From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Paul. Mission control decands. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome back, fellow conspiracy realist. Earlier this week, we began our sadly annual exploration of serial killers who have yet to be apprehended. This is disturbing stuff and as such it may not be appropriate for all listeners. In previous episodes, Matt Nolan I discussed the rarity of actual serial murderers. We discuss the legal definition of serial killers, you know, the stuff that differentiates, say, a spree murderer from a calculated murderer existing over time. We have also looked at corruption and willful negligence on the part of institutions that conveniently all too often turn a blind eye to clear patterns, and we all of us hope we can provide updates to these cases in the future. For that, we need your help. Please listen closely. This is live fire. Here are the facts. Let's just kind of throw everything that you've seen in the media, you know, in fiction, uh specifically, you know in fiction there's often with shows like dexter Um, there's a certain glorification of serial killers. I mean, he's a bit more on the vigil anti tip, but even you know, there's a mystique and kind of a mystery surrounding serial killers, like in movies like seven for example, there they know something the rest of us don't know. But then I appreciate you leaning into the the very true um perspective that many of these folks are severely mentally ill. They're damaged individuals and often are not uh, the criminal masterminds they're made out to be um in pop culture. Yeah, even somebody like Dennis Raider, who successfully evaded capture for so long, dud. It had nothing to do with his necessarily intelligence. It was more in a few of the tactics that he had started to use an employe and that's what kept him and also being able to take extremely long cooling off periods. I think that's what kept him from being caught for so long. And that case is interesting because that individual was apprehended due to a very simple error, literally sending stuff that could be traced back to the church where he worked. And also to compound the stupidity there, Uh, this guy Dennis Rader wrote to law enforcements saying, hey, I can send this to you anonymously, and they said, yeah, sure, pal, go ahead, send it off. And then he got mad when he got popped because he is, as you said, Noel, uh, not intelligent. Very few of them are the myth of a hannibal lecter, isnt nine just that a myth? We also are going to talk a little bit about sample size and the problem of figuring out the prevalence or lack thereof, of actual serial killers. The people are rare folks, thankfully, but they do exist. It's a matter of fact. There may be one listening now. We won't know. Um, we may never know. But you know, to the point about fiction, maybe the best fictional depiction of these sorts of individuals is found in the show mind Hunters. You guys remember mind Hunters on Netflix. I think at two seasons, that's right. Unfortunately, got canceled. I think it was pretty pricey. David Fincher does a lot of takes, but uh yeah, really good. That guy from who played was it Um the King in uh in Hamilton's and also is in High School Musical, he played a fantastic profiler in that show. Yeah. Mind Hunters explores the genesis of modern profiling, and in that show, the protagonist interview actual serial murderers with the aim being to see what makes them tick. And in the age of ubiquitous information, you are only one YouTube search away from excerpts of interviews with murderers who were caught after the fact, folks like Lonnie David Franklin Jr. The so called grim sleeper. I'm saying so called because I have some serious beef and dilemmas with with the way the media identifies these folks. Typically, again, they exhibit lower than average i Q. Right, And the ones that have been caught are always on a degenerative spiral. Right, It's only a matter of time. The vast majority, in some way, you could argue, want to be caught. They want the notoriety, they want the external validation. Above all, they want to be important. And this second episode is not concerned with that demographic. We all need to acknowledge that the conversation surrounding quote unquote serial killers is unfortunately limited to only those individuals who have been arrested, were identified, were charged, if not convicted, of their crimes. So in this episode, we're asking what about the other side of the equation, what about the ones who can get away? We're gonna pause for a word from our sponsor and we'll return. Here's where it gets crazy. We talked about the surveillance state all the time on this show, and it is true. If you are hearing this you live in a surveillance state, you know you might be listening to this podcast on your phone. If so, of course, thank you. But also, your location is there, your your habits are there. You know your phone knows you the abyss stairs back. So it may surprise some of us to know that even today in it is sadly, stupidly possible for an individual to calculate and successfully carry out a homicide. There's a brief but disturbing thought experiment we could set up to explore this idea. Yeah, okay, who wants to take it? It's solid though, it's solid It's true Ben did write out this, uh description of how to serial kill. Well, it's important to to, you know, identify