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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A production of iHeartRadio.

Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Nol.

Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Nol.

They call me Ben.

They call me Ben.

We are joined with our guest producers Dylan the Tennessee Pal Fagan and Andrew Triforce Howard. Most importantly, you are you. You are here that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. It's hurtling headlong into autumn and we are excited to explore strange news. Guys. You remember how we talked pretty often about water filters. Remember we're talking about life straws with the casual preppers and the whole fluoridation argument.

We are joined with our guest producers Dylan the Tennessee Pal Fagan and Andrew Triforce Howard. Most importantly, you are you. You are here that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. It's hurtling headlong into autumn and we are excited to explore strange news. Guys. You remember how we talked pretty often about water filters. Remember we're talking about life straws with the casual preppers and the whole fluoridation argument.

Yeah, those are very important things to have in your house, the same way, well it's not the same way a fire extinguisher is, but it's.

Yeah, those are very important things to have in your house, the same way, well it's not the same way a fire extinguisher is, but it's.

Close, guys.

Close, guys.

I literally just got a kitchen fire extinguisher.

I literally just got a kitchen fire extinguisher.

I'm a real boy now.

I'm a real boy now.

And I also have my water filter for the fridge on auto reorder so that whenever it's time to change it, a new one shows up.

And I also have my water filter for the fridge on auto reorder so that whenever it's time to change it, a new one shows up.

Because that is really important.

Because that is really important.

And it's just what they want you to do. No, they want you on all those auto ordered things.

And it's just what they want you to do. No, they want you on all those auto ordered things.

I live a subscription based life.

I live a subscription based life.

Just subscribe, right, And we're bringing this up for some positive strange news. The boffin's over at m I T have developed a water filter that can eliminate forever chemicals and heavy metals. So apologies to all fans of heavy metal water those days.

Just subscribe, right, And we're bringing this up for some positive strange news. The boffin's over at m I T have developed a water filter that can eliminate forever chemicals and heavy metals. So apologies to all fans of heavy metal water those days.

Like Liquid Death about that's the heaviest metal. No, no, let's let's not get sued by Liquid Death. There is no heavy metal content in Liquid Death water sparkling or still, it just looks that way in the branding.

Like Liquid Death about that's the heaviest metal. No, no, let's let's not get sued by Liquid Death. There is no heavy metal content in Liquid Death water sparkling or still, it just looks that way in the branding.

There's a sparkling version.

There's a sparkling version.

Yeah good, they got like a maco.

Yeah good, they got like a maco.

It's a little too sweet for my taste of mar of a Lacroix. Lacroix boy.

It's a little too sweet for my taste of mar of a Lacroix. Lacroix boy.

But this is a huge deal though. If they can eliminate pfas in the water systems, Uh whoa is it?

But this is a huge deal though. If they can eliminate pfas in the water systems, Uh whoa is it?

Do we know?

Do we know?

If it's for uh the actual like the water plants that are purifying the water, or is it for an end user?

If it's for uh the actual like the water plants that are purifying the water, or is it for an end user?

I think at this point these specific applications are still being explored. Okay, you could scale up or down to a municipal or individual household level, but we wanted to establish this really quickly. We're your fellow hydro homies. Did you guys know about that? Do you hear the phrase hydro homies?

I think at this point these specific applications are still being explored. Okay, you could scale up or down to a municipal or individual household level, but we wanted to establish this really quickly. We're your fellow hydro homies. Did you guys know about that? Do you hear the phrase hydro homies?

I love it.

I love it.

It's just an internet movement of people who love drinking water.

It's just an internet movement of people who love drinking water.

Water enthusiasts.

Water enthusiasts.

I got one of those bottles, you guys, that has like every time, like hour listed on it, and then when you get to the end of it, you refill it and it tells you how much water you're supposed to drink for an entire day. It's hard to drink as much water as you're supposed to do in a day, y'all.

I got one of those bottles, you guys, that has like every time, like hour listed on it, and then when you get to the end of it, you refill it and it tells you how much water you're supposed to drink for an entire day. It's hard to drink as much water as you're supposed to do in a day, y'all.

It takes effort.

It takes effort.

I don't know, man, I just need to get one of those camelbacks. Dude.

I don't know, man, I just need to get one of those camelbacks. Dude.

Just always have a bathroom break, man, I mean, it's really kind of prohibitive that it can really throw in your life.

Just always have a bathroom break, man, I mean, it's really kind of prohibitive that it can really throw in your life.

There's a solution for that too, that diver carry around some some form of external colostomy bag.

There's a solution for that too, that diver carry around some some form of external colostomy bag.

Okay, love it.

Okay, love it.

Finally, finally the time has.

Finally, finally the time has.

Gone and we've returned. One of our first stories this evening is something we teased in a previous previous conversation over in London. Someone asked, what do we need human teachers for?

Gone and we've returned. One of our first stories this evening is something we teased in a previous previous conversation over in London. Someone asked, what do we need human teachers for?

I don't like that question.

I don't like that question.

I don't like that.

I don't like that.

I don't like the implication framing. It's kind of got a little attitude behind it. As we've made very clear on the show, we love teachers. We have teachers in our lives, we have been inspired by teachers, many of us have teachers from our families. And so I don't know, I resent the implication.

I don't like the implication framing. It's kind of got a little attitude behind it. As we've made very clear on the show, we love teachers. We have teachers in our lives, we have been inspired by teachers, many of us have teachers from our families. And so I don't know, I resent the implication.

Oh yeah, what, so you don't need humans, you need what AI? Is that where we're going with.

Oh yeah, what, so you don't need humans, you need what AI? Is that where we're going with.

This good That's exactly where we're going. And I still yet again maintained that the phrase AI itself is intensely problematic. But if we travel to David Game College over in London in the UK, then what we'll find is this private school is running the first class in the United Kingdom that will be taught by a virtual intelligence, the first foray out. This is happening now in September of twenty twenty four. The first foray out will be twenty students in this experiment. At least they're calling it an experiment, and they're tapping into virtual reality headsets with these AI enabled platforms to guide their learning. The concept here like The utopian version is that this virtual mentor or teacher is going to be able to more quickly, more nimbly respond to a student's needs, right, their strengths, their weaknesses, It will be able to assess them actively.

This good That's exactly where we're going. And I still yet again maintained that the phrase AI itself is intensely problematic. But if we travel to David Game College over in London in the UK, then what we'll find is this private school is running the first class in the United Kingdom that will be taught by a virtual intelligence, the first foray out. This is happening now in September of twenty twenty four. The first foray out will be twenty students in this experiment. At least they're calling it an experiment, and they're tapping into virtual reality headsets with these AI enabled platforms to guide their learning. The concept here like The utopian version is that this virtual mentor or teacher is going to be able to more quickly, more nimbly respond to a student's needs, right, their strengths, their weaknesses, It will be able to assess them actively.

Right.

Right.

So, now you know, we know one of the big problems with a lot of education here in the US is just that these amazing teachers have more and more students in every classroom year over year. Right, we're talking one person with what's a typical size classroom, like thirty two kids.

