, But just that whole time earlier, when you're listening to Ben's voice, I hope you enjoyed that. Oh come on, man says I have to read it, Ben, I have to read it, just one tiny little excerpt. Uh, Heather says Ben, you have one of the sexiest non British accented voices I've ever heard. Have you ever considered doing audio books? Have you? Are you asking me? Yeah? Have you? Um? You know what, Maybe you and I can do an audio book one day, Matt. Maybe I don't know if you need me. Because she says she would pay real, actual dollars to get audio of you reading public Domain works, Well, that's that's so kind. I would recommend you know that how Stuff Works does have a couple of audio books by our buddies Josh and Chuck. Yes, they're great, highly produced. You'll you'll love it. It feels kind of like radio Lab. Yeah. Their guide to Happiness is great. That's one of my favorites. Um, which reminds me of this. Uh. Lizzie writes to us and says, Hi, guys, nice work on shining light on stuff they wants to know. Just wondering how was it fair to bring up what you claim to be an amazing, impressive ghost story and then decided not to tell us anything about it. Can I please, please pulease get a copy of this story, you know, the one I'm talking about. You said it was too long to read on air, and uh, then she said, so apparently wiki leaks released cables about aliens is trending right now. I'd be down to hear more about aliens, so would we, of course. Um. And this is a note that made me think of this. Here she said, you guys rock. I love that you occasionally mentioned Josh and Chuck from stuff you should know because I get happy thinking about you all being friends and hanging out. We we do actually hang out. We we sit around in the in the same office and uh. Some of the big News today, just for a peak behind the scenes. Is that Chuck recently out of skateboard? Oh? Man, here he got he got another skateboard since the ones that he had when he was younger. I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was. He had been skating for while as a teenager, and now he's back on the board. Oh way, yeah, he assures me. It's not like getting back on a bicycle. Sure. Um, okay, So about this ghost story, Lizzie. I actually went back and looked for the copy of the ghost story. But if if I can find it, because it was long, you know, it was pretty cool. If I can find it, then I am going to send it to you post taste. But you know, I do have a copy of that. Do you have a copy? I think we should. I still want to do a special audio podcast where we just read that story. Okay, oh man, that's great. I forget the name of the person who sent it in, but I hope hopefully wouldn't mind. We'll will shoot him an email and yeah, absolutely. Okay. So what's next, Matt, where do you Yeah? Yeah, let's go back to Facebook. I was gonna do that earlier. Sorry, this is a really fast one. This is from carl Mose and I'm not gonna use your last name, Carlos, but I will say that you are the lunatic with an A on the He asks what movie software do y'all use for your videos? Please get back at me. Um, Well, Carlos, just to address that quickly, we use an old version of Final Cut Final Cut seven that's no longer supported, and that's just because we we developed the show uh around that format, and it's just honestly, we haven't had time to switch anything over to ten, or or to switch it over to Premiere any of the other things. We're going to be doing that in the future, but that's still what we use. Uh. We use a bunch of photoshop and after effects motion um that those are the main ones. MPEG stream clip is when we use. And that's about it. And also for those who are not acquainted with this, and we'll be preaching to the choir for Final Cut fans, uh, the Final Cut version we're using is pure ear to Final Cut ten. So well, okay, you might get some flak about that. I I think it is okay, um, and that's only because I've been using Final Cut that is has at least been close to that version for a long time. For what you want to do, it's superior. Yes, that's fair. Okay. Yeah, so if somebody else thinks it's perfect for something else and they're doing something different, alright. So we have another letter from uh our listener, Drew v Drew. You said, Hey, they're been a fan for quite some time. Just finished up are you part Neandertal our newest episode? He said, early human history has always been something and fascinating me greatly, so I'm glad to see some work by you on the topic. Second, you mentioned at the very very end of the episode that if anyone in anyone wanted to shout out to drop you an email. So this is me doing that. Oh and you put his whole name, whole name in here, so I'll go ahead and say my name is Drew Vulcan. Would be quite awesome to hear somebody and the crew say it out loud on an episode. Drew Vulcan did that, Drew Vulcan, oh man so many times? Yeah, um, thanks for time. I appreciate it. Uh, you know what, we appreciate your time, Drew. We're a free show, all of our except for our mysterious sponsor. UM. All of our best ideas come from listeners, and we have had numerous listeners right into us before about especially when news about the real life Hobbits and Dennis Silvis came out. UM. Most of our great ideas come from listeners. So thank you guys, Thank you Drew. Here's another one from Facebook, Ben. This is from Anthony. He says, Hey, I really enjoy your show. I was wondering if you guys could make an episode on a A Alcoholics, Anonymous, and twelve step programs, this one in particular being a cult, and he says, I mean the first step is to accept that you're powerless, so right away they're breaking the person down as they would in a cult. What do you I think? You know what, this is a very interesting point that you're raising because and thank you for raising it, because case by case on an a A meeting from because I looked into some of this, like is a occult right? Uh? And case by case, it appears that some groups take on cultish characteristics and from what I understand, these are in no way representative of the entirety of a A. It's just because it's built as sort of a decentralized organization. It's easy for people to drift away under a charismatic leader, and you know, isolation a charismatic leader UM an abiding problem and only one way to get saved through a certain predescribed path. Uh does sound a lot like a cult. I'm just gonna just gonna be honest. Yeah, it's culty. It's a bit culty. Um. Another thing that's interesting that this makes me think of is, uh, what is it narcanon narcotic users anonymous in a UM because that has been uh linked with scientology, which causes uh it's It's caused a lot of criticism for people who also disagree with scientology and say that this is not actually helping drug addicts, it's trying to convert them. Yeah. Man, that's fascinating. There's scientology. I know they are very anti drugs in scientology as well as psychiatry. I believe the thing that we do have to say is that methods of breaking addiction are not always going to be the same for all people or for all types of addictions. You know, and UM, this it is it is quite possible that they're isolated groups that have taken on cult characteristics. It's an interesting question diggin too, and if we if we find enough to make an episode about something like that, uh, then we'd be glad to because you