the terms here so we know what we're working with. Thought experiments here, manual thought experiment. This is uh, this is in no way just too real us condoning this. But yeah, but maybe I think it's important, Matt Noel, it's important for people to know this, this is plausible. All right, Well, let's get started. Let's say you are an average individual and you happen to be mail. You happen to have an average or so height around an average height, average weight, average build. Let's say you've got some kind of job that requires you to travel, and generally when you travel, it's two cities, cities that have a large population and probably a relatively high death slash homicide rate. Yeah, alright, so you're that person. You're the Honda Civic of America, right, Someone who looks like you is everywhere and you are, let's say, also tech savvy. You know your phone has the capability to track you. You know also that any card, a k on cash purchase you make can also be tracked. But you also know the statistics. You know that st Louis has about sixty nine murders per one thousand people per year. You also know that places like Baltimore, New Orleans, Detroit, Cleveland, and Las Vegas in that order, suffer from similar rates. Knowing this information, would it be difficult for you to say, attend to convention, a large sports game, any kind of big to do under an official alibi. You're at work, you know you're traveling, you leave your phone, a k your location at your hotel, you head out into the night, go on a night walk. Hey, everybody loves a good night walk. But let's just say you were UM to target someone on the fringes of society, like someone who is without a home, UM, a sex worker, someone who's undocumented, Folks who lack the kind of support networks UM and frankly channels that they would even need to report uh any crime to law enforcement because they stand the risk of being out in and the prosecuted if they do. UM. So this is this makes them unfortunately easy prey. So that means that in this hypothetical, highly highly hypothetical situation, UM you see it that way, you are identifying these people as um easy pickings, the same way that you know, you might someone walking alone at night might be targeted as an easy mark, you know, for robbery. Um, this goes further than that, you know, to to It extends into like more of a big picture kind of like how is this person going to Who's going to know if this person goes missing, who's going to say anything or do anything about it or even find out? How long will this even go unreported? And you're you're banking and hope that it will be quite a while, thus allowing you to get away, get out of the area, move on to other pastures. Once you get the hang of this formula, then you kind of get yourself into a routine of doing it this way, rents and repeat a cycle. You know. That's why that's why interstates are so dangerous in certain stretches of the United States and Canada as well as Mexico, you know, all of North America, honestly, and when we look at this stuff, we can begin to assemble a pattern. The mission critical thing here is for us all to acknowledge that the entirety of discourse on serial murderers in the West today is based on the people who got caught right and maybe they got caught after they died. Maybe they got tied to some DNA evidence. Maybe they turned themselves is in. Maybe, but what about the ones who didn't. Uh, let's let's stick with the interstate idea here. Let's go with some examples. Let's talk about I seventy Interstate seventy in the spring of nine two, kind of a long time ago. Now, there was someone murdering at least six people in the Midwest, and they tried to disguise these murders as garden variety stick ups, but they were not smart enough to do so. Each of these murders that we know of occurs just a few miles off Interstate seventy. Now, if you are a fan of road trips, you know that there is a there's kind of a culture of interstate rest stops, right, Like we all we've all been on the road and we see, you know, a big gas station, of flying j or a pilot or what's really popular are now BUCkies? You guys hear about BUCkies. Yeah, those they're like really popular in Texas. But they're like it's like a it's like a gas station's last slash grocery store slash like mini Walmart. In the cell y apparently right right, there's this whole world of people that live kind of in those gas stations, you know, that's where they stop and get a shower, that's where they like answer their email, et cetera. This person, and it does seem to be one person, was not targeting those population centers. Instead, they were looking for women working alone in specialty boutique stores. Yeah, we can look at the first murder that happened on April eight. The victims name was Robin fuldoer f u l d A. You are. She was twenty six years old. She was working at a payless shoe store when somebody entered that store while she was alone. Besides this person, Uh, somebody shot her and then put her body in the back of the storage room or she was taken there when she was shot. Uh. She was shot in the store at all out one thirty PM and then discovered about an hour and a half later during the day during the afternoon. When you think about serial killings, you imagine it's at night, it's in some place that's isolated, and you're in a placement room. Maybe you shouldn't be right if you imagine yourself being a