From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Nola. They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer all mission controlled decades. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. This is part two of our episode on the breach of the US capital in the course of the attempted coup that occurred on January six one. Here are the facts. As we mentioned in our previous episode, we were We've been exploring the facts of the matter as they occur at the time, from the rally to the blow by blow of the invasion the evacuation. We do hope that you have listened to the first part of that episode. As we alluded to at the end of part one of that episode, this part of the episode is also being recorded. On January seven, we are entering the realm of some speculation. We're trying our best to stick with things that have been proven. However, we do want to issue the disclaimer that some of the things we discussed today maybe answered between the time we record this episode and the time it publishes on Monday. That's right, folks, this is a full episode coming to you on Monday. We will air a strange news segment later in the week, So hold type for that. As a matter of fact, hold tight in general, because things are getting very murky, very quickly. Here's where it gets crazy. Chaos, gentlemen, chaos and fatalities. We talked about. We raised a point earlier about why we have made the decision not to refer to this group of insurrectionists as protesters. I think we can agree there is a hell of a difference between smashing the window of a Starbucks and invading a nation's capital while Congress is in session in hopes of subverting democracy, or, as the supporters of these acts would argue, attempting to save democracy. I guess either way you slice it, fatalities occurred. Uh. Fatalities are always going to be a tragedy, whether or not you agree with the person, whether or not you agree with their actions that led to their demise. At four pm on January six one, a woman was shot as the mob stormed to the Capital, scaling walls breaking windows to gain entry. A San Diego resident named Ashley Babbitt was shot in the chest by law enforcement as she attempted to enter the building through one of the broken windows. She did not die immediately. She was given medical attention, but did unfortunately pass away. We know a little bit more about her as as the news emerged, but for a long time she was simply acknowledged as the unidentified first injury and then the first fatality. Later reports the site three more fatalities from what was originally described just vaguely as medical conditions. We do have the answers on those now, I'll go ahead and give it to you. The reports say that one of the fatalities was a heart attack in reaction to a flashband grenade. The second face tality was a fall thirty foot fall off scaffolding from the Capitol building. And then the third fatality um individual carrying a taser accidentally taste himself and as a result, had a fatal heart attack. It's easy to sneaker at that one a little bit, but like you said, every death is a is a tragedy, and that scaffolding would have been those um uh scaffolding on either side and the lawn that were set up for the inauguration coming up. I'm not mistaken. Yeah, we we should mention also, I don't think we got to it in the first part of this series, but there were other things erected by the mobs, such as a gallows, which is a very loaded symbol. But a gallows was erected with people in the crowd chanting that they were going to hang Nancy Pelosi's the house. Uh. Then I believe a large cross was erected. I do not know at this point whether it was set a flame. It's also worth mentioning too that just a few days prior, there were let's call them attacks, I guess, or at the very least, acts of intimidation on both Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell's private residences. Um. The Nancy Pelosi was particularly disturbing because it says I was, I say, uh, sack, cancel rents, we want everything. And then there is a severed pigs head with blood strone everywhere, and this is right in front of her garage in San Francisco. And uh, Mitch McConnell vandalism at his UM performative home in Kentucky. And I'll tell you why. I think that's performative. That that vandalism I think was related to the the divisive proposal to provide additional COVID relief for people who are suffering through unemployment and obviously enormous medical bills, as happens anytime someone has an illness in the United States. I say per formative because and this is not just the Ding McConnell. This is common with a lot of lawmakers. You have to have a legal resident residency in the state that you represent or purport to represent. But from what I understand, at least I want to speak for everybody, but what I understand at least, UM McConnell spends the vast majority of his time at his DC residents because you know, like many, uh many members of Congress, he there are times where he needs to spend most of his time in d C. So odds are he was not at the home or at the structure in Kentucky when it was vandalized. And really quickly, also, just to say what I was thinking when you said performative, in addition to that, was it's it's not. It's not a small house, but it's not a monolithic mansion either, So it gives sort of the impression of like, I'm one of you, I'm one of the people. Yeah. I think that's a good point, Noel. And and you know, of course, this is just this is just based on what we see with a lot of politicians. If there's proof that McConnell spends a majority of the time at the Kentucky Residents, then of course, uh, that then that would be that's the fact of the matter. But from what we understand now that that is not the case. And that's not necessarily a bad thing, because when you are in the halls of power like this, you do need to be on the scene pretty frequently. We mentioned a little bit of of reaction from the officials, from the politicians. You may recall that President elect Joe Biden took to stage first before uh current President Donald Trump and called for called for civility, of course, called for into violence, said this is not what American represents, and then specifically called on President Trump to make a statement and for fifteen January six, Donald Trump released a statement. It was taped, not live. Uh. He repeated his belief that the election was stolen and he is convinced, in his opinion, the truth will out. And then he told the insurrectionist quote, we love you, you are very special, following up with you know, I understand where you're coming from, essentially I'm paraphrasing there, and then told them to go home. I do want to point out my my initial reaction on Twitter there, just because I suspected that that taped statement might be taken down off of the platforms he was using at the time, was to quote that specifically, and I said, we love you you are very special. Donald Trump to domestic terrorists January six one. That's my personal Twitter. That does not representative of the views of our network necessarily. That's appen Bowl and HSW on Twitter. It's a it's a it's a great