So, now you know, we know one of the big problems with a lot of education here in the US is just that these amazing teachers have more and more students in every classroom year over year. Right, we're talking one person with what's a typical size classroom, like thirty two kids.

They're twenty one in my son's class.

They're twenty one in my son's class.

It also varies probably from school system to school system.

It also varies probably from school system to school system.

Like I don't know what like the law is in terms of like maximum capacity for a classroom, but I imagine it would have less to do with the person and more to do with see how many chairs they can fit in there.

Like I don't know what like the law is in terms of like maximum capacity for a classroom, but I imagine it would have less to do with the person and more to do with see how many chairs they can fit in there.

To your point, been the adaptive quality of this is.

To your point, been the adaptive quality of this is.

Interesting in some respect because we do know that oftentimes kids with learning disabilities, for example, can fall through the cracks, and maybe if those things aren't identified, you know, by a teacher who is overwhelmed, then that kid could maybe go through a long period of time in school in a public school where they're not getting the education that they need because a lot of kids with those learning disabilities need to be identified so they can get either more time on tests or whatever it might be. These things are important to identify early.

Interesting in some respect because we do know that oftentimes kids with learning disabilities, for example, can fall through the cracks, and maybe if those things aren't identified, you know, by a teacher who is overwhelmed, then that kid could maybe go through a long period of time in school in a public school where they're not getting the education that they need because a lot of kids with those learning disabilities need to be identified so they can get either more time on tests or whatever it might be. These things are important to identify early.

But it sounds like the job of a psychologist or a parapro or somebody else, not the teacher in mindset, at least.

But it sounds like the job of a psychologist or a parapro or somebody else, not the teacher in mindset, at least.

Well, the teacher is the first line of defense, though I mean to at least indicate that maybe another person should make an assessment. It should be the parents, But oftentimes we know that doesn't happen either.

Well, the teacher is the first line of defense, though I mean to at least indicate that maybe another person should make an assessment. It should be the parents, But oftentimes we know that doesn't happen either.

Yeah, and this is part of the dilemma.

Yeah, and this is part of the dilemma.

Look, we called it earlier, some kind of pilot program like this is inevitable, right because we need to understand what this looks like when we take.

Look, we called it earlier, some kind of pilot program like this is inevitable, right because we need to understand what this looks like when we take.

It around, you know, in real life.

It around, you know, in real life.

How will this impact the students involved? How will this impact the teachers that would have been teaching these kids. And what we're seeing is that just like when a semi autonomous vehicle started rolling out, there are humans still involved in the process. There are three what they're calling learning coaches that are going to monitor behavior keep an eye on these bespoke lesson plans that are generated by the students activities. I don't know, you know, I was looking into the laws or the policies that the United Kingdom has around AI in the classroom. And if you want to quick catch up with his folks, highly recommend checking out. AI will teach this class a huge lesson, but won't be hanging in the teacher's lounge. An article on tech Radar from Eric hal Schwartz. I got to tell you, you know, I feel curmudgeonly, but I am so intensely skeptical of the concept of an AI classroom.

How will this impact the students involved? How will this impact the teachers that would have been teaching these kids. And what we're seeing is that just like when a semi autonomous vehicle started rolling out, there are humans still involved in the process. There are three what they're calling learning coaches that are going to monitor behavior keep an eye on these bespoke lesson plans that are generated by the students activities. I don't know, you know, I was looking into the laws or the policies that the United Kingdom has around AI in the classroom. And if you want to quick catch up with his folks, highly recommend checking out. AI will teach this class a huge lesson, but won't be hanging in the teacher's lounge. An article on tech Radar from Eric hal Schwartz. I got to tell you, you know, I feel curmudgeonly, but I am so intensely skeptical of the concept of an AI classroom.

It gets a little matrix.

It gets a little matrix.

I don't like it.

I don't like it.

I'm just gonna come right ound and say it. It just rubs me the wrong way. And I think their uses of AI that makes sense, and maybe if it was AI deployed to assist teachers in some way, but the notion of replacing the human touch and sort of the human empathy that is so important for a teacher, it really bothers me.

I'm just gonna come right ound and say it. It just rubs me the wrong way. And I think their uses of AI that makes sense, and maybe if it was AI deployed to assist teachers in some way, but the notion of replacing the human touch and sort of the human empathy that is so important for a teacher, it really bothers me.

Yeah, guys, there's a school out here where I am. I'll just say what it is. It's called Secondear High School. I think that's how you say it. Sec K I n g Er high School. And it is an AI high school. So it like imagine some of those specialized high schools that exist out there that's like a performing arts focused school or a I don't know, there are yeah, magnet schools that kind of thing. This is an AI school that is specifically to teach kids the history of AI, how to program AI, and how to get involved in some kind of career eventually that deals with AI, which really weirds me out because it's being incorporated a lot into the school itself, but not in this way we're talking about.

Yeah, guys, there's a school out here where I am. I'll just say what it is. It's called Secondear High School. I think that's how you say it. Sec K I n g Er high School. And it is an AI high school. So it like imagine some of those specialized high schools that exist out there that's like a performing arts focused school or a I don't know, there are yeah, magnet schools that kind of thing. This is an AI school that is specifically to teach kids the history of AI, how to program AI, and how to get involved in some kind of career eventually that deals with AI, which really weirds me out because it's being incorporated a lot into the school itself, but not in this way we're talking about.

And you could argue, you could argue what you're describing is a new iteration of what we would call a trade school, right.

And you could argue, you could argue what you're describing is a new iteration of what we would call a trade school, right.

Yeah, kind of, but it's but it's a it's a full high school. So I don't know, it's weird, it's yeah, I think it's just being embraced.

Yeah, kind of, but it's but it's a it's a full high school. So I don't know, it's weird, it's yeah, I think it's just being embraced.

Yeah, but is it sort of like the next step of of like you know, coding sort of pilot.

Yeah, but is it sort of like the next step of of like you know, coding sort of pilot.

Classes in high schools.

Classes in high schools.

Or this is really kind of an all encompassing thing where this is like the the entire purpose of.

Or this is really kind of an all encompassing thing where this is like the the entire purpose of.

The of the schooling.

The of the schooling.

They call it an artificial intelligence themed high school, so they're going to get like college prep courses all about artificial intelligence.

They call it an artificial intelligence themed high school, so they're going to get like college prep courses all about artificial intelligence.

I like the I am interested in the concept and the approach for that. I just have to roll my eyes when someone and THEMEDY, I know this, this is one of the most important informative parts of your life, little human.

I like the I am interested in the concept and the approach for that. I just have to roll my eyes when someone and THEMEDY, I know this, this is one of the most important informative parts of your life, little human.

Also it is themed.

Also it is themed.

Uh, I don't know that's that That leads us to one of the bigger questions here. So obviously the David Game College folks are good faith actors. You can go to David Gamecollege dot com and learn more about the sobering program.

Uh, I don't know that's that That leads us to one of the bigger questions here. So obviously the David Game College folks are good faith actors. You can go to David Gamecollege dot com and learn more about the sobering program.

It's spelled s.

It's spelled s.

A b R E W I n G like saber wing is probably saber wing.

A b R E W I n G like saber wing is probably saber wing.

Stop it.