possible victim of something like this. You don't imagine it's while you're at work, while you feel safe and you're just doing the regular thing that you're supposed to be doing. Yeah, that's right. And um, you know, he had a particular type that he was targeting as well. Um, it's particularly focused on young, small of frame, brown haired women. Uh. In all of the cases, there was a little bit of cash stolen possible as a subterfuge, you know, to to you know, throw investigators off the trail, make it look more like a stick up, you know, or just you know, mugging. Uh. And in each case, the murderer targeted these very kind of niche specialty stores. In particular, he was attracted to stores with female identifying names, which is very interesting, especially if they were presented in you know, on a sign you could see from the street, because that would have attracted imagine there's maybe some phone book trolling that went they went into this as well, but maybe just seeing it from the street would have would have been enough to trigger a little bit of recon Yeah, there's there's only one victim that doesn't fit that profile, as a male victim who was killed while working at his mother's ceramics store. And to your point, no, it does sound like the guy was targeting places where he thought there would be a woman working alone, maybe in the in the slow shift in the cs the time of the late afternoon. Investigators do suspect this killer assumed that there would be a female identifying victim on their own in the store they ran into a dude killed him anyhow, and despite extensive media coverage, there have been no leads on this case as of the time of recording, which means, again, as we said in our previous episode, whomever is responsible for this has either been arrested for something else, they're dead, or they are in a dormant period, because they always come back, unfortunately, and this leads us to a more complicated case. If you go about a mile from Interstate you will see a place called League City, Texas. In Leagues City, Texas, there's a stretch of land about acres or so with a very dark reputation. It is known as the Killing Fields. Since the nineteen seventies, there have been at least thirty bodies of murder victims found in this area disposed of. This leads to investigators to suspect. It is a dumping ground for not one, but multiple killers, and most of these victims, strangely enough, fit similar profile, mostly female, identifying anywhere between twelve to twenty five years of age. And the strangest thing is that law enforcement has I did conclusively like DNA based conclusively idd multiple murderers, but still not all. Uh. It's astonishing that this case doesn't get more investigation, doesn't get more acknowledgement. I can't even call it a case. It's multiple cases, multiple cases. Yeah. The location really is creepy. It's got a weird air about it. It feels like some kind of burial ground or graveyard. I mean it is literally right, we know this place where many many bodies were dumped. But because it was at one time used, um by people who are trying to get oil out of the ground, I thought you were I thought you were kind of making a joke when you're saying it has uh like, what was it a dark history? Because I was imagining the oil that is underneath it, um. But to me, it's the creepy factor of the killing fields is overwhelming because you're the story as well, the location and the story, because your mind goes to so many different places when you think about multiple people using it as a dumping ground. Agree, because that means we can logically assume that some of these murderers were at some point aware that there were other operators involved, right someone, probably multiple people, I knew that other people they may have never met. We're killing folks and putting their bodies in this area, and they went with it and they got away, and right now, you know, to be clear, folks, this is not a dan on Texas law enforcement. This is not a hit piece on law enforcement in general, honestly, because the professionals there are working with the best information they have. Unfortunately, they don't have all the information they need, which is where you play a part. Not to sound too much like we're America's most wanted or something, but this is a problem. The evidence is out there somewhere, and it is quite possible to bring closure for the survivors of of these victims. I would say, not to soapbox. Yeah, agreed, um, and uh, We've certainly seen longer time periods past than this with with some resolution. So here's hoping that that they do get the justice, at the very least the peace of mind that that they deserve. Is creepy to think it is so close to Houston to guys like it's it's the suburbs of Houston in the place we're talking about, densely populated area. M This is troubling, troubling stuff. But we didn't want to end on a nihilistic note, so we're gonna pause for a word from our sponsors. Stick with us, folks, we'll be back with something like good news mhm. And we've returned. Let's stick to the interstates here in the US, but let's get a little bit of good news I sixty five. You know, we can at least bring some closure here. Someone did get caught, not in the perfect way, and people still died, but almost like the end of True Detective Season one, someone got identified and hopefully this brings a little bit of closure to the