From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of My Heart Grading. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is dol. They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our superproducer Paul. Mission Control deconds. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. It's the top of yet another strange, bizarre, troubling and joyful week, which is why we are here, coming to you live ish from the metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia, with some strange news, the things that don't always make it into the Western headlines, or the things that don't get explored perhaps the way they should. Today, we're going to learn that Amazon is snitching. We're going to learn that there is a a bit of high story going down in Los Angeles. The rumors are true. The stuff we talked about earlier. Robot dogs are getting guns mounted on them in Eastern Europe. That's a thing now. And uh. Also, we're gonna learn about an alleged super soldier program above those ben Which one was the joyful one? You promised us joyful at the top of the show. Is it maybe the guns mounting on the dogs that shoot bees out of their mouths? Is that you leaning end the BE thing? If the BE technology is there yet, but you know it's there to dream it's coming. Usually, if we predict something bad as a possibility, it tends to happen, Which is a strange thing about this show. How is that bad? Guys? We need to help the bees. They need to repopulate if we could somehow. And back in two thousand, Back in two thousand and eight, when we're still doing a blog, I had pointed out neo nicotinoids are indeed bad for bees, which was treated as an unfounded conspiracy until it turned out it was a hundred percent true. And speaking of things that turn out to be a hundred percent true. After being dismissed as conspiratorial, thought um Amazon big online situations with lots of access to the innermost secrets people's habits and lives. To call it Big Daddy m and Chambridge analyticum may take issue, but you know, we're we're focusing. We're gonna give Amazon their infamous flowers today. We've talked about this extensively. Matt Nolan. I were on on a friend show Alien State with our pal MJ earlier and we were talking a little bit about tech conspiracies like the long denied but often anecdotally confirmed belief that your phone listens to you and takes that data and farms it out into targeted ads, etcetera, etcetera. The terms of service for lie these companies and apps, Amazon included anything you download on your phone. Honestly, uh, they all have some sort of PR language that is about how your information is managed and um language legal language, yes, yeah, legal language, I would say, purposely obscure and obtuse. Um. Amazon, which unbelievably used to just be an online bookstore, now has its fingers or tentacles and multiple pies of Western society a D. And you know, a while back we talked about those, uh, the digital cameras basically closed circuit cameras that are now available to households across the world. Yeah. Yeah. Back in last year in June, we talked about the Mesh network right that Amazon was putting together with with Ring and Echo. So the whole concept that everyone who owns. One of these machines would be connected if you wanted to, unless you opted out. Actually that was the thing. You had to opt out. It was just gonna Happen't that sort of like creating like a Wi Fi hotspot like that you were not necessarily that you're contributing to, sort of like crowdsourcing like public Internet. Wasn't that it was a it was Yeah, it was a mesh network. So they would all work together in a thing called sidewalk or there's a new thing called sence pro. And uh, it's still happening, it's still occurring. But today we're we're going to talk about a story that is about Ring again, about these cameras that everybody is putting up on the front of their houses and the side of their houses, and the back of their houses, sometimes inside their houses. Um and uh, and what access third parties have to that data, to those video and audio recordings. So we're going to jump to a story that came out of Politico very recently as of the of July. The title is Amazon gave Ring videos to police without owners per mission. Oh that doesn't sound good, Okay, so the folks ring is right, Yeah, exactly. So Ring is a company that was purchased by Amazon acquired, if you will, And this is a company that builds doorbells that have cameras in them and smart devices that connect your home to provide mostly security, but also you know, just other kinds of helpful activities, of helpful things you can do in your house. Full disclosure. I just got my rings that up going yesterday and I went out on the porch to do something and I got a notification that someone was on my porch and it was me, and it was a picture of me looking quite foolish. Uh So, I'm just getting my head around this technology. It's cool, but it's also super weird. Just in your boxers with a cup of coffee. Yeah, pretty much that we'll call it a cup of coffee. Yet, Oh if only I had a ring on my door, The things things the police would see. Um well, okay, so no, the police aren't necessarily looking at that footage, thankfully, but they are looking at footage when some kind of public safety issue occurs in a place where that camera can see, right, does that make sense? Or just in a basic geographic location where where it's thought that perhaps that camera would have caught something right, either ingress or egress or whatever it