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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of iHeartRadio.

Hello, welcome back to the show.

Hello, welcome back to the show.

My name is Matt, my name is Noah. They call me Ben.

My name is Matt, my name is Noah. They call me Ben.

We're joined as always with our super producer, all mission control decads. Most importantly, you are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. Strange news for strange days, strange days. Indeed, we're going to explore some irony in the world of NFTs. We're going to explore us some regulation, the consequences thereof, and the necessity thereof. And before we get into any of that, uh, we found now that there's always a list of heist every time we do this strange news segment. I don't know if we want to save those for the end or if we want to just run through them. Now, what do you guys think?

We're joined as always with our super producer, all mission control decads. Most importantly, you are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. Strange news for strange days, strange days. Indeed, we're going to explore some irony in the world of NFTs. We're going to explore us some regulation, the consequences thereof, and the necessity thereof. And before we get into any of that, uh, we found now that there's always a list of heist every time we do this strange news segment. I don't know if we want to save those for the end or if we want to just run through them. Now, what do you guys think?

Oh? Man, you know I love a good ridiculous heist. I'd say dealer's choice.

Oh? Man, you know I love a good ridiculous heist. I'd say dealer's choice.

Frankly, I think at the end would be great. Okay, Well, you know one thing we haven't done. Have we spoken a loud about how much fun we had at the This Is Important Live show.

Frankly, I think at the end would be great. Okay, Well, you know one thing we haven't done. Have we spoken a loud about how much fun we had at the This Is Important Live show.

Oh, we have that publicly, we should make a statement.

Oh, we have that publicly, we should make a statement.

Yes, let's put it out and let's get you know, I actually am applying to be a notary later, so we can we can stamp stuff.

Yes, let's put it out and let's get you know, I actually am applying to be a notary later, so we can we can stamp stuff.

Yeah, just like.

Yeah, just like.

What is a little bit easier than the other. Actually we could do you.

What is a little bit easier than the other. Actually we could do you.

Get your own personalized like stamp one of those big, thick, chunky boys. I think you too, awesome.

Get your own personalized like stamp one of those big, thick, chunky boys. I think you too, awesome.

We could the three of us could make a day of it. If you guys want to go become notaries. I think it's a very unnecessary power. But you know who doesn't love stamps.

We could the three of us could make a day of it. If you guys want to go become notaries. I think it's a very unnecessary power. But you know who doesn't love stamps.

It's a cool micro superpower. I would argue. There you go.

It's a cool micro superpower. I would argue. There you go.

Well, despite none of us currently being notaries, Matt, you raise an excellent point, we did, indeed get to meet some of our I think it's fair to call the guy's comedy heroes.

Well, despite none of us currently being notaries, Matt, you raise an excellent point, we did, indeed get to meet some of our I think it's fair to call the guy's comedy heroes.

Would we agree with that?

Would we agree with that?

Well, definitely guys that we look up to because they're about our same age. They've been incredibly successful and created some of the most iconic characters that were on TV for years. So yeah, I mean the workaholics guys. You now have a show called This Is important. If you don't know about it, you should be listening to it. If you're okay with let's call it blue humor.

Well, definitely guys that we look up to because they're about our same age. They've been incredibly successful and created some of the most iconic characters that were on TV for years. So yeah, I mean the workaholics guys. You now have a show called This Is important. If you don't know about it, you should be listening to it. If you're okay with let's call it blue humor.

Maybe.

Maybe.

But it was just a tremendously fun show and those guys as individuals were extremely kind and not what you expect when you get warned all the time about meeting somebody you look up.

But it was just a tremendously fun show and those guys as individuals were extremely kind and not what you expect when you get warned all the time about meeting somebody you look up.

To and that won't do it.

To and that won't do it.

Yeah, that was not the case with those guys.

Yeah, that was not the case with those guys.

It so cool too, Like I had. The venue they performed at was this really posh, cool theater where they often do like ballets and like you know, like classical music performances, the cob Energy Center, And I've only been there one time prior to see the Icelandic art rock band seeger ROAs. It was just it just felt like such an interesting swath of creativity from siegar ROAs to Workaholics guys you know talking about tie Buttholes. It was.

It so cool too, Like I had. The venue they performed at was this really posh, cool theater where they often do like ballets and like you know, like classical music performances, the cob Energy Center, And I've only been there one time prior to see the Icelandic art rock band seeger ROAs. It was just it just felt like such an interesting swath of creativity from siegar ROAs to Workaholics guys you know talking about tie Buttholes. It was.

It was fantastic and Workaholics was a fantastic show. Before that, they did something called mail Order Comedy on YouTube where you can see you can see some of the early pure sketch work that they did. We're talking about our our pals, Adam Kyle Blake and Onders. These guys were, as you said, Matt, absolutely electric in their live show. We got to meet them briefly after the show, and yeah, it was just it was just a fantastic time, you know what. Shout out as well to our pal super producer an A. Josnier, who was the entire reason we got to hang out.

It was fantastic and Workaholics was a fantastic show. Before that, they did something called mail Order Comedy on YouTube where you can see you can see some of the early pure sketch work that they did. We're talking about our our pals, Adam Kyle Blake and Onders. These guys were, as you said, Matt, absolutely electric in their live show. We got to meet them briefly after the show, and yeah, it was just it was just a fantastic time, you know what. Shout out as well to our pal super producer an A. Josnier, who was the entire reason we got to hang out.

The proverbial hookup, no question about it. Yeah, no, I got fat. As the Beatles would say, a fantastic time was guaranteed for all. I think that's how they said it. Yeah, a splendid time perhaps. Speaking of which, guys, leading with a little fun news story that does really quickly. Have you guys seen this terrible new AI driven Beatles video for this like.

The proverbial hookup, no question about it. Yeah, no, I got fat. As the Beatles would say, a fantastic time was guaranteed for all. I think that's how they said it. Yeah, a splendid time perhaps. Speaking of which, guys, leading with a little fun news story that does really quickly. Have you guys seen this terrible new AI driven Beatles video for this like.

Song, Don't love it.

Song, Don't love it.

It's so bad. It's like, this is what AI should never be used for. They used AI on the audio of John Lennon's vocal that he recorded on a cassette just to make it sound nicer, and then they, you know, the Living Beatles overdubbed their parts and stuff. But the video is just the most quintessentially bad. Like green screen. It's like, you know, modern day Paul McCartney, modern day Ringo star superimposed with like Sergeant Pepper era George Harrison, like he's right there, but it looks so flat and weird, and it's just it's really bad. Shame on you, Peter Jackson, Shame on you. I know, I know he can't win them all.

It's so bad. It's like, this is what AI should never be used for. They used AI on the audio of John Lennon's vocal that he recorded on a cassette just to make it sound nicer, and then they, you know, the Living Beatles overdubbed their parts and stuff. But the video is just the most quintessentially bad. Like green screen. It's like, you know, modern day Paul McCartney, modern day Ringo star superimposed with like Sergeant Pepper era George Harrison, like he's right there, but it looks so flat and weird, and it's just it's really bad. Shame on you, Peter Jackson, Shame on you. I know, I know he can't win them all.

But also I think it's a fantastic, fantastic arrow in the quiver of sag Aftra's argument about the AI characterization.

But also I think it's a fantastic, fantastic arrow in the quiver of sag Aftra's argument about the AI characterization.

I wonder if that was intentional on mister Jackson this or our dear friend of the show, Jordan runtalg has a theory then, because you know, obviously the Get Back documentary was such a smash and really brought the Beatles back into the top of people's minds, you know, in the modern era, a lot of people discovering them for the first time. And his theory is that Peter Jackson is so integral to like the next phase of Beatles, like you know, marketing and selling and figuring out how to like restore old stuff with his like proprietary AI technology, that they just let him run with whatever piece of he turned in because they didn't want to cross him.