Stop it.

So this uh so our mispronunciations aside as a guy who's still actively learning English. You can learn more about this pilot program, the motivations behind it. They're their aims and their aspirations. And the question now becomes, I think, philosophically, what is the line between the virtual teacher adapting to you and the virtual teacher steering you toward or away from certain areas of knowledge?

So this uh so our mispronunciations aside as a guy who's still actively learning English. You can learn more about this pilot program, the motivations behind it. They're their aims and their aspirations. And the question now becomes, I think, philosophically, what is the line between the virtual teacher adapting to you and the virtual teacher steering you toward or away from certain areas of knowledge?

Kind of? I mean it's maybe a little different.

Kind of? I mean it's maybe a little different.

But in the virtual non virtual Assistant, the robot Servant episode that we just did, we talked about two schools of thought around robot service, the idea of designing robots so they better suit the environments we currently live in, or redesigning the environments to suit the robots. And this kind of feels like that, but in like an even more all encompassing way in terms of like, yeah, like adapting to the technology as opposed to the technology adapting to the needs of humans.

But in the virtual non virtual Assistant, the robot Servant episode that we just did, we talked about two schools of thought around robot service, the idea of designing robots so they better suit the environments we currently live in, or redesigning the environments to suit the robots. And this kind of feels like that, but in like an even more all encompassing way in terms of like, yeah, like adapting to the technology as opposed to the technology adapting to the needs of humans.

It's like that thought experiment that we mentioned a little while back. It's going to steer everyone towards it's benefit in a way, or you know, away from the eventual torture will have to perform in perpetuity on the people who don't help it come to life. I have.

It's like that thought experiment that we mentioned a little while back. It's going to steer everyone towards it's benefit in a way, or you know, away from the eventual torture will have to perform in perpetuity on the people who don't help it come to life. I have.

Friend of the show, Carly actually reached out to me.

Friend of the show, Carly actually reached out to me.

It was like, I can't believe you talked about Rocco's basilisk.

It was like, I can't believe you talked about Rocco's basilisk.

You've doomed everyone.

You've doomed everyone.

She is, of course teasing, and I did give a trigger warning, but yeah, I mean stuff like that.

She is, of course teasing, and I did give a trigger warning, but yeah, I mean stuff like that.

It does make you think.

It does make you think.

And thanks to our fellow conspiracy realist who prompted that conversation, we know that we know that the idea of adaptive learning shows great promise, right, the idea of like you're saying, it's no longer a single teacher and a large group of kids, all with their own particular set of skills. I was gonna say, but you know, there are certain natural, intuitive strengths and things that they need a little more tea. I'll see on the idea of having a single teacher for a single student is again potentially possibly an amazing beautiful thing. My question, just to reiterate here, is what happens if this system is somehow incentivized or programmed to prevent pursuit certain types of knowledge. Right like old school analog history textbooks are already a source of contention. What if instead of worrying about the thing being in print, you could just pretend that certain areas of history never existed.

And thanks to our fellow conspiracy realist who prompted that conversation, we know that we know that the idea of adaptive learning shows great promise, right, the idea of like you're saying, it's no longer a single teacher and a large group of kids, all with their own particular set of skills. I was gonna say, but you know, there are certain natural, intuitive strengths and things that they need a little more tea. I'll see on the idea of having a single teacher for a single student is again potentially possibly an amazing beautiful thing. My question, just to reiterate here, is what happens if this system is somehow incentivized or programmed to prevent pursuit certain types of knowledge. Right like old school analog history textbooks are already a source of contention. What if instead of worrying about the thing being in print, you could just pretend that certain areas of history never existed.

Oh well, we've certainly seen that in certain schools already, just in terms of the way things like evolution are discussed.

Oh well, we've certainly seen that in certain schools already, just in terms of the way things like evolution are discussed.

So I mean it's definitely there's precedent for it.

So I mean it's definitely there's precedent for it.

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And we have returned with conversation around a news item that I think probably a lot of folks have seen in some form or another involving the humble mushroom, the oyster mushroom, I believe, in this case, the King Oyster mushroom. But guys, I know this is a subject that interests all three of us just in terms of, like it's been mentioned on the show, the notion that like mushrooms and fungi are like the closest thing to the aliens that we have, you know, right here on play at Earth. The way they communicate through these really advanced neural networks underground, and they transmit signals basically in the same way that neurons do, and it's all completely naturally occurring. And if anyone's seen the film on Netflix, I believe fantastic fungi. I mean, you know, of course, all of the spiritual connections to mushrooms, the psychedelic qualities that certain species provide that you know, access parts of our brains that clearly are there en dormant and just need a little poke to kind of open up and make us realize that we maybe have capacities beyond what we think we do in terms of maybe an additional sense or what have you.

And we have returned with conversation around a news item that I think probably a lot of folks have seen in some form or another involving the humble mushroom, the oyster mushroom, I believe, in this case, the King Oyster mushroom. But guys, I know this is a subject that interests all three of us just in terms of, like it's been mentioned on the show, the notion that like mushrooms and fungi are like the closest thing to the aliens that we have, you know, right here on play at Earth. The way they communicate through these really advanced neural networks underground, and they transmit signals basically in the same way that neurons do, and it's all completely naturally occurring. And if anyone's seen the film on Netflix, I believe fantastic fungi. I mean, you know, of course, all of the spiritual connections to mushrooms, the psychedelic qualities that certain species provide that you know, access parts of our brains that clearly are there en dormant and just need a little poke to kind of open up and make us realize that we maybe have capacities beyond what we think we do in terms of maybe an additional sense or what have you.

So entirely unrelated, everybody, please check out The Passage of J Edgar Hoover, executive produced by Matt Frederick.

So entirely unrelated, everybody, please check out The Passage of J Edgar Hoover, executive produced by Matt Frederick.

Entirely unrelated.

Entirely unrelated.

Wait wait, I'm so bet, Matt.

Wait wait, I'm so bet, Matt.

You got to hit me to this to the connection has to be a connection. Ben doesn't just bring things up apropos of nothing.

You got to hit me to this to the connection has to be a connection. Ben doesn't just bring things up apropos of nothing.

It's a story that Ben wrote for a fictional, a historical fictional, but it's a fictional show based on historical figures, so in imagining of things, and it's really great.

It's a story that Ben wrote for a fictional, a historical fictional, but it's a fictional show based on historical figures, so in imagining of things, and it's really great.

Welly can't wait to check it out, And I'm sorry that I haven't already.

Welly can't wait to check it out, And I'm sorry that I haven't already.

And if you want to find it, search for the passage. That's the title of a podcast and the episode is episode seven, The Passage of J Dot Edgar Hoover. That dot is a period.

And if you want to find it, search for the passage. That's the title of a podcast and the episode is episode seven, The Passage of J Dot Edgar Hoover. That dot is a period.

Again, nothing to do with anything.

Again, nothing to do with anything.

Yeah, well, okay, so let's talk about fiction and the depiction of things. Like I guess sinister brain controlling mushrooms is how it's described in this really cool piece on Popular Science's website titled this robot is being controlled by a king Oyster mushroom.