know, uh, you and I have found things that turn out to be cults under the strangest front, like pet rescue places out in the middle of the desert somewhere or at least at least Okay, all right, Matt, you and I are always gonna be We're gonna be talking about four pie for such a long time. Dude, we can't talk about four pie. Oh, that's right, that's the first rule for um. Okay, So we have another uh email here from Unice. Oh and Unice says, hi, I'm anna Avid follow your show. Could I get a shout out for all your British viewers please? Okay, So I'm gonna tackle your full name here, Unice, and I hope I don't mess it up. Unice lamare lamare o l A y e m E r E. So I am probably butchering that, but thank you so much. Right into us, Unice. Uh, Unice says, I found your episode, are you part neandertal fascinating? I am from Nigeria and therefore probably not genetically related to Neanderthal But why did Neanderthal's not go west like Homo sapiens? And you know how it's been hammered into our generations heads growing up that we're all the same by implication? Does that mean we are not in in parentheses? Slippery slope? Maybe we are all a mismash mishmash of different types of early humans war regards massive respect for the show. Uh, these are some fantastic questions. Uh, what we're learning and we as a species, as we're delving into the murky origins of the early stages of humanity, that moment where we start to become what would be the modern human. What we're finding is that it is it possible that entire regions of the world have genetic lineage descended from other other versions of early man. And currently there there's ongoing debate about how similar to or different from modern Homo sapiens that Neanderthals, or the Dennis Savans or the real life Hobbits actually were. I think it's fascinating then that the further we get away from the time you know that we were separate versions of humanity, only only the further and further we get will we learn more and more about the past. I think that's very interesting if you look at it from a fourth dimensional perspective, that that's this loop that has to be created almost. I know this sounds a little weird and trippy, and I'm not or listeners, but no, I think that's very interesting, just that sometimes the further you get from something, the more you're gonna learn about it. Absolutely, absolutely, because let's not forget that. In the course of doing this show, for as long as we've done it, we have found things, historical things that clearly we're a conspiracy, not a theory, you know, not circumstantial evidence. We know who did what and when, and it was all hush hush for you know, decades or even centuries, and then when it came out, usually after everyone had passed away, then it was an obscure huh, who to thunk it type of historical thing. But it is it is true that, you know, that's one of the reasons, especially when you and I first started, that we stuck with older, older instances of conspiracy because there's a wider view. And speaking of that, here is a message from j m uh Jay says, hey, guy, as I love the show as a team stir. I think it'd be great to see an episode on Jimmy Hoffa. I love him or hate him, what happened to Halfa is definitely something they don't want us to know. Best wishes. That's awesome. That's awesome halfa episode for sure. I'm gonna write that down. Yeah, that's one of those topics that should have been covered by us already, and we keep finding those that they're there are topics that we just haven't done yet that are just kind of staring at us in the face, but we can't see them because we're just looking at something else. Isn't that how it always happens, Ben, That's how it happens so far, at least. I'm not gonna give up yet. All Right, we've got another email here from Jack. You Hi, guys. I'm Jack from Southwest Tasmania, Australia. Huge fan of your channel podcast. You handle even the most out there conspiracies with respect, which I think is awesome. To keep up the good work, Hey Jack, thank you. We really appreciate you. Uh so, Jack says, we have a few conspiracies here which you may want to look into, one being the disappearance in nineteen sixty seven of our seventeen Prime Minister Harold Holt. The official stories that he drowned while swimming in the ocean, but for almost forty years there's been conjecture over what really happened. One theory is that it was killed by the c i A. Another theory was that it was gathering intelligence for the Chinese and a small submarine picked him up off the coast for resettlement. It sounds crazy, but some intelligence people actually give some weight to some of these theories. Another strange conspiracy is from my home state, the sightings of the extinct Dialcene or Tasmanian tiger as he's known across the water. This subject divides the island state like none other. A lot of the old timers tell the bands of tigers in the hills, which are always one step ahead of the humans. Keep up the cool work, Jack, Yeah, it's it's interesting because we know, we know sometimes that animals were suspected of being extinct have been rediscovered. Uh As for something the size of a Tasmanian tiger. That is very very interesting because you know, when we did cryptozoology, we learned about how much space large animals need just for just for survivals, and how improbable some of those statistics at least make it seem uh some of the cryptozoological creatures unfortunately, because I want to believe Ben, but I want to learn more about Harold Holt. That's that's fascinating as well. Oh oh one other thing. Oh man, he would kill me if I forgot this. Jack said, I would love a shout out to my partner in crime, Andrew A. K A deep throat. Interesting. I don't think it's the Watergate guy. Oh it's a different deep throat. It might be a different one. Uh. One other short one here before you go back to Facebook. Brandon M wrote to us and said, I would like to see an episode about hidden African archaeology, suppression or right supremacy, which we have. We have touched on a bit. We touched on a bit of it um when we did some ancient namely in architecture topics and some lost cities. I think we referred to it. But I would always love to do more of that because as we're finding the newest satellite technology, or at least the newest publicly acknowledged satellite technology, is showing us amazing stuff about the ancient world. I mean, we are finding so many ruins nowadays, just with light ar which is actually liars. Is one of the coolest things that exists right now. Another really short one from Daniel. Daniel, you have one of the coolest last names. I wish I could say it, but I'm gonna not say it. Um he said, I think you should do an episode on chem trails and contrails. I think it make a very interesting video and lots of people would enjoy it. Well, guess what, DA know, you're in luck because we already have an episode on that and you can find it on our channel. Just search chem trails and maybe stuff. Don't Maybe that's a good way. I'm not sure. Uh yeah, it can be tricky to find some of those older ones. And you know what meant, I would love another crack at that topic because that was back in our our early day. Yeah, um yeah, I wouldn't mind doing that. All right, I'm gonna jump back over to Facebook one more time really fast. Uh this is from Bing. Thank you for writing. Bing. Bing