I wonder if that was intentional on mister Jackson this or our dear friend of the show, Jordan runtalg has a theory then, because you know, obviously the Get Back documentary was such a smash and really brought the Beatles back into the top of people's minds, you know, in the modern era, a lot of people discovering them for the first time. And his theory is that Peter Jackson is so integral to like the next phase of Beatles, like you know, marketing and selling and figuring out how to like restore old stuff with his like proprietary AI technology, that they just let him run with whatever piece of he turned in because they didn't want to cross him.

I love it, conspira.

I love it, conspira.

I think it's an interesting it's very on brand with the show. So sorry. I didn't mean to to derail. I think that's just a neat story that was bugging me, and I think probably bugging It's basically become an instant meme because it's so laughably absurd looking.

I think it's an interesting it's very on brand with the show. So sorry. I didn't mean to to derail. I think that's just a neat story that was bugging me, and I think probably bugging It's basically become an instant meme because it's so laughably absurd looking.

We do live in the era of uh. We do live in the era of miracles and wonders and instant memes, and sometimes it's difficult not to weep. Shout out to Paul Simon, Yes here as an AI avatar sometime in the future.

We do live in the era of uh. We do live in the era of miracles and wonders and instant memes, and sometimes it's difficult not to weep. Shout out to Paul Simon, Yes here as an AI avatar sometime in the future.

Please God. That song is so good? Is that it's You're a boy with the Boy in the Bubble, Boy in the Some of my most heart wrenching songs are by Simon and Garfunkle and Paul Simon, like the song The Only Living Boy in New York. Every time that song comes on, I weep openly. I'm not going to lie. I weep openly.

Please God. That song is so good? Is that it's You're a boy with the Boy in the Bubble, Boy in the Some of my most heart wrenching songs are by Simon and Garfunkle and Paul Simon, like the song The Only Living Boy in New York. Every time that song comes on, I weep openly. I'm not going to lie. I weep openly.

Losing love is like a window in your heart. You know everyone can see the wind blow this. This may be this feeling of great loss, may be something people are encountering. If you are, like many of us out there, a fan of chicken nuggets, a super convenient food admittedly not super great for you, and it turns out that chicken nuggets are in a bit of a crossroads at the moment. Quite recently, the gargantuan food producer Tyson Foods, which specializes in poultry, announced that it is quote voluntarily unquote recalling around thirty thousand pounds of chicken nuggets. That would be thirteen six hundred and eight kilograms for everybody outside of the United States. And they're doing this massive recall because pieces of pliable metal were found in these products. These are specifically, get this, the fun nuggets, which is the official word for official term for the dino shaped.

Losing love is like a window in your heart. You know everyone can see the wind blow this. This may be this feeling of great loss, may be something people are encountering. If you are, like many of us out there, a fan of chicken nuggets, a super convenient food admittedly not super great for you, and it turns out that chicken nuggets are in a bit of a crossroads at the moment. Quite recently, the gargantuan food producer Tyson Foods, which specializes in poultry, announced that it is quote voluntarily unquote recalling around thirty thousand pounds of chicken nuggets. That would be thirteen six hundred and eight kilograms for everybody outside of the United States. And they're doing this massive recall because pieces of pliable metal were found in these products. These are specifically, get this, the fun nuggets, which is the official word for official term for the dino shaped.

Yeah, the vaguely triceratopsy and stegosaurus and nuggets.

Yeah, the vaguely triceratopsy and stegosaurus and nuggets.

Aka the one Matt fed his son for you.

Aka the one Matt fed his son for you.

Oh, I love them. You know what, you nailed it. They did it right with the brand, and they're fun. You can play a little games with them, be like, I know.

Oh, I love them. You know what, you nailed it. They did it right with the brand, and they're fun. You can play a little games with them, be like, I know.

Right, it's almost like an embedded lesson about uh empowerment.

Right, it's almost like an embedded lesson about uh empowerment.

You know, now, I eat the t rex.

You know, now, I eat the t rex.

So the the issue here is, of course, chicken nuggets occupy their own space and the pantheon of Internet memes and nomenclature, So this gets a lot of attention. But we wanted to give it some attention, specifically to explore some aspects of this story that apply to larger issues. So Tyson released a statement and you can read it free online at their website. They said they're voluntarily recalling approximately thirty pounds of quote frozen fully cooked chicken fun nuggets sold in twenty nine ounce packages. They take pains to say no other Tyson brand products are affected, and again this is the official source. They're saying. A limited number of consumers have reported they found small, pliable metal pieces in the product, and Tyson says, out of an abundance of caution, we are recalling this products as far as we can tell right now. According to the US Food Safety and Inspection Service or THYSIS, there was one report of a minor oral injury, so one person essentially cut the inside of their cheek or their tongue when eating these. I wanted to bring this up because this reminded me of an excellent conversation we had not too long ago about automobile manufacturer recalls.

So the the issue here is, of course, chicken nuggets occupy their own space and the pantheon of Internet memes and nomenclature, So this gets a lot of attention. But we wanted to give it some attention, specifically to explore some aspects of this story that apply to larger issues. So Tyson released a statement and you can read it free online at their website. They said they're voluntarily recalling approximately thirty pounds of quote frozen fully cooked chicken fun nuggets sold in twenty nine ounce packages. They take pains to say no other Tyson brand products are affected, and again this is the official source. They're saying. A limited number of consumers have reported they found small, pliable metal pieces in the product, and Tyson says, out of an abundance of caution, we are recalling this products as far as we can tell right now. According to the US Food Safety and Inspection Service or THYSIS, there was one report of a minor oral injury, so one person essentially cut the inside of their cheek or their tongue when eating these. I wanted to bring this up because this reminded me of an excellent conversation we had not too long ago about automobile manufacturer recalls.

And the formula that they talk about in Fight Club, right like, if X plus Y plus blah blah blah divided by so and so equals the is less than the cost of a recall, then they don't do it.

And the formula that they talk about in Fight Club, right like, if X plus Y plus blah blah blah divided by so and so equals the is less than the cost of a recall, then they don't do it.

Yeah, there's something else that just happened in the news and I'm trying to recall it right now DLS. Yeah, well, yeah, exactly. It's decals that go on the front of steering wheels that it's apparently a popular thing that I was unaware of.

Yeah, there's something else that just happened in the news and I'm trying to recall it right now DLS. Yeah, well, yeah, exactly. It's decals that go on the front of steering wheels that it's apparently a popular thing that I was unaware of.

Therese like emblem things or like the badge badge type deals.

Therese like emblem things or like the badge badge type deals.

Oh yeah, maybe that's exactly what it is. But you put it literally on your steering wheel, like where the horn might be or in that area where the air bag deploys.

Oh yeah, maybe that's exactly what it is. But you put it literally on your steering wheel, like where the horn might be or in that area where the air bag deploys.

Something additional. I mean, like my car has the car logo in the center of the steering wheel.

Something additional. I mean, like my car has the car logo in the center of the steering wheel.

It's a it's a third party, aftermarket thing that goes on top of like where the logo would be. And there was one case gosh it was tangentially related to another recall. But it becomes a projectile, like especially ones that have rhinestones on them, that that's a very popular thing, like you get some bird shot.

It's a it's a third party, aftermarket thing that goes on top of like where the logo would be. And there was one case gosh it was tangentially related to another recall. But it becomes a projectile, like especially ones that have rhinestones on them, that that's a very popular thing, like you get some bird shot.

Basically, yeah, it's like a chuck on blast of the face.

Basically, yeah, it's like a chuck on blast of the face.