people involved. That's right. A gentleman by the name of Harry Edward Greenwell. For decades UM has been wandering through Um, Indiana and Kentucky, targeting women in motels. Um. The search for Greenwell began in nine when the first known victim, age forty one, was found assaulted and shot to behind the Super eight motel in Elizabethtown, Kentucky. UM. Greenwell was a native of Kentucky. He spent time in prison for robbery UH, and then he worked on the railroads across the Midwest for years. UM. He died without answering for his crimes at home UM the age of sixty eight from cancer in Iowa. So certainly not the type of and that someone of that level of depravity deserved. We're not here to pass judgment per se. But it doesn't seem right. UM. But there is good news because just this month, right as we record this episode, law enforcement have conclusively linked his d NA to the crimes. UM. The I six killer was determined to be Greenwell. So even though he's not with us anymore and he in life evaded the law, at least the victims families know who did it and that he's not out there at large anymore. I would say the alternative that being the alternative is uh is far, far worse. Um. It's not the most comforting news in the world. But there's something you know, to add to give a little bit of closure, uh and a feeling of some as semblance of justice for the survivors. Yeah. And as a side note, when Harry Edward Greenwell did die at sixty eight, that was two which you know, when you think about it's been gosh, I's been nine years since since his death. But at least they were able to find him, much in the same way they were able to identify the the Golden State Killer a k a. The original night Stalker. Um. I'm really hoping that technology continues, like forensic genealogy and some of the other techniques, continues to catch people. And even if it is like this with the case of the just identifying who the person was, even if it's posthumously, because it's it's at least that tiny little bit of knowing or understanding what occurred. Agreed, and here for now our story pauses, Folks. We would love to say it ends here, but unfortunately this is not the case. If you were anyone you know suspects, they may have encountered something like the cases we outlined this week, and particularly if you feel local law enforcement has ignored reports, please do contact us and stay safe. We want to make sure that we keep eyes on these sorts of cases because they're real. They're real. It's actively stuff they don't want you to know. Here's how to find us online. I'm sorry. You can find us on Facebook where we have the group Here's where gets crazy. 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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Paul. Mission control decands. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome back, fellow conspiracy realist. Earlier this week, we began our sadly annual exploration of serial killers who have yet to be apprehended. This is disturbing stuff and as such it may not be appropriate for all listeners. In previous episodes, Matt Nolan I discussed the rarity of actual serial murderers. We discuss the legal definition of serial killers, you know, the stuff that differentiates, say, a spree murderer from a calculated murderer existing over time. We have also looked at corruption and willful negligence on the part of institutions that conveniently all too often turn a blind eye to clear patterns, and we all of us hope we can provide updates to these cases in the future. For that, we need your help. Please listen closely. This is live fire. Here are the facts. Let's just kind of throw everything that you've seen in the media, you know, in fiction, uh specifically, you know in fiction there's often with shows like dexter Um, there's a certain glorification of serial killers. I mean, he's a bit more on the vigil anti tip, but even you know, there's a mystique and kind of a mystery surrounding serial killers, like in movies like seven for example, there they know something the rest of us don't know. But then I appreciate you leaning into the the very true um perspective that many of these folks are severely mentally ill. They're damaged individuals and often are not uh, the criminal masterminds they're made out to be um in pop culture. Yeah, even somebody like Dennis Raider, who successfully evaded capture for so long, dud. It had nothing to do with his necessarily intelligence. It was more in a few of the tactics that he had started to use an employe and that's what kept him and also being able to take extremely long cooling off periods. I think that's what kept him from being caught for so long. And that case is interesting because that individual was apprehended due to a very simple error, literally sending stuff that could be traced back to the church where he worked. And also to compound the stupidity there, Uh, this guy Dennis Rader wrote to law enforcements saying, hey, I can send this to you anonymously, and they said, yeah, sure, pal, go ahead, send it off. And then he got mad when he got popped because he is, as you said, Noel, uh, not intelligent. Very few of them are the myth of a hannibal lecter, isnt nine just that a myth? We also are going to talk a little bit about sample size and the problem of figuring out the prevalence or lack thereof, of actual serial killers. The people are rare folks, thankfully, but