From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is known. They called me Ben. You are you, and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. We we spend a good amount of time here on the show looking at extraordinary, strange things, from the paranormal to government cover ups, to the inner reaches of the human mind and the furthest edges of the known universe. And we do this as a unit. The most important part of the show is you. We've said it pretty often, and some folks have written into us asked about, um, you know, Matt Noel Bin, where's the shout out corner? And as we teased earlier in a in a previous episode, we've been saving up. So we're returning to a shoutout corner today, not as a moment in an episode, but as an entire episode. That's right. If you've tweeted to us, written us an email, maybe a Facebook message, stay tuned because you might be on the air telling your fellow listeners the stuff they don't want you to know, and you might be asking yourself, why do I want to listen to a bunch of listener mail that seems like a cop out like the clip show of podcasting. Well, let me tell you, we have some pretty cool stuff in here that will be fodder for future episodes and some really great stories in and of themselves. So listen up. It's going to be fun, right yeah, And let us know if there's something that you react to, that you have some insight into, or that you think would make an absolutely fantastic episode. We want to hear from you, and uh, what do you think us? You want? Get to it shot at Konners. Let's get started with a note from Zeke, who wrote us an email. Zeke is interested in something that he refers to as empaths, So these are He says, these are hard to prove, but there's research to suggest that there's something more than body language to sensing emotions in others. I guess body language and speech is what he's referring to. Hear. Maybe there's some sort of invisible way of feeling others emotions that could explain mood swings or things like depression and even psychopaths perhaps who may lack the sense that empaths have in excess. So when we discussed in our Psychopaths episodes both audio and video that came out recently, we discussed how there's almost a lack of an ability to empathize with others with someone who is clinically diagnosed as a psychopath. Right, and there's there's I'm glad this is coming up because there there are a couple There are two things I'd like to address here. First, we were looking at it from a criminological standpoint, and I want to make clear as far as a psychiatric diagnosis, what is called psychopathy, psychopathy or the you know, state of being a psychopath in the world of criminology qualifies along with sociopathy as anti social behavior disorder spectrum. It's on that spectrum. The second point here that you may find interesting Zeke and other people who are fascinated by the idea of impaths is that there is there is somewhat of a scientific basis that goes beyond just body language and intonation. And it's something that our buddies over at Stuff you should know, did a great job with the mirror neuron. So a mirror neuron in your brain. It's a neuron that fires both win you do an action and when you see an action the same action performed by another. So the neuron behaved mirrors the behavior of the other just like you were. You were also acting. It's been observed in primate species and some something similar is probably happening with birds. Sorry no, uh, well, I just want this mirror neuron thing. You may know that feeling when you see someone get hurt, let's say, kicked if you're a male, kicked in uh, the groin areas. So, I mean, I don't know if you guys experienced this, but I feel like a It's not necessarily pain, but it's like a reaction that I have when I see that occur. Perhaps, Yeah, there's a there's a great study by a guy named Marco Yacoboni at the University of Los University California, Los Angeles, and the idea here is that mirror neurons are the basis of empathy because they allow us to understand the actions and the intentions of other people two thousand five. Uh. He said that mirror neurons could discern whether another person picking up a cup of tea plan to drink from it or just move it, clear it from the table. However, this is of course a controversial idea, and we know a lot of stuff gets misreported in the world of science. But Zeke, that may be encouraging to you, and uh, it will be worth your time to dig in. I would start with an excellent primer, would be the stuff you should know episode And uh, I know it might seem weird sometimes that we plug other people's shows, but we only plug the ones we believe in. And the last thing Zeke says here is that perhaps these empaths, if they are real, maybe they can be the key to determining who among us are the true psychopaths or sociopaths, the people who are faking emotions to deceive us. All interesting thought, Zeke. Uh A small I don't know, strike force of empaths that go through and sweep a city just to check everybody. That sounds a little dystopian, but you know, cool. So what's next? I have one that's in a similar vein that I would like to follow up on from Whitney H regarding the psychopath episode. Um. She starts off by saying she really enjoys listening to the podcast and thinks generally we convey topics in an interesting and sensitive manner, and she hates to be quote that guy, but has some comments about one of the things. One of the ways we discussed the issue of psychopaths, UM, there were I'm bringing this up because it was me that made this comment. There were several instances where psychopaths described as wearing a quote human mask. I harped on that several times in the episode, UM and general description of them pretending to be human or acting human. Now, Whitney Age says that she is a person with an autism spectrum disorder and understands what it's like to not understand and connect with other people and not process the world or act like other people UM from her email. Throughout my life, I've had to learn to analyze and censor the way I act to try and get along more smoothly with my neurotypical fellows. Maybe some would see this as manipulative and disingenuous. I don't know. But even though changing my behavior may make things a bit easier for me, isn't for my benefit but