I didn't think rhinestones could be worse than they already are. Wow, Okay, because this is new to me, Matt, I was. I was immediately thinking maybe it's the aftermarket, you know, the grips that go around wheels that have all kinds of nasty chemicals in them, or.

I didn't think rhinestones could be worse than they already are. Wow, Okay, because this is new to me, Matt, I was. I was immediately thinking maybe it's the aftermarket, you know, the grips that go around wheels that have all kinds of nasty chemicals in them, or.

The fuzzy ones. Have you ever seen the fuzzy ones like troll doll hair.

The fuzzy ones. Have you ever seen the fuzzy ones like troll doll hair.

Well, be safe, folks, and maybe maybe take off the vanity stickers. You know. The scary thing about the world and humanity is there's probably someone who has a little vanity badge right there in the center of the steering wheel. But it's a mirror, so they watch themselves American psycho style while they drive.

Well, be safe, folks, and maybe maybe take off the vanity stickers. You know. The scary thing about the world and humanity is there's probably someone who has a little vanity badge right there in the center of the steering wheel. But it's a mirror, so they watch themselves American psycho style while they drive.

That seems extra dangerous and fame and maybe sort of like, you know, maybe you got it coming. No one, no one deserves that. But boy, that would explode because you know, if the if the airbag deployed, it would just be like a final destination scenario, you know, even with a little small mirror potentially.

That seems extra dangerous and fame and maybe sort of like, you know, maybe you got it coming. No one, no one deserves that. But boy, that would explode because you know, if the if the airbag deployed, it would just be like a final destination scenario, you know, even with a little small mirror potentially.

Yeah, well, even like you were saying, with a with any kind of textured badging there, right, because you can look at a steering wheel and usually you can see the creases or perforations, yes, where there's in the way. Yeah, yeah, Relief's a good way to put it so, recalls are important.

Yeah, well, even like you were saying, with a with any kind of textured badging there, right, because you can look at a steering wheel and usually you can see the creases or perforations, yes, where there's in the way. Yeah, yeah, Relief's a good way to put it so, recalls are important.

Uh.

Uh.

They are a part of business for automobile manufacturers. They are also, it turns out, a part of business for large monopolistic food manufacturers. And this is not the first brush Tyson Foods has had with recalls or recalls. There's a great article we want to shout out from BBC News by annabel Leong, and in this the journalist points out that as recently as twenty nineteen, Tyson Foods had another recall of chicken nuggets. This time it was not small, pliable metal pieces, just random pieces of blue rubber.

They are a part of business for automobile manufacturers. They are also, it turns out, a part of business for large monopolistic food manufacturers. And this is not the first brush Tyson Foods has had with recalls or recalls. There's a great article we want to shout out from BBC News by annabel Leong, and in this the journalist points out that as recently as twenty nineteen, Tyson Foods had another recall of chicken nuggets. This time it was not small, pliable metal pieces, just random pieces of blue rubber.

Again, it sounds like a case where in the giant manufacturing process to make these something fell in right and got ground up nice and good.

Again, it sounds like a case where in the giant manufacturing process to make these something fell in right and got ground up nice and good.

With the rest of the chicken pieces and all the grasshoppers.

With the rest of the chicken pieces and all the grasshoppers.

That's there's no doubt in there. As well, after Tyson's recent acquisition of that insect protein company.

That's there's no doubt in there. As well, after Tyson's recent acquisition of that insect protein company.

The soldier flies.

The soldier flies.

Sir, sorry, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Respect their service. The soldier flies the internet, pay me no mind. This is not what's happening. This is definitely I'm serious.

Sir, sorry, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Respect their service. The soldier flies the internet, pay me no mind. This is not what's happening. This is definitely I'm serious.

So we already know that there is an ongoing controversy with these formed chicken proteins, right. You find them in Tyson, you find them anywhere in the United States, often at fast food locations. Of course, McDonald's has to take the hit. McDonald's famously a real estate company that happens to sell snacks. They also get in trouble.

So we already know that there is an ongoing controversy with these formed chicken proteins, right. You find them in Tyson, you find them anywhere in the United States, often at fast food locations. Of course, McDonald's has to take the hit. McDonald's famously a real estate company that happens to sell snacks. They also get in trouble.

What I would.

What I would.

Say every two year basis a bi annual basis for certain controversies about what they're actually putting in their nuggies, as the Internet calls them. Interesting to know. Also, you guys, the same year, twenty nineteen, Tyson recalled millions of pounds of chicken strips because of concerns, again a proactive voluntary recall, concerns that they might also be contaminated with metal and matt To your point, I believe you are correct. I believe that it's a problem of scale, right, and a problem of subcontracting out to things. There is a growing controversy which will probably be even more mainstreamed in coming months or years, regarding the use of child labor in some of these agricultural concerns. And I know, I think it was just last year Tyson shut down several chicken processing plants in the United States because during the pandemic. Demand for chicken started to go down until at inflection point. I hate you that term, but it's true. It's apt here an inflection point occurred beef and pork in general became more and more expensive. We all remember that part, right, do you guys?

Say every two year basis a bi annual basis for certain controversies about what they're actually putting in their nuggies, as the Internet calls them. Interesting to know. Also, you guys, the same year, twenty nineteen, Tyson recalled millions of pounds of chicken strips because of concerns, again a proactive voluntary recall, concerns that they might also be contaminated with metal and matt To your point, I believe you are correct. I believe that it's a problem of scale, right, and a problem of subcontracting out to things. There is a growing controversy which will probably be even more mainstreamed in coming months or years, regarding the use of child labor in some of these agricultural concerns. And I know, I think it was just last year Tyson shut down several chicken processing plants in the United States because during the pandemic. Demand for chicken started to go down until at inflection point. I hate you that term, but it's true. It's apt here an inflection point occurred beef and pork in general became more and more expensive. We all remember that part, right, do you guys?

Sure?

Sure?

Did you get sticker shocked at some point?

Did you get sticker shocked at some point?

This it's definitely been a bell weather by which a lot of folks are measuring inflation and just in general, how much more expensive it is to like live is grocery bells.

This it's definitely been a bell weather by which a lot of folks are measuring inflation and just in general, how much more expensive it is to like live is grocery bells.

There's a oh gosh, I want to say, a three star restaurant in Belfest that is shutting down because it's too expensive to carry on creating food at the level that they want to create food. So they said, it's just impossible to get enough people who are able to pay for the food into their restaurant now, even in a major city like Belfast, they just can't do it. So they're gonna completely redo this three Michelin star restaurant into something that's affordable for people to eat.

There's a oh gosh, I want to say, a three star restaurant in Belfest that is shutting down because it's too expensive to carry on creating food at the level that they want to create food. So they said, it's just impossible to get enough people who are able to pay for the food into their restaurant now, even in a major city like Belfast, they just can't do it. So they're gonna completely redo this three Michelin star restaurant into something that's affordable for people to eat.

Wow, I mean, and that's something people who are in the restaurant industry, many of our fellow conspiracy realist can witness anywhere and their own neck of the global woods. You know, restaurants have always been a cutthroat business with razor thin margins, and if anything shifts in the wrong direction, then your business all of a sudden is non viable unless you become a nonprofit you know what I mean. So what we're looking at here is a problem of monopolistic control over things. It's simply like, yes, it's all grand and Pollyannon fiddle dd to say to say, oh, I am at a point in life where I only get organic food, I only get farm to table stuff. I know the name of every animal I eat. But that's simply not realistic for the vast majority of people, which means that these businesses, these large interests, are going to continue. At this point, before we go to our ad break, we've got to say it's a bit of a it's a bit of a dilemma. Tyson does feed people. The livestock industry, especially the poultry industry, as it exists today, is a horror show by most measures, by almost any ethical measure. I would like to end by saying we are going to follow up on this. Good luck to the people at Tyson who are reporting to their shareholders. We're reporting their latest quarterly earnings on November thirteenth, and shout out to the latest Rick and Morty episode as we record for anyone who hasn't seen it, it is exactly about stuff like this, and it starts with a story about spaghetti. So we're gonna pause for a word from our sponsor and we'll be back with more strange news.