account to follow. Um. I also would add this ties right back into his primary focus on loyalty above all. Um, He's hanging on to this contingent. This is kind of all he has left. This his last ditch effort here, and he is appealing to that sense of loyalty. I love you, I feel your pain. I know you're hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it. Frontloading it with that and then ending it with but go home, Like I'm into what you're doing. I support what you're doing because what you're doing supports me. But but stop or don't you know? I mean, that's the vibe that I got. And that to your earlier point about the use of language, the nuanced use of language here, uh, there is an explicit statement in this taped recording, and in and there in this statement, he explicitly says, we don't want anybody hurt. What do you think about the language of that statement? To me, it's all a deflect the statement and this entire, this entire thing where where earlier in the day he made statements that we discussed in the last episode about how we have to fight and fight really hard and we have to we have to we have to essentially prevent this from happening and do what everything we can to prevent it from happening. And then to say, look, you guys, you know, you guys tried, but let's let's all be feaceful and go home. It's all a deflection off of himself, is what it feels like to me. Um, And I know that's I know some people will take issue with that, but it feels it feels very much like that to me. Yeah. And and around five pm, so about what forty five minutes after this statement is disseminated, officers on the scene do deploy flash band grenades and the tear gas who mentioned earlier, in an attempt to clear remaining members of the mob from the specifically the west side of the capital before that six pm curfew hits. Now, I may have I may have pickled some cucumbers, ruffled some feathers. With the phrase domestic terrorism, it's not an attempt to be hyperbolic, it's not an attempt to be alarmist. Here is why I used that phrase quite deliberately, because at least two i e d s improvised explosive devices were found. The street name for these would be pipe bombs, and they weren't. They weren't just targeting, you know, the the ostensible political opponents of Donald Trump. There was one pipe bomb at the local RNC office. There was one another one at the local d n C office. Uh. There was also there was also more stuff found, but this was on the actual grounds of the capitol. Yeah, there was also a long gun found and a cooler full of molotov cocktails on the capitol grounds along on is it's not quite a sniper rifle. It's something along those lines. It's a long range weapon, right, there could be any rifle, but really it wasn't. It wasn't defined in the moment there, which which means that the specific make has yet to be released or publicly identified, you know what I mean. And I wouldn't be surprised if there's an investigation into you know, chain of ownership for that, fingerprints, things of that nature. But at this point, well, at this point in the story, we are we are post breach, as the news is taken to calling it post invasion, and some others have called it. Uh. The insurrectionist mob has occupied the capital for a number of hours of five hours. I believe that's that's something about, right guys. Yep, yeah, okay, so about five hours they're rooming freely through the offices of Congress. And here again we can see numerous photographs. Um, the phrase we used often in the in the South is telling on themselves. We can see, uh, photos from the insurrectionists as they shout from the floor of the House of the Senate, you know, saying things like, um, Donald Trump won this election. Um I can see one guy's got his feet propped up. I guess is the word in the office of Nancy Pelosi. Uh. There they are. Earlier, as we mentioned, they were taking selfies with some members of law enforcement. They were also posting videos, social streams, photographs on on social media left and right. Uh. Many of these people were not attempting to disguise themselves, neither their their faces, nor their voices, nor mannerisms. And let's not forget that there are also none of them are wearing masks during a global pandemic. Uh. You know, I just wanted to point that out. Not not wearing masks to shield their identity or for them maybe more practical reason of, you know, to to protect themselves and others from COVID. Another popular rallying cry was this is our house. This is our house, because the capital is referred to as the People's house, and that's a reference to that, and they're like, we're taking it back. This is our house. And several several individuals in this group are self identifying, self describing as revolutionaries not protesters. Again, there's a reason there are There are reasons that we were being very specific with the terms here. You can absolutely protests, you can absolutely disagree. As a matter of fact, I would say it is American to do so. We have we have hundreds of years of precedence why this kind of why dissent in some way is important and crucial to the health of the nation. But this is not the same thing. You can see images of this mob roaming door to door shouting, quote, where the are they? Who do you think they're talking about? You know what I mean? I'm pretty sure they're talking about members of Congress. And then as more photos come out, people start delving in, we see particular things that make this look less and less like some attempt at a peaceful occupation. There is an individual who appears to be armed carrying zip ties. This is strong, circumstantial evidence that at least some factions of of these groups intended to either physically harm or physically take possession of members of Congress or their associated staff members. I don't know, do you guys think I'm reading tea leaves there? And that's what I think the zip ties afore I think I think you can say at least one individual was was planning on doing something like that or have that crazy idea. Another thing, I saw quite a lot of baseball bats and just kind of blood Jenny type weapons. You know, I don't like, you know, mob one oh one, like surprised there weren't pitchforks. Just I think we just I agree with everything you guys are saying. I think we just have to keep in mind that there there's a percentage of people who were there who I think you could describe as insurrectionist. There's also a group of people there. I don't know how many, there's no way for for us to know, but a group of people there that were just caught up in that mob mentality after going to that rally and and getting all riled up and and and having some some similar feelings that uh that are of connection to either the president or you know, whatever whatever ideologically is being fought for, that are just they happen to be there, and they happen to continue and now they've found themselves inside the capital. I'm just I think we just have to say that. Yeah, I hope I did a good job establishing that in Part one, as well. But you're right, we do have to we do have to say that. And the one thing I would note, the one