to make the people around me more comfortable. UM. So I think Whitney took issue with me using the phrase human masks and describing psychopaths as being subhuman. And I think she may be thought that I was using that as a stand in or applying it to any other neurological conditions such as autism, and that certainly wasn't my intention. I think I was honing in on the very specific kind of calculated nous that goes along with being a true psychopath. And we were talking about serial killers and the idea of sort of, you know, being able to blend into your surroundings in order to ultimate ensnare you know your prey, you know, And obviously that is not something even remotely related to having a condition like autism. And I totally understand the idea of someone with the condition by that having to adapt to make things easier for those around them, and I do not think that as manipulative in the least. Um. I just want to make that clear, and thank you Whitney for writing in. Yeah, thank you so much, Whitney. And this this is a good point I think somebody else may have mentioned in a In a similar email, we talked about the mass media's um misleading depiction of people with this condition. Um. For instance, example we use is Norman Bates in Psycho and we said people that would qualify psychopaths are definitely not just running around, uh, stabbing people in showers and stuff. And I want to make sure that people understand that we were talking about was against the mass media depiction of that. And uh, we the three of us, don't believe that anybody is sub human. Uh. Sometimes people don't behave at the best of to the best of their ability. But heck, you could say that about me and nol And I don't know about you. Matt, you're pretty, You're pretty uh noble. That's a bit of a saint. But don't get any started, Madius st Maddius Cheney. All right, all right, So here's here's another one. We'll go ahead and dive in here. This is a recent one that goes that follows up to our podcast last week on the Battle of Los Angeles. Amanda f writes in and Amanda says, just finished listening to the Battle of Los Angeles podcast and wanted to share a previously unheard witness account. And this is great, This is exactly what we were hoping to get. So Amanda says, my grandmother, who passed away this August at the age of was living in Los Angeles at the time and told me what she saw and heard during the incident. Most of the account was typical witness stuff. Woke up to loud noises, everyone was freaking out because they thought they were about to be bombed by the Japanese Army, et cetera. However, she told me that when the firing finally stopped and all the smoke had literally cleared, that all the neighbors came outside to see what was going on. What she remembered as odd was that the army had the end of a nearby street heavily cordoned off and would not let anyone near it neighborhood scuttle. But was that they had a Japanese um official or aircraft. Uh, But these the terminology they had something cornered down there. In retrospect, it may have just been shrapnel or debris they were trying to protect the public from. But I did think it was odd and wanted to share. Uh And thanks so much, Amanda. Also for listeners who were interested in the paranormal, Amanda says she read a funny paranormal at called No Faint's Hearts in Fort Worth. So if you guys are interested in the paranormal, and you know we're always looking for new stuff, check it out. Let's know what you think. I haven't looked at it yet, but I will this week. My brain is trying to come up with ideas. Maybe they were unexploded ORNs. Yeah, maybe that's one thing, because if nothing really did get shocked out, maybe it was a UFO or maybe it maybe it was a Japanese aircraft and this was covered up. One other great thing that people brought up was what they said was a lack of debris, which we couldn't find. We we have yet to find simularly solid contemporary sources, like sources of the time saying there was a lack of debris. But you can read, you know, the original statements from the Navy and the Army and see how they contradict. And you can also read some of the some of the journalism at the time and it doesn't mention a lack of debris. It just mentions that there might be more to the official story. Life magazine had a whole layout of some debris. But again it looks to be shrapmoll from the ordinance right right, rather than some other piece of aircraft like a winger propeller or a you know. Yeah. So, thank you so much, Amanda for giving us this eyewitness account that stuff is worth its weight in gold, or more than its weight in gold. Since we're talking about email, who's next, I've got one here from Brian who wrote to us. So. Brian wrote us a very long story that he's experienced somewhat personally, at least living in the area where this is occurring in northern California, a rural farming community called Dixon, and there is there was a businesswoman there who came forward with the the idea of let's buy up a bunch of this land here, or let's at least let's take a lot of the land and this we're oal area, and let's make a huge movie studio. You guys, what what do you say? Let's do this. I've got some backing, I've got some connections. I've done this kind of thing before. Um, I'm gonna start buying up the land with this company that I own. It's gonna be great and everybody's gonna make a ton of money. Let's do this. Well, it turned out that that wasn't all true. Uh. This woman, Krissa Carpenter, for nearly twenty years, sold the stream of creating a movie studio here in Dixon. She got local officials on board. She got tons of money from uh, from the county, from the town, from local people who owned property, like buying up properties. Right. So, what what we're saying here is Brian has sent an excellent, on the ground, concrete, ongoing example of psychopathic behavior. So Chrissy Carpenter, according to her opponents, has spent uh uh almost two decades, the better part of twenty years. But she hasn't spent it all in Salano County. She's been in Eldorado Hills, South Carolina, Lathrop, and then you know, most recently Dixon. So you can read accounts, as Matt said, from the story, Brian sent us about various people who have been built by this person or say that they have UH. And currently she had an