Yeah, well, okay, so let's talk about fiction and the depiction of things. Like I guess sinister brain controlling mushrooms is how it's described in this really cool piece on Popular Science's website titled this robot is being controlled by a king Oyster mushroom.

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, that's right.

All those things we talked about, the mystical powers of mushrooms have captivated the imaginations of a writers and scientists and you know, psychonauts, let's just say, for.

All those things we talked about, the mystical powers of mushrooms have captivated the imaginations of a writers and scientists and you know, psychonauts, let's just say, for.

A very very very long time.

A very very very long time.

And now some scientists have figured out a way to actually harness mushrooms and that kind of really adaptable neural network, communicative kind of situation that we were talking about a little while ago into a way of controlling a robot.

And now some scientists have figured out a way to actually harness mushrooms and that kind of really adaptable neural network, communicative kind of situation that we were talking about a little while ago into a way of controlling a robot.

In a very very flexible and adaptive way.

In a very very flexible and adaptive way.

It's part machine, part fungus, and ultimately will serve as again, according to this pop Side article, a building block for more advanced bio hybrid chimeras that can remotely analyze agricultural fields for potentially harmful changes in soil chemistry. This is a research out of Cornell University and the University.

It's part machine, part fungus, and ultimately will serve as again, according to this pop Side article, a building block for more advanced bio hybrid chimeras that can remotely analyze agricultural fields for potentially harmful changes in soil chemistry. This is a research out of Cornell University and the University.

Of Florence in Italy.

Of Florence in Italy.

They wanted to see if electrical signals they already know that passed through my selium of fungi, my celium being those kind of connective tissue things that can make up the neural network underground if they could be translated, because after all, it's all just electricity, it's all just impulses passing from one thing to another and harnessed as an input source for controlling robots.

They wanted to see if electrical signals they already know that passed through my selium of fungi, my celium being those kind of connective tissue things that can make up the neural network underground if they could be translated, because after all, it's all just electricity, it's all just impulses passing from one thing to another and harnessed as an input source for controlling robots.

And it turns out yes it can.

And it turns out yes it can.

These findings were published last month in the journal Science Robotics, and again, reading from the pop side article, I just think they put it so beautifully. They were ultimately able to create a system capable of analyzing and processing naturally occurring electrical signals sent through the mycelium. Those data points were then translated into a digital control signal, which, when beamed to a pair of robots, caused them to move. If anybody wants to see what this looks like in action, you can find video of this stuff online. It turns out that fungi are also incredibly photosensitive. We know that fungi really liked to grow in damp, dark places, so apparently when you expose them to flashing light, they react in really interesting ways. There's a quote here from one of the researchers at Cornell University, professor of Mechanical and Aerospace engineering by the name of Rob Sheppard, from a statement on the project. This paper is the first of many that will use the fungial kingdom to provide environmental sensing and command signals to robots to improve their levels of autonomy. By growing my celium into the electronics of a robot, we were able to allow the bio hybrid machine to sense and respond to the environment. So, I mean, I don't know if you guys are picturing this right off the rip, but it makes me think of the idea of like a human brain like wired into a robot.

These findings were published last month in the journal Science Robotics, and again, reading from the pop side article, I just think they put it so beautifully. They were ultimately able to create a system capable of analyzing and processing naturally occurring electrical signals sent through the mycelium. Those data points were then translated into a digital control signal, which, when beamed to a pair of robots, caused them to move. If anybody wants to see what this looks like in action, you can find video of this stuff online. It turns out that fungi are also incredibly photosensitive. We know that fungi really liked to grow in damp, dark places, so apparently when you expose them to flashing light, they react in really interesting ways. There's a quote here from one of the researchers at Cornell University, professor of Mechanical and Aerospace engineering by the name of Rob Sheppard, from a statement on the project. This paper is the first of many that will use the fungial kingdom to provide environmental sensing and command signals to robots to improve their levels of autonomy. By growing my celium into the electronics of a robot, we were able to allow the bio hybrid machine to sense and respond to the environment. So, I mean, I don't know if you guys are picturing this right off the rip, but it makes me think of the idea of like a human brain like wired into a robot.

You know, that's essentially what this stuff is doing.

You know, that's essentially what this stuff is doing.

You know, it's acting as this sort of biosensor that is able to do things like for example, and when deployed or if deployed in agriculture, it could test levels of toxicity you know, in soil and then communicate that with you know, systems or individuals that could mitigate those kinds of things, or like service kind of a warning and early warning signal. Those electrical signals actually produce these patterns of activity that are very similar to what happens in the human brain. This is something that a lot of researchers have been saying for some time. The idea that these connections resemble pretty closely neurons in our brains and the way that they, you know, transmit electrical signals.

You know, it's acting as this sort of biosensor that is able to do things like for example, and when deployed or if deployed in agriculture, it could test levels of toxicity you know, in soil and then communicate that with you know, systems or individuals that could mitigate those kinds of things, or like service kind of a warning and early warning signal. Those electrical signals actually produce these patterns of activity that are very similar to what happens in the human brain. This is something that a lot of researchers have been saying for some time. The idea that these connections resemble pretty closely neurons in our brains and the way that they, you know, transmit electrical signals.

You know, I've been pretty public I think with the fascination with the world of fungus again, they're probably the best candidates for astronauts on this planet. It reminds me Nold of the earlier conversations we had, not just about the absolute legendary piece of cinema, Pacific rim Uprising, the sequel to the original Pacific rim where and spoiler, the progenitors, the creators of the Kaiju, manage to make something very much like this, and they have small brains controlling these large mechs. But in real life it gives us a stunning opportunity to get again evaluate or contemplate the nature of intelligence. I'm thinking in particular of that fascinating experiment where a brainless quote unquote brainless slime mold built a one to one replica of the Tokyo subway.

You know, I've been pretty public I think with the fascination with the world of fungus again, they're probably the best candidates for astronauts on this planet. It reminds me Nold of the earlier conversations we had, not just about the absolute legendary piece of cinema, Pacific rim Uprising, the sequel to the original Pacific rim where and spoiler, the progenitors, the creators of the Kaiju, manage to make something very much like this, and they have small brains controlling these large mechs. But in real life it gives us a stunning opportunity to get again evaluate or contemplate the nature of intelligence. I'm thinking in particular of that fascinating experiment where a brainless quote unquote brainless slime mold built a one to one replica of the Tokyo subway.

Oh yeah, because of the way it is adapts and fills the space.

Oh yeah, because of the way it is adapts and fills the space.

And we also did a story on Strange News maybe earlier this year last year about fungus and space, because fungus is really, really resilient to things that humans just absolutely cannot withstand, things like the cold, harsh.

And we also did a story on Strange News maybe earlier this year last year about fungus and space, because fungus is really, really resilient to things that humans just absolutely cannot withstand, things like the cold, harsh.

Deadly vacuum of space and radiation.

Deadly vacuum of space and radiation.

So the fact that the stuff is so incredibly resilient it leads to all kinds of potential uses for creating these sort of hybrid robots that can go places that humans can't but have I.

So the fact that the stuff is so incredibly resilient it leads to all kinds of potential uses for creating these sort of hybrid robots that can go places that humans can't but have I.