reason I'm saying factions or individuals, Matt, rather than simply one person was zip tized, is because if you look at the forums and the time leading up to this again premeditated event, we see people writing, here's our plan, here's what we're gonna do. Are they just being Internet tough guys? Were they all? Were? All those messages from that one guy? I don't know that one only one person is shown with zip tized, though it's a very fair point, agreed, And I can only imagine the moment of realization some of those lesser, uh problematic elements felt when they realized how and over their heads they were and how they went. They took it too far, and now they're getting swept up in something they maybe weren't fully prepared to be a part of. That's true. I mean think about this too. If you look through the photographs, you see people who do not appear as if they came to the capital with the express aim of doing violence to anyone. You see quite elderly people. I think, did you guys see those photographs as well. Yeah, and you can go on live This is one of the best times to use the service live leak. If you go on live leak, you can watch videos. There's one of a Capitol Police officer attempting to prevent a bunch of people from coming up some steps and then getting into another vestibule area and he's got his baton out and you know, saying get back, get back, get back, and attempting to do his best to prevent people from coming up. But he's one person and there's a large, massive people moving towards him, so he, you know, get retreats back up to the stairs where there's a larger number of officers, Capitol Police officers inside the building. And at that point, once once the group moves into this area where the police officers are, and the police officers move in to meet the group, they the officers are fully outnumbered. But the the individual human beings that are there, uh, that are not supposed to be there, are standing their ground and just standing there and refusing to leave. But they're not being violent, and there they don't appear to be. You know, what I heard in the audio was there's no violent things being discussed. It was just they decided they were going to place themselves in that capitol building. Um, and then the police officers at that point cannot respond with force because they are vastly outnumbered in an interior position. So like strategically that because I I just I guess what I'm saying is like, there's so much going on and there's so much chaos, which is the word we use at the very top of this episode that you know, we're what we're doing is giving you, everybody listening, all the varying pieces of the you know, the type the groups that may be involved, and it's so varying. Um, We're just going to give you everything that we have seen. Yeah. Yeah, And to be clear, I'm I'm an absolute agreement on that. I don't wanna seem as though I am somehow not what I'm What one thing I think you guys would find of interest is that there was a stated calculus to this, because in the world of pr they would call something's optics. Right. Uh, there's there's some things that look like really bad optics where you see, um, you see the police, you know, clearly allowing people entry into let's call it an outer perimeter of the capital. So later statements said that the appreciate the use of the word strategic, the strategic plan there or the strategy there. I should say is uh, is that given that these forces are vastly outnumbered, they wanted to create a smaller perimeter that they could defend feasibly, you know what I mean, Because otherwise, if there's just a line that's two or three officers deep, then it could ease get overrun and it could easily get escalated into a very violent situation. So that that is, that is the stated logic. And I love that you're bringing up the fact that there that not all of the officers appeared to be on the same page. That's very very important, you know what I mean. It's not like all of the law enforcement in d C said hey, let's just let's leave this open, let's tear down these barricades and stuff. You can see documented on live leak on other other platforms. You can see people who are clearly just trying their best to maintain some sort of order and to de escalate things even though they are woefully, woefully outnumbered. You can also see I said several times here that this is premeditated. Um You can also see details in these images that I think strongly indicate there was premeditation again in factions of this force. One of the things it would be the T shirts. You could see these T shirts bearing slogans with things like Auschwitz Camp, which is a reference to genocide on World War Two and clearly anti Semitic in nature. You can also see T shirts saying things like Civil War January six one. I'm not I don't have a doctorate in T shirts, but I'm pretty sure those were printed in advance. What do you think? It feels like that's pretty plausible. What's the Auschwitz Camp referencing? I understand referencing like historically, but in this situation, what's it referencing? That's a good question. No, I think I think, without having read an interview with the person wearing that T shirt, I'm pretty sure that it was it was meant to be an anti Semitic message or possibly a Q and on you know, like big picture like Big Brother conspiracy, see kind of reference as if like this administration, uh, this new administration coming in represents you know, Democrats eating babies and you know, rounding people up into camps or something. I mean maybe I'm just throwing that out there. Yeah, maybe it's quite It's possible that there is perhaps some reference we we don't get, but I would argue it's in that kind of phrasing is inseparable from anti semitism a million And you could see other reports of of other T shirts, other paraphernalia, of course, and the building itself was the interior I believe was secured in the early evening, but but crowds remained outside into the night and there was this thing happening. I believe it was episode or first part of this episode. We talked about um, the use of language, both the media and politics. And I don't let me know if you guys noticed this, Matt Noel, I knew we were all watching this. Did you notice that a lot of the anchors seem to be waxing a little bit poetic When they were talking about the curfew, they were like, the light is the curfews at six pm? The sun is already setting on Washington and the country, or like the light is falling on the Capitol, the friscalating dusk light. Every everything has been feeling like a scripted reality show lately, and it's just all part of it. Guys. Mm, that's very good foreshadowing, right, or the simulation perhaps. Uh. And at this point, let's let's pause for just a moment. We'll be back after word from our sponsor to look at some of the immediate aftermath of the events in Washington, d C. All right, and we are back. So and probably what felt like the beginning of the uh, the restoring of order. We did see a larger police force move in and clear the perimeter, clear the steps by the time it was night that there's a lot of concern that this wouldn't