says, would you investigate more about the possible chance that Hitler survived World War Two and then being gave us a link to this new information released by the FBI in regards to a possible hiding location in Argentina. So we've talked a little bit about the subject, but we haven't really focused on Hitler. That's true because we there's so many strange conspiracies and notice I say conspiracies, not theories. There's so many strange things about the Nazi Party in World War Two that later turned out to be completely true that we've been We've been always careful too before we uh delve into those, because we don't we don't want to run out of the frankly, the kind of easy topics. Um. But we have never done a Hitler episode at all, and I think, I think, especially given the recent revelations about the skull and what may or may not have happened to Hitler's body, I think it bears investigation now. Now for the record, uh, the majority of scholars who study this sort of stuff dismissed the idea of Hitler's survival as a conspiracy theory. But even if the even if he just died in a different way, it would still be revelatory news. And at least there's fascinating information about the ratlines and Argentina, all of which is real. Yeah, so it's at least couched and enough. Here are the facts. Then the here's where it gets crazy part would be great. So guess what I think we're gonna have to do that. Yeah, We're definitely gonna have to do that. Let's also go ahead and thank Nick. In advance. Nick wrote to us and said, uh well, Nick said, Hi, guys, Jim, Matt, and Ben. I've been enjoying your video podcast. I like the longer format on the podcast. Have a couple of show ideas for you, and he gave us one of the greatest ones. As we said earlier, a lot of our great ideas come from our listeners, come from you, guys, and Nick said, do the Octopus. And that's how I had heard about it before, but this is the reason that I delved into it. Yeah, and much deeper than I had ever before. So if you enjoy our series on the Octopus, which includes both audio and video podcasts, then you have Nick to thank and we have to thank Nick too. So he recommended another thing that I think my interests some listeners, and that is the Gemstone File. Let's just read a quick bit of this. Uh. The Gymstone File is a document, says Nick, created over several years by a man named Bruce Roberts. The file first began circulating around nineteen sixty nine. Because this file is over one thousand pages, a skeleton key to the Gymstone File was released in nineteen seventy five by Stephanie Caruna. The file centers around Aristotle Onassis. Onassis has said to have kidnapped Howard Hughes, gotten Kennedy elected, and later at Kennedy killed, among many other things. The file and key began in the thirties, with Onassis and Joseph Kennedy striking a bootlegging deal. The key runs all the way to nineteen seventy five, when it was released. Fascinating. Yeah and He says that both the Octopus and the gym style uh Stone File are examples of mega conspiracies and overarching conspiracy incorporating several smaller theories. Um and you know. As another example, he points to the Illuminati. You know, Nick, thank you for these fantastic suggestions. I'd love to cover the Gemstone File as well, assuming of course, that you and I don't don't disappear after the octopus stuff, right man, I don't say that. Are you feeling paranoid? Mat Yeah, feeling I always feel paranoid. But when we cover something like the octopus, that just feels it. It feels so real. And you know, people people died, whether or not, whether or not actually had anything to do with the conspiracy, maybe maybe not, but people died there. Numerous people died around the octopus. Well that is, it is true that numerous people have died. I don't know if it's all related, though, I'm a little bit I'm a little bit more skeptical on that one. Certainly I as well reserve some of my s however, Um, Danny Castelero's death is something's rotten in Denmark? Are there? Okay? Well, we are going to wrap up this episode of Listener Mail. Thanks to Ian Nick Eunice, Jack, Drew, Heather, Brian Brandon, Daniel Carlos, Jay Zack and being for writing to us. To everyone who has written to us that hasn't made out on the air yet, we would love to bring your stories to the rest of the audience as soon as we can in an upcoming episode, because again, uh not only do all of our best ideas come from you, guys, but also some of the most important stuff that you will hear on this show comes from listeners just like you. Well yeah, and it also brings a little bright to our day when we're stuck in a cave reading about some horrible thing that happened in history, you know, getting a message from one of you is uh, it's a It's a huge positive part of my day. At least speak for yourself. I'm kidding and and and speaking of because we like, we love interacting with with you guys. So in that light, I'm gonna read one last thing from someone named Chris who wrote to us on Facebook Ben and he says, Hey, Ben and Matt, I was just wondering if you guys are ever thinking about doing a meet up at all in or around Atlanta. He's just wondering, what do you think it's a trap? No, I'm kidding, I'm getting, I'm getting I want to do this if yeah, if people are interested, we would love to do that. We have talked about doing a live Google hang out again. That was that was pretty cool. It was nice to put the faces with the names of listeners. Um and we found some great topics that we later made into some kick ass episodes. But you know, let us know you guys right to us. As Matt said on Facebook and Twitter, visit our website ww dot stuff. They don't want you to know dot com. That's right, the longest U r L and the business And if you want to be on the air. In a later episode of Listener Mail, go ahead and send us an email. Our address is conspiracy at Discovery dot com. From more on this topic, another unexplained phenomenon, visit test tube dot com slash conspiracy stuff. You can also get in touch on Twitter at the handle at conspiracy stuff.

From UFOs two, Ghosts and government cover ups. History is writtled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, everyone, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt and I am Ben and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know yet. You know, earlier when we had we had a couple of issues that made us need to restart our recording here, which happened sometimes, and you had you had a really nice sort of theme song intro to it, right, Yeah, you know, I decided not to try it again the first time. It was just out of boldness. I felt like I should just go for it, but it was it was the wrong decision. Well, fortune favors the bold, right. Uh. So we're doing something a little bit different on two days episode, isn't that right, Matt? That's correct. We are looking back through our archives for all the messages that you have sent us, and we're going to go through as many of them as we possibly can and address issues talked about a couple of things, and uh, hopefully it's going to be a good time. Oh definitely. We'll also just have some stories that some of you have written to us about and uh, we wanted to tell these stories to the rest of the audience. And some of these are fascinating and waiting to get into it. And we'll be looking at stuff