Guess, human like kind of brain material. I guess. I mean, I don't know how.

Guess, human like kind of brain material. I guess. I mean, I don't know how.

I'm not, you know, an expert on the subject, but it does seem that there is benefit to this sort of bio factor that is beyond something that is purely mechanical and just to batchat just a little bit. I mentioned the whole light sensitive thing, so one of that was kind of one of the aha moments here when researchers started shining UV light onto the fungus that actually triggered those electrical impulses that then got sent to the motors and actuators of these two custom built robots.

I'm not, you know, an expert on the subject, but it does seem that there is benefit to this sort of bio factor that is beyond something that is purely mechanical and just to batchat just a little bit. I mentioned the whole light sensitive thing, so one of that was kind of one of the aha moments here when researchers started shining UV light onto the fungus that actually triggered those electrical impulses that then got sent to the motors and actuators of these two custom built robots.

And they have two to one.

And they have two to one.

It's sort of like a I guess they call it a starfish like robot. It sort of looks like a camera tripod. It has four legs, so has to be a quadrupod. But it kind of looks like, you know, the kind of like a crab robot or something that would kind of skitter around.

It's sort of like a I guess they call it a starfish like robot. It sort of looks like a camera tripod. It has four legs, so has to be a quadrupod. But it kind of looks like, you know, the kind of like a crab robot or something that would kind of skitter around.

And then the mushroom part is on.

And then the mushroom part is on.

Top, and it sort of almost looks like a little like a spotlight or something like with the white material. It's in a petri dish as my understanding of of how it's loaded onto this robot, and then they designed a second one that is more wheel based.

Top, and it sort of almost looks like a little like a spotlight or something like with the white material. It's in a petri dish as my understanding of of how it's loaded onto this robot, and then they designed a second one that is more wheel based.

So these researchers.

So these researchers.

Believe that this data, these findings could actually help produce future robots that, again what I previously said, are much more resilient and able to not only respond to environments that are prohibited for humans, but they can respond to changes in the environment and would be a really really helpful way of monitoring things like soil chemistry in order to alert the appropriate authorities or individuals or what have you of potential diseases that could affect the soil simply by passing.

Believe that this data, these findings could actually help produce future robots that, again what I previously said, are much more resilient and able to not only respond to environments that are prohibited for humans, but they can respond to changes in the environment and would be a really really helpful way of monitoring things like soil chemistry in order to alert the appropriate authorities or individuals or what have you of potential diseases that could affect the soil simply by passing.

These electrical signals through it.

These electrical signals through it.

It could then be interpreted and the robots could themselves intervene.

It could then be interpreted and the robots could themselves intervene.

That's really interesting, So like an auto get your soil right system?

That's really interesting, So like an auto get your soil right system?

Yeah, you know, yes, that's certainly the main use that's being discussed here, but it does seem like it could lead to bigger, more diverse uses of this kind of technology.

Yeah, you know, yes, that's certainly the main use that's being discussed here, but it does seem like it could lead to bigger, more diverse uses of this kind of technology.

I guess maybe for me, you guys correct me here, I'm not seeing why this is more beneficial than just an array of any type of machines that have sensors on them that would find the same things.

I guess maybe for me, you guys correct me here, I'm not seeing why this is more beneficial than just an array of any type of machines that have sensors on them that would find the same things.

And I'm having a hard same identifying that as well. Matt. It does seem like there would be an analog, you know, in the completely digital or electronic realm that could do something similar.

And I'm having a hard same identifying that as well. Matt. It does seem like there would be an analog, you know, in the completely digital or electronic realm that could do something similar.

I will say it's neat. It's like the fact.

I will say it's neat. It's like the fact.

That that we are finding, you know, continuing to find incredible things that these you know, organisms can do, I think is part of the fun of this.

That that we are finding, you know, continuing to find incredible things that these you know, organisms can do, I think is part of the fun of this.

But it's it's a good.

But it's it's a good.

Point, Matt, and I'd maybe have to dig a little deeper into the actual paper and study to see what that has been. Do you have any suggestions as to what that benefit might be having that organic aspect versus something that's purely electronic.

Point, Matt, and I'd maybe have to dig a little deeper into the actual paper and study to see what that has been. Do you have any suggestions as to what that benefit might be having that organic aspect versus something that's purely electronic.

Yeah, it's fascinating because first you establish the concept, right, the proof thereof, and then you find what the applications of that concept in specific could be.

Yeah, it's fascinating because first you establish the concept, right, the proof thereof, and then you find what the applications of that concept in specific could be.

It's a great.

It's a great.

Question about you know, what problem is this solving by having this type of mechanism replacing other ways to monitor soil Already, I would be very interested again to take this kind of application to space. So we can program robots, right, we can program the inorganic part. How possible is it to program a mushroom to program the molds and the fun guys, Because that's where it gets really interesting. If you could make a code that simply reproduces itself, right, regardless of the hardware, that I think you're stumbling upon something.

Question about you know, what problem is this solving by having this type of mechanism replacing other ways to monitor soil Already, I would be very interested again to take this kind of application to space. So we can program robots, right, we can program the inorganic part. How possible is it to program a mushroom to program the molds and the fun guys, Because that's where it gets really interesting. If you could make a code that simply reproduces itself, right, regardless of the hardware, that I think you're stumbling upon something.

Fascinating.

Fascinating.

Yeah, so that's the idea. I think we're still in a very wide horizon here.

Yeah, so that's the idea. I think we're still in a very wide horizon here.

Oh and one thing I did just notice, Ben, They do make the point in the pop side article to Matt's question. I'll let's read it from it, because it's just I don't want to sum.

Oh and one thing I did just notice, Ben, They do make the point in the pop side article to Matt's question. I'll let's read it from it, because it's just I don't want to sum.

It up as too good.

It up as too good.

Eventually, scientists believe this cornucopia of animal machine mixtures could be deployed in swarms to remotely monitor coral reefs, forests.

Eventually, scientists believe this cornucopia of animal machine mixtures could be deployed in swarms to remotely monitor coral reefs, forests.

Or other ecosystems.

Or other ecosystems.

Once their job is complete, the organic elements of the robot could, in theory, simply be left to biodegrade.

Once their job is complete, the organic elements of the robot could, in theory, simply be left to biodegrade.

So perhaps there's.

So perhaps there's.

A recycled, reduced reuse aspect to this as opposed to like losing technology in space, having debris or I don't know, man.

A recycled, reduced reuse aspect to this as opposed to like losing technology in space, having debris or I don't know, man.

Up until the fungus says, hey, man, why don't I do what I want to do?

Up until the fungus says, hey, man, why don't I do what I want to do?

Exactly?

Exactly?

Well, yeah, I did, And that's the point I was going to make. Actually. In this earth dot com article that you linked us to, NOL, it's titled mushroom is given a robot body and runs wild in fascinating video. The second paragraph in there says this, and I just maybe maybe you guys can react to it, or and then I'll tell you my reaction. It says, when they're sprawling, my ceial networks flicker and pulse, their electrochemical responses mimic the activity in our brain cells. I think it's the other way around, guys. I think our brains mimic my celial networks, which one's been around longer.