happen by nighttime and then all bets are off, you know, because it's it's hard to it's a lot harder to round people up under cover of darkness. Uh. It did seem that that was effectively done. A lot of those tactics of you know, creating a perimeter of human bodies with shields and pushing people back, pushing people back, that was done and the facility was secured insomuch as they felt comfortable reconvening Congress, who began, uh, the continuation of the work they had started earlier in the night. And by this point all of these folks had been you know, in hiding in various rooms. I heard a lot of them talking on a lot of news shows calling in. Everyone asked of them, are you okay? We don't want to give away your location, but are you okay? Uh? And I heard one particular I wish were the gentleman's name, but it was a Republican and he was talking about how he was sort of hold up with a lot of folks from both sides of the aisle literally kind of hiding together, and that conversations were happening, and the texts were being exchanged, and there were a lot of like people kind of changing their perspective on this protest that they were about to do or this ceremonial um, you know, objection to the election results. So that does begin the process that was interrupted so uh suddenly and shockingly earlier in the day. Yeah, yeah, for the for the first time and possibly a while a lot of people were watching c SPAN just tiny point, but that that's something that hit me. Uh. Congress does reconvene and they state they're going to be working into the night to certify the election. Uh. Some prominent members of Congress from the House to the Senate make opening statements. You know what I mean. You'll see Mitch McCaw a making statements, Nancy Pelosi, Schumer. UH. The list goes on and they begin the process or they you know, they're back into the process during this, during this statement and during this this time that you just mentioned. No, you're right, multiple people, multiple members of the House, and about half of those Senate members who had planned to object withdraw their intent to object. In fact, Senator Kelly Loffler from Georgia, this was a senator who was appointed and recently lost the runoff election. UH. Senator Kelly Loffler takes takes the floor and says, given these events, I will no longer support opposition to this electoral college process. So she's essentially saying, at this point, you know, when it comes time to certify stuff for Georgia, she's not going to be She's not going to raise a flag and attempt to trigger, you know, a debate on the legitimacy of those conclusions. And so things wind on and on and on and on. Congress works until UH, or they do this process until three thirty nine am I think it was Eastern time, when the current Vice President Pence finalizes the Electoral College vote tally and declares that the Biden Harris ticket that they are the winners of the election by UM by a vote of three hundred and six to two hundred and thirty two. Before this happens, before we hit three forty in the morning, another thing happens. Current President Donald Trump is banned from Twitter or he's I should say, he's suspended right for very specific amount of time, for twelve hours, and for the first time, I believe is at actually had wheets removed. I believe that's correct. Instead Now previously some had been marked as unconfirmed or even misleading. Fact check kind of little adendies that Twitter was doing it as a way of confronting the allegations that they were contributing to this spread of misinformation. Right right, just so and so um. One thing that was interesting to this, and I think would be interesting to our fellow conspiracy realists in the crowd here, is that Edwards Snowden came out and this is actually on January seven, he said, Facebook officially silences the President of the United States. For better or worse. This will be remembered as a turning point in the battle for control over digital speech, and a lot of people gave him, gave him some gave him some flak about that, you know what I mean, Not everybody agreed. And this all goes back to that power of language and that power of like, what is free speech? When does it cross the line from just expressing one's views to incite others to act? And and you know, and does the weight of the president's words make a difference. And I think the answer is yes to that. But I'm interested in your thoughts, Matt on the language here and if this is censorship or if this is just doing the right thing. Well, I don't have the answer for you if it was the right thing, But I do know that the president's responses to the actions that were taking place, uh, did not calm things down. And they it doesn't seem at least like they were meant to calm things down. It seems like they were meant to, I don't know, to to get whatever aid or advisor was telling him to hey, calm this thing down. It was like to appease that person, is what it felt like to me. Doesn't mean that that's necessarily true. Um. And then that kind of response continued, and it was the response to his responses that got him uh indefinitely and temporarily banned from using the services. The language that was used in the responses did not seem to be calming. It seemed to continue to fullment the anger that was that was being riled up. There. Yeah, I think that's a really good point because um to students point there. What I'm understanding that as is a concern about setting a precedent, because we have to remember, even though these social media platforms and conglomerants, even though they are in bed with intelligence agencies to one degree or another, they are private entities, which means they retain the right to whatever reason they wish uh to refuse service to anyone anywhere, for any reason. Uh. This this becomes um concerning when it HiT's when it like when it runs up against the notion of governmental agencies. Right, because what what happens, like if we uh snowdon said you know, think past the next thirteen or so days, right well, post January, what happens if now the president is um, if Twitter doesn't like you for any reason, you're you're shut down. If if you are if like if Twitter suddenly gets into tangle with the FBI because of some kind of I'm making stuff up here, some kind of Twitter crime, and the FBI, you know, is sill on Twitter, then Twitter can just cut them off. I think it's worth saying too. It's not against the law to lie, right, It's not against the law to spread misinformation. It's again about the intent or about the results. And that's why it's so tricky, because it's like, does he know he's lying? Well, do you know what is against the law though, inciting a riot? Yes? And and that's essentially what was happening, whether the President understood it or not. Um. And Twitter understood it and Facebook understand it. Um. But I totally see what Edward Snowden is saying. He's saying that from the perspective of a whistleblower. Imagine if someone who knows the truth about some terrible thing or some group or you know whatever, and is trying to get that information out however they can and they are silenced. That