they do exist. It's a matter of fact. There may be one listening now. We won't know. Um, we may never know. But you know, to the point about fiction, maybe the best fictional depiction of these sorts of individuals is found in the show mind Hunters. You guys remember mind Hunters on Netflix. I think at two seasons, that's right. Unfortunately, got canceled. I think it was pretty pricey. David Fincher does a lot of takes, but uh yeah, really good. That guy from who played was it Um the King in uh in Hamilton's and also is in High School Musical, he played a fantastic profiler in that show. Yeah. Mind Hunters explores the genesis of modern profiling, and in that show, the protagonist interview actual serial murderers with the aim being to see what makes them tick. And in the age of ubiquitous information, you are only one YouTube search away from excerpts of interviews with murderers who were caught after the fact, folks like Lonnie David Franklin Jr. The so called grim sleeper. I'm saying so called because I have some serious beef and dilemmas with with the way the media identifies these folks. Typically, again, they exhibit lower than average i Q. Right, And the ones that have been caught are always on a degenerative spiral. Right, It's only a matter of time. The vast majority, in some way, you could argue, want to be caught. They want the notoriety, they want the external validation. Above all, they want to be important. And this second episode is not concerned with that demographic. We all need to acknowledge that the conversation surrounding quote unquote serial killers is unfortunately limited to only those individuals who have been arrested, were identified, were charged, if not convicted, of their crimes. So in this episode, we're asking what about the other side of the equation, what about the ones who can get away? We're gonna pause for a word from our sponsor and we'll return. Here's where it gets crazy. We talked about the surveillance state all the time on this show, and it is true. If you are hearing this you live in a surveillance state, you know you might be listening to this podcast on your phone. If so, of course, thank you. But also, your location is there, your your habits are there. You know your phone knows you the abyss stairs back. So it may surprise some of us to know that even today in it is sadly, stupidly possible for an individual to calculate and successfully carry out a homicide. There's a brief but disturbing thought experiment we could set up to explore this idea. Yeah, okay, who wants to take it? It's solid though, it's solid It's true Ben did write out this, uh description of how to serial kill. Well, it's important to to, you know, identify the terms here so we know what we're working with. Thought experiments here, manual thought experiment. This is uh, this is in no way just too real us condoning this. But yeah, but maybe I think it's important, Matt Noel, it's important for people to know this, this is plausible. All right, Well, let's get started. Let's say you are an average individual and you happen to be mail. You happen to have an average or so height around an average height, average weight, average build. Let's say you've got some kind of job that requires you to travel, and generally when you travel, it's two cities, cities that have a large population and probably a relatively high death slash homicide rate. Yeah, alright, so you're that person. You're the Honda Civic of America, right, Someone who looks like you is everywhere and you are, let's say, also tech savvy. You know your phone has the capability to track you. You know also that any card, a k on cash purchase you make can also be tracked. But you also know the statistics. You know that st Louis has about sixty nine murders per one thousand people per year. You also know that places like Baltimore, New Orleans, Detroit, Cleveland, and Las Vegas in that order, suffer from similar rates. Knowing this information, would it be difficult for you to say, attend to convention, a large sports game, any kind of big to do under an official alibi. You're at work, you know you're traveling, you leave your phone, a k your location at your hotel, you head out into the night, go on a night walk. Hey, everybody loves a good night walk. But let's just say you were UM to target someone on the fringes of society, like someone who is without a home, UM, a sex worker, someone who's undocumented, Folks who lack the kind of support networks UM and frankly channels that they would even need to report uh any crime to law enforcement because they stand the risk of being out in and the prosecuted if they do. UM. So this is this makes them unfortunately easy prey. So that means that in this hypothetical, highly highly hypothetical situation, UM you see it that way, you are identifying these people as um easy pickings, the same way that you know, you might someone walking alone at night might be targeted as an easy mark, you know, for robbery. Um, this goes further than that, you know, to to It extends into like more of a big picture kind of like how is this person going to Who's going to know if this person goes missing, who's going to say anything or do anything about it or even find out? How long will this even go unreported? And you're you're banking and hope that it will be quite a while, thus allowing you to get away, get out of the area, move on to other pastures. Once