across Facebook and some Twitter and some emails. So, uh, Matt, I feel mind? Would you like to do the honors? All right? We can get this started. This is a message from Chris with a K, and I'm just gonna go through it, he says. Matt and Ben. I've had somewhat of an eerie feeling about the capabilities of my cell phone in the past several years because of my dystopian view of what others can do with any personal information that can be accessed. When I saw your video on neuromarketing, I had several nuggets of information come flooding into my head. Tom plead a bigger picture. We all know that our cell phones are hot beds of personal information, and I've just accepted the fact that somebody can get access to anything they want from it. Thank you, Edward Snowdon. That's pretty great and personal person of interest. But what do you guys think about this? Almost all recent smartphones have a rear facing camera that can see your face as you use your phone. Do you think it's possible for somebody to be able to know what you're doing or looking at on your phone and see your reaction to these things and make an advertisement profile. So this is really interesting, Ben, I just want to point out here that my cell phone that is not in here while we're recording for possible RF interference, has taped over the front facing or I guess is the rear facing camera that looks at me while I'm on my phone. Yeah. I I have the webcam in my laptops taped over too, but not on the phone because, UM, sure, I'll make us stupid face. I imagine we're reading something on Reddit. But if someone catches me doing that, then you know they'll they'll probably be disappointed. Or maybe you know what, maybe I should just start making incredibly exaggerated reactions. Uh. When you look at things that would would increase your profile in positive ways for you, like we were saying earlier, Um, when you look at some kind of market research, make these faces that you're genuinely interested and when a cab video comes on, just be disgusted. Uh. We could become the uh the saboteurs, right, but yeah, but okay, So Chris makes a really good point here, do you think there's any kind of market research that could be done with this? With using technology? Okay, this is what the person is browsing at this time, and here is here's our facial recognition software running. Do you think there's anything in the future? Oh? Yeah, First before you answer that, because I do have an answer for that. He's got a couple more questions could be end I wanted to read? He said, Uh, could neuromarketers gather and test this info in order to sell their services to others in the future? Could this info be used for something more sinister? Would that be illegal? Uh? It seems like it should be. But does anybody actually read what kind of permissions they allow on their phones and what the end result of granting these permissions could possibly be. So to answer your your first question, and I Matt, Uh, it's completely possible for a phone to be hacked and for the camera abilities of that phone to be exploited without knowledge, the same way that it's completely possible for a laptop. In some cases, it could be even easier to hack a cell phone in that regard. But what we're talking about, And what I think Chris s here is talking about is not so much hacking as people through negligence allowing um a program that's a little bit too nosy onto their phone. So there are two ways this could happen, uh, And one is not entirely your fault as the phone owner, right because someone has illegally acquired these capabilities. And the other one is totally your fault for not reading terms and agreements and guys, yeah, no one does it. No one reads all And there's part of you know, it's to the advantage of a lot of those companies asking people to agree to something to have a touse language that no one wants to read. There was a as a professor in town while back who was embarking on a project to make terms and agreement documents more readable more Yeah, yeah, I just think it's it was more like an infographic or the the information was arranged so that you knew, in layman's terms, what you were allowing company A or app X to do to your information on your phone. Of course, as you can imagine, there wasn't a lot of impetus of two to help him out on the business. Nobody's going to give him a lot of money to do this. So if you agree to this kind of stuff, um in your terms and permissions, in your terms of agreements, then it is not necessarily illegal. Good neuromarketers gather and test this sort of info. Chris also mentions responses to heart rate monitors embedded allegedly embedded in some phones. Uh. The truth is that, yes, this kind of information could be used. It is possible. Is somebody doing it right now? That we don't know. We do know, however, that there are some ongoing studies, um that have been conducted regarding biometric signs or biometric data related to advertising. So well, yeah, that's the whole neuromarketing aspect. If you haven't watched it random plug here. If you haven't watched it, watch a neuromarketing series. It's great. Yeah, and we'd like to christens that with I'd like to hear where you guys take this one. Uh, we would like to explore more of this in the future. What I think bold both of us over met was the realization of the degree to which this stuff is being pursued. Oh yeah, well, and the dollars that are there for potential companies that would develop this kind of technology. It's just kind of waiting for somebody to reach out and grab so it in my in my opinion, if it is not already active and we're just not aware of it, it will be active and we will probably be aware of it very soon. So you know, guys, Uh, make crazy faces at your phone just doesn't matter in public by yourself. Tell tell them that, Tell them you're doing it for science. That's right. Yeah, that's the newest vague excuse of the age. As people like to say, Oh, don't worry, it's for science. Yeah, with an exclamation mark. Yeah, pardon me, officer, that was for science. Um. But speak of reaching out to grab something, you wanna grab us? One from Facebook? Yes, here's a message from Ian that we got on Facebook. He says, Hey, guys, have you heard of this new batch of oddness yet? Search web driver Torso for more info. I'd love to see what you guys think. So, oh yeah, we actually read this and we had heard about it. I think simultaneously as Ian sent this message and we actually posted it on Facebook. It's a YouTube page that has some curious things going on with it. It's random tones and shapes, yeah, red and blue squares, rectangles. Uh. The The other thing about this is that this channel post numerous videos. Um, there's thousands, no other way to say, yeah, uh, way too many videos. And people are asking themselves, is this uh? Is this just performance art for the sake of pretentious performance art? Um. We should note also that it seems that this video is acquainted with France or the video uploaders acquainted with France, because there is one non square video, right, one non tone and shape video where they say, oh, so and so is a smart guy and the Eiffel Towers in the background or something. Uh. There's another possibility, which is of course much more exciting, and that is the idea that this YouTube channel maybe an evolution in the uh in in the path of