may be, within a certain radius. Now, as as creepy as it sounds, the concept of your or local police department or maybe even some kind of federal agency being able to access your front door and anyone that comes and goes from it, anything that happens out in front of it, any car that drives by, any car that drives up in parks. Uh, this is you know, generally personal information that we don't want spread everywhere, we maybe don't even want the authorities to know about. Well, it sounds really scary. Thankfully, we're gonna throw a little bit of water on it because it's only occurred eleven times so far in two as of a couple of days ago. That's at least according to a statement from Amazon. But that is eleven times that you know, if if you were one of the people, you would have no idea. And Amazon, the company that owns that doorbell just sent some footage to a police officer somewhere, doesn't have to legally tell you. M I believe they're not they're not breaking a law. This this is a fun one for our fellow conspiracy realist and the audience today who work in any form of cybersecurity, right, any kind of tech security, because I see into you folks. I know based on many conversations that one way to figure out who's really about their business and the cybersecurity stuff is to look at their house and how analog the tech is there. It's like, the more people learn about cybersecurity, the less likely they are to have things like Google Home or an Alexa or a ring. Um, oh yeah, is it is this opt outable or no? It depends. This kind of thing occurs when Amazon or Ring or you know, whenever, whichever part of the company is handling it, when they are approached by law enforcement officers to get specific footage for a specific date at a specific time, And that is when it occurs. And that's the only time that Amazon says, at least that they've really that kind of footage in this manner. Otherwise, police are working with everybody that owns a ring through an app called Neighbors. It's a nice sound app, righteous, but I'm only because right, I literally got a notification it's within the ring app Neighbors, and you stopped in. But I literally got a notification having never opted in at all saying some somebody found a dog in their backyard in my area. Um, so that was weird, man. You give all kinds of things to think about. We'll check it out through neighbors. Often people will just post their videos or share their ring footage of like an occurrence, you know, uh, strange person walking in the neighborhood at two am, caught on my ring camera. Right, We've we've seen that kind of post before. We've heard about that kind of thing. Um, whether it's positive or negative is up to the circumstance. Because maybe there was somebody really suspicious walking around and something occurred. There's a break in in a car, but maybe it was just somebody walking home. Uh. That's why this kind of crowdsourcing can be dangerous. Maybe it's a member of Congress because facially recognition sure seems to confuse them with active criminals, elite and what was it political? Say at least twenty eight cases. Yeah, it's just it's not a there I do think. Just as a note, we have to talk a little bit about the expectation of privacy in the figurative public square. Amazon and Ring are required to comply with stuff like emergency request in subpoenas. So think about this. What if there is a carjacking and the thief drives the stolen vehicle through your street, right through your neighborhood, and your your ring somehow picks it up or maybe even gets the license number, which is weird to think about with the placement of the camera, But in that case, would that not be doing a public good? In terms of expectation of privacy, A good rule of thumb is if it's something people can see happening at the front of your house from a public space like the street, it's kind of up for grabs. Yeah, I mean that's a good way to That's a really good way to think about it. You're not wrong, then, it's just I think because the camera is like attached to personal property, there's this concept that that camera is, you know, a part of that personal property. And even if it is shooting footage in a public space, that doesn't matter because the camera is mine, right right, such a matter of perception. You you just put it beautifully, Matt, because I also think by and I'm not playing Devil's advocate, We're just we're playing with this idea like a Rubik's cube. But think about it in these terms. By that logic, then could we not say nobody can look at my door you're walking by, don't look at my door. Put your eyes off my porch. You know. That's that's why we have gates, gates and fences. I mean, look at a look at a house anywhere wherever you live. A house that looks like it's worth a million dollars, I'm just saying, looks like it's worth a million dollars, maybe twelve million dollars, there's probably a big gate. Uh, there's probably a huge fence, a privacy fence to make sure you can't say door. What do they say, like fences make good neighbors or something like that. Maybe Robert Frost has a great poem about it, about fences and neighbors. No, no, I'm totally not. If it's a joke, it's accidental on my part. Robert Robert Frost is. I mean, sometimes hype can be your best enemy. But he's he's talented, hated people from the South, by the way, that was one of his things. Anyway, Well, okay, so let's start ba into this. So right now, according to Amazon, at least their official statements. Video from a RING system will