that is I'm sure from where it is. Yeah, that statement is coming from. Yeah, Yeah, I've heard it. I've heard it freezed as Congress abdicating power two tech companies, which is which is an interesting way to look at it. Uh. We do want to say though. The after after President Trump was suspended from Twitter, there was another statement released, and this statement double down on the claim that the election was rigged, specifically stolen from him, and then it also had the following a comfort asution that there will be quote an orderly transition on January twenty. We alluded to this in part one. This is the closest at the time of this record. This is the closest the current president has come to uh conceding the election. And also important to note it is not the same thing as actually conceding. It's saying I didn't lose, this is rigged, but there will be a peaceful transition on January. What did you guys make of that? That? Yeah, I mean, it's the best we're gonna get. This is a this is a man who is I think pathologically uh just predisposed to to not accepting defeat. I mean, if you if you read his uh the you know, biographies about him and his relationship with his father, like he was basically born and bred uh and had this notion hammered into his head the worst thing in the world to be as a loser, uh and He's acted that way for his entire life and for his entire presidency. In the end, the dangerous thing for me is that it's the same response. It's I am conceding to the notion of the people who need me to say these things. But also I didn't lose and this right, and that he's speaking to people who the people you know, who care about him and his message and are willing to take action for him on his behalf further action potentially excellent point. Let me read the entirety of the statement for anybody who hasn't heard it yet. Is this, even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless, there will be an orderly transition on January. I have always said we would continue our fight to ensure that only legal votes were counted. While this represents the end of the greatest first term in presidential history, it's only the beginning of our fight to make America great again. In the beginning of our fight, man, right, So does that sound like, Matt you said something that really stuck out to me when you were like, it's not the same thing. I remember that, like the in the Great Gallery of of non apologies, it's like, what, what's the what's the like, Oh, I'm sorry you feel like you deserve an apology. Yeah, exactly, I'm sorry you feel I'm sorry you feel that way I hurt you or I'm sorry. If it came off as though I were doing this, that's a little better, but it's still not great. It's not I mean, yeah, So that's why I say it's not actually the same thing as a concession. It's just saying there will be an orderly transition. Yeah. But the scary thing is that it doesn't matter now if he is committing to an orderly transition, if all of his team members are committing to that transition, if it even begins that way and starts going down that way. He has spoken then in that same statement to those people that are willing to take action to try and stop it from happening or to try and save him or protect it. Uh. It really, it's really disheartening and it and it it's scary to be honest, because it doesn't matter if he knows that's what he's done or not that's what he's done now within the hour or we've been recording this, there there was. I was just I was actually googling what c SPAN stands for, because I've never really known um. But while I was googling that, I found within the last hour there was a statement from Kaylee mcinnaney, uh not from Trump himself. She came out, we took no questions and basically parroted back the condemnation type talk that a lot of lawmakers have been coming out with. This is an American this is abhorrent. We condemned this, and then referenced the burning of a church, remember that church that was like the one, like like an example of arson in the summer that they keep pointing to. And I'm not saying that wasn't and that wasn't a non issue, because obviously was. But I feel like it was a little bit overblown the way they described it, as though the church was in flames. It was like a small, easily contained fire, like in the basement or something like that, if I'm not mistaken. But don't let me speak out of turn there, but reference that and said a year ago or whatever ago, I stood in this podium and condemned that and said that was in America, and I do the same thing today. But then God talk about us as when she walks away, just this the general sound of like dissatisfaction. Where's the president is? The is the call that kept coming like why why are you here? Um? Which I think is a fair question. Insider reports are troubling. You know, we're at the stage in the news cycle as we record this, when we hear things that inevitably come from like an anonymous source close to events, or an anonymous source close to the White House, an anonymous source positioned with the Secret Service, right. And that's because these people are many of these people are in to rock at a hard place, very high stakes. UH. That's part of the reason why we're seeing so many resignations from the cabinet. UH. As of now, as we've been recording this, they have not actually been that many arrest considering how many people were involved and how many people are easily identified. The FBI has put out request for assistance identifying people, and UH Internet users have been more than happy right to attempt to assist with that. Many of them, however, not trained investigators not to mention so many of these UH frankly entitled folks kind of knocking on themselves thinking they were justified. Uh, And now like there was one guy from Ohio, um whose name escapes me at the moment, but he you know, posted a selfie video going in facefully revealed, using a personal account with his information and his name, and now he's being docks, you know, not docks, but like you know, I mean, just look up his LinkedIn will know who he is. He's probably gonna lose his job. There was a newly elected lawmaker from gosh, i want to say, West Virginia who also posted a selfie video going in with the big surge, you know, and say said his name out loud. Now he's being called to resign. Um. So people are knocking on themselves on this because there was a certain sense of entitlement that was staggering to me, like of we're we're justified. We can hold up our phones. This is a big moment for us as opposed to like we know we're doing something bad. I don't think a lot of these folks knew they were doing something bad. And the op stuck is just sloppy. I mean, there's one guy who was wearing his work badge clearly displayed don't act surprised when you lose your job for that. Again, we're recording this uh two days before he comes out, so some of that we just want to put up a signpost. Some of the stuff we're talking about now, some of the questions we will pose may well be answered by the time this episode comes out, But as you can tell, hopefully, we're doing our best to be up to the minute with the