From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of My Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Null. Our compatriot Ben is a way on on adventures what he would call adventures, and we would incur our in fact adventures. Ah, and that makes this a slightly different version of stuff they don't want you to know. It feels weird, always does, always does when Ben is gone. But hey, guess what. As always we're joined by our superproducer, Paul Mission controlled decant. You are still you and you're apparently right here, So that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Can I still be me? Uh? Don't answer that. Let's put a pin in that one. This is fun that we've done this before when Ben's been away on adventures where we this is not a typical day of the week where you would normally hear our listener mail episode. But you know what, we don't believe in calendars here and stuff they don't want you to know. We throw those things out because it's all it's all sham anyway, if you've listened to our recent episode on calendars, Uh, we're gonna do a listener mail episode today. But it's different because you may notice that in our typical weekly listener mail episodes we sort of do a smattering of of missives from various sources, you know, from the internet, but today we're doing only voice driven missives a k a. Voicemails. Yes, it's over explaining this very simple concept that we're doing. That's correct. It's oops all voicemails today on stuff they don't want you to know. And it's mostly a function of us just having so many of these great messages and we still have seventy five right now as we were warning that we haven't even listened to yet. Oh boy, that's okay. Today we're gonna hear from Daniel Moore, broccoli chef and Nick. Okay, here we go. Hey, guys, my name is Daniel, love your show. I'm calling up about the weird bit of news and the warehouse fire. I am in the very tiny bit of the Zen diagram of people who worked actually designing and building fire suppression systems for warehouses, and a person who listens to your show. So here's what I can tell you about warehouse fires and fire suppression systems. I talked to the lead project manager and architects for our company, and he said, it is virtually impossible to have a warehouse without a fire suppression system. The only way he could think of is somebody building their own warehouse out in the middle of Montana. So New York City, it's going to have a fire suppression system. There are two kinds of fire suppression systems. There is E s f our early suppression fast response systems, which were meant to put out the entire fire. Then there's non s f R those are meant to contain the fire until the fireman show up. Now, it's not to say that any s FR system will always put out the fire, and it's not to say that ann E s FR fire system won't put out a fire. It just depends. Um. The second thing, talked to the president of the company and explain the situation to him and explaining, you know, lithium batteries, motorcycles and stuff like that and a lot of paper, and his response was that ship's going to burn, so, um, yeah, it could easily be an E S fr system and of course being in Texas. His one thing was once I started listening things, he's looked me and said, oh and ammo. So yeah, there was probably some ammunition in that warehouse. So that's my two bits on the warehouse fire. Um, good show, Look forward is listening to more episodes take Care of Daniel. Oh my gosh, Okay, we really talk much about that. Uh and when we when we discussed this is obviously a where have I under any old warehouse, a massive warehouse compound housing evidence, you know, for presumably an entire borough of New York, or maybe even greater than that, maybe for the whole city. I'm not quite sure how that works. Yes, it is a This is a story we did on Strange News about a very large warehouse in New York that burnt. There's a huge fire there. It had a lot of evidence inside of it. It was run or owned I guess by a company called the Eerie Basin Marine Associates. That's the whole warehouse itself, and then the police department use some portion of that to store evidence, meaning they're like leasing it from the owners. Um I suppose, so, yeah, they're leasing it that the landlord was eerie based in marine associates UM and you know, just hearing this information from David, learning about E s f R and non E s f R, I'm thinking about specifically E s FR systems like the large overhead sprinklers that you may see if you maybe live in an apartment complex. Many of those have uh kind of the older sprinkler systems that will physically just shoot water on everything. There are other versions of that that have this really cool foam that which some of that foam, by the way, we've talked about it before on this show, has some of those p f A s chemicals in it um. That's one of the reasons it's it functions so well as a fire retardant or it stops the fire, which is a creepy thing to think about, just getting forever chemicals all in or foam and then getting the foam on everything, including on the people, uh you know they are in the warehouse when the fire starts. UM. But those those would make total sense, and it feels like either of those systems would have stopped that fire really no matter what was burning in there, or at least you