Wow, I mean, and that's something people who are in the restaurant industry, many of our fellow conspiracy realist can witness anywhere and their own neck of the global woods. You know, restaurants have always been a cutthroat business with razor thin margins, and if anything shifts in the wrong direction, then your business all of a sudden is non viable unless you become a nonprofit you know what I mean. So what we're looking at here is a problem of monopolistic control over things. It's simply like, yes, it's all grand and Pollyannon fiddle dd to say to say, oh, I am at a point in life where I only get organic food, I only get farm to table stuff. I know the name of every animal I eat. But that's simply not realistic for the vast majority of people, which means that these businesses, these large interests, are going to continue. At this point, before we go to our ad break, we've got to say it's a bit of a it's a bit of a dilemma. Tyson does feed people. The livestock industry, especially the poultry industry, as it exists today, is a horror show by most measures, by almost any ethical measure. I would like to end by saying we are going to follow up on this. Good luck to the people at Tyson who are reporting to their shareholders. We're reporting their latest quarterly earnings on November thirteenth, and shout out to the latest Rick and Morty episode as we record for anyone who hasn't seen it, it is exactly about stuff like this, and it starts with a story about spaghetti. So we're gonna pause for a word from our sponsor and we'll be back with more strange news.

And we're back, and you know what else is back? Fellas McRib I hope, So what's what's what's mcribs season?

And we're back, and you know what else is back? Fellas McRib I hope, So what's what's what's mcribs season?

It's like it's like a cthulhu?

It's like it's like a cthulhu?

Uh, I mean literally, what time of the year is it?

Uh, I mean literally, what time of the year is it?

The theory is it depends on global pork presses.

The theory is it depends on global pork presses.

I don't know, but okay, maybe I don't.

I don't know, but okay, maybe I don't.

Think that's actually true.

Think that's actually true.

And overall it's it's a fun thing to think about. Well, the pumpkin spice lette is back for sure, which just goes by PSL. Sometimes people will say PSL for pumpkin spice lettey and I know it's pronounced lata is being a fancy boy. But another acronym that hasn't bitted the news as much lately NFTs. Maybe remember those million dollar gifts or whatever there were gifts, There were JPEGs there were you know, ones that moved, there were little video loops. Uh, it was non fungible tokens.

And overall it's it's a fun thing to think about. Well, the pumpkin spice lette is back for sure, which just goes by PSL. Sometimes people will say PSL for pumpkin spice lettey and I know it's pronounced lata is being a fancy boy. But another acronym that hasn't bitted the news as much lately NFTs. Maybe remember those million dollar gifts or whatever there were gifts, There were JPEGs there were you know, ones that moved, there were little video loops. Uh, it was non fungible tokens.

Oh, I thought it was non fungi tepano.

Oh, I thought it was non fungi tepano.

Yeah. The top of nod, Yeah, it's it's it's it's a it's a top of nod that does not contain mushrooms, which is no top of nod of mine, let me tell you or none that I'm interested in, I uh in any case, But yeah, NFT, I think the most popular, or at least the biggest, like celebrity ground swell. There was that whole beeple crap guy that remember he sold an n FT for like a billion dollars or something like that. I'd love to follow up on that guy. He seems to have cashed out and made a pretty penny. And obviously, even if you know, whatever tokens he was paid that in and have have lost their value a billion dollars, even if it has lost an insane amount of value, it's probably still some millions of dollars for old beeple crap. But n FT is the board Ape yacht club. Do you guys remember that celebrities were getting in on the fun. It's literally got somebody took his apes. Somebody just took his apes. There was all this stuff where people were doing these like wallet like fishing kind of scams, and you know, people would just totally get had and they're you know, there's people were stealing the credentials or literally. What these things are, of course, is a It's a image that's backed by a receipt that is tied to the blockchain. That is a contract that that you know, says that that thing belongs to you. It's about ownership. We always kind of, I think joked, or maybe it's not really a joke. It's true. A lot of this stuff is about fetishization of ownership, sue, because anybody could take the screenshot of the thing. I can look at anybody's monkey board ape, which by the way, these are like generative NFTs, so they're like created by an algorithm to look different, but they all kind of look the same. Like Ozzy Osbourne got in on it too. We have these like Ozzie Bat things that were all just generated and there'd be a limited number of them, like Pokemon or whatever. It might be training cards, but it's all virtual.

Yeah. The top of nod, Yeah, it's it's it's it's a it's a top of nod that does not contain mushrooms, which is no top of nod of mine, let me tell you or none that I'm interested in, I uh in any case, But yeah, NFT, I think the most popular, or at least the biggest, like celebrity ground swell. There was that whole beeple crap guy that remember he sold an n FT for like a billion dollars or something like that. I'd love to follow up on that guy. He seems to have cashed out and made a pretty penny. And obviously, even if you know, whatever tokens he was paid that in and have have lost their value a billion dollars, even if it has lost an insane amount of value, it's probably still some millions of dollars for old beeple crap. But n FT is the board Ape yacht club. Do you guys remember that celebrities were getting in on the fun. It's literally got somebody took his apes. Somebody just took his apes. There was all this stuff where people were doing these like wallet like fishing kind of scams, and you know, people would just totally get had and they're you know, there's people were stealing the credentials or literally. What these things are, of course, is a It's a image that's backed by a receipt that is tied to the blockchain. That is a contract that that you know, says that that thing belongs to you. It's about ownership. We always kind of, I think joked, or maybe it's not really a joke. It's true. A lot of this stuff is about fetishization of ownership, sue, because anybody could take the screenshot of the thing. I can look at anybody's monkey board ape, which by the way, these are like generative NFTs, so they're like created by an algorithm to look different, but they all kind of look the same. Like Ozzy Osbourne got in on it too. We have these like Ozzie Bat things that were all just generated and there'd be a limited number of them, like Pokemon or whatever. It might be training cards, but it's all virtual.

Oh uh. One point though, before we get the email, uh, the technology behind NFTs, the blockchain stuff does have efficacy for things like.

Oh uh. One point though, before we get the email, uh, the technology behind NFTs, the blockchain stuff does have efficacy for things like.

Absolutely we've talked about that along the way as well. Not only that marijuana has not been fully recreationally legal in New York City until very recently, but it was so decriminalized that there were literal brick and mortar weed dispensaries and shops. But much like the whole deal, where like in Atlanta, for the longest time, we had all these breweries that would not allow you to buy beer on site at the brewery, so they'd sell you a tour and they'd give you this little ticket and then you'd exchange the ticket for your beer at the end like a gift. And one way that some of these New York sort of dispensaries, these sort of skirting the law gray area dispensaries were doing it is they and I did this one time. You pick out the things that you want, they quote unquote sell you an NFT that comes in your email and then they give you the products that you've requested as a free gift. Oh okay, it's another very clever use of this.

Absolutely we've talked about that along the way as well. Not only that marijuana has not been fully recreationally legal in New York City until very recently, but it was so decriminalized that there were literal brick and mortar weed dispensaries and shops. But much like the whole deal, where like in Atlanta, for the longest time, we had all these breweries that would not allow you to buy beer on site at the brewery, so they'd sell you a tour and they'd give you this little ticket and then you'd exchange the ticket for your beer at the end like a gift. And one way that some of these New York sort of dispensaries, these sort of skirting the law gray area dispensaries were doing it is they and I did this one time. You pick out the things that you want, they quote unquote sell you an NFT that comes in your email and then they give you the products that you've requested as a free gift. Oh okay, it's another very clever use of this.