information that we have. Right now, members of Congress have drawn up articles of impeachment just for if. There's the quick question about this that comes up sometimes is is there a limit on impeachments? Right? Is an impeachment like a one time thing? The answer is no. Technically people can be impeached multiple times. Um, is it unusual for someone to draw up articles of impeachment for someone who is two weeks away from leaving their posts. I would say yes, I would say that's unusual. But these are extraordinary circumstances. The big speculative one is the Amendment, which we covered in a previous episode well, and we talked about the power that Mike Pence did not have to just overturn election results on equivocally, this is a place where the vice president does have a pretty significant role in invoking this. This just in we've got we've got up to the second update from our good old Mission Control. Here. It appears that Vice President Pence has uh publicly stated that he does not plan to invoke the twenty Amendment. When we're talking about the twenty Amendment, by the way, we're talking specifically about what's known as Section four. Section four is unique and the twenty five Amendment because it allows for the non consensual removal of a standing precedent. Section four has never been used in the history of the United States, and it has to do with the acknowledgement of their inability to discharge their civic duty. And I believe the VP invokes it and then it has to be voted on, right, Yeah, so what it's since we've never seen it in use before. In practice, we don't really have a precedent or an understanding for how it would work in this county tree. Even the language of UM the group that has to support this that's to kind of vote for it and take it to Congress, even that's a little bit fuzzy. It does have to be the Vice president, it can be the majority of the cabinet as well, or it can be like a group approved by law by the Congress. I don't know how far the latitude goes there, but we know that, uh, regardless of what other members are involved or what groups that are from, it does count on the VP. Hinges on the VP's decision to invoke, and according to that latest report, the VP has no plans to invoke. Even though the President may not be leaving the office via the vice president and the amendment, there are several positions individuals within the administration who have already decided to leave, to resign um. You know, we're recording this, like we said on Thursday, the seventh of January, so over the weekend there might be more resignations or other things like that that will happen, but as of right now, there's just a few. And you know, you have to think, even though the New York Times or someone from the New York Times is reporting that they amendment won't be invoked by the VP, it doesn't mean that something might change. At least right now, it's not happening, and it has to We just have to imagine that some of the people leaving it's because they disagree with what's going on. They can't handle that. They also some of them may not want to be a part of whatever process would need to take place to impeach the sitting president. Yeah, that's a that's an excellent I think that's an excellent observation. The first one that we know about is a Laying Chow, who resigned in the wake of the riot or the insurrection, was serving as Secretary of Transportation. We shall also mentioned, by the way that Chow is the spouse of Mitch McConnell himself, and Mitch McConnell in that state, when Congress reconvened, took a strident stance against uh, the current President, Donald Trump, who was also you know, they're of the same political party ostensibly, though those parties may well split. We may be looking at the German nation the genesis of something different in the near future. UH. At this point, we need to make space to talk about some of the conspiracy theories speculation that have proliferated like wildfire in the wake of these events. And we'll do that afterward from our sponsor and we're back. One of the conspiracy theories that proliferated and thrived immediately after this, not even immediate laughter during the events on January six was the idea that these people overrunning the Capitol were not actually Trump supporters, that they were not actually people who had attended the rally, or they were not UM, they were not supporters of the current president who had planned to overrun the capital, that they were instead agent provocateurs of a sort. That they were we'll say that they were Antifa, and that they had planned and disguised themselves UH as part of an orchestrated attempt to discredit the claims of the Trump administration that the election was fraudulent. UH. In each alleged case that we've seen so far, Again, some new information might emerge. In each alleged case that we've seen so far, the claims have been disproven, Like there have been people who are identified as being both at one of the protests over and then being at the rally or the capital in January six. But in each of those each of those cases where those people have been identified, it turns out that they are in fact UH supporters of the administration, or they are affiliated with one of those associated groups like we named earlier Proud Boys Q and on both keepers three per centers and so on. This is a really familiar argument though, right, didn't we see the same kind of thing thrown around with the BLM protests and you know, all the around George Floyd that there were agent provocateur We did a whole episode on agent provocateurs that was largely around that event. Yeah, I think I think we have to just at least say that maybe that was a part of it, but we currently can't prove it. Yeah, Yeah, that's what we've got to be careful to say. Like again, in the claims that we have seen, the ones that point to a specific person, those have been those have been disproven unless that person is like a sleeper agent for years and years level of antifa or anti fascism. And this also leads into the idea of um, the entire thing being orchestrated, right, because there are many people who would who would argue that the Establishment Democratic Party the Establishment Republican Party are fingers on a hand. And I do have to say in in certain instances, there is clear collusion between those parties and they have been much less antagonistic toward one another in back rooms than they have been in the public sphere at Yeah. Yeah, but in this case, in this case, we just haven't seen proof yet. If there is proof, of course we would want to see it. There's another there's another thing. The notes for this show are so crazy because it says, just like, we have three different sections called the aftermath. Did you notice after after aftermath, and the aftermath? Right? Uh, well, let's talk about let's talk about a larger horizon. You know, in these situations it is so difficult to look beyond the next moment, the next hour, the next announcement. We we have this um I would say, to a degree necessary myopia that comes, that comes into play. But if we look beyond the horizon, similar to what Snowdon was