Well, yeah, I did, And that's the point I was going to make. Actually. In this earth dot com article that you linked us to, NOL, it's titled mushroom is given a robot body and runs wild in fascinating video. The second paragraph in there says this, and I just maybe maybe you guys can react to it, or and then I'll tell you my reaction. It says, when they're sprawling, my ceial networks flicker and pulse, their electrochemical responses mimic the activity in our brain cells. I think it's the other way around, guys. I think our brains mimic my celial networks, which one's been around longer.

Million percent that I think about that all the time, you know, Like I mean, I certainly am not of the mind that like human beings are just some sort of happy accident.

Million percent that I think about that all the time, you know, Like I mean, I certainly am not of the mind that like human beings are just some sort of happy accident.

I do think there's something beyond that.

I do think there's something beyond that.

But yeah, the stuff that makes up our brain chemistry and are the way we ambulate and all of those types of things. They exist in nature. We're a combination of like all of the best features of all of these various things that have existed along before we ever did.

But yeah, the stuff that makes up our brain chemistry and are the way we ambulate and all of those types of things. They exist in nature. We're a combination of like all of the best features of all of these various things that have existed along before we ever did.

It's a really good point, Matt.

It's a really good point, Matt.

What if the big scary AI thing that we're we've been frightened of through popular culture and you know, through philosophical thought for so long, is not actually an artificial intelligence emerging a general artificial intelligence. It's a fungal intelligence that finally has the ability to move robots around.

What if the big scary AI thing that we're we've been frightened of through popular culture and you know, through philosophical thought for so long, is not actually an artificial intelligence emerging a general artificial intelligence. It's a fungal intelligence that finally has the ability to move robots around.

Yeah, it's something to think about. Man, it is a chicken or egg question too, and it's like, are we just the conduit for the ultimate ends of these fungal intelligences?

Yeah, it's something to think about. Man, it is a chicken or egg question too, and it's like, are we just the conduit for the ultimate ends of these fungal intelligences?

Anyway, certainly food for thought.

Anyway, certainly food for thought.

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And we're back, guys. We are gonna talk about something very weird through a long list of articles that describe a long list of very let's say, odd happenings in a suburban part of Nashville, Tennessee. Or maybe it's not suburban part. It's it's far enough north that it's it's a whole other part of Tennessee that just happens to be north.

And we're back, guys. We are gonna talk about something very weird through a long list of articles that describe a long list of very let's say, odd happenings in a suburban part of Nashville, Tennessee. Or maybe it's not suburban part. It's it's far enough north that it's it's a whole other part of Tennessee that just happens to be north.

Of Nashville exurb.

Of Nashville exurb.

It's Nashville adjacent.

It's Nashville adjacent.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, between Nashville and the next state up which Tennessee gets, Kentucky. Okay, So between Nashville and the Kentucky line, it's a place called Millersville, and there is wild stuff happening there. And it's been happening, at least to my knowledge and to the articles we're going to reference here, since January of twenty twenty four. So every county, every small town, we all live in them. You guys live in a bigger one, but it's still Fulton County, and there's things the city commissioners and folks that you got to deal with on a smaller scale. It's not just the mayor of Atlanta that you got to deal with. But in this case, I guess there's one to one because there's a mayor of Millersville as well. And before we get into what's happening, let's shout out two publications, The Tennesseean and news Channel five Investigates. Yeah, they do good work. Both of these have been publishing extensively on just the weird happenings. So let's go to the first article from the Tennesseean written by Kirsten Fiscus. Ficus Fiscus, I don't know how to say your name, Sorry about that, Kirsten. So the first one comes from the Tennessee and written in January of twenty twenty four. The title is middle Tennessee town acts as third top ranking official in less than a week. Huhuh, okay, it's a Tennessee town. All they did was fire some people. But they did three in one week's time. That's a little weird. It says here that the city manager and the attorney, as well as now the police chief were fired by the interim city manager, someone named Tina Tobin. And guys, what do you think, maybe first, what first comes to mind when you hear about a small town firing a whole bunch of the primary individuals who run that town.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, between Nashville and the next state up which Tennessee gets, Kentucky. Okay, So between Nashville and the Kentucky line, it's a place called Millersville, and there is wild stuff happening there. And it's been happening, at least to my knowledge and to the articles we're going to reference here, since January of twenty twenty four. So every county, every small town, we all live in them. You guys live in a bigger one, but it's still Fulton County, and there's things the city commissioners and folks that you got to deal with on a smaller scale. It's not just the mayor of Atlanta that you got to deal with. But in this case, I guess there's one to one because there's a mayor of Millersville as well. And before we get into what's happening, let's shout out two publications, The Tennesseean and news Channel five Investigates. Yeah, they do good work. Both of these have been publishing extensively on just the weird happenings. So let's go to the first article from the Tennesseean written by Kirsten Fiscus. Ficus Fiscus, I don't know how to say your name, Sorry about that, Kirsten. So the first one comes from the Tennessee and written in January of twenty twenty four. The title is middle Tennessee town acts as third top ranking official in less than a week. Huhuh, okay, it's a Tennessee town. All they did was fire some people. But they did three in one week's time. That's a little weird. It says here that the city manager and the attorney, as well as now the police chief were fired by the interim city manager, someone named Tina Tobin. And guys, what do you think, maybe first, what first comes to mind when you hear about a small town firing a whole bunch of the primary individuals who run that town.

I don't know.

I don't know.

That's the kind of stuff that we were stressing about with like Project twenty twenty five, in the idea like installing loyalists as opposed to experts.

That's the kind of stuff that we were stressing about with like Project twenty twenty five, in the idea like installing loyalists as opposed to experts.

It just occurs to.

It just occurs to.

Me, yeah, exactly. That is precisely the thing that came to my mind as well Project twenty twenty five. Okay, well, maybe some people are getting pushed out because one person, let's say this city manager who is the interim city manager, decided there need to be some major changes and took it on themselves to do this. It gets weirder though, So this person, the Millersville Police Chief, mister Robert Richmond, joined the department back in January or I think in December maybe, when the police department that he was in charge of was under a pretty serious investigation by the group known as the Tennessee Peace Officer Standards and Training Commission. And the reason why he was even in there is because the standing chief and assistant chief both resigned as a part of that whole investigation. Guys, we're in the weeds here. This is a story that is in the weeds. So you don't really even have to remember the primary names or anything. Just know that three major officials were fired from their jobs in this small Tennessee town back in January. And then we go to the same small town now in April of twenty twenty four. There is a guy named Brian Morris who is the new city police chief who is now running things there, and he becomes the interim city manager, and he has to function as both the police chief and the interim city manager because Tina Tobin, the person we just talked about that fired, those three people resigned. So it's just this weird, pretty consistent churning over the course of four months where people are losing their jobs, being appointed by people who are then resigning and or being fired. And it's this weird churn of human beings that are attempting to run the ship there, and it appears that either everybody's failing or somebody is decided that they're not right for the job. Then you get to July of this year when the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation shut out TBI, GBI, and all the other statewide bureaus of investigation. Very interesting groups of people there. Not quite FBI, but really close, right. Oh yeah, And then we jumped to July and we find out that the TBI, the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, is beginning a full on investigation because that's what they do of Millersville and everything that's been going on there, specifically the police department. Remember we just said that the police department was previously investigated by another group that had to do with kind of standards and practices basically, and now the TBI is looking into stuff, and specifically, y'all, they are looking into what news Channel five Investigates describes as quote a conspiracy minded assistant police chief, a guy named Sean Taylor, who is he's the assistant police chief there back in July. He is not afraid to come out and fully state that he believes in a lot of the Pizzagate stuff, a lot of the stuff that we've talked about on this shows.