indictment for or as she had an indictment from mail fraud, wire fraud, lioned FBI agents and UH she told an agent fifty to sevent the investor money went to company expenses. But it seems that that just happens not to be the case. And you know, if you we encourage you. If you feel that you have an ongoing story of psychopathic behavior that you think would be valuable to your fellow listeners, go ahead and send it our way. Up next, we've got one from Jordan's subject line. Officially a cannibal. Since my teenage years, I've had a fascination with cannibalism, and two years ago I finally got to be a cannibal. A friend had a child and she knew that eating the placenta would be something I would be into. She planned it out, and after several strange looks from the doctors, she brought it home and we cooked it like a steak with mashed potatoes and beer. She decided not to go through with it, but I ate about half and it was the grossest meat I've ever eaten. I'm officially a cannibal now, and I can put that strange quirk to rest. I love the idea that I love the idea, George, that your friend said, your your friend said, h who would this be perfect for? And immediately thought of you? And then you were like, you know what, Yeah, give me half, give me half of that placenta. And it's weird because eating a placenta in various cultures is seen as a very powerful thing, right, And I think even like a lot of women save their placentas and you can, you know, freeze it or something and you make it into a smoothie or it's supposed to be really good for your hair. Maybe, I don't know. We got pretty close to making a smoothie and I was terrified the entire time. Yeah, so I just googled it. There's a whole Google instant came right up with placenta hair products. The practice of eating your placenta, by the way, is called placenta fhagy. Apparently it restores texture, body, and shine, yes, according to the FDA. Right, so, right, there's a logic to it though, because you know, the placenta is such a such a central thing to providing nutrients and oxygen for the fetus. Right, and it's got a lot of iron, got a lot of stem cells, stem cells, postpartum hormones. Uh So, some people say it will protect against postpartum depression only if you eat your own and mammals in general routinely do this in the wild. We only eat our own, ben, we all eat our own. Oh yeah, all right, that was that was a good one. Un yet. Uh well, Jordan, we're glad that you were glad that you were able to have the cannibal experience in a healthy, consensual way. It did not harm anyone, and I think that's one of the biggest parts to get get to here. Alright, So it's a good takeaway. Yeah, it's a good takeaway. It's it's the gentle, gentle cannibalism with friends. All right. So we have another email that we think would be Wait, a thing is the placent of the gateway cannibal gateway meat. All right. So while we're with the Jordan's, let's go to another Jordan. Jordan's m writes to us and says, Hi, my name is Jordan. I'm a new listener, but I'm loving your stuff thus far. Thanks man. That's really kind. I said the first episodes. One of the first episodes I listened to was one on Alchemy is one thing I just can't get out of my mind. The Hermes MOPS sponsor advertisement. Uh, Jordan, you said it was fictional, which will get to later. I'm not either. He said the ADS was one of the single greatest pieces of audio literature I've ever heard. I was wondering who wrote it so I could consume more of their media. But I wrote that ads genus storyteller whoever produces brilliant as well. Everything about was entrancing, right down the voice acting. I was bummed to find out it wasn't an ad for an audiobook. Well, no, Jordan, it's to add for Hermes mops, right, and with our with our sponsors, what what we want to do is make sure that we're on the up and up and uh telling, telling the truth. And it's only stuff that we think you would want to hear, we would want to hear. So we do write ads in the house and our our erstwhile guest host who comes on works with us on the show, Lauren Vogelbaum, wrote the copy for that. We've tried Erme's mops ourselves, and you know, it's a whole new world, a cleanhouse. You say, she wrote the copy, but she did work closely with the actual sponsor. I mean, we have to we have to at least admit that, right, right, And she's different now, yeah, I mean, and there was definitely some input from the elder Ones and the like, you know, and a lot of that sound effects not fully work, my friends. That is what they call field recordings from the other side. But if I'm gonna you know, be a little bit uh not modest, I did put that add together with source material provided by the sponsor, right, and I think it turned out really well. So you know Jordan's um, you know, just check out Illumination Global Unlimited. Their their ownly on the dark Web. 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Normally, I'm not very afraid of the dark and conduct myself just as I would during the day, But after listening, the hair on the back of my neck was standing all night. During the off season and after dark, it sometimes feels like I'm the only one on the mountain. Part of my job involves performing checks inside large maze like workshops and maintenance areas, often only by flashlight. After listening to the story of the ghostly maintenance man, I was more jumpy than I've been in years. Thanks for keeping me alert and on my toes while at work. I look forward to more creepy episodes in the future. You know, Ben and I actually just got back from a bit of a top secret journey, shall we say where We found ourselves in the off season, staying in some very remote ski resorts, really very very overlook from the very overlook, but and actually one of them. We were there on the last day of operation before they closed down for the off off off off off season, and our buddy Casey, who was traveling with us, asked, a wai there, It's like so what what what's the deal when when no one's here, is the caretaker here? He always been here? And this it was very interesting because those places can seem so desolate. There are places that are built for crowds. When those crowds aren't there, it feels it feels as though it's still not empty, that there may be something regarding you to follow up with West, because this