you get the hang of this formula, then you kind of get yourself into a routine of doing it this way, rents and repeat a cycle. You know. That's why that's why interstates are so dangerous in certain stretches of the United States and Canada as well as Mexico, you know, all of North America, honestly, and when we look at this stuff, we can begin to assemble a pattern. The mission critical thing here is for us all to acknowledge that the entirety of discourse on serial murderers in the West today is based on the people who got caught right and maybe they got caught after they died. Maybe they got tied to some DNA evidence. Maybe they turned themselves is in. Maybe, but what about the ones who didn't. Uh, let's let's stick with the interstate idea here. Let's go with some examples. Let's talk about I seventy Interstate seventy in the spring of nine two, kind of a long time ago. Now, there was someone murdering at least six people in the Midwest, and they tried to disguise these murders as garden variety stick ups, but they were not smart enough to do so. Each of these murders that we know of occurs just a few miles off Interstate seventy. Now, if you are a fan of road trips, you know that there is a there's kind of a culture of interstate rest stops, right, Like we all we've all been on the road and we see, you know, a big gas station, of flying j or a pilot or what's really popular are now BUCkies? You guys hear about BUCkies. Yeah, those they're like really popular in Texas. But they're like it's like a it's like a gas station's last slash grocery store slash like mini Walmart. In the cell y apparently right right, there's this whole world of people that live kind of in those gas stations, you know, that's where they stop and get a shower, that's where they like answer their email, et cetera. This person, and it does seem to be one person, was not targeting those population centers. Instead, they were looking for women working alone in specialty boutique stores. Yeah, we can look at the first murder that happened on April eight. The victims name was Robin fuldoer f u l d A. You are. She was twenty six years old. She was working at a payless shoe store when somebody entered that store while she was alone. Besides this person, Uh, somebody shot her and then put her body in the back of the storage room or she was taken there when she was shot. Uh. She was shot in the store at all out one thirty PM and then discovered about an hour and a half later during the day during the afternoon. When you think about serial killings, you imagine it's at night, it's in some place that's isolated, and you're in a placement room. Maybe you shouldn't be right if you imagine yourself being a possible victim of something like this. You don't imagine it's while you're at work, while you feel safe and you're just doing the regular thing that you're supposed to be doing. Yeah, that's right. And um, you know, he had a particular type that he was targeting as well. Um, it's particularly focused on young, small of frame, brown haired women. Uh. In all of the cases, there was a little bit of cash stolen possible as a subterfuge, you know, to to you know, throw investigators off the trail, make it look more like a stick up, you know, or just you know, mugging. Uh. And in each case, the murderer targeted these very kind of niche specialty stores. In particular, he was attracted to stores with female identifying names, which is very interesting, especially if they were presented in you know, on a sign you could see from the street, because that would have attracted imagine there's maybe some phone book trolling that went they went into this as well, but maybe just seeing it from the street would have would have been enough to trigger a little bit of recon Yeah, there's there's only one victim that doesn't fit that profile, as a male victim who was killed while working at his mother's ceramics store. And to your point, no, it does sound like the guy was targeting places where he thought there would be a woman working alone, maybe in the in the slow shift in the cs the time of the late afternoon. Investigators do suspect this killer assumed that there would be a female identifying victim on their own in the store they ran into a dude killed him anyhow, and despite extensive media coverage, there have been no leads on this case as of the time of recording, which means, again, as we said in our previous episode, whomever is responsible for this has either been arrested for something else, they're dead, or they are in a dormant period, because they always come back, unfortunately, and this leads us to a more complicated case. If you go about a mile from Interstate you will see a place called League City, Texas. In Leagues City, Texas, there's a stretch of land about acres or so with a very dark reputation. It is known as the Killing Fields. Since the nineteen seventies, there have been at least thirty bodies of murder victims found in this area disposed of. This leads to investigators to suspect. It is a dumping ground for not one, but multiple killers, and most of these victims, strangely enough, fit similar profile, mostly female, identifying anywhere between twelve to twenty five years of age. And the strangest thing is that law enforcement has I did conclusively like DNA based conclusively idd multiple murderers, but still not all. Uh. It's astonishing that this case doesn't