This that isn't Yeah, that reminds me of the the weird gambling loopholes. In Japan, for instance, there are these pachinko parlors, but gambling straight away is wish wish illegal. So you win, you win prizes or points, and then you go up, you literally go across the street and exchange that thing for any number of stuff.

This that isn't Yeah, that reminds me of the the weird gambling loopholes. In Japan, for instance, there are these pachinko parlors, but gambling straight away is wish wish illegal. So you win, you win prizes or points, and then you go up, you literally go across the street and exchange that thing for any number of stuff.

So, yeah, not to get too off to but maybe you can shed some light on this. Ben Here in Atlanta, gambling is not legal. There's no casinos in Atlanta, but some gas stations in certain parts of town have these poker machines and you see people sitting on them feeding them money. What's up with those? Is it common just for funzies or is there some payout or is it just totally flouting the law, if that's even a word.

So, yeah, not to get too off to but maybe you can shed some light on this. Ben Here in Atlanta, gambling is not legal. There's no casinos in Atlanta, but some gas stations in certain parts of town have these poker machines and you see people sitting on them feeding them money. What's up with those? Is it common just for funzies or is there some payout or is it just totally flouting the law, if that's even a word.

I mean, I don't want to derail us too often, but I do. From what I understand, there are not infrequent instances where there's a back room marked them toys only, and that's where I've.

I mean, I don't want to derail us too often, but I do. From what I understand, there are not infrequent instances where there's a back room marked them toys only, and that's where I've.

Seen these in the main room. Like there's one down the street from me. There's like three or four of them in the main that's always posted up at him.

Seen these in the main room. Like there's one down the street from me. There's like three or four of them in the main that's always posted up at him.

That's the opening, dude, the opening you play there, I guess you get your points or whatever, and then you.

That's the opening, dude, the opening you play there, I guess you get your points or whatever, and then you.

Go, Okay, well, I guess the back room of n F T s. Yeah. Again. The point is NFTs famously tanked, didn't go wells, magic beans, pixie dust, Woozy wazzy whatever, the character that Matthew McConaughey plays, and Wolf of Wall Street's talking about for stocks. You know, he's like, nobody can predict any of this, it's all, you know, yes, that and that was all apparently Ben's handing on his chest, that was all apparently improvised. But I love when he just says tootski and he offers some little cocaine spoon and then he instructs him on how to order martinis and keep him coming and all that, and he gives him this whole spiel. You know how this all ephemeral, all this stock stuff, and we know that stocks are less ephemeral than this NFT or crypto stuff, but only like by only minor orders of magnitude, if that's not a total misnomer what I just said. But the back room now has become these like kind of self congratulatory parties where it's like, no, no, everything's still cool, y'all. We we're good, we are the ones riding this out. We're weathering the storm, y'all. And this is a thing that's been happening since before the crash. And I forget the exact number, but NFTs have lost just nearly all of their value, Like like if you average it up together, I think the value of like NFTs overall is like practically zero. And I think, like justin Bieber spent a multimillion dollars on one, it's now worth like thirty thousand dollars. So it's like, you know, just the amount of loss practically equals it flatlining. But in Hong Kong, this this is one of these very exclusive, you know, NFT community parties. Is this happened again despite the climate, the board Ape Yacht Club through this event, the organizer of it being Yuga Labs, the company based in the US that's originated the board Ape Yacht Club and that whole deal, and apparently, you know, this is it's kind of thing you might think like sort of a techno bro party type thing, like an activation like it south by Southwest, but very specifically focused on these board apes. So you'll see like animated apes djaying with lots of light shows and lasers and video projections, and you know, any number of hangers on of the crypto and an FT world having booths and things like that, trying to get people riled up for the next wave, which unfortunately I don't think is gonna happen. But it's called Apefest, which is funny in and of itself because you know what does an ape do? The word ape even like aping someone else's behavior. That's kind of what all this is about. It's like not wanting to miss so I'm gonna copy what this other rich guy's doing because I don't want to like lose out. I don't want to have fomo. So it's like Apefest. And yeah, and this event took place at Kai Tac Cruise terminal and it was all honky dories, like maybe a couple hundred people, very high ticket price, probably upwards of one thousand dollars if not more than that. I'm not seeing the exact entry price right this second. But point being party time, you know, animated monkeys, dancing, all the good stuff, smoke machines, lasers, black lights, most importantly neon. A lot of people. The next day wake up with a different kind of hangover. You guys, not just like, oh no, that took too much molly and drank too much cosa dragonas or whatever. No is molly ecstasy. Molly is ecstasy, yes, MDMA whatever. It's still a pretty popular dance party kind of club drug for the elites. You know. I see you shaking your head and bewilderment. Pen my scene. It's not my scene. I just know from what I've read it's not never been my thing.

Go, Okay, well, I guess the back room of n F T s. Yeah. Again. The point is NFTs famously tanked, didn't go wells, magic beans, pixie dust, Woozy wazzy whatever, the character that Matthew McConaughey plays, and Wolf of Wall Street's talking about for stocks. You know, he's like, nobody can predict any of this, it's all, you know, yes, that and that was all apparently Ben's handing on his chest, that was all apparently improvised. But I love when he just says tootski and he offers some little cocaine spoon and then he instructs him on how to order martinis and keep him coming and all that, and he gives him this whole spiel. You know how this all ephemeral, all this stock stuff, and we know that stocks are less ephemeral than this NFT or crypto stuff, but only like by only minor orders of magnitude, if that's not a total misnomer what I just said. But the back room now has become these like kind of self congratulatory parties where it's like, no, no, everything's still cool, y'all. We we're good, we are the ones riding this out. We're weathering the storm, y'all. And this is a thing that's been happening since before the crash. And I forget the exact number, but NFTs have lost just nearly all of their value, Like like if you average it up together, I think the value of like NFTs overall is like practically zero. And I think, like justin Bieber spent a multimillion dollars on one, it's now worth like thirty thousand dollars. So it's like, you know, just the amount of loss practically equals it flatlining. But in Hong Kong, this this is one of these very exclusive, you know, NFT community parties. Is this happened again despite the climate, the board Ape Yacht Club through this event, the organizer of it being Yuga Labs, the company based in the US that's originated the board Ape Yacht Club and that whole deal, and apparently, you know, this is it's kind of thing you might think like sort of a techno bro party type thing, like an activation like it south by Southwest, but very specifically focused on these board apes. So you'll see like animated apes djaying with lots of light shows and lasers and video projections, and you know, any number of hangers on of the crypto and an FT world having booths and things like that, trying to get people riled up for the next wave, which unfortunately I don't think is gonna happen. But it's called Apefest, which is funny in and of itself because you know what does an ape do? The word ape even like aping someone else's behavior. That's kind of what all this is about. It's like not wanting to miss so I'm gonna copy what this other rich guy's doing because I don't want to like lose out. I don't want to have fomo. So it's like Apefest. And yeah, and this event took place at Kai Tac Cruise terminal and it was all honky dories, like maybe a couple hundred people, very high ticket price, probably upwards of one thousand dollars if not more than that. I'm not seeing the exact entry price right this second. But point being party time, you know, animated monkeys, dancing, all the good stuff, smoke machines, lasers, black lights, most importantly neon. A lot of people. The next day wake up with a different kind of hangover. You guys, not just like, oh no, that took too much molly and drank too much cosa dragonas or whatever. No is molly ecstasy. Molly is ecstasy, yes, MDMA whatever. It's still a pretty popular dance party kind of club drug for the elites. You know. I see you shaking your head and bewilderment. Pen my scene. It's not my scene. I just know from what I've read it's not never been my thing.