was referring to, this may well be just the beginning of other similar events. Oh we didn't even did we mention this? I think we did. Yeah, we did mention this. Multiple other states capitals and multiple other states capitals within a experienced similar events, including Georgia. So air Bowser of DC declared a public emergency in addition to that curfew, and that extends up to January twenty, the date of the inauguration. And I believe the inauguration itself is going to be virtual due to COVID. Is that correct? I mean, I imagine that it'll be ceremonial and it will take place on the grounds as it normally would, but it won't be They'll keep up pasure as hell if they weren't before, they're going to now keep a tight perimeter on that capital building. Yeah, it's true, and we can only imagine that even as a virtual event, security will be much higher than it was in the capital. M You know, regardless of how you voted in the US or how you feel about protests, which long time listeners, you know, we strongly support the right at times the responsibility to protest. Uh, there's no denying that this this was to a degree planned. And while to earlier points not all members of this group may or these groups may have showed up plan to do this to overrun the capital, many did. This was planned not just in d C, but in multiple other places. What were the motivations of this group? In many cases, those involved do seem to genuinely believe the outcome of the presidential election is incorrect, but many holding there's something interesting, and I know we've all seen it. A lot of the elected officials who held this position before January six, whether or not they recanted their opposition. They were objecting to the same ballots that got them elected. So they would say this thing is rigged. I mean, not my part, not my part, just the part I don't agree with. It's it's just the kind of it's the kind of stuff, the sort of double speak that really does make your head spend where it's like, yeah, I agree with this is until the moment that it goes against me. And and all of these notions like that. You know, if you hear that call with Rathensburger, Trump's talking about these voting machines and like, you know, really drilling down into like, oh, we're the dominion people coming in and removing parts from the machines and installing new parts, and they're just like no. He's like are you sure, and they're like yes, So, I mean, it is so much of this stuff. There was a whole thing where there was a video of um, something happened where like some things were under a table or a skirt around like a table and and they're referred to as being suitcases. And he's referring to like the shredding of ballots and all this stuff, all things that the Rathlisberger and the you know, election officials here in Georgia were able to disprove very cleanly. Um, And yet it just keeps coming up. You just keep repeating it and repeating it and and repeating, and people just eventually kind of just believe the repetition rather than the because because because the allegations are sexier than the disproving of the allegations in some degree, especially it's almost yeah, but especially if it supports your thing, you know, your belief. And I don't think it's a matter of people being stupid. I just think belief is a powerful thing. And Trump is really good at inspiring loyalty. And when you repeat things over and over and over again, people react. And it's not about intellect, and it's some very smart people that have fallen down that rabbit hole for other things. Yeah, speaking of this date, January six, is not something that just popped up out of nowhere. We talked about it earlier in the first episode a little bit. We talked about it in this episode a little bit. Um. It was telegraphed by a lot of people on different forums. There were Q and On supporters that discussed the date. Trump himself tweeted that this is a date to remember, January six, um. And they were all proud boys too, for sure. And we're talked about the T shirts that were printed out, right, Uh, we we know that it takes time to print T shirts and mass It's not like they were just made all of a sudden and um. You know, you take the internet forums and you will see people discussing this date and where they're going to be in in how they're gonna make this happen. And you can argue that that's for the Save America rally that was planned, right, that was a thing that was gonna take place, and maybe they were just gonna go check out the rally itself. But if you look deeper into those forums and what's being discussed, you'll see that there's probably some intention here, at least on the part of some individuals. There's a really interesting somebody that I want to read up more on, a historian from the University of Chicago that was making a lot of the press rounds yesterday. Um. Her name is Kathleen Blue, and she's an assistant professor of history at the University of Chicago, and she wrote a book called Bring the War Home. The White Power movement and paramilitary America. Uh And she identified the following um from symbology from hand signs, et cetera. She said, I think that we're looking at a broad array of people that include Q and on believers, a conspiracy theorist, some parts of Trump's most devoted base that's its own thing, and then some activists who have been organizing quite opportunistically towards the overthrow of the US and it's democratic institutions for decades, opportunistically a k A. Not ideologically aligned with any of this, just using it as a springboard to achieve their ends. I think that is what you'd call an agent provocateur, right, Yeah, I'm I'm interested in the internal like the citizens who have those views and are working internally to make that happen. But I'm way more interested in foreign powers that are seeing this as an opportunistic moment um. But but we we can talk about that. Yeah, yes, so this was to your pointment, this was telegraphed well in advance their multiple forms. There are multiple great reporting investigative outlets predicting this a long time ago and just zeroing in increasingly on the specifics of the n and those those forum plans do include uh, explicit stated goals of you know, attacking the press and things like that. And therefore I would argue any claim of surprise on the part of law enforcement or politicians or remains suspect. It's sus as you would say in the game among us. There are only a few possibilities for not knowing something like this was brewing. They are an engregious level of incompetence or willful ignorance ahead in the sand kind of vibe. There's a third possibility, the quiet part. Not a ton of mainstream outlets are saying aloud collusion. So check out our earlier episode on extremist infiltration in the military and UH and and in law enforcement candidly UH. Also, you know, UH President elect Joe Biden came out today as we were recording this and and pointed out explicitly he said, look, there's no way around it. UH. Everybody knows that Black Lives Matter protesters were treated differently than the folks in d C yesterday and paraphrasing here, but you can find a