is this is a very important point. We receive all kinds of correspondence, and when we received that correspondence, you know, at first we thought it was absolute malarkey, and we still didn't. I think in that episode we we don't pass too much judgment. We tell you our personal opinion or speculation and some issues that we have with it. Uh. But we did do a staged reading of this, and if you haven't checked it out yet, we encourage you to listen in and give us your opinion. The person who sent us that email asked that they not be um you know, publicized in terms of their name, so we still haven't heard back from them. We wrote to them and it's been almost a year now. Just to throw in on here at the end, we did the episode on the moon landing, and I went hard on the paint on the room, uh to thirty seven again, just looking at the shining and all the different readings of that. And I'm so extremely jealous that you guys got to spend nights in those ski resorts. I don't know how jealous you would be, because I don't know if they would count as spending full nights. We were talking about four to four to maybe at the most five and a half hours of sleep at night. It's geez, it was more like our bodies just sat somewhere for a moment. And you know, like I said, we're not gonna go into full detail about what this trip was about, but I have a feeling there will be some conspiracy stuff that will emerge from it soon. Absolutely. You can't wait. Yeah, you know what's what's next. Well, I'll tell you what's next. Ben. It's a shout out from our sponsor and we're back. I have an email here from Riley subject line our conspiracy. What Riley says, So, here's a conspiracy relating to you guys. Quote they those behind the true events that you all talk about on the show. Have you guys hired to throw us a bone by giving us the details that satisfy our minds and steer us off the path to figuring out the truth. I do love your show in the approach that you all take to present a logical story and keep it from getting cheesy smiley emoticon. What do you so? I feel like that stopped short. I feel like there was a butt there, a missing but the conspiracy of the missing butt the case the missing but well, Riley, thank you, Thank you so much we have for anybody who has checked out our YouTube show, or you can also see it on Amazon and Spotify. Uh, and stay tuned because we're doing some some things with that. You can see that this is this is something that's come up to us before. We've had people right in to say, you know, you work for an intelligence agency. You're here to throw us off the trace. And I can assure you that if I work for an intelligence agency, first off, I don't know that no one ever told me, and secondly they're not paying me enough. But but I mean, honestly, you know, honestly that that is a logical questions one. That's what we've had before. But I I think it comes from a place where you look at some some people who do work in the same kind of field this show works in. Who do come off as if there's some sort of disinformation, not like as you're not disinformation that these aren't all going to work. But the my point is, you know, we've had people before who said that they think Alex Jones is a shill or a government asset. Poor Jones. Come on, guys, he thinks everybody else's well, here's an well, here's another thing. And I'm not These are not shots fired, These are observations. What what does it do when it does it sound strange to anyone else when there's a show about, oh, the imminent collapse of the fiat currency that is the US dollar, and it's very it's very alarmist. And I've checked out the information. We've done it too. I mean, it's there's no there's no other case to be made. It is pretty much a fiat currency. It's based on people's perception of value rather than intrinsic value. Now, but it really weakens the case when this that episode is brought to you by people who want you to buy goal. You know what I mean. And I'm I'm just saying I can see where that disconnect is. I don't know about you. Guys know that. No, don't know about Scully. But I don't see any government government spooks in the squad. So that must mean if one of us is, they must be really good. It's definitely not all of us because I'm not. I have a conspiracy. Yeah, maybe I'm a mole a moment. I was kind of brought in, you know, late in the game, sort of accepted me into your your ranks, gave me the keys to the kingdom, as it were, and you knew our boss. I know your boss. Oh yes, I mean you know, But what would would it be more in my best interest to to posit that if it were true or if it were not true? Am I trying to throw you off my mole scent? Right? This is like the discussion of the poison wine and Prince Mamole hair Mamo hair jacket, notebook mode sauce. Yeah, now, seriously, guys, I'm I'm not, but you know that that's that's that's something that's fine about this conspiracy stuff overall to me, you know, whether you are all in, half in all out, it reveals things about the thought process and about the way we view the world. Just talking about even the most outlandish of conspiracy theories. Well here's another thing too, and I'm always going to jump into to highlight this very important point. There is a false dichotomy that exists in real life and on the Internet between people so called skeptics and so called conspiracy theorist. The idea and said it before, the idea that, um, some outlandish theory like a timecube hypothesis or whatever he calls it. UH and HSBC laundry money for drug cartel are the same thing or should be treated with the same degree of plausibility. It is a rhetorical tactic used to dismiss real things that one organization or another doesn't want you to know. So when you have friends who describe themselves as skeptics and then immediately dismiss something because as the label conspiracy theory on, it, remind them that the essence of skepticism is critical thinking. Essence of skepticism is not reacting to a term and letting that term UH function as a shortcut to circumvent actual analysis, and that that's it. I think that's a very important term, and it always makes my day when somebody writes to us and says you know, I'm a skeptic. I appreciate the way that you're doing this, or I think you guys could have gone further. Here's what I believe, and