But that makes sense, you would say, because that drug in particular causes extreme dehydration.

But that makes sense, you would say, because that drug in particular causes extreme dehydration.

Detridration, headache, dysphoria. They say.

Detridration, headache, dysphoria. They say.

The crash from that is often quite bad because it dumps your serotonin, right.

The crash from that is often quite bad because it dumps your serotonin, right.

It does. It's more so than I think even like cocaine, because it gives you such an insane high and it just gives you, you know, just shoots you, rushes you full of all this good feeling juice, and then the next day you're left feeling like a bit of a husk.

It does. It's more so than I think even like cocaine, because it gives you such an insane high and it just gives you, you know, just shoots you, rushes you full of all this good feeling juice, and then the next day you're left feeling like a bit of a husk.

Okay, So people wake up with a some some sort of deleterious feeling that cannot be attributed to the substances they ingested.

Okay, So people wake up with a some some sort of deleterious feeling that cannot be attributed to the substances they ingested.

They're just not quite sure what it is, Okay, And people take to the Internet, and it start to kind of you know, pull the community. Hey, anybody else wake up with your eyeballs feeling like they've been burnt out of your skull? Anybody else? Am I blind? Having blurred vision? You know? Anybody else literally feel like I've got a sunburn on your corneas as Yeah.

They're just not quite sure what it is, Okay, And people take to the Internet, and it start to kind of you know, pull the community. Hey, anybody else wake up with your eyeballs feeling like they've been burnt out of your skull? Anybody else? Am I blind? Having blurred vision? You know? Anybody else literally feel like I've got a sunburn on your corneas as Yeah.

And a lot of people confirmed, right.

And a lot of people confirmed, right.

People are like, yeah, yeah, what's up with that? And it turns out that some of those laser light dealis that I was talking about maybe were the wrong kind. Have you guys ever heard of a syndrome called welder's eye, Yeah, photokeratitis, that's the word. Ben, You nailed it, Matt. You ever seen like those you know, welders they wear those crazy hoods, those crazy you know whatever. Well, it's a mask masks, yeah, or there are versions of it that are just really sharp, tight you know goggles as well.

People are like, yeah, yeah, what's up with that? And it turns out that some of those laser light dealis that I was talking about maybe were the wrong kind. Have you guys ever heard of a syndrome called welder's eye, Yeah, photokeratitis, that's the word. Ben, You nailed it, Matt. You ever seen like those you know, welders they wear those crazy hoods, those crazy you know whatever. Well, it's a mask masks, yeah, or there are versions of it that are just really sharp, tight you know goggles as well.

Right, And it's kind a lens on it that's a particular color that is meant to stop certain frequencies of light from entering your eye over and over and over.

Right, And it's kind a lens on it that's a particular color that is meant to stop certain frequencies of light from entering your eye over and over and over.

That's correct, if I'm not mistaken. It might be a little different with welding, but this case we're dealing with the uh, the product of ultraviolet light, a KA radiation that has has a very deleterious effect on people who are exposed to it for too long, which is again why these uh, these you know folks that work around did protect themselves. So it came out that Yeah, in fact, somebody actually took to the Internet and wrote a pretty extensive you know post saying, hey, this is real. Some friends of mine borderline have lost their vision. If you were at this event, you need to seek medical help before it's too late, because this is the kind of thing that, if left unchecked, could absolutely lead to long term vision loss potential blindness. So the symptoms let's see. Yeah, here we go. This guy, yeah, Adam Zadunski z d u n c z y k. This is what he had to say. He was the guy I was just mentioned on x nay Twitter to all my friends who suffer, Now go get your eyes checked. You've likely most literally got your eyes burned with UV like I did, which requires medications, eye drops, eye protection, antibiotics, and specialist care. Don't ignore this health hazard. Without proper treatment, it may cause long lasting vision impairment and other serious damage. So what happened exactly, like we all know that sometimes if you go to a certain concert or a certain film, there'll be a trigger warning about strobes that could potentially affect people with say epilepsy, that can be a very serious medical thing, but it doesn't burn out your eyeballs. And you know, typically lasers, while dangerous if pointed directly at the eye, you know, into the eye, that could cause problems if it stuck there long enough. But that's not something that you hear people complaining about going to raves or are these kind of parties. So something is amiss. So what happened you know that this is this seems like something got switched. Was it nefarious with somebody like some you know, v for Vendetta type character trying to target these these revelers, you know and make them pay. I mean, the irony is so thick you could cut it with a whatever, a knife of some kind, a laser. Perhaps we're talking about people who paid a bunch of money so they could get a picture of a monkey, an ape or whatever, and they you know, so they could presumably look at it, go to an event. You know, that's almost like partying on the deck of the Titanic as it sinks, but like a year later kind of like and then now they're now they're potentially blind and can't look at anything anymore. It's it's too much, it's wild. So what ended up happening, we think, or is the theory, is that some of these light tubes, these bulbs, they accidentally somehow we don't know again how we're switched out. Like there are these certain grades of light that would be like a black light leads like Spencer's to make a velvet poster of a dragon, you know, look like all shiny and stuff. And then there's something else, something called the Phillips TUV thirty watt G thirty eight bulb, which is a light bulb that emits twelve watts of uv C radiation and is used for disinfection purposes. This would be like one of those lights right like you see in those hotel room exposs maybe where they shine the thing and that's you know, every and you notice when they do that, people usually put on glasses, don't they. If they're doing it for a while, they usually pass out some little glasses. And I guess presumably there were tons of these, and people also had burns on their skin, not only on their eyes.

That's correct, if I'm not mistaken. It might be a little different with welding, but this case we're dealing with the uh, the product of ultraviolet light, a KA radiation that has has a very deleterious effect on people who are exposed to it for too long, which is again why these uh, these you know folks that work around did protect themselves. So it came out that Yeah, in fact, somebody actually took to the Internet and wrote a pretty extensive you know post saying, hey, this is real. Some friends of mine borderline have lost their vision. If you were at this event, you need to seek medical help before it's too late, because this is the kind of thing that, if left unchecked, could absolutely lead to long term vision loss potential blindness. So the symptoms let's see. Yeah, here we go. This guy, yeah, Adam Zadunski z d u n c z y k. This is what he had to say. He was the guy I was just mentioned on x nay Twitter to all my friends who suffer, Now go get your eyes checked. You've likely most literally got your eyes burned with UV like I did, which requires medications, eye drops, eye protection, antibiotics, and specialist care. Don't ignore this health hazard. Without proper treatment, it may cause long lasting vision impairment and other serious damage. So what happened exactly, like we all know that sometimes if you go to a certain concert or a certain film, there'll be a trigger warning about strobes that could potentially affect people with say epilepsy, that can be a very serious medical thing, but it doesn't burn out your eyeballs. And you know, typically lasers, while dangerous if pointed directly at the eye, you know, into the eye, that could cause problems if it stuck there long enough. But that's not something that you hear people complaining about going to raves or are these kind of parties. So something is amiss. So what happened you know that this is this seems like something got switched. Was it nefarious with somebody like some you know, v for Vendetta type character trying to target these these revelers, you know and make them pay. I mean, the irony is so thick you could cut it with a whatever, a knife of some kind, a laser. Perhaps we're talking about people who paid a bunch of money so they could get a picture of a monkey, an ape or whatever, and they you know, so they could presumably look at it, go to an event. You know, that's almost like partying on the deck of the Titanic as it sinks, but like a year later kind of like and then now they're now they're potentially blind and can't look at anything anymore. It's it's too much, it's wild. So what ended up happening, we think, or is the theory, is that some of these light tubes, these bulbs, they accidentally somehow we don't know again how we're switched out. Like there are these certain grades of light that would be like a black light leads like Spencer's to make a velvet poster of a dragon, you know, look like all shiny and stuff. And then there's something else, something called the Phillips TUV thirty watt G thirty eight bulb, which is a light bulb that emits twelve watts of uv C radiation and is used for disinfection purposes. This would be like one of those lights right like you see in those hotel room exposs maybe where they shine the thing and that's you know, every and you notice when they do that, people usually put on glasses, don't they. If they're doing it for a while, they usually pass out some little glasses. And I guess presumably there were tons of these, and people also had burns on their skin, not only on their eyes.