know, slowed it down enough to where the as David said, the fire department gets there then puts the fire out. Um, but it doesn't seem like anything happened. And then, guys, I found some reporting from the I team at Channel four NBC in New York. Uh. They put out something on December twenty after we had recorded that episode, and it's specifically about fire safety violations sprinkler system violations that Eerie Basin Marine Associates had over the course of one UH, and it may be the reason why the fire got out of control and why everything burned instead of it stopped being h Listen to this nor they had at least seventeen fire safety infractions in so that's failure to test, inspect, or certify sprinkler systems. Yeah, so a little bit more on the negligent tip than perhaps the conspiratorial you know, it was an inside job tip. But I also when looking this stuff because I'm fascinated too, because in my head I was also thinking about, like what about firewalls, you know, like like things that separate different areas of a building, uh and make it where you like compartments on the Titanic, which obviously those didn't work really well either, But the idea is to keep the fire from spreading. But then you picture a warehouse. It's all pretty open, usually with like palette racks and things like that stacking you know, upward. But then you picture again, I'm I'm thinking about like assault on precinct Precinct thirteen, breaking bad and you know heights and things I've seen around police departments. UH. Usually those type of evident storage facilities are more cordoned off and have you know, separated you know, parts between them. So you'd think there would be some manner of slow burning material that would keep the fire from spreading so quickly. That would make sense, and I imagine that, Yeah, if you had something like that in place those firewalls you're talking about, you could at least prevent it from getting to the next warehouse. Right, Um, should be great. I did find an article because now I'm like, you got going down this rabbit hole for the from the National Fire Protection Association n f p A is a thing headline from November of unique fire protection challenges found in warehouse distribution centers. According to the n f p A, UH, warehouse fires happened kind of a lot, kind of an alarming amount, with with one thousand, four hundred and ten warehouse fires, two deaths, twenty injuries, and in estimated one hundred and fifty nine point four million indirect property damage every year. UM, And and nobody wants that, you know, I mean, especially again, you wouldn't think necessarily unless it was an insurance scam that people would be negligent about warehouses holding you know, stuff that you sell to like make money. But still just the same, many of those do go up in flames, as it turns out, more than one might think. So the scope of the destruction, though, does make me scratch my head a little bit. Right, it wasn't it like a complete loss basically? Or you know what I can't yet. I can't find an update to the story where the NYPD is saying here's what was lost, here's what wasn't lost in all of that. We half that somebody's job is the catalog all of that stuff and make notes and make a tick and a ledger for destroyed and fire. You know. But what I can find is the statements from the f d N Y Fire marshals because it's still under investigation, UM just saying yes, we're continuing to assess the damage caused by their fire and an update will be quote available in the future. Um, there were a couple other things I just wanted to bring up here. An f d n Y spokesperson said, quote the warehouse is sprinklered throughout, so like this one that caught on fire does have sprinklers, and the sprinklers activated, but the fire spread too quickly. And one of the points they're making about this, and I think it speaks to what David's talking about. When you're thinking about the layout of a warehouse, like you said, it's just a big open space often maybe with a few rooms in between, but largely open space. The sprinkler layout needs to be modified to how you've got things stacked in there, what types of materials are stored in what areas. So that's a tough that's a tough ask to like change the sprinkler system around unless you've got, you know, a version where you can easily change out head and where the water is actually gonna come down. And the reason I asked about the whole leasing situation is typically you think of like government entities, you know, like the police department or whatever, owning their own building in a space that was built like for that express purpose, but we know budget cuts and things like that might potentially cause them to have to use a pre existing place maybe isn't exactly intended for this, and do it quickly and get all that stuff in there and make it, you know, make do the best they possibly can. But no, sprinklers aren't exactly something you can just kind of move around there. Their pipes and they terminate, you know, water sources. You've got to rerun them or like customize them. Well, yeah, so theoretically, what you would do, as the tenant is you would stack up the things that are more flammable and more at risk in the areas where there's more coverage from the sprinklers. Right, it would be on you then. But it appears that those two things just were