we do our best to as an all set explore some things that other shows just don't I don't know, maybe they're scared to touch it. And while we're delving into this, do you guys want to hear a laundry list of uh some topic suggestions? Let me see what you guys think. Okay, so Metal Wolf rites to us, says, Hi, guys, I recently subscribed to stuff then once you know, and finished four hundred and sixty eight episodes in two weeks. I know, I it's his episodes, so maybe a mix, uh, I am hooked. I would like to recommend a couple of ideas from new episodes. I'm want to read these two guys, I want to hear like reactions and listeners. Please let us know if you think this is interesting too. Alright, So, First, the Korean War, could a nuclear strike have ended the war with North Korea? Second, Korean Airlines UH Flight Double O seven was the reason behind the shooting. Next, the Spanish American War in the Philippines, which a lot of Americans aren't really conscious of. UH, ghost ship and the Orong Madon, che Guevera and uh. He says, these are current ideas in my head at the moment, I'll think of more an email to you guys. Thanks and deafly. Here's where things get crazy. I'd like to learn more about trego Vera. I think that's that's pretty cool. I don't know what the stuff they don't want you to know is, perhaps his connections two differing organizations. I don't I don't know. Honestly, I don't know, but that sounds interesting to me. What was the first one that he suggested? The first one that he suggested was the story of the Korean War, which is he also mentioned could a nuclear strike and prevented had ended the war in North Korea? Because as we know, the Korean War is still continuing. Technically there's an armistice, an increasingly unstable one, but technically the war is still continuing. We've always been at war with Eurasia or East Asia, Oceanica, so there's a lot to dig in. Their listeners, let us know if any of those ideas really spark your interests. As for the Arong Madon or Medan. It's a ghost ship that came a according to this story, became a shipwreck in the Dutch East Indies waters after its crew, entire crew died under suspicious circumstances. It's the best way to say it. And this this happened the earliest references back in the fifties, and now it's kind of a modern legend. Wow. Yeah, that one's interesting. Thanks so much, Thanks so much, metal Wolf, Thank you, metal Wolf. And now we're moving on to Rusty. It's a quick one here it comes you ready, Hey, what about a show about these creepy clown sightings? Guys? Yeah, that came up on our secret trip as well. Um, not mainly just in punchy car banter, but yeah, I mean, if it feels like what started off as a hoax or as sort of a prank has either through copycatting and just escalation, become a genuine threat. I mean, people are hiding out in the woods wearing clown costumes and attacking passers by, and I think just the other day, um, one of them got shot in the face, one of the clowns. Clowns. Yeah, people are you know, regardless of fouls started. People are increasingly picking up this trend and dressing these clowns, and it's escalated right as as you said. No, uh, it's becoming a more and more common thing. And there's something strange and sinister about wearing another face and becoming another person, you know. So I think we I think we could take a look at that, because in the post gay sy environment, you know, other other cultures love clowns. When I was living abroad, there were there. It wasn't a party unless there was a clown there. And it's because a lot of people weren't aware of, you know, the West strange fascination with clowns as agents of chaos and change. And Dinger speaking of kids and clowns, New Haven Public schools in New Haven, Connecticut won't be able to dress up as clowns this year. Guys. They got banned. The clown costumes got banned. I mean, let's be real. Is that that big of a loss. I mean, clowns are weird, man, And you know, and now now that I'm saying that, I'm sure there are some genuine clowns out there who would take issue with all of this and feel like it is just dragging their good names through the mud. And I feel for that, I really do. I mean, clowning, potentially, when done with good intent, is a noble profession. I mean, you know, and um in an ancient art, and an ancient art, the ancient art of clowning. And I'm not I'm not not being a jerk here. I hate that, you know, a couple of bad eggs are ruining the whole egg bucket for these clowns out there. I think it's the travesty as as our boy d Trump would say, Uh, it's sad. Yes, it's a disgrace, as DT would as d T would say, uh. And it's strange too, because you know, this is a serious pursuit where people will spend years perfecting an art or craft and then maybe somebody who's a criminal will just dress up in a in a very low rent party city type Halloween costume and then perpetrating These guys probably can't even juggle, Yeah, they probably you know, ride in regular size because it's probably only three of them in the car. I know I'm making like guys, I'm doing it again, but I'm serious. Are there are any professional clowns out there? We really are interested? How is this a phenomenon affecting you? Um? You know, are you getting booked less? Are you seeing people looking at you differently? You know, I mean, I know the idea of calorophobia. I believe that's what it's called, right, Ben, is a is a phenomenon that that I'm sure you know causes some distrust of clowns in certain circles. But this is get pretty ridiculous. So any clowns out there right to us, let us know how this is affecting your bottom line. Yeah, fantastic, and thank you so much, Rusty. Our next our next layer comes from Edwin, who says I would love to someday see an episode exploring the connection between widespread hallucinogen used during the sixties and the government. While Tim Leary was at Harvard, CIA agents were stationed on the campus. Gordon Wassan had his ties to big banks, and more than a few people suspect that Hate Ashbury served as a free range test of the effects of LSD and other experimental agents. Combined this with the connection between the Manson family and I Hate Ashbury Free Clinic, and I think you have an episode for further reading. Look into Jan Irvin it. Yeah, we've done. We've looked at several