get more investigation, doesn't get more acknowledgement. I can't even call it a case. It's multiple cases, multiple cases. Yeah. The location really is creepy. It's got a weird air about it. It feels like some kind of burial ground or graveyard. I mean it is literally right, we know this place where many many bodies were dumped. But because it was at one time used, um by people who are trying to get oil out of the ground, I thought you were I thought you were kind of making a joke when you're saying it has uh like, what was it a dark history? Because I was imagining the oil that is underneath it, um. But to me, it's the creepy factor of the killing fields is overwhelming because you're the story as well, the location and the story, because your mind goes to so many different places when you think about multiple people using it as a dumping ground. Agree, because that means we can logically assume that some of these murderers were at some point aware that there were other operators involved, right someone, probably multiple people, I knew that other people they may have never met. We're killing folks and putting their bodies in this area, and they went with it and they got away, and right now, you know, to be clear, folks, this is not a dan on Texas law enforcement. This is not a hit piece on law enforcement in general, honestly, because the professionals there are working with the best information they have. Unfortunately, they don't have all the information they need, which is where you play a part. Not to sound too much like we're America's most wanted or something, but this is a problem. The evidence is out there somewhere, and it is quite possible to bring closure for the survivors of of these victims. I would say, not to soapbox. Yeah, agreed, um, and uh, We've certainly seen longer time periods past than this with with some resolution. So here's hoping that that they do get the justice, at the very least the peace of mind that that they deserve. Is creepy to think it is so close to Houston to guys like it's it's the suburbs of Houston in the place we're talking about, densely populated area. M This is troubling, troubling stuff. But we didn't want to end on a nihilistic note, so we're gonna pause for a word from our sponsors. Stick with us, folks, we'll be back with something like good news mhm. And we've returned. Let's stick to the interstates here in the US, but let's get a little bit of good news I sixty five. You know, we can at least bring some closure here. Someone did get caught, not in the perfect way, and people still died, but almost like the end of True Detective Season one, someone got identified and hopefully this brings a little bit of closure to the people involved. That's right. A gentleman by the name of Harry Edward Greenwell. For decades UM has been wandering through Um, Indiana and Kentucky, targeting women in motels. Um. The search for Greenwell began in nine when the first known victim, age forty one, was found assaulted and shot to behind the Super eight motel in Elizabethtown, Kentucky. UM. Greenwell was a native of Kentucky. He spent time in prison for robbery UH, and then he worked on the railroads across the Midwest for years. UM. He died without answering for his crimes at home UM the age of sixty eight from cancer in Iowa. So certainly not the type of and that someone of that level of depravity deserved. We're not here to pass judgment per se. But it doesn't seem right. UM. But there is good news because just this month, right as we record this episode, law enforcement have conclusively linked his d NA to the crimes. UM. The I six killer was determined to be Greenwell. So even though he's not with us anymore and he in life evaded the law, at least the victims families know who did it and that he's not out there at large anymore. I would say the alternative that being the alternative is uh is far, far worse. Um. It's not the most comforting news in the world. But there's something you know, to add to give a little bit of closure, uh and a feeling of some as semblance of justice for the survivors. Yeah. And as a side note, when Harry Edward Greenwell did die at sixty eight, that was two which you know, when you think about it's been gosh, I's been nine years since since his death. But at least they were able to find him, much in the same way they were able to identify the the Golden State Killer a k a. The original night Stalker. Um. I'm really hoping that technology continues, like forensic genealogy and some of the other techniques, continues to catch people. And even if it is like this with the case of the just identifying who the person was, even if it's posthumously, because it's it's at least that tiny little bit of knowing or understanding what occurred. Agreed, and here for now our story pauses, Folks. We would love to say it ends here, but unfortunately this is not the case. If you were anyone you know suspects, they may have encountered something like the cases we outlined this week, and particularly if you feel local law enforcement has ignored reports, please do contact us and stay safe. We want to make sure that we keep eyes on these sorts of cases because they're real. They're real. It's actively stuff they don't want you to know. Here's how to find us online. I'm sorry. You can find us on Facebook where we have the group Here's where gets crazy. 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