not be shared with local authorities, law enforcement, or police unless it is shared publicly, like on that Neighbor's app. Right, then then it can be up for grabs because you know who else uses the Neighbor's app, law enforcement agencies all over the United States. There is a map. It's called the Active Agency Map. If you click on this link, it takes a second to load, but there's a down below it says Active Agency Map and you can zoom in and if you go to Atlanta, zoom all the way down in there. You can see all the different local law enforcement agencies that are directly connected to the Neighbor's App where they operate and everybody's doing it. Guys. Yeah, and this is important. Uh, this is shout out to that podcast. Uh. This this is important to note that the map that you're bringing up here, Matt, is not a third party thing. This is on RINGS official site. Yes, exactly. A quick look at what you will see if you zoom into your neck of the woods, folks. Uh, you'll see a map very much like Google Maps or something, and there are icons indicating the specific first responders and law enforcement using the map. Now, Matt, here I am. I am right over Metro Atlanta surrounding areas, and primarily what I'm seeing in the I T P part of part of the city is uh is a mix between police departments and then fire rescue, which, by the way, fire and emergency services. I agree with that. If there's a building burning, get on it, do it now, dude, or someone having a health emergency, like on the street in a cul de sac or just you know, out on you know, fourteenth Street or something like, if there was a ring there and fire department or first responder could see that, that could be hugely helpful. If there's a zeb that happened, that happened a Grant Park lookout. Um. But you know, if you look at Decatur Knoll or like one of these other places in kind of East Atlanta a little bit where I am, Um, when you're getting just towards the outside of the perimeter, you can just see that every one of these agencies is using using neighbors every Yeah, Matt, I know where this is going right. Um. Surely Amazon has said something about this, well, they have, they have, and this all started because Senator Markey. Senator Ed Markey from Massachusetts, the Fighting mass He sent a letter to Amazon asking very specific information about what can be shared when somebody owns a ring camera, what can't be shared, just asking very specific questions, and then Amazon replied, and that's how we know about the eleven instances of you know, video being shared. Amazon's reply also says, I'm gonna read this from the Politico article. Quote police can't view recordings unless clips are posted publicly or shared directly with police, though that doesn't apply to police subpoenas and emergency requests. So if the police specifically subpoenas for footage within a certain radius because of an event that might go without your understanding or knowledge, or if there's some kind of emergency requests and I don't know exactly what that entails, it says this, uh, this if ormation should be shared without a user's consent. This letter, the one that was in a response to a Markee. It's the first time the company has ever confirmed that it's handed over information without an owner's consent. So, I mean, if you think about the typical like detective work kind of version of this, you know, you you think, oh, this security camera that belongs to this privately owned business, you know, a gas station or whatever likely caught something. Usually have to go in and haggle with the you know, the owner, and and and and hopefully the tapes haven't been a race because they only have one tape in the machine that's like antiquated. That would be the typical way you would go about. And then you could obviously subpoena that information, but you would have to you know, alert the individual that was happening because it would have to be turned over with their cooperation. Now it's all in the cloud and can be taken from you without you even knowing it was used. Is that the long and short of it. I mean, it can be right now, it's in you know, it's not happening often at all compared to the number of rings that are active at all times. Right, but it can happen depending on the events that take place near you. I guess Amazon snitching. But also the there is a bit of a conundrum here, which is first, in defense of this company and others like it, ring the subsidiary specifically, UH, they do not really have a legal right to turn down types of law enforcement request. But the tricky part of that conundrum The reason it's a dilemma is because those companies don't really have any meaningful incentive to fight back against that kind of policy, like why why would they make a stink with Johnny Law when it can just be business as usual because of the time customers don't read terms of service. It's true, a guy from the support dot ring dot com website isn't part of an f a Q can local public safety agencies. I love how they call them public safety agencies. See the location of my house and or camera when they use the Neighbor's app and it says neighbors does not share the addresses at which any devices are located unless you post it on the Neighbor's app or share a video recording in response to a quote request for assistance post from a public safety organization. Uh, guys, this is a thing that happens. It becomes our consent every time a little one step further down our consent. So we as users can post our video content to neighbors, then