Isn't this Yeah, isn't this used to like it's a light based germicide?

Isn't this Yeah, isn't this used to like it's a light based germicide?

That's it? Really? Maybe I'm getting it wrong, you know what we did talk about Remember during COVID people were saying UV light could potentially kill COVID, but it was also mixed up with a bunch of other bs claims. But yes, absolutely, I'm sure this could potentially be a disinfectant. But you would, again, if it's been emitting that much actual radiation, you would protect yourself. And if enough of these were installed, that could be really really good news.

That's it? Really? Maybe I'm getting it wrong, you know what we did talk about Remember during COVID people were saying UV light could potentially kill COVID, but it was also mixed up with a bunch of other bs claims. But yes, absolutely, I'm sure this could potentially be a disinfectant. But you would, again, if it's been emitting that much actual radiation, you would protect yourself. And if enough of these were installed, that could be really really good news.

Could it be a translation error or some sort of like I'm with you Nol on the idea that this was not a malevolent action, right, But could it be a matter of someone just getting the wrong item in an invoice or working in English versus working in Chinese characters and idiograms like.

Could it be a translation error or some sort of like I'm with you Nol on the idea that this was not a malevolent action, right, But could it be a matter of someone just getting the wrong item in an invoice or working in English versus working in Chinese characters and idiograms like.

It's certainly possible that I haven't seen that exact speculation. One thing I did see, though, and I will wrap it up with this was just a comment from the organizers essentially not claiming any responsibility. This is the kind of thing that you know, they would never claim onsibility. They would pass the buck to some supplier, some mistranslation, like you said, Ben, and all all all this to say that they're looking into it, you know, and that they're going to do everything they can to make people whole. Whatever. But holly cow, what a what a tail?

It's certainly possible that I haven't seen that exact speculation. One thing I did see, though, and I will wrap it up with this was just a comment from the organizers essentially not claiming any responsibility. This is the kind of thing that you know, they would never claim onsibility. They would pass the buck to some supplier, some mistranslation, like you said, Ben, and all all all this to say that they're looking into it, you know, and that they're going to do everything they can to make people whole. Whatever. But holly cow, what a what a tail?

I've been watching a video on loop over here on x for quite a while, hosted by Crypto Turk, and it's an actual video of the fest, and I'm trying to discern which lights are actually the ones we've been talking about. And Guys, there's like just kind of a blue light hue going on, like that's shown over everybody that you can't really tell the source of. And then they've got these crazy violet lights that are just kind of flying around, you know, like shining down on everybody. I feel like if you were laser blasting folks with that, if that was the one we're talking about, it would not be good. If you just a couple times in the night glanced up and saw that thing like right in your eyes.

I've been watching a video on loop over here on x for quite a while, hosted by Crypto Turk, and it's an actual video of the fest, and I'm trying to discern which lights are actually the ones we've been talking about. And Guys, there's like just kind of a blue light hue going on, like that's shown over everybody that you can't really tell the source of. And then they've got these crazy violet lights that are just kind of flying around, you know, like shining down on everybody. I feel like if you were laser blasting folks with that, if that was the one we're talking about, it would not be good. If you just a couple times in the night glanced up and saw that thing like right in your eyes.

It's interesting stuff. Somebody would pay at the very least, you know, someone will get their finger pointed at them, potentially a bony monkey finger cartoon. And Ben, I think you found another story of something kind of similar to this, a similar whoopsie mix up happening at some kind of sneakerhead conference.

It's interesting stuff. Somebody would pay at the very least, you know, someone will get their finger pointed at them, potentially a bony monkey finger cartoon. And Ben, I think you found another story of something kind of similar to this, a similar whoopsie mix up happening at some kind of sneakerhead conference.

Yeah yeah, apparently hype Beast back in twenty Back in twenty seventeen, they had a pop up at a place called The Landmark that had similar symptoms. And it looks like it was the same It was the same light. So maybe maybe it's just easy for people to confuse the two when they're working on a big venue at scale.

Yeah yeah, apparently hype Beast back in twenty Back in twenty seventeen, they had a pop up at a place called The Landmark that had similar symptoms. And it looks like it was the same It was the same light. So maybe maybe it's just easy for people to confuse the two when they're working on a big venue at scale.

Well, they need to get that looked into. Toot sweet, because yeah, this is not a good look for anybody. And again and should to see who takes the fall for this. But let's take a quick break here a word from our sponsor, and then come back with some more strange news.

Well, they need to get that looked into. Toot sweet, because yeah, this is not a good look for anybody. And again and should to see who takes the fall for this. But let's take a quick break here a word from our sponsor, and then come back with some more strange news.

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I love that they exist, and I hate paying for them. Matt, I just had to buy some tires before I left town for a while, just to keep a car and running condition. And I cheaped out, which I don't usually do on a car, but I cheaped out. I didn't get all four tires, I just got the front to you have to at least buy them in a pair, right.

I love that they exist, and I hate paying for them. Matt, I just had to buy some tires before I left town for a while, just to keep a car and running condition. And I cheaped out, which I don't usually do on a car, but I cheaped out. I didn't get all four tires, I just got the front to you have to at least buy them in a pair, right.

Well, yeah, what are you gonna do about your you're what they what do they call that? Rotation man? And all your alignment and whatever.

Well, yeah, what are you gonna do about your you're what they what do they call that? Rotation man? And all your alignment and whatever.

I'll do that on my own.

I'll do that on my own.

I know how to do that.

I know how to do that.

But those are all real things that you gotta worry about. Yeah. Yeah, And tires are made out of rubber and a bunch of other compounds that assist in rubber continuing to be rubber. And that's what this story is gonna be about. This is actually something we've brought up before in the past when we talked about vehicle, we talked about infrastructure, and we talked about pollution. I think we actually mentioned this specific chemical before. But today there's it's back in the news and it is worth our time. All Right, here we go. I'm gonna read from several different sources here, but I have a little verbatim. I apologize, but let's go ahead and do some shout outs. First shout out is to Rocky Mountain Outlook. Yeah, they've got an article here written by Mark Theeson three days ago as we record this, so Wednesday, November fifth, remember remember sorry, sorry, it's just the way slices, remember remember the fifth of November.

But those are all real things that you gotta worry about. Yeah. Yeah, And tires are made out of rubber and a bunch of other compounds that assist in rubber continuing to be rubber. And that's what this story is gonna be about. This is actually something we've brought up before in the past when we talked about vehicle, we talked about infrastructure, and we talked about pollution. I think we actually mentioned this specific chemical before. But today there's it's back in the news and it is worth our time. All Right, here we go. I'm gonna read from several different sources here, but I have a little verbatim. I apologize, but let's go ahead and do some shout outs. First shout out is to Rocky Mountain Outlook. Yeah, they've got an article here written by Mark Theeson three days ago as we record this, so Wednesday, November fifth, remember remember sorry, sorry, it's just the way slices, remember remember the fifth of November.