out of sync. It wasn't there a thing though, where they were like a lot of combustible like batteries to like like scooters or electric bikes or something like that, And that was a big part of the problem. Yeah, there were there were numerous heavy metals that ended up catching on fire due to some of the stuff that was kept there at the pound. Remember fleet of hoverboards that was an issue here. I don't think so. I don't think those got hit. I think it was mostly lime scooters. No, I'm just joking. I don't know what it was. Um. Yeah, but we we don't have an inventory list here, but just with this one, I just wanted to point out there's no I don't have an update yet. I don't have more information on what cases are actually going to be affected. It's a lot of reporting about the potential of many cases being affected. Uh. And that did happen in mid December. I wasn't well, I'm sorry, what was it on site? But I was in New York and somebody, some local uh mentioned that this was, like, you know, being we're order on the local news and then they knew where this place was, and it was like, you know, it was kind of alarming. Maybe no, I know what it was. It was when you you weren't with us, unfortunately, because but but Ben and I went to New York to do the Elvis Durand show and you had some family stuff. You couldn't make it. And it was one of the guys at Elvis Duran because he was interested in the show and he thought it'd be something that we would have a take on and he was like, oh my god, did you just hear about this? You know? And so his immediate thought was, you know, that's where the mind does tend to go when you hear warehouse full of evidence destroyed, because again, my mind always goes back to that breaking bad uh sequence where they are trying to get one piece of evidence out of of the you know, this lock up, which is basically impenetrable. In order to get there, they have to destroy everything because that's the only way, because you can't really get in. It's the only way to make sure that your thing isn't used against somebody or you or some you know, one of your associates, is to destroy the whole thing. Geez, yeah, I remember when we talked about that, go full destruction. If you wanted to take out one piece of evidence, that's nuts. Well, hey, David, thank you so much for calling giving us that info and for speaking to all the people you spoke to about this. That was very cool. You didn't have to do that, and we appreciate it. I just thought it's something kind of clever. I'm gonna pat myself on the back of this one. Do you want to find a needle in a haystack, burned down the haystack. Oh snap, just saying how hot is the fire gonna get? Is it gonna melt Is it gonna melt down? Metal? I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. Brilliant all right, And with that, we're gonna take a quick break, but we'll be right back with more oops. All voicemails, and we're back with more oops. Left a voice man, Yes we are okay, we definitely are brittany and here we go says is this a britty story? It's not at all. I just that was the closest those those. Yeah. Sorry, I want to learn about this tomato experiment, the famous tomato, the masload tomato experience of of of of nineteen seven. Yes, no, more like of nineteen one. Uh yeah, let's let's get right to it. This is fun. Hey guys, it's more broccoli calling you. I have an identical tomato experience as Noel does, from you know, being forced to eat this life from someone and my aunt in the family, and it was, you know, the best tomato, and they just were convinced that if I tried the absolute best of the thing that I hate that I would love it or whatever at least appreciate it, which of course I did not, And I also proceeded to throw up, and they never made me do it again. But for the most part, I'm totally great with tomatoes. Now. You know that this happened with blueberries when I was a kid. You know, once I threw up the thing that they knew I hated and didn't want to eat that they've been making me eat, then I never had to eat it again once the revergitation happened, which you know, I bet you we're able to like make it happen because that's like psychological damage as a kid. So it makes sense that, like we would, our bodies would align with our brain and result like our bodies. Like, yeah, I'm on board with the brain. Screw your family. I'm gonna pursness up. See if you want me to burst all up again when it's good food, you're not gonna want to waste it on me. See, there is evolutionary logic for it. There isn't. Like studies indicate that like children can taste things like bitterness, perhaps more than adult can, so like to some extent, like when kids don't want to eat vegetables that maybe they're detecting. Can't maybe more serious? Hys fact? Oh man, okay, where to where to start? That is More Broccoli a k a. Stephanie, and I hear her voice more than most other people on our voicemail machine. So shout out to you more Broccoli. Oh I think she's called in before, if I'm not mistaken. Oh yeah, oh yeah. We hear from More Broccoli all the time. She calls in, probably more than anybody else out there. There are a few of you you know who you are calling a lot, but this is the except you and non you don't know who you are yet. But she's called in. This is like the third or fourth time we've used More Broccoli on the