speech and full UH. Law enforcement did signal this too far right groups to folks who were opportunistically piggybacking on this stuff, and I'll get to the thing about foreign powers to excite agreement. That's crucial. Um law enforcement was every every time there was a radically get a different response two far left versus far right protesters, that was taken as a signal, right, that was taken as the idea that that was taken as saying, we will not come down on you as hard nor as definitively as we've come down on other groups. So you've heard it before, if you've listen in this show for a while, who often maintained we teach people how to treat us. While that sounds like a cliche, a truism, a figure speech, it is all three of those things. It rings absolutely true here and this is this is that sentiment on a macro cosmic level. Authorities and law enforcement, whether through negligence, whether through design. Now I don't think this was a unified thing, just to be clear, factions, let's say, law enforcement, whether through negligence or through design, have taught certain genres of extremists that they are literally able to storm the seat of American government with little to no risk of injury, and at this point, little to no risk of serious repercussions. Now again, you know that may change. I imagine the reaction, or I hope the reaction from the federal level is to come down hard in this, you know, in this regard, because I would expect people should get and bubble if they're out stealing podiums from Congress. I don't know. I'm not I'm not the guy in charge of podiums. I'm just guessing. Well, that's certainly been the call from lawmakers from both sides of the aisle. Is part prosecute these you know, uh people to the greatest extent of the law. But you know, there's a lot of bluster involved in politics. Uh, it's almost as though they don't always tell the truth. Um. But yeah, it's certainly something that's been said. It was it was said in that statement from from Trump's camp. So we'll see because the infotrure is out there because right were they weren't trying to hide themselves or their identities one iota. I mean, remember the FBI found one protester last year via Etsy of all things. You guys remember that. But but this is met the point you raise. I don't want to lose it because it is so crucial. This is a gold mine for foreign countries and non state actors that are antagonistic to the US. Aside from being in an international embarrassment of the highest order, it weakens the US position in the world during a very turbulent time. China is becoming increasingly authoritarian. Uh, the doomsday clock of the Middle East powder keg is just like it's just hovering, you know, a few milliseconds, a few figurative milliseconds, I should say, before midnight. So, like, how how bad can this get? Military allies abroad we were talking about this off air. Military allies abroad have come forward and they have said not us, not not US as in the show, not US as in the US government. Military allies in other countries that we work with have gone on record saying they believe the current president deliberately conspired to incite a coup. And they took it a step further, folks, they said this plan may have occurred with assistance from federal level law enforcement officials. I don't, I don't know what do you think about that? Those are heavy, heavy words. Yeah, No, I mean, I'm I'm I'm with it. That's wanted and from from my part, end with a quote from a tweet from that Kathleen Blue who I just mentioned, Um, she said, getting lots of notes. So for those who need to hear this, it feels this bad because it wasn't a protest. The sadness and rage comes from seeing a terrorist attack only by sheer luck was it not a bombing? And we know that it could have been because there were bombs, uh and there's ample reason to think we could have seen assassinations. Yeah, and it stinks, but we we may still, you know, And that that's why this is so so freaky, because it hasn't stopped, and there has you know. It's it's like lighting a fuse and there's no real way to to turn it off. It's made out of that special substance where it's very difficult to stop that fuse from being from continuing to uh burn, you know. Yeah, yeah sources Prince for sure. Um, those those buckets just they're gonna keep going. But I guess what I mean is if there's if there are foreign intelligence agencies that are looking in and saying, wow, yeah this is serious. If there's actionable intelligence, I implore you everyone out there and am I five or six or seven, or where whoever you are, wherever you are, Uh, let let us know, or send some stuff to Snowed and let him let him let us know, because, um, it definitely feels weird to me, Like we've been doing this show for long enough, We've been looking at some of these weird things for long enough that it feels as though the actions that were taken could have been, even without the sitting president's knowledge, used against the United States by some foreign intelligence group or you know, military that's planning to cause harm to the United States on purpose. It felt that way. Yeah, I mean, consider also the massive opportunity to breach security in a way that hasn't existed before. What if and we're just speculating here, what if? What if you are a foreign intelligence operative on the ground at these protests, you say, oh, we're getting into the capital, We're getting into the offices of Congress. They have their emails are open, they're still logged in, you know what I mean. Like I can look at the screen, I could send an email as this congress person right now. Maybe I'll just sit right and saw malware. That's probably more realistic than what I was gonna say, like maybe they're just gonna send an email to their keeper and go lull. But but I mean, it's true. It's a massive security leak. There was a guy who got out of because these people weren't really getting searched when they were getting moved. So there's there's a photograph of somebody with a piece of congressional mail and just took it with him right as the guy was that was that's correct. There's also a note left in uh that congress person's desk that says, we will not back down. Uh surprised nobody like took a dump in her drawer or something like that. There's speculation that someone urinated. Yeah. There. There's also there's also a speculation, increasingly um increasingly focused speculation that this this is the first volley of something bigger, right, like what happened? You know, I saw some again, we don't. I don't know how much cream is to give these sauce statements where someone's like, we're coming back January, you know, like we have we have learned that we can do we have learned that we can do this. Um. Regardless of what you think about that, Uh, it's true some of the forces involved with attacking the capital are going to see this as a victory, you know what I mean. They're not going to see it as like, oh, we got defeated because they breached the capital. And now you know again, we don't have all the answers we want to hear from you, folks. 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