number stations. Um. Sure, that's a that's a fascinating idea. You just need the internet connection or uh, you know, a connection to some kind of satellite service and there you go. Now you have all your secret spy information that you needed for that thing you have to do and health sinky Yeah right, Uh they said that the thing you have to do in Helsinki. Um. For anyone who doesn't know what a number station is it's a brilliant example of how older technology can still function perfectly in in the modern world. Numbers stations are these radio transmissions that occur on specific frequencies, and every so often sporadically, on some of these Russian number stations, somebody with okay an accent will come on and say a series of numbers in Russian. Just you don't know when it's going to happen. I'm sure someone does, uh, but they'll come on and they'll say, you know, twelve, fourteen two, Well yeah, and there will also be alphabet sequencing sequences. So it's just it's really great. I think it's the Content Project, Is that correct? Noel? Are you listening to me? The Connate project that actually did the all the things with the number stations where it's music with the number three, Yes, Yankee Hotel, Fox Shot. It's great stuff. Think you know that's our producer, Noel, who is not just a great producer, but also a fount of knowledge that we uh we we check in with and sometimes you guys will hear us refer to know. I hope you keep this one in. I know that sometimes you cut it out when we talk to you. On the show, he's going to so the uh so. The interesting thing with those number stations is that, while we don't have conclusive proof of what they do, uh, the best one of the best guesses is that, due to the times in which they began transmitting, and due to the secrecy surrounding them, UH, it seems fairly safe to say that they are somehow related to espionage. And if you think about it, it's an uncrack herble code because if it is ladd espionage, then these sequences of numbers and letters are guides to a cipher, uh, some sort of code book that people are looking at to learn messages or receive information. And if you don't have that book, then there's no way that you could crack this code. The big question then, is web driver web torso, web driver Torso, webdriver torso one of these sorts of endeavors And if so, this is quite exciting because YouTube might be one of the perfect places for that. Or is it just some kind of random generator that's being uploaded on some kind of weird schedule through an algorithm that some some person just decided to try out right? Is it just an elaborate art project which is equally possible or just a troll right see? Or is it maybe someone's trying to make a music video but they're doing it very strangely and out of sync. And then once once you put the whole thing together where it's just going to be this beautiful, symphonic piece, maybe that's what it is. That's really nice, you know what. I'm gonna choose to believe that for a while, um, at least until the end of this episode. Next thing comes to us from Zach, and Zach wrote to us on email, Zack, you said, hey, guys, can't get enough of your show. I did end up looking into jury nullification. Definitely something everyone should be aware of. But anyways, I was thinking Australia often gets left off the radar for most Americans, myself included, until I moved to Tasmania. There's a story interesting, that's interesting. Uh, And Zach goes on st needless to say, there is a lot of the big wigs here don't like open discussion about. First off, Australia is not actually independent. It's pretty amazing, but the Queen of England can ask Australia to go to war and we have to go she appoints a Governor General who oversees a lot of stuff of what happens down under. It's worth noting that the ground often doesn't intervene or make orders, but they still have the ability to do so if they choose. Another very dark moment that for a long time was covered up was Nolan known as the Stolen Generation, active between nineteen o nine to nineteen sixty nine. Australian officials who go into Aboriginal communities and take away children to adopt out to white prosperous families and an attempt to I'm putting finger quotes in here civilized them. From their perspective, here's where it gets crazy. Thanks. A hundred thousand children may have been taken over the years. I would look at the movie Rabbit Proof Fence as it details one of the amazing escape stories of some of those children. There are many parallels between what happened to Native Americans and Aboriginals. The thing is that in Australia this all happened much more recently and was still hidden from the public for a while. Just to pitch something people don't often hear about. Thanks again for the show. That's uh. What was it rabbit proof fence. Yeah, rabbit proof fence. To write that down and make sure so. The stolen generation is something that I had read about in Zach your spot on with identifying the parallels between Native American families and Aboriginal families in Australia, because in the United States, although it's often glossed over in the history books, a very very similar thing occurred and people who were often guided by missionary principles would take uh these quote unquote heathen children and try to civilize them or teach them some sort of religion thing. Often, of course, taking a child from her or his family is way more traumatic than allowing that family unit to continue to exist. Yeah, not not only for the child, but for the rest of the family. Uh God, dude, makes me think about the current Nigerian situation. Yeah, with Boko Haram. Yeah, just that idea of taking children. It's one of the most horrendous acts that you can think of well, and happens with a appalling regularity. One interesting and extremely depressing statistic is that in raw numbers, there are more slaves alive today than there have been at any point in human history. And that again that's raw numbers, so that statistic can be a little misleading because they're also way more people around than there have been in the past. That the ways of humanity haven't changed that much. Unfortunately, that's true. That's true. We can't leave just that horrible statistics standing. It is also true that this is, believe it or not, one of the most peaceful times in human history, which is not saying that this is a great time, just saying that other times were bananas in the worst possible way. One last point there with the effect of this stolen generation activity by the Australian government, it's this the effects of those sorts of practices regardless. You know, maybe they were well intentioned and most people don't think of themselves as villains, so maybe the people stealing these children thought they were doing a good thing. But regardless of their intention, the truth is that this has had long lasting intergenerational effects, not just upon Aboriginal communities in Australia, but also upon Australian culture as a whole. And there's no easy fix for this, but I think one of the first steps is making this a well known story. So uh, thank you for bringing this to light, and we hope that our other listeners guys. Uh, I guess everybody, but Zach, if you haven't seen rabbit Proof Fence, do check it out, and uh, hopefully we can we can cover this. Yeah, I'm interested. Yeah, we'll