For the Matrix. Yeah, I didn't do that, please carry it.

For the Matrix. Yeah, I didn't do that, please carry it.

So here's the title US regulators that should be the EPA will review car tire chemical that kills salmon upon request from West Coast tribes and by West Coast tribes, it means indigenous tribes in the United States or living within the United States territories that exist on US soil. Okay, what, First of all, there's a chemical in tires that kills salmon. That doesn't sound good, let's dig in. Okay, So there is in fact a chemical, one chemical that's used in tires. And again there are a lot of chemicals, but one of them that is used to prevent that rubber from breaking down as quickly as it normally would. This is a weird chemical, and let's just get it out of the way. It's known as six ppd six pp d, so if you ever want to refer to it as a thing, just call it six ppd. But here's the full thing, ready, Yeah, N one to three dimethyl beutle n phenyl p phenal and a diamine broke.

So here's the title US regulators that should be the EPA will review car tire chemical that kills salmon upon request from West Coast tribes and by West Coast tribes, it means indigenous tribes in the United States or living within the United States territories that exist on US soil. Okay, what, First of all, there's a chemical in tires that kills salmon. That doesn't sound good, let's dig in. Okay, So there is in fact a chemical, one chemical that's used in tires. And again there are a lot of chemicals, but one of them that is used to prevent that rubber from breaking down as quickly as it normally would. This is a weird chemical, and let's just get it out of the way. It's known as six ppd six pp d, so if you ever want to refer to it as a thing, just call it six ppd. But here's the full thing, ready, Yeah, N one to three dimethyl beutle n phenyl p phenal and a diamine broke.

Dude, let's take a moment and admire that pronunciation.

Dude, let's take a moment and admire that pronunciation.

Well, you're welcome. Its spent way too long on that, but so what this chemical does is hanging out there with the rubber in the tire that you're rolling around on, all four of them, hopefully, and it reacts with oxygen and ozone, so two different forms of the oxygen molecules, and it oxidizes or ozonidizes, if there's a there's a term for it. But that chemical itself is the thing that reacts with the oxygen in the in the atmosphere around the tire, rather than that oxygen and ozone reacting with the rubber itself. Right, Does that make sense?

Well, you're welcome. Its spent way too long on that, but so what this chemical does is hanging out there with the rubber in the tire that you're rolling around on, all four of them, hopefully, and it reacts with oxygen and ozone, so two different forms of the oxygen molecules, and it oxidizes or ozonidizes, if there's a there's a term for it. But that chemical itself is the thing that reacts with the oxygen in the in the atmosphere around the tire, rather than that oxygen and ozone reacting with the rubber itself. Right, Does that make sense?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Yeah, yeah, because if the rubber interacted with the oxygen, it would break down and flake away the way you've seen rubber breakdown, maybe in an old pencil or something, or you've probably just seen old rubber objects that have just busted up completely.

Yeah, yeah, because if the rubber interacted with the oxygen, it would break down and flake away the way you've seen rubber breakdown, maybe in an old pencil or something, or you've probably just seen old rubber objects that have just busted up completely.

Like a ball.

Like a ball.

Oh yeah, that's just a natural process of what occurs with rubber. These chemicals, these additives are meant to stop that from happening as quickly as it would. And when that chemical six PPD reacts with ozone specifically and oxygen, it creates a separate chemical what do you call it. It's an it's a product of that chemical plus ozone They call this six ppd Q or quenone six ppd dash queenone. This is the thing. This like after effect right of six ppd interacting with ozone. That's the thing that's dangerous because if you imagine the four tires on a car rolling down a highway over and over and over and over again in one specific part of highway. Now imagine that it rains, and on top of that highway where all those tires have gone over, this chemical has been leeching off onto the ground right for every tire that goes across it. When it rains, the water interacts with those chemicals and runs all of those chemicals off wherever that water's gonna flow. Generally, it's gonna flow into a creek or something like that. When it gets in there, it continues flowing down to that wherever that water goes into. And if salmon and a couple other types of fish happen to live in that water, this chemical is lethal to them, so not great. Here's the big problem, y'all. This chemical has been entires since the nineteen fifties. Human beings have known that this is a byproduct of the chemicals we've been using. Entires since the nineteen fifties for about that long.

Oh yeah, that's just a natural process of what occurs with rubber. These chemicals, these additives are meant to stop that from happening as quickly as it would. And when that chemical six PPD reacts with ozone specifically and oxygen, it creates a separate chemical what do you call it. It's an it's a product of that chemical plus ozone They call this six ppd Q or quenone six ppd dash queenone. This is the thing. This like after effect right of six ppd interacting with ozone. That's the thing that's dangerous because if you imagine the four tires on a car rolling down a highway over and over and over and over again in one specific part of highway. Now imagine that it rains, and on top of that highway where all those tires have gone over, this chemical has been leeching off onto the ground right for every tire that goes across it. When it rains, the water interacts with those chemicals and runs all of those chemicals off wherever that water's gonna flow. Generally, it's gonna flow into a creek or something like that. When it gets in there, it continues flowing down to that wherever that water goes into. And if salmon and a couple other types of fish happen to live in that water, this chemical is lethal to them, so not great. Here's the big problem, y'all. This chemical has been entires since the nineteen fifties. Human beings have known that this is a byproduct of the chemicals we've been using. Entires since the nineteen fifties for about that long.

Well did that episode on The Michelin Man, The Michelin Tires on ridiculous History, and like there was a whole history of like crazy gnarly chemicals and tires that was like essentially almost like a cover up.

Well did that episode on The Michelin Man, The Michelin Tires on ridiculous History, and like there was a whole history of like crazy gnarly chemicals and tires that was like essentially almost like a cover up.

Right, If you want to see some conversational parkour or hears some you can also tune into several car stuff episodes on tires. You're right, Matt, it's been uh, it's been kind of nasty for a while, but it was easy to ignore I think for many people. And to your point about the Interstate's modern pavement to the problem is arguably exacerbated because the chemical composition of the pavement is such that it absorbs water or transfers water differently than plain old dirt.

Right, If you want to see some conversational parkour or hears some you can also tune into several car stuff episodes on tires. You're right, Matt, it's been uh, it's been kind of nasty for a while, but it was easy to ignore I think for many people. And to your point about the Interstate's modern pavement to the problem is arguably exacerbated because the chemical composition of the pavement is such that it absorbs water or transfers water differently than plain old dirt.

Oh yeah, If you want to get those same lessons, Ben, head on over to the website for the US Tire Manufacturers Association, because in there they've addressed these issues and the fact we didn't even say yet will jump back in just a moment, but they've addressed these issues, and you know, provided all this information about previous studies about this particular chemical, about potential fixes which would both get rid of that chemical or reduce that chemical and maintain the safety standards in tires for vehicles on roads in the United States, because that is the main argument for keeping this six PPD around. It is the most reliable chemical to prevent tire breakdown that exists and that is known of right now. And if you've ever seen a tire explode on the highway, whether from you know, an eighteen wheeler or just a regular car, you know how dangerous that can be. How it can potentially kill the driver and another driver or a bunch of drivers cause a major accident, or the debris from a tire can cause a major accident itself. Like that's scary stuff, really really scary stuff. So I understand the tire manufacturers saying, hey, this has been working. We need a solution. But we got to remember that this is working. But they list a bunch of stuff like, hey, one potential thing we could do is rubber treat all the asphalt on the highways, So the asphalt itself is rubber treating. You're like, well, guys, I don't know if that does the right thing. But again, there was a study in two thousand and six that the Arizona Department of Transportation conducted and they found, Hey, you can reduce tirewear by fifty percent if you rubber treated the road too.