Me, yeah, exactly. That is precisely the thing that came to my mind as well Project twenty twenty five. Okay, well, maybe some people are getting pushed out because one person, let's say this city manager who is the interim city manager, decided there need to be some major changes and took it on themselves to do this. It gets weirder though, So this person, the Millersville Police Chief, mister Robert Richmond, joined the department back in January or I think in December maybe, when the police department that he was in charge of was under a pretty serious investigation by the group known as the Tennessee Peace Officer Standards and Training Commission. And the reason why he was even in there is because the standing chief and assistant chief both resigned as a part of that whole investigation. Guys, we're in the weeds here. This is a story that is in the weeds. So you don't really even have to remember the primary names or anything. Just know that three major officials were fired from their jobs in this small Tennessee town back in January. And then we go to the same small town now in April of twenty twenty four. There is a guy named Brian Morris who is the new city police chief who is now running things there, and he becomes the interim city manager, and he has to function as both the police chief and the interim city manager because Tina Tobin, the person we just talked about that fired, those three people resigned. So it's just this weird, pretty consistent churning over the course of four months where people are losing their jobs, being appointed by people who are then resigning and or being fired. And it's this weird churn of human beings that are attempting to run the ship there, and it appears that either everybody's failing or somebody is decided that they're not right for the job. Then you get to July of this year when the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation shut out TBI, GBI, and all the other statewide bureaus of investigation. Very interesting groups of people there. Not quite FBI, but really close, right. Oh yeah, And then we jumped to July and we find out that the TBI, the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, is beginning a full on investigation because that's what they do of Millersville and everything that's been going on there, specifically the police department. Remember we just said that the police department was previously investigated by another group that had to do with kind of standards and practices basically, and now the TBI is looking into stuff, and specifically, y'all, they are looking into what news Channel five Investigates describes as quote a conspiracy minded assistant police chief, a guy named Sean Taylor, who is he's the assistant police chief there back in July. He is not afraid to come out and fully state that he believes in a lot of the Pizzagate stuff, a lot of the stuff that we've talked about on this shows.

Twist.

Twist.

Yeah, it called conspiracy cop.

Yeah, it called conspiracy cop.

Right, they call him, they call him conspiracy cop, and they are using that in the thought terminating cliche way that we've described on this show many times, I think, as a way to make people think, oh, this guy is just nuts. At the same time, this person, Sean Taylor, is fully invested in his belief, let's say, his personal belief that many political figures, including some that are involved in Tennessee maybe on a wider scale, are involved in things like child sex trafficking and other nefarious things that are described in Pizzagate, and you know, some of the other just larger conspiracies that originated, you know, on four Chan in places like that. So this guy is under a lot of scrutiny. He's being investigated. The entire Millersville Police Department is being investigated. And then you keep going down to September of this year. Early September, the TBI does a full on raid of the Millersville Police Department, and they also check out several other locations like it appears to be individuals' homes that they search to find out what's going on. And I've put a bunch of articles in here, guys. I think one of the biggest things to note the Tennessee and reports on September fifth that the TBI cut access to crime data or crime data. I guess before they decided to raid this police.

Right, they call him, they call him conspiracy cop, and they are using that in the thought terminating cliche way that we've described on this show many times, I think, as a way to make people think, oh, this guy is just nuts. At the same time, this person, Sean Taylor, is fully invested in his belief, let's say, his personal belief that many political figures, including some that are involved in Tennessee maybe on a wider scale, are involved in things like child sex trafficking and other nefarious things that are described in Pizzagate, and you know, some of the other just larger conspiracies that originated, you know, on four Chan in places like that. So this guy is under a lot of scrutiny. He's being investigated. The entire Millersville Police Department is being investigated. And then you keep going down to September of this year. Early September, the TBI does a full on raid of the Millersville Police Department, and they also check out several other locations like it appears to be individuals' homes that they search to find out what's going on. And I've put a bunch of articles in here, guys. I think one of the biggest things to note the Tennessee and reports on September fifth that the TBI cut access to crime data or crime data. I guess before they decided to raid this police.

Department cut access in what respects.

Department cut access in what respects.

Well, they cut access to specifically the chief of police there, Brian Morris. His entire department was restricted from using the quote financial crimes enforcement neck Natives or Finnsen got it. They locked him out of all that, which is a thing that tracks financial crimes or financial related crimes, and which is really weird. Think about that. You are the you are a full police department. Then somebody comes through and says you no longer have access to this thing that you use, I guess on a regular basis.

Well, they cut access to specifically the chief of police there, Brian Morris. His entire department was restricted from using the quote financial crimes enforcement neck Natives or Finnsen got it. They locked him out of all that, which is a thing that tracks financial crimes or financial related crimes, and which is really weird. Think about that. You are the you are a full police department. Then somebody comes through and says you no longer have access to this thing that you use, I guess on a regular basis.

Yeah, that's like if they cut off our lexus nexus or something like that.

Yeah, that's like if they cut off our lexus nexus or something like that.

You know.

You know.

Yeah, Well, it's supposed to track a lot of things, but money laundering is one of the big things. And then there are accusations here that somehow this police department is running some weird stuff with money, with corruption, with all kinds of I don't know who knows what innigans because nobody's talking right now. The Attorney General isn't giving any details. Nobody's giving any full details because the TBI is still doing their investigation. Thing.

Yeah, Well, it's supposed to track a lot of things, but money laundering is one of the big things. And then there are accusations here that somehow this police department is running some weird stuff with money, with corruption, with all kinds of I don't know who knows what innigans because nobody's talking right now. The Attorney General isn't giving any details. Nobody's giving any full details because the TBI is still doing their investigation. Thing.

This is breaking news, Matt, I mean, this is something that to continue to keep an eye on.

This is breaking news, Matt, I mean, this is something that to continue to keep an eye on.

Right Well, it is, Yeah, it is somewhat breaking news. But it is also just odd because it is a small town problem. This is a very small place right now, pretty isolated from a lot of other major metropolitan areas of Tennessee. And I don't know, I don't know. I just wanted to talk to you guys about it, let people know about it. So because I don't know, I like small town stuff that's happening, especially when it feels like there's some bigger implication here.

Right Well, it is, Yeah, it is somewhat breaking news. But it is also just odd because it is a small town problem. This is a very small place right now, pretty isolated from a lot of other major metropolitan areas of Tennessee. And I don't know, I don't know. I just wanted to talk to you guys about it, let people know about it. So because I don't know, I like small town stuff that's happening, especially when it feels like there's some bigger implication here.