definitely cover this one. And uh, as always, when you start digging a little bit beneath or between the line of history textbooks, you find a frightening number of skeletons. Yeah. Just depending on where you live, there will be nice little redacted marks all over one specific area. Okay, so let's let's bring it back to Facebook really fast, bend. Oh wait, but before I do that, I just want to give a shout out to Heather, who has written us numerous very kind things. Yeah, but I really didn't I don't want to read. Ben and I both decided we don't really want to read the email, one of the main ones that you said. It's just because it's very nice and it's awesome. Thank you for sending it. But I don't think anybody wants to hear us just get complimented by ourselves, you know, by you through ourselves. Well, Matt, it wasn't all just uh compliments, because Heather also had some great suggestions that if we haven't mentioned in, if we haven't mentioned on the air yet, I might just be saving those that we can do a series on them. But Heather, if you are listening, thank you for checking in with us. We are responding to your email. Um, and now I'd just like to say, Heather, I hope uh, well, obviously you're not right now at this moment enjoying listening to Ben's voice, But just that whole time earlier, when you're listening to Ben's voice, I hope you enjoyed that. Oh come on, man says I have to read it, Ben, I have to read it, just one tiny little excerpt. Uh, Heather says Ben, you have one of the sexiest non British accented voices I've ever heard. Have you ever considered doing audio books? Have you? Are you asking me? Yeah? Have you? Um? You know what, Maybe you and I can do an audio book one day, Matt. Maybe I don't know if you need me. Because she says she would pay real, actual dollars to get audio of you reading public Domain works, Well, that's that's so kind. I would recommend you know that how Stuff Works does have a couple of audio books by our buddies Josh and Chuck. Yes, they're great, highly produced. You'll you'll love it. It feels kind of like radio Lab. Yeah. Their guide to Happiness is great. That's one of my favorites. Um, which reminds me of this. Uh. Lizzie writes to us and says, Hi, guys, nice work on shining light on stuff they wants to know. Just wondering how was it fair to bring up what you claim to be an amazing, impressive ghost story and then decided not to tell us anything about it. Can I please, please pulease get a copy of this story, you know, the one I'm talking about. You said it was too long to read on air, and uh, then she said, so apparently wiki leaks released cables about aliens is trending right now. I'd be down to hear more about aliens, so would we, of course. Um. And this is a note that made me think of this. Here she said, you guys rock. I love that you occasionally mentioned Josh and Chuck from stuff you should know because I get happy thinking about you all being friends and hanging out. We we do actually hang out. We we sit around in the in the same office and uh. Some of the big News today, just for a peak behind the scenes. Is that Chuck recently out of skateboard? Oh? Man, here he got he got another skateboard since the ones that he had when he was younger. I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was. He had been skating for while as a teenager, and now he's back on the board. Oh way, yeah, he assures me. It's not like getting back on a bicycle. Sure. Um, okay, So about this ghost story, Lizzie. I actually went back and looked for the copy of the ghost story. But if if I can find it, because it was long, you know, it was pretty cool. If I can find it, then I am going to send it to you post taste. But you know, I do have a copy of that. Do you have a copy? I think we should. I still want to do a special audio podcast where we just read that story. Okay, oh man, that's great. I forget the name of the person who sent it in, but I hope hopefully wouldn't mind. We'll will shoot him an email and yeah, absolutely. Okay. So what's next, Matt, where do you Yeah? Yeah, let's go back to Facebook. I was gonna do that earlier. Sorry, this is a really fast one. This is from carl Mose and I'm not gonna use your last name, Carlos, but I will say that you are the lunatic with an A on the He asks what movie software do y'all use for your videos? Please get back at me. Um, Well, Carlos, just to address that quickly, we use an old version of Final Cut Final Cut seven that's no longer supported, and that's just because we we developed the show uh around that format, and it's just honestly, we haven't had time to switch anything over to ten, or or to switch it over to Premiere any of the other things. We're going to be doing that in the future, but that's still what we use. Uh. We use a bunch of photoshop and after effects motion um that those are the main ones. MPEG stream clip is when we use. And that's about it. And also for those who are not acquainted with this, and we'll be preaching to the choir for Final Cut fans, uh, the Final Cut version we're using is pure ear to Final Cut ten. So well, okay, you might get some flak about that. I I think it is okay, um, and that's only because I've been using Final Cut that is has at least been close to that version for a long time. For what you want to do, it's superior. Yes, that's fair. Okay. Yeah, so if somebody else thinks it's perfect for something else and they're doing something different, alright. So we have another letter from uh our listener, Drew v Drew. You said, Hey, they're been a fan for quite some time. Just finished up are you part Neandertal our newest episode? He said, early human history has always been something and fascinating me greatly, so I'm glad to see some work by you on the topic. Second, you mentioned at the very very end of the episode that if anyone in anyone wanted to shout out to drop you an email. So this is me doing that. Oh and you put his whole name, whole name in here, so I'll go ahead and say my name is Drew Vulcan. Would be quite awesome to hear somebody and the crew say it out loud on an episode. Drew Vulcan did that, Drew Vulcan, oh man so many times? Yeah, um, thanks for time. I appreciate it. Uh, you know what, we appreciate your time, Drew. We're a free show, all of our except for our mysterious sponsor. UM. All of our best ideas come from listeners, and we have had numerous listeners right into us before about especially when news about the real life Hobbits and Dennis Silvis came out. UM. Most of our great ideas come from listeners. So thank you guys, Thank you Drew. Here's another one from Facebook, Ben. This is from Anthony. He says, Hey, I really enjoy your show. I was wondering if you guys could make an episode on a A Alcoholics, Anonymous, and twelve step programs, this one in particular being a cult, and he says, I mean the first step is to accept that you're powerless, so right away they're breaking the person down as they would in a cult. What do you I think? You know what, this is a very interesting point that you're raising because and thank you for raising it, because case by case on an a A meeting from because I looked into some of this, like is a occult right? Uh? And case by case, it appears that some groups take on cultish characteristics and from what I understand, these are in no way representative of the entirety of a