of these um Edwin. We've looked at the mk Ultra connections. We've looked at in our serial Killer Cults episode, which was that series was way back in the day. We looked at the tentative connections between scientology and Charles Manson during his incarceration, some of the experiments that the Kazynski who would later become the UNI bomber, participated in in college. And is it is it related? Is there's something deeper here? Is there a web rather than a single spider? Yeah, we had we had several people writing about Mockingbird Project Mockingbird UM or maybe it's Operation mocking Bird, whatever it is, Mockingbird because that that encompasses MK Ultra and several other things that we've looked at in the past. So we are on it, Edwin. Stay tuned, and in the meantime, remember when we mentioned these past episodes. If you haven't checked them out yet, you can find all the audio episodes of our website stuff they don't want you to know dot com and you can find various things scattered about the web on us, YouTube, Amazon, various bits of Internet detritus debris. So who's who's next? Guys? All right, I've got one from Amber here with with some great show ideas. Amber says, recently got into your show and I am in love. But I noticed that you guys haven't done any episodes related to our very messed up healthcare system. UM. And you know we've we've done some. We've done big Pharma. UM, that's the one that comes to mind. Can you guys think of any other ones that we've done that might relate to that? Uh, let's see, we've done some stuff that ties into healthcare for veterans, like depleted uranium and rack on agent orange. And we have not done we haven't we haven't done some of the vast healthcare conspiracies. But we've we've done like Origins of Disease with Big Pharma Superbug. Superbug was Yeah, that's a great exact. I think maybe let's see, let's see where we go with this. UM, So some examples might be uh. Amber's email says how difficult it is to get coverage, especially birth control, and how millions of people are in debt because of necessary but far too expensive hospital visits. UM. That's something that affects me personally, and I would love to hear your thoughts on it. Also, how about student loans Sally May, come on, guys, that could be at least a two parter. Oh gosh, my other girlfriend, Sally May, she's her girlfriend. She is gonna it's a long term relationship, my man, Yeah, she is. She's accustomed to a certain lifestyle. See, she's my wife's like girlfriend. Really killing me? What a time to be alive. Indeed, all right, so let's let's move on. It looks like already we're not you know, we're not going to be able to get to everything here. But we uh we hope this is inspiring folks to feel welcome to write into us. Uh, I've got another quick one, Yeah, Susan wrote to us on email. She asks, is Big Sugar the next or the new big to bacco? Now let's think about what that means, right, So big tobaccos the I guess it's referring to the idea that everyone smoked during a long period of time there, especially here in the US. And then we started realizing, wait, the science is coming out that this smoking does some bad things to the people who take part in it. Then the big companies fought against these findings and then created their own research research groups that would then you know, counteract and all that stuff. Um, it seems the science is coming out that sugar is a lot more dangerous for humans than we ever thought. Uh, we're changing up the way labels are on drinks and other foods, like about how much added sugar there is, how many Graham's um our producer here, Paul Decant, is extremely interested in this topic and I know he's doing research on it right now. So what what this refers to is in recent news, Uh, this past few months, oh, the public came to find that the sugar companies intentionally use their influence to finance studies that shifted the focus of heart damage from sugar too fat. And these were decades old documents. This is some real Edward Burnet's type stuff here. Specifically, they paid Harvard scientists to do this. And and it's weird because you know, as you know, if you've read anything about nutrition online week to week, there's a new miracle food and a new hidden danger. Drinking coffee gives you cancer, but also just you know, prevents Alzheimer's and what else? What else would be another one case, a diaz will give you brain damage but also may give you the ability to turn into a lynx. You know it just it gets strange. But there is some pretty solid evidence that there was collusion on part of UH some manufacturers too, to mislead the public about the potential harmful effects of excessive sugar. But it sounds like an episode, especially now we're hearing you know a lot about um how fat, which is again what they shifted the blame to. And certain doses and certain types of fats are actually good for you. Yeah, occur naturally regardless of your diet. Whatever. Guys, I feel like it's all just this one big roller coaster of fats good. Note now it's bad. Now sugar is good. Note no, now it's bad. Now carbs are good. Note they're the worst. Nope, it's protein. You need the protein. Yeah, that's gonna be the next one. And what money it would be to what money to be had? Can you imagine by predicting the next fad? You know, whoever bought a kale farm in just cash? And all right, I have I have one and this will probably be the last one for me for now, just because as we could do. We could make this a two part three parter um. So here's the story about cattle mutilation from Sarah S. Hi, guys, I'm a new listener. I decided to write in after I heard your cattle mutilation episode, only used my first name. Please, this is a real story, and don't say you think it's fake if you read it on the podcast. So we're not going to pass in judgment. I was about eight or nine years old at the time, and I went to one of my granddad's farms with him, and we had gone around checking cows and we got to a very remote pasture. We found a dead cow. Her eyes were missing and she had this medicinal smell along with surgical cuts. As my granddad what it was, and he just roughly said coyotes most likely. We had to chain her to the back of the truck and drag her to the woods. He seemed pretty worried, so I shut up. Neither of us said anything