Well, it always seems like these kinds of things tend to happen in smaller towns because they're away from the prying eyes of like larger organizations that would maybe uncover this kind of corruption. So it does tend to to flourish or fester, I guess is a better word in some of these more isolated areas.

Well, it always seems like these kinds of things tend to happen in smaller towns because they're away from the prying eyes of like larger organizations that would maybe uncover this kind of corruption. So it does tend to to flourish or fester, I guess is a better word in some of these more isolated areas.

Agreed. And if you want to learn more about this, head on over to the Tennessee and that's the t N N E S S E A N. It's a website you can find online. Look at the article titled Tennessee Bureau of Investigation confirms raid on Millersville police amid city turmoil. And in here you will you're gonna hear a lot from this person named Susan Nyland, who's a spokesperson specifically for the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. And they're saying that it is a search warrant that they are executing at the Millersville Police Department as part of an ongoing investigation, and that it was the second search warrant that was carried out specifically to look at that police chief, the assistant police chief, Sean Taylor, because it was his house, his private home that was also investigated, but they won't give any more details what.

Agreed. And if you want to learn more about this, head on over to the Tennessee and that's the t N N E S S E A N. It's a website you can find online. Look at the article titled Tennessee Bureau of Investigation confirms raid on Millersville police amid city turmoil. And in here you will you're gonna hear a lot from this person named Susan Nyland, who's a spokesperson specifically for the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. And they're saying that it is a search warrant that they are executing at the Millersville Police Department as part of an ongoing investigation, and that it was the second search warrant that was carried out specifically to look at that police chief, the assistant police chief, Sean Taylor, because it was his house, his private home that was also investigated, but they won't give any more details what.

Would trigger such a raid on a per individual person's home. And I guess the closest thing we have to a clue here is they're cut off from the financial stuff, so maybe they were exploiting that, or maybe he's got stuff at his house that would indicate some sort of grift that he was at the center of.

Would trigger such a raid on a per individual person's home. And I guess the closest thing we have to a clue here is they're cut off from the financial stuff, so maybe they were exploiting that, or maybe he's got stuff at his house that would indicate some sort of grift that he was at the center of.

Well, it appears that we have a somewhat of an answer here. Guys. Remember we talked about this assistant police chief who's a little conspiracy minded, maybe a little more than a lot of people are comfortable with. They're in the small town. The small town is making a ton of changes, and they have been since the start of the year about who is the right person or maybe the good person in their minds, you know, in their opinions, to run the show around there. And then there are allegations that either individuals at the Millersville Police Department or some you know, people who are running the city, the officials that have been appointed or moved around, that they are investigating political enemies and specifically like money stuff with their enemies, which is why they maybe lost use of that database, because that would be pretty bad, right if you were using if you're in an official public position, or especially a police department, and you are investigating political enemies and like gailing, perhaps maybe or again, what if it is somebody who believes that some of these officials are getting into super nefarious things and then wants to prove that somehow because there's no evidence that actually shows it, But maybe you look for other things, so then you just keep your eyes on any transactions that a particular individual does, or maybe even use and this is my own thought here, but maybe even use some kind of surveillance technology that's available to the police department to just keep an eye on people because you've got an idea and you feel something that is happening, so you decide to take those actions, which are illegal even for a police department if there's no official investigation.

Well, it appears that we have a somewhat of an answer here. Guys. Remember we talked about this assistant police chief who's a little conspiracy minded, maybe a little more than a lot of people are comfortable with. They're in the small town. The small town is making a ton of changes, and they have been since the start of the year about who is the right person or maybe the good person in their minds, you know, in their opinions, to run the show around there. And then there are allegations that either individuals at the Millersville Police Department or some you know, people who are running the city, the officials that have been appointed or moved around, that they are investigating political enemies and specifically like money stuff with their enemies, which is why they maybe lost use of that database, because that would be pretty bad, right if you were using if you're in an official public position, or especially a police department, and you are investigating political enemies and like gailing, perhaps maybe or again, what if it is somebody who believes that some of these officials are getting into super nefarious things and then wants to prove that somehow because there's no evidence that actually shows it, But maybe you look for other things, so then you just keep your eyes on any transactions that a particular individual does, or maybe even use and this is my own thought here, but maybe even use some kind of surveillance technology that's available to the police department to just keep an eye on people because you've got an idea and you feel something that is happening, so you decide to take those actions, which are illegal even for a police department if there's no official investigation.

So I mean, Ben, if you in't mind, do you have any thoughts on like what would happen? What happens when an entire government and or you know, a wing or branch of government is determined to be corrupt at its very core. These clean house install an entirely new police department like, how does that work.

So I mean, Ben, if you in't mind, do you have any thoughts on like what would happen? What happens when an entire government and or you know, a wing or branch of government is determined to be corrupt at its very core. These clean house install an entirely new police department like, how does that work.

It's a difficult proposition. I mean, that's why there are.

It's a difficult proposition. I mean, that's why there are.

That's why the TBI is doing this kind of investigation. That's why things like the FBI and theory exist because there has to be some sort of chain of command or accountability. You know, in this case where it appears there are deep systemic issues, you start thinking through things like continuity of governance. You know, Millersville, for anybody from Tennessee has long been famous for being a speed trap town. Uh So there were there were already there were already long standing beliefs, uh that that the the powers that be on a municipal level were not completely above board. So to your questional, it feels like one of the next things that would have to happen is uh an election with a cleaning of house, Right, somebody has to occupy those roles. But it gets pretty it becomes a pretty complicated lasagna when you realize that in a very small town, most of the people will know each other, so it's kind of difficult to find a shiny new penny in a political or governmental candidate.

That's why the TBI is doing this kind of investigation. That's why things like the FBI and theory exist because there has to be some sort of chain of command or accountability. You know, in this case where it appears there are deep systemic issues, you start thinking through things like continuity of governance. You know, Millersville, for anybody from Tennessee has long been famous for being a speed trap town. Uh So there were there were already there were already long standing beliefs, uh that that the the powers that be on a municipal level were not completely above board. So to your questional, it feels like one of the next things that would have to happen is uh an election with a cleaning of house, Right, somebody has to occupy those roles. But it gets pretty it becomes a pretty complicated lasagna when you realize that in a very small town, most of the people will know each other, so it's kind of difficult to find a shiny new penny in a political or governmental candidate.

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Well, yeah, that they hired outside of even the county or you know, they went to different other small towns. Like this guy, Brian Morris was normally the police chief of a place called the Ridgetop Police Department in a county called Robertson, Robertson County, and he got brought over in February. And the other thing here that we have to consider. Guys, maybe we just gave it out momentarily. But what if this assistant police chief has these views and some of them might be wackado out there right, Like just some of those views are so far to the fringe that there's no way it's true. But what if he, in his search for answers to those things, or connections or evidence to those things, leads him to actual corruption on like a city level, on a county level, on a state level. What if he finds actual stuff? What happens then? If you try and raise a flag as an assistant police chief of a small town. What happens? Would the TBI come in and say, Hey, we're raising your place and we're gonna take all of that stuff that maybe is evidence against somebody that we are protecting. Yes, I don't know, that's.