air. All right, thank you More Broccoli for sharing your trauma with me, because you're right, it was. It was psychologically traumatic because any you know, I mean as you know um, anytime you know, being words to eat something that you're body and your brain are literally like recoiling from um is not good. Is It can be a real shock to the system. And uh it is such a parental I know best thing to say. No, this is the best one of this and therefore you will instantly change your perspective if you just listen to me and do the thing. Uh And and I'm the first to say that as a parent, you know, with a picky eater for a kid, I think that way too. Sometimes it's just not how it works, because you know, different people have different sensitivities to texture. For example, sometimes it's not even about taste. It's about texture, you know, or it's about like, you know, something that's too squishy, or if it's too whatever, any any of these kind of like adjectives. Like meally that one grosses me out too. I think it's overwhelmingly about texture, and I still have some of that, some aversions to certain things and foods because of what the texture is like. But it is very interesting how that um texture preference changes as you travel throughout the world and go to different parts of the world, and then completely different textures or normalized and then other ones that I really like our weirdest heck, but also it's weird, like my kid doesn't like creamy sauces for example, on pasta, but likes macaroni and cheese. You know, what could be a creamy or sauce than like, you know, Kraft macaroni and cheese, or even that she likes. He prefers the kind that comes out of the bag, the you know, the velvita, the shells, the kind of it's like pre mix and this like bizarre creamy paste. It's a gloop. And but my point is, though it's a lot of it is framed by psychology, a lot of it is framed by like how you interpret the thing. You know. It's like some people only like food if it's in a certain shape, like if it's in a case of dilla versus if it's in a bowl on its own. You know, you need some kind of rapper. And I think that's true of a lot of things, like not to be too much of a stretch, but like even ideas, you know, it's a lot easy or to to accept something if it's kind of wrapped in like a nice pastry shell. You know. Like actually we talked about this the other day in our episode about um, you know, helping people, you know, kind of talk to folks with very very different opinions. Is sometimes you've got to sneak those veggies in the conversation in order to uh, to get you know, the nutrients needed to the to the person who is just already predecided they don't want them. But um, this call from from more broccoli also made me think about just how taste buds and our sense of taste is also a product of evolution too, because you know, as as we've evolved, it's like taste is much more of a luxury than it is like a way of detecting bad will this will kill you, you know. So now it's like you that's itchy because it tastes like you know, broccoli or whatever, instead of like, oh I I taste in an herb or or some sort of ingredient or substance that if I eat too much of it it will kill me, you know. Um, So it's like taste, you know, like any sense we've it's kind of been repurposed in a lot of ways. And now, you know, as you get older, you you lose some taste buds, and your taste buds maybe get a little duller um, and but they also we kind of feed them in different ways, Like when you get older, you might lose your sweet tooth, but you might really really like like kim che or something that you know, maybe a small child might just be too overwhelming, you know, in terms of the kind of funky spiciness of it all. And then we get older, you create that. But I like your cultural perspective on this too, Mad, I'd love to explore that a little deeper, because in Korea, I'm sure they feed small kids kim chi, and it's all this about acclimating, you know, like from a from an early age and what you get used to America, we feed kids pablum and kind of flavorless crap. I mean, many times it becomes, oh, I'm sorry, kid, you don't like the way that tastes. We don't have any other foods, so exactly, don't eat I guess until you're ready to eat the raw tomatoes. Yeah right, So I have gotten past it to a degree. I still would never in a million years on purpose eat a tomato on its own, but I like it on a burger. I like it on a club sandwich, you know, seasoned. But yeah, the thing if I ate a raw tomato right now, um less. So with cherry tomatoes, I find they're they're a little sweeter or something, but it's got a thing to it that I just don't love on its own. And I can imagine as a kid with more perhaps sensitive buds, that that thing that I still don't kind of love would have just been all encompassing and just kind of knocked me on my ass and made me literally vomit all over the lovely tray of tomatoes that my mother prepared, you know, the best of the season. That's whatever seems like too many tomatoes. Yeah, it was a platter, And like the I didn't let the look of him either. I don't know, man, tomatoes have always kind of but I love and always have, and same with like kids. You know, spaghetti. Every kid loves spaghetti because it's got a lot of sugar in it. It's got like things in it that offset the natural taste