the whole way back to the house, and we got back to the house. My grammy asked what was wrong, and we both said that a cow died, but nothing else. After that, everything was totally normal for us. Anyway, we're up pretty late because we always get back really really late. About a seven o'clock. We saw a weird guy in the front yard. But he wasn't like a man in black or somebody in a cult. He was just there and that is how that is how it ends. So Sarah, thank you for writing to us. We haven't had too many firsthand accounts of seeing cattle mulation. And when we did that episode, you know, we looked into a lot of the possible causes and we found I don't know about you guys, but I found some stuff that convinced me, at least in some cases it was not just an animal animal predation and scavengers or or it's a it's violent humans practicing their eventual work that they're going to do work. I remember that was that was an interesting way of looking at it, disturbingly, especially given the blood being drained and they're not being evidence of blood. You gotta wonder someone was draining at using tools and um surgical to being maybe taking the blood away to use four things. Sounds like the ice truck killer. Yeah, and alwaysh that show didn't jump the sharks so much. Oh gosh, Yeah, I was so great in the beginning, and then also, uh news for anyone who has like like Matt and Noel and myself and our our puddy Scott Benjamin, anyone who has an abiding fascination with serial killers. There's a new one suspected in Japan. Do you guys hear about this? I did not. They've been somebody's been poisoning elderly patients, about forty eight of them. Yeah, unidentified at this point, but they may have ghosted or they may have not been caught yet. So check that out and stay tuned. We'll let you know if we have any anymore. I guess we got time for a couple more. You each want to take a take a shot of one. I've got a fast one here. Then you were gonna love this one. It comes from Jennifer for She wrote to us on Facebook. She says, I don't know if this subject is in your real house or not. I think it is, yeah, but I think it's interesting. I also don't know how much real info there is about this, but I thought i'd pass it along. Also, I love you guys. Thanks Jennifer. When I found you, I started binging while trying to keep up with current shows. Now I keep current and try to binge with the archives regularly, and you guys do not disappoint. Oh man, I thought there was gonna be something else in here. But well, that's very kind thing. Yeah, thank you Jennifer. But she she sent us this thing from the Des Moines Register. It's an article and the title is mysterious winged creature still hunted in small Iowa town. What is it encrypted? You bet it is. It's called well, it's referred to, at least in this one book as the Van Meter visitor, right, yes, And the story goes over several weeks three a group of prominent men reported seeing a half human half animal with the enormous smooth bat wings, fast moving, smelled terrible, shot a blinding light out of its horned head and what Yeah, and they said they ran it. There were several run ins. Allegedly looks like a pterodactyl. Yeah. It disappeared in the shaft of a coal mine. And then some folks set out to research the incident. This is I love all of this. We haven't done a cryptic episode in a while. Yeah, we're gonna change that. We have to write, I would say so. I also here, Mothman might be in our future sometime soon, right, Matt. But if I could quote Vigo from Ghostbusters to death is but a doorway, Time is but a window. His name is Veagle wife. Do you bubble to me? Man? Ghostbusters two is great? Uh? Member guys, member Ghostbustairs. So I, uh yeah, thank you so much, Jennifer. I will definitely check in into this. We also found, coincidentally, um, some compelling evidence for the origin of the so called New Jersey Devil or the Jersey Devil. Yeah, it turns out was probably a political smear campaign. Yeah yeah, I'll fill you an offing and we can go back to it, all right, Mr Brown, The honor goes to you. Who is our last listener for today? This one comes from Jet. Hey, guys, Jet here listening to your podcast on Big Farm Up. I'm a nurse at a long term care facility. One day, after the house doctor had come in to do rounds, I was going through the new orders and noticed that he had prescribed a new drug called lends Us to every patient he had seen. This medication is for opioid induced constipation. Only a few of these patients were even on any opioids. After he came in to see the rest of the patients, nearly all of them were now prescribed this med When I asked my director of nursing about this, she stated, quote, doc gets a kick back for prescribing it. M m M. I'm not completely sure what that meant, but many of the patients went on to develop terrible diarrhea from this drug since they didn't have what it was meant to treat, much to the dismay of the nursing staff in charge of the clean up. Oh wow, Yeah, we've heard about the way pharmaceutical companies induced or influence doctors to prescribe things. It's a shame. It's a bit of a dirty business. Yeah. I told you guys about when we were we were about to have writer and we were hanging out in the office and this strapping young gentleman who is extremely tall, like just an attractive dude right walks into the office. He's carrying a huge bag and there are almost all women working, their younger women who were in the front of the office. He walks in and he has a trade of like cookies and all kinds of food to give to the staff. And it turned out, like just by listening to their conversation while I was in the waiting room. He was a rep for some drug company and was trying to sell drugs to the doctors, or at least sell the idea of selling the drugs to the doctors. Handed out mouse pads willy nilly, who I mean, making it rain mouse pads and pens and swag little notepads as well, maybe a hat, a T shirt, sticky notes. Yeah. Well, I asked the receptionist what, like, what was that about, and she's like, oh, yeah, he brings in lunches all the time. It's really nice when he's when he's around, because you know you're gonna get free lunch. And I wonder what the legality of that stuff? No such thing as a free lunch map. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure it's legal to an extent, Like there's probably a captain amount of money that you're allowed to spend on that kind of stuff for at a certain doctor's office. I know nothing about it. I'm just saying I'm assuming that it's legal, but it's uh, if you do it too much, it could be bad. We should go back into that because that ties into ams earlier suggestion of healthcare. Yeah, this is a good call. I'm certain to see some connections. Uh so, yeah, before we move on completely and close out, I just noticed an article that I saw pop up a couple of times. It isn't directly related, but this is another healthcare thing. Um. Someone published a hospital bill with a line item on it reading skin to skin after C section. In other words, wait, holding your holding your baby costs you just going to show that they can itemize anything. Yeah, and if you don't fight back, it's just going to happen. You have to check those charges. Oh man, that's that's terrifying. That reminds me of the old stuff with the Department of Defense and their contractors and their hundred thousand dollar hammers and stuff, or a hundred two dollar hammers. I don't think there were hundred self thousands. Don't worry, guys, the market will correct itself. Yeah right, okay, the market will correct itself for the people who are running the market, right yeah. Yeah. Oh boy. So uh this this has been a pretty great thing for us, and we we hope you enjoyed. We hope you enjoyed listening to this. We want to give a big thank you to Zeke Whitney, Amanda, Brian, Jordan, Jordan's m West, Riley, Metal Wolf, Rusty, Edwin, Amber, Susan, Sarah, Jennifer and Jet and just the last shout out to Um Simon who came out to hang with us we were on our our secret trip. Simon W. Simon W. Really really met him in r r L, signed the work out and had some drinks and a little bit of some noodles, some some good times, some chats. Very nice dude. Um, really big fan of the show and all the house stuff work shows and really enjoyed meeting him. Yeah, it took it. Uh took us up on the offer to meet us. We are, for for the most part, regular people, open books in a meadow on a sunny day, as I like to say. And uh yeah. And so it was neat because Simon is doing some really fascinating research into imperialism and medicine and the Victorian era relating to mystery novels and also exploring it through the work of Arthur Cunan Doyle, uh, the creator of Sherlock Holmes. And that sounds fascinating. Yeah, it was, it was. It was a great conversation, and it made me think that several of our co workers who are It's weird to describe it like this because we we get at this job things that we're into, our concepts or categories, and we have people who are really into uh Victorian medicine or medical practices, uh specifically. So yeah, so thanks so much for dropping by a Simon. It made our day. Yeah, it didn't make my day, Simon, because I was here in Atlanta. So I'm next, all right, I gotta hang out. Somebody's gotta hold down the fort, my man. Okay. Oh and for everyone who wrote to us about the Mandela Effect, very wary wrote to us about the Mandela Effect. Uh, it's funny because we never did an episode on it, I could swear, but I looked through the RSS feed and there's one there. Yeah, it had our voices on it too. I heard it, and oddly enough, we didn't start getting requests to do a Mandela Effect episode until this not quite remembered episode published. And it's it's strange. I mean, do you guys remember I could swear we we didn't do it. It's like that picture of Marty McFly and back to the future. Fading into nothing. But in this case, it's a picture appearing, or it's a whole audio episode that I don't remember, and it just felt a little off, you know what I mean. I was uncomfortable listening to it. But for listeners who would who would like to give it a shout take a look. It's there in our RS s where and it's on our somehow on our website, and that puts a lot of this stuff on our website. So there was art. It looks like I made a picture for this thing. Well check it out. Let us know what you think to be fair, you can do that in your sleep. So guys, anything else would you like to take a take another listener mail episode? A little down the line, We've got so many more. Thank you everybody who's written to us over the years, really, but especially in the past few months. We've just got a huge list here. We only got to hit you know a few A fraction, yeah, fraction. So we will have to do this again in the future, so continue writing to us. We love having this back and forth conversation where we can really get insight from from you. Uh so it's not just us sitting in this room alone. It's it's pretty lonely sometimes. Oh man, I feel bad for you. No, for us. It's like just the three of us in here trying to discuss all this stuff, and there's everybody else out there. They've got valuable things to add. Well. You know, I have maybe three feelings a year, so I'm not I'm not sure if loneliness is something I'm capable of, but I totally understand, uh, empirically, what you're saying. I think you've had more than three feelings this year, and I think you've exceeded your quota. I know I used. I used them on that super secret trip, so I used the last one. You're depleted. What happens if you do exceed allocated number? I don't know. I would be I guess that would immediately exceeded by two, because then I would also probably be pretty happy. But that happened for feelings an embarrassment of virtues however, Um, yeah, we're we're joking a little bit there, but I do I do remember. Um No, I'm so glad you brought up Simon because we talked about the toy bet tiles doing something on that, which we've which have been around for a while and it might fit in. We have a we have a bunch of stuff coming on the way, and now we have these excellent suggestions. We appreciate your time. Nowadays, time and attention are the most important currencies, and you have chosen to spend some with us. We have some strange things coming up. We are coming back next week with some new episodes. We have some uh, some interviews coming up. We have some different things. I'm trying to be careful about what we say. You know, guys, uh, the election is soon approaching. The election is soon approaching, the US election. 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