A. It's just because it's built as sort of a decentralized organization. It's easy for people to drift away under a charismatic leader, and you know, isolation a charismatic leader UM an abiding problem and only one way to get saved through a certain predescribed path. Uh does sound a lot like a cult. I'm just gonna just gonna be honest. Yeah, it's culty. It's a bit culty. Um. Another thing that's interesting that this makes me think of is, uh, what is it narcanon narcotic users anonymous in a UM because that has been uh linked with scientology, which causes uh it's It's caused a lot of criticism for people who also disagree with scientology and say that this is not actually helping drug addicts, it's trying to convert them. Yeah. Man, that's fascinating. There's scientology. I know they are very anti drugs in scientology as well as psychiatry. I believe the thing that we do have to say is that methods of breaking addiction are not always going to be the same for all people or for all types of addictions. You know, and UM, this it is it is quite possible that they're isolated groups that have taken on cult characteristics. It's an interesting question diggin too, and if we if we find enough to make an episode about something like that, uh, then we'd be glad to because you know, uh, you and I have found things that turn out to be cults under the strangest front, like pet rescue places out in the middle of the desert somewhere or at least at least Okay, all right, Matt, you and I are always gonna be We're gonna be talking about four pie for such a long time. Dude, we can't talk about four pie. Oh, that's right, that's the first rule for um. Okay, So we have another uh email here from Unice. Oh and Unice says, hi, I'm anna Avid follow your show. Could I get a shout out for all your British viewers please? Okay, So I'm gonna tackle your full name here, Unice, and I hope I don't mess it up. Unice lamare lamare o l A y e m E r E. So I am probably butchering that, but thank you so much. Right into us, Unice. Uh, Unice says, I found your episode, are you part neandertal fascinating? I am from Nigeria and therefore probably not genetically related to Neanderthal But why did Neanderthal's not go west like Homo sapiens? And you know how it's been hammered into our generations heads growing up that we're all the same by implication? Does that mean we are not in in parentheses? Slippery slope? Maybe we are all a mismash mishmash of different types of early humans war regards massive respect for the show. Uh, these are some fantastic questions. Uh, what we're learning and we as a species, as we're delving into the murky origins of the early stages of humanity, that moment where we start to become what would be the modern human. What we're finding is that it is it possible that entire regions of the world have genetic lineage descended from other other versions of early man. And currently there there's ongoing debate about how similar to or different from modern Homo sapiens that Neanderthals, or the Dennis Savans or the real life Hobbits actually were. I think it's fascinating then that the further we get away from the time you know that we were separate versions of humanity, only only the further and further we get will we learn more and more about the past. I think that's very interesting if you look at it from a fourth dimensional perspective, that that's this loop that has to be created almost. I know this sounds a little weird and trippy, and I'm not or listeners, but no, I think that's very interesting, just that sometimes the further you get from something, the more you're gonna learn about it. Absolutely, absolutely, because let's not forget that. In the course of doing this show, for as long as we've done it, we have found things, historical things that clearly we're a conspiracy, not a theory, you know, not circumstantial evidence. We know who did what and when, and it was all hush hush for you know, decades or even centuries, and then when it came out, usually after everyone had passed away, then it was an obscure huh, who to thunk it type of historical thing. But it is it is true that, you know, that's one of the reasons, especially when you and I first started, that we stuck with older, older instances of conspiracy because there's a wider view. And speaking of that, here is a message from j m uh Jay says, hey, guy, as I love the show as a team stir. I think it'd be great to see an episode on Jimmy Hoffa. I love him or hate him, what happened to Halfa is definitely something they don't want us to know. Best wishes. That's awesome. That's awesome halfa episode for sure. I'm gonna write that down. Yeah, that's one of those topics that should have been covered by us already, and we keep finding those that they're there are topics that we just haven't done yet that are just kind of staring at us in the face, but we can't see them because we're just looking at something else. Isn't that how it always happens, Ben, That's how it happens so far, at least. I'm not gonna give up yet. All Right, we've got another email here from Jack. You Hi, guys. I'm Jack from Southwest Tasmania, Australia. Huge fan of your channel podcast. You handle even the most out there conspiracies with respect, which I think is awesome. To keep up the good work, Hey Jack, thank you. We really appreciate you. Uh so, Jack says, we have a few conspiracies here which you may want to look into, one being the disappearance in nineteen sixty seven of our seventeen Prime Minister Harold Holt. The official stories that he drowned while swimming in the ocean, but for almost forty years there's been conjecture over what really happened. One theory is that it was killed by the c i A. Another theory was that it was gathering intelligence for the Chinese and a small submarine picked him up off the coast for resettlement. It sounds crazy, but some intelligence people actually give some weight to some of these theories. Another strange conspiracy is from my home state, the sightings of the extinct Dialcene or Tasmanian tiger as he's known across the water. This subject divides the island state like none other. A lot of the old timers tell the bands of tigers in the hills, which are always one step ahead of the humans. Keep up the cool work, Jack, Yeah, it's it's interesting because we know, we know sometimes that animals were suspected of being extinct have been rediscovered. Uh As for something the size of a Tasmanian tiger. That is very very interesting because you know, when we did cryptozoology, we learned about how much space large animals need just for just for survivals, and how improbable some of those statistics at least make it seem uh some of the cryptozoological creatures unfortunately, because I want to believe Ben, but I want to learn more about Harold Holt. That's that's fascinating as well. Oh oh one other thing. Oh man, he would kill me if I forgot this. Jack said, I would love a shout out to my partner in crime, Andrew A. K A deep throat. Interesting. I don't think it's the Watergate guy. Oh it's a different deep throat. It might be a different one. Uh. One other short one here before you go back to Facebook. Brandon M wrote to us and said, I would like to see an episode about hidden African archaeology, suppression or right supremacy, which we have. We have touched on a bit. We touched on a bit of it um when we