it can be Once it's there, it's public. It can be accessed by public safety officers, or public safety officers can make one of those requests that they said, request for assistance, and then you can post it again and again. It's your consent, You make it happen, you choose to do it, which could be a really good thing. You're helping solve a crime potentially, or depending how you feel about it, you're just contributing to the over policing of everyone at all times. One of the big questions that I'm sure comes to a lot of our fellow audience members today is what what else can law enforcement do with this footage? How does this work out in say, a small town with a known corruption problem. Small town corruption is very difficult to root out, you know what I mean, It's like getting the smell of fox urine out of something um where the specific references indeed, but I've I've learned a lot recently about fox here, and but the like the the question is where I love the point you're making about the erosion of consent here, matt Um. But the question then becomes, is it conceivable that one day law enforcement could gain the right not just to access footage but to remove it. That can't happen right now from what I understand. But it's not it's not a bridge that's too far away. Man it's a bridge pro from Amazone. It's a bridge pro al Right. Well, hey, we've spent enough time on this. Good luck to you and everyone else. Hopefully our ring cameras are gonna be fine. Good Luck Noel to you specifically, Thank you kindly. I'll report back, Yes, we'll report back with more strange news. And we're back with more strange news this one. It's kind of exciting, fellas. Uh been a while since we've heard about a real fashion heist, um, you know, like Ocean's eleven Style or like you know, like the Wild Bunch. I don't know what they're doing in the Wild Ones. I know it's very violent. Obviously we're trying to steal something. I had to it been, um, but yeah, I mean it's not something that that really crosses our radar very often these days. And you think it's because of the kind of nanny steak stuff that that Matt was talking about in the last story. How do you get away with stuff like this? You know and this are are always on everywhere you look, surveillance, um, you know kind of world. Uh, it's a good question. I think the answer is, well, it doesn't happen as much as it maybe it did or maybe it never really happened how much in the first place, Ben is the always quick to point out how, um, it's not a very good business model robbing banks. It takes a lot more effort and risk than you could possibly be rewarded for, isn't that right? Yes, yeah, do check out uh the brain Stuff video from My brain Stuff Days did a deep dive into the economics being a professional bank robber, and just like the economics of being a corner boy slinging dimebags out in the street, you will be surprised to learn how much work you have to do for how little actual money. In addition, there's no insurance. Uh you know, you don't really get vacation days. Bank robbery itself is pretty tough because a lot of people want you know, end up getting a crew when they're professionals, and you have to divide that up. But yeah, just go to It's something like don't rob banks on brain stuff thanks for of course, I mean, it's good advice even just not not you know, logistically and and and economically speaking, is probably not a great idea for a thing to do better ways to use your time. But if you're gonna do. If you're gonna go, go large, and by large, I think that's exactly what we see here in this UM armored truck robbery that took place on July eleven in the wee hours of the morning, between around two and two thirty am, around eighty miles outside of Los Angeles. Sheriff's deputies responded to a was being described by the the Brinks Armored Truck Company and the UH associated insurance providers as a loss incident, which just about the least sexy way of referring to a thrilling heist that I could possibly imagine. You know, these organizations all have their terms. UM, so we don't know much about like how this actually went down, but we do know that the Brinks truck was transporting a cash of gems, jewelry, loose diamonds, all sorts of pieces from one gem show to another. UM. It was going to the International Gym and Jewelry Show in San Mateo, which is just a little bit south of San Francisco in northern California. UM. This truck was driven by two armed guards were employees of the the Brinks Company UH. They walked away from UM their their charge. I guess presumably to get a slush ear, you know, maybe a red bull or some rooster booster to keep them awake. Um. You know, it's just the middle of the night and there, you know, obviously on a deadline. Um. And the way it's described by the hill uh dot com is they returned from their snack run and they found that their cargo had been stolen, which I don't know if I buy like like, I mean, that would require some pretty gross negligence or some very very crafty and cunning you know, um breaking and entering. But I would have pictured it more as like, you know, one of those things where you your head off, you block off their path and forward and pull guns and and then then presumably there's masks involved of who knows what variety Halloween perhaps William Shatner, you know, maybe a good old fashioned ski mask. Um. But no, this just makes it sound like these twos went in to get some some doughnuts and coffee or whatever, it came back and it whoops, it's gone. Um. The