did some ancient namely in architecture topics and some lost cities. I think we referred to it. But I would always love to do more of that because as we're finding the newest satellite technology, or at least the newest publicly acknowledged satellite technology, is showing us amazing stuff about the ancient world. I mean, we are finding so many ruins nowadays, just with light ar which is actually liars. Is one of the coolest things that exists right now. Another really short one from Daniel. Daniel, you have one of the coolest last names. I wish I could say it, but I'm gonna not say it. Um he said, I think you should do an episode on chem trails and contrails. I think it make a very interesting video and lots of people would enjoy it. Well, guess what, DA know, you're in luck because we already have an episode on that and you can find it on our channel. Just search chem trails and maybe stuff. Don't Maybe that's a good way. I'm not sure. Uh yeah, it can be tricky to find some of those older ones. And you know what meant, I would love another crack at that topic because that was back in our our early day. Yeah, um yeah, I wouldn't mind doing that. All right, I'm gonna jump back over to Facebook one more time really fast. Uh this is from Bing. Thank you for writing. Bing. Bing says, would you investigate more about the possible chance that Hitler survived World War Two and then being gave us a link to this new information released by the FBI in regards to a possible hiding location in Argentina. So we've talked a little bit about the subject, but we haven't really focused on Hitler. That's true because we there's so many strange conspiracies and notice I say conspiracies, not theories. There's so many strange things about the Nazi Party in World War Two that later turned out to be completely true that we've been We've been always careful too before we uh delve into those, because we don't we don't want to run out of the frankly, the kind of easy topics. Um. But we have never done a Hitler episode at all, and I think, I think, especially given the recent revelations about the skull and what may or may not have happened to Hitler's body, I think it bears investigation now. Now for the record, uh, the majority of scholars who study this sort of stuff dismissed the idea of Hitler's survival as a conspiracy theory. But even if the even if he just died in a different way, it would still be revelatory news. And at least there's fascinating information about the ratlines and Argentina, all of which is real. Yeah, so it's at least couched and enough. Here are the facts. Then the here's where it gets crazy part would be great. So guess what I think we're gonna have to do that. Yeah, We're definitely gonna have to do that. Let's also go ahead and thank Nick. In advance. Nick wrote to us and said, uh well, Nick said, Hi, guys, Jim, Matt, and Ben. I've been enjoying your video podcast. I like the longer format on the podcast. Have a couple of show ideas for you, and he gave us one of the greatest ones. As we said earlier, a lot of our great ideas come from our listeners, come from you, guys, and Nick said, do the Octopus. And that's how I had heard about it before, but this is the reason that I delved into it. Yeah, and much deeper than I had ever before. So if you enjoy our series on the Octopus, which includes both audio and video podcasts, then you have Nick to thank and we have to thank Nick too. So he recommended another thing that I think my interests some listeners, and that is the Gemstone File. Let's just read a quick bit of this. Uh. The Gymstone File is a document, says Nick, created over several years by a man named Bruce Roberts. The file first began circulating around nineteen sixty nine. Because this file is over one thousand pages, a skeleton key to the Gymstone File was released in nineteen seventy five by Stephanie Caruna. The file centers around Aristotle Onassis. Onassis has said to have kidnapped Howard Hughes, gotten Kennedy elected, and later at Kennedy killed, among many other things. The file and key began in the thirties, with Onassis and Joseph Kennedy striking a bootlegging deal. The key runs all the way to nineteen seventy five, when it was released. Fascinating. Yeah and He says that both the Octopus and the gym style uh Stone File are examples of mega conspiracies and overarching conspiracy incorporating several smaller theories. Um and you know. As another example, he points to the Illuminati. You know, Nick, thank you for these fantastic suggestions. I'd love to cover the Gemstone File as well, assuming of course, that you and I don't don't disappear after the octopus stuff, right man, I don't say that. Are you feeling paranoid? Mat Yeah, feeling I always feel paranoid. But when we cover something like the octopus, that just feels it. It feels so real. And you know, people people died, whether or not, whether or not actually had anything to do with the conspiracy, maybe maybe not, but people died there. Numerous people died around the octopus. Well that is, it is true that numerous people have died. I don't know if it's all related, though, I'm a little bit I'm a little bit more skeptical on that one. Certainly I as well reserve some of my s however, Um, Danny Castelero's death is something's rotten in Denmark? Are there? Okay? Well, we are going to wrap up this episode of Listener Mail. Thanks to Ian Nick Eunice, Jack, Drew, Heather, Brian Brandon, Daniel Carlos, Jay Zack and being for writing to us. To everyone who has written to us that hasn't made out on the air yet, we would love to bring your stories to the rest of the audience as soon as we can in an upcoming episode, because again, uh not only do all of our best ideas come from you, guys, but also some of the most important stuff that you will hear on this show comes from listeners just like you. Well yeah, and it also brings a little bright to our day when we're stuck in a cave reading about some horrible thing that happened in history, you know, getting a message from one of you is uh, it's a It's a huge positive part of my day. At least speak for yourself. I'm kidding and and and speaking of because we like, we love interacting with with you guys. So in that light, I'm gonna read one last thing from someone named Chris who wrote to us on Facebook Ben and he says, Hey, Ben and Matt, I was just wondering if you guys are ever thinking about doing a meet up at all in or around Atlanta. He's just wondering, what do you think it's a trap? No, I'm kidding, I'm getting, I'm getting I want to do this if yeah, if people are interested, we would love to do that. We have talked about doing a live Google hang out again. That was that was pretty cool. It was nice to put the faces with the names of listeners. Um and we found some great topics that we later made into some kick ass episodes. But you know, let us know you guys right to us. As Matt said on Facebook and Twitter, visit our website ww dot stuff. They don't want you to know dot com. That's right, the longest U r L and the business And if you want to be on the air. In a later episode of Listener Mail, go ahead and send us an email. Our address is conspiracy at Discovery dot com. From more on this topic, another unexplained phenomenon, visit test tube dot com slash conspiracy stuff. You can also get in touch on Twitter at the handle at conspiracy stuff.