director of the Jewelry Show, Brandy Swanson, gave a statement to the Associated Press staying in between twenty five and thirty bags were taken from the truck UH and that around eighteen different vendors were affected. I also saw it on the New York Times as having been two large foot lockers, each waying a hundred pounds a piece. UM. And here's the funny part. Maybe not funny, I don't know. It depends on how you ask. I guess the estimates of the value of the stolen goods is depending on who you ask. Again, between ten, twenty fifty and even a hundred million dollars, pretty big disparity. And the ten figure comes from, surprise, surprise, the Brinks armored truck company, who you know, are technically on the hook for this stuff to a degree. I'm not I wanted to ask you guys what you thought about this, and I'd love to do a little more research myself. But it's like, surely insurance plays a huge part in this UM. I saw in one report that the vendors for these types of things, they don't ensure the goods for their full sale price or their full wholesale price when they're being transported, instead relying on the security offered by the armored truck company who A spokesperson from that company said that they believe the items in the truck were they weren't insured for any more than ten million dollars, so that while they they do assure the party is affected, would be getting reimbursed for that amount. All of this twenty fifty two hundred million dollars talk is absolutely absurd, pretty wild. Yeah. It was Dana Callaghan, whose spokesperson for brinks Um, and she said, according to the information the customers provided to us before they ship their items, the total value of the missing items is less than ten million. We are working with law enforcement and we will fully reimburse our customers for the value of their assets that were stole. In accordance, Here's the part that I wanted to check with you guys on with the terms of our contract. So if they guys that, when you know, an armored truck company like that provides their service, there's almost an f D I C kind of like you know, guarantee in place. Yeah, kind of said there was a term of the contracts, so obviously varies depending on the you know, the job. We may have to send something, Yeah, we may have to send something VI armor truck just to get a look at one of those Oh yeah, I know a guy, um uh, you raise a really important point here, and I'm so glad to see this, to see this highlighted. We will fully reimburse our customers for the value of their assets that we're stolen. Let me fine if the sentence ends there, but it says in accordance with the terms of our contract, and that that sticks out to me because that is basically a long form version of an asterisk, you know districts. So with out seeing the terms of the contract, we can't say for sure if it's similar to f D I C f D I C. Laws don't have a minimum guaranteed safety, they have a maximum safety. So if they get to ye, I don't know, man find jewelry and gemstones. It's so crooked h or the opportunities for corruption are so big. If I lost something and I knew it was worth probably ten to twelve million dollars, but I do I could make a solid case that it was more like twenty million, then of course you would do that. That's human nature. It makes me think. It makes me think too, is still lives rent free in my head? As the Internet used to say, I still think of one of the episodes on Jeffrey Epstein when I found out all the stuff that was in his safe during the raid, and he just had a he just had loose diamonds, which is like the most billionaire creepy thing ever. You know. He had like some passports, he had some uh some cash, and then just loose diamonds in case. So I'm saying that to admit my bias that I may be totally unfairly seeing corruption where there might not necessarily be corruption involved just because jewelry is in the mix. Now I'm with you, man for sure. And also like it's it's just it's a trope. I mean, you see loose diamonds used as a very compact way of moving large quantities of wealth, you know, I mean, way smaller and easier to to hide. You can hide it in the sock, whereas like cash you gotta have like duffle bags or suitcases. That stuff, you know, takes up space. Um. But another interesting point here is the notion you know, a value in general, Like I always whenever I see stories like this, um, I am always a little bit thrown by how much value he assigned to these shiny objects that are like not good for anything, uh, I know we talked about this in our discussion of the beers and you know, blood, diamonds and all that stuff. It's just an inherent weird flaw, I would argue in human beings that we just at some point on our basic levels, are really just animals that like shiny things. Um. I just don't get it. It's never gonna be something that I'm going to understand, um, and just you know, And and it's sad because I mean a lot of these uh vendors are smaller mom and pop sellers, so that could be in their family. Uh and they you know, do these gym shows. Um, but this could have been their entire livelihood, you know, dumped into these precious rocks. But I don't know what y'all think about just the the the inherent weird nature of value when it comes to things like this. I am on record for years expounding on this, so anything I say is going to be very familiar to long term listeners, and I hope you agree. You can get a look at the arbitrary nature of value currency, money, fiat currency by just just hop on your browser choice and look into the weird things that have been used as currency or signifiers of value across human history. We're talking huge rocks for some reason, We're talking peppercorns, different kinds of spices, and of course, uh, living things like cattle, and people from disadvantaged tribes, rival tribes or disadvantaged communities. Uh there is again years ago, and I'll say it because I'm still waiting for a good response on this. Years ago, I asked what the difference was between an economy as a vision today and a religion, and to date, Uh, there hasn't been a really solid objective distinction between the two. So I'm I'm with you as well. Uh said it earlier. So much of human experience is just the stories they tell themselves. From your own identity, what you what you mean when you say me all the way to the idea of value and what should have value ascribed to it. Well, and now we're obviously seeing that written large with all this n f T and and and cryptocurrency shenanigans. You know, at least we know precious gems are hard to get. You know that that in and of itself implies a sort of value. But like board apes and like you know, crypto punks or whatever, that is just the next level of weird. Uh the signings of value. Guys. I feel like we're missing a major part of the story, and I just I want to bring it up. I have to why did both security guards if there are only two guards present, why did both of them go into a store or leave the sketch Super sketch a very good point. Man. Again, I feel like the story isn't complete. I feel like that doesn't make sense. It does not make sense. Even if they were gone, it's like moments and how and unless it was an inside job, how do they like crack into this this armored truck? You know, these things are like severely difficult to break into. I have personally seen many a drop off and pick up with several different armored car armored truck agencies, and never once have I seen the driver get out of the your at least one person not remain in a car when the other person goes in to do the drop off or pick up. Never have I seen that. I don't care what time it is, like, it feels like that's just against protocol and that's not what should happen. I think we need to look at an inside job situation here. I'm just saying no offense to individual drivers. Maybe you didn't do anything, but we should at least investigate it with you. With you, these are the good questions. Uh. And it really is just something that kind of brings up a lot of other, um, you know, little weird conversations around this kind of thing. But similar Matt, have you have you seen anything further about the the theft of that golden taberne cole remember that story? I did see that there was I think they upped the amount of money if they were they were offering as a reward, But I haven't seen any news about it. That's a heist, yeah, as a total heist. I have a different of a different kind. But I know maybe we're entering back into like the wild West, like heist the territory. It's it's interesting. But um, if you guys don't have anything else to add to this one, I think we'd raise some interesting points. And it was a pleasure chatting about it with y'all. And keep an eye on this one and we'll take a break and then be back with one more piece of strange news. We have returned, and to round out our weekly strange news segments will be honest, I was. It's a bid at an in past. It's tough to choose just one story, it's tough to choose just three, but something did catch my eye. I want to introduce you guys to it. And then opened the door, fellow conspiracy realist to a larger mission critical conversation about reporting and narratives. Let me give you the headline. First, super Soldier fans, if you have been obsessed with dark as secret research for as long as I have, and mad as well, Uh, then you know they're mad scientists cooking up all kinds of crazy, amazing stuff. And uh, DARPA was definitely paying attention to this report that happened quite recently. Russia accuses Ukraine of growing mutant soldiers mutant soldiers, real life super soldiers, similar to the Winter Soldiers, similar to uh so many works of science fiction that you are doubtlessly thinking of as you hear this. Um, there are multiple news sources about this, but they're all doing something a little bit sneaky, a little bit of a shell gay, a little bit of three card monty. Uh. And then we'll tell you what it is in a second. But first let's give you the Western sources, and then we'll talk about the primary source. So if you go over to Daily Beast and I love some of the reporting Daily Beast does. UH. News editor Alison Quinn comes in heart and fast with Russia says it's losing because Ukraine has experimental mutant troops created in secret bio labs. Uh. This was made I think this Monday, and it comes from two Russian lawmakers who are part of a commission to investigate what they're calling bio laboratories in Ukraine. Careful with that translation. This is coming to us from Russian and bio laboratory could mean all sorts of things. It could be everything from a top secret facility experimenting with biological weaponry right like small box and stuff. Or it could be one of those little places in your local strip mall that make sure people don't piss dirty before they get hired for a job. Bio laboratory's umbrella term. It means a lot of things in English, you know. So let's introduce you to Constantine Close and Arina Rovaya. That's the Deputy Speaker of Russia's Federation Council and the Deputy Chair of the State Duma, respectively. They believe or they stated that they had found bombshell evidence from the investigation of their committee, and they claim to have uncovered, through analysis of the blood from Ukrainian prisoners of war, a range of diseases that suggested these soldiers had been experimented on for military purposes. That's a quotation. I guess they're pointing out military purposes so that no one thinks they were getting experimented on, like for funzies, you know what I mean. They're they're on scientists and a lab saying like hold my beer. Um. One quote from yedo Vaya uh stood out, like to read it here quote and we see the cruelty and barbarity with which the military personnel of Ukraine behave, the crimes that they commit against the civilian population, those monstrous crimes that they commit against prisoners of war. Confirmed that this system for the control and creation of a cruel murder machine was implemented under the management of the United States. Don't don't cruel murder machine like that as opposed to a whimsical right, right, honestly, just seriously, this is my take. I think they've got a translated season of the Boys that they've been watching their conflating vaut and compound V or at least temp V for um this latest season spoilers UM and they're like they're put it all together, and they're like, this is the thing that's happening. This is how we're justifying our committee. Well, did that look like jack Quaid? That looks like jack Quaid. This is so, this is the thing. Western journalists are doing great work and it's very important. But this leads us to the other part of this conversation. So you go to the source where this was first reported, and it's a Russian media source obviously is Commerce dot Argue, and you can you can find translations of this from Russian to English. The story differs from what's getting reported our headlined in the West. I should say they do confirm these co chairs confirmed that blood test of Ukrainian po ws uh indicate that they were turned into the most cruel monsters the some sort of a secret experiments, and part of what they said, what they've released so far, is that they not only found diseases in the blood of these soldiers, but they also found these diseases were not normal for folks living in Ukraine, living in that part of the world and be Russian media. Of course, it calls it the territory of Ukraine. UH and they said the content of the substances, the unusual stuff in their blood was far higher than the normal expected amount, which led them to say experiments were made on them, meaning the soldiers, and they were carried out with extremely dangerous diseases which under certain circumstances could be distributed for military purposes. Keep in mind, this is not like they don't have video of some Ukrainian pow sticking to walls, right, or bending the iron bars of their cell, or you know, laser eyes one that's fun laser eyes, they have any of that. What they do have is this this idea that there maybe what they're trying to ultimately do is imply that there's going to be biological or chemical warfare and they want NATO and or Ukraine to be blamed for this. You also see reports of bank notes allegedly infected with tuberculosis they're in eastern Ukraine, and the finding of what they're calling gas gang green in a veterinary laboratory. And this also of all stuff like high rates of hepatitis A and then traces of drugs which aren't aren't fully explained here. Um, they want to tie it to the US military and the allegation that Uncle Sam launched a campaign to accuse Russia of allegedly carried out some kind of biology tical attacks. So the message of this is a little mixed up, kind of like how Brotherhood of the Wolf could never decide what genre of film it wanted to be. There is a wonderful film, and go watch it. Now. A lot of people are calling it the New Vibes, but the I picked up the Donald Trump habit of just saying a lot of level uh. So the thing that here is, um, there are multiple purposes that this statement seems to aim. For one, the allegation of uh super soldiers or human experimentation to the allegation that the US is doing a frame up job right to make it look like Russia's guilty biological weapons. And three the foreshadowing or the groundwork for a for an accusation that it is the US, Ukraine and its Western allies who are actually using biological warfare. So that's mainly what they're saying there. There are a couple of you know, there are a couple of different aims here, and they're not hyper focused on one. But the phrase mutant super soldiers in a post m c U society, that's clickable gold, you know what I mean. That's the value they assigned to that word. Uh. This, this is tricky though, and it's misleading because what is a mutant. A mutant is a life form that carries a mutation, whether that mutation has occurred through the weird yachtzi game of evolution, or whether that mutation has occurred due to an environmental factor like exposure to radiation or purposeful tinkering by scientists who had a lot of coffee and just learned about crisper, you know what I mean. Like again, mutation can mean a lot of things, but the one thing it means is tinkering on a genetic level, insformation on a genetic level. And that's not what that does not appear to be what the Russian side is saying here, Greed, Now, I still I still think they just got copies of hero orgasm. Uh did you read the books? Did you read the books? The six part series heregasm? Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. But watching love Sausage like on the screen was a very different experience. It's nice. IM sorry hearing you say loves of watching love sausage just sorry something to me. I don't know, I'm I'm glad he was in the in the adaptation, but man, this series, which is kind of agelordy the love Sausage of the of the graphic novel series is more of a developed character. I just can't wait till he gets homeland. I can well, I just love all those characters. Okay, Anyway, I think I think they're I think whoever is putting out this information is just a little too excited about How about compound V Well, the claims that these Russian politicians are making. You don't need to add mutants into the mix. You can look at what they're saying, which is essentially biological warfare or performance enhancing drugs, and you can say that's nuts already, that's pretty bonkers, and it's more plausible right now. Right, just a little a little meth, a little coke, a little something that you give the troops before they go out to stimulate them up. I mean, we've we've definitely done it in the past, right, So that's sweep free pill the darkest still won't give me. I know you guys listen to the show. Uh, there's a there's an oyster head song called Armies on Ecstasy Apparently, I mean m d m A was initially established by the government for Houston, not necessarily in combat with for like therapy and stuff. So the song is sort of a joke that said, it's hard to kill the enemy on old m d m A. There's also h One of our full listeners turned me on to a band called the viagraa Boys, and they have this great song for any conspiracy fans called Creepy Crawlers. I think check it out. Be aware that it's it's got to be satire, but it's it's a great listen. It's a great listen with us your genre. Uh. And this is the conversation about the realistic danger we need to have here, which is that unless you do digging right, unless you practice your due diligence and hunt down some sources, primary sources, then you are placing a lot of trust in people that you have not met and maybe we'll never meet, and you're placing a lot of trust in their translation abilities as well. We talked about this little bit in our upcoming book stuff. They don't want you to know. Translation presents an excellent opportunity to diminish the claims of someone speaking in another language. It also presents an enormous opportunity to muddle or alter those claims to make it sound more like the image you want your domestic audience to read. And that's what happens. Like. Yeah, you could argue that I'm being a little nitpicky when I say, hey, technically not mutants, But I spent a lot of time thinking about this, and we know clearly the association people are going to make is not It's not what the original sources saying. Now, on a high note, I want to say it is absolutely time to do a full episode updated on the future of Super Soldiers. The time is now, a gentleman, because right now, if we get in kind of on the ground or second to third floor of this, then we can we can make those terrible predictions that will end up becoming true. You know. Uh, the exoskeleton is definitely gonna happen, right You're gonna be You're gonna be neuralinked maybe to a robot dog that's got a gun, you know, and you can just sort of call it with your mind here can also communicate psychically with the bees that are coming out of his mouth. Again, be technology is not there yet. If and when it is, you've got to include neuralink to the bees. To think all the damage you could do if you have individual access to each bee. Nano drones are a thing. Uh, and to control them hive mind style is not an impossible or um. Yeah, it's not an impossible thing for the future. Knowing world militaries, they would probably if they were using a blend of organic and human made technology, they would probably go as something that could sting repeatedly without being a one and done like a honey bees. So they would probably go with wasps. You know leak wasper psychopaths. You know what I mean? Wasper one of the one of the animals that just kills to kill. Right, it's not necessarily protecting anything. It's not like going for food. Uh, it is. It is the equivalent of somebody walking by you on the other side of the street, seed you and saying hey that guy, and then running at you all gas, no breaks, and they stab stab stab stab stab, stab stab stab stab. It's not just one stab and move on for Safety's concern for self preservation. No, they they will make a meal out of you. I am spreading anti WASP propaganda, perhaps, but I fundamentally believe it to be true. I I can't get behind this anti WASP rhetoric. But uh, I hear what you're saying. I just I can't fully get on board. Guys, you're in the pocket of big Wasp. Matt, this this strange news is over. No, seriously, it is over. We we well. I love the idea of some of the things that we're just touching on that we're going to explore in future episodes. We want to hear your stories of heist. We want to know if your ring or your home camera has ever done anything a little bit weird, right, a little bit black mirror. And we want to know, especially for our veterans of various militaries and armed services in the crowd today, I want to know your thoughts on the so called super soldier research. As Matt Noell pointed out, it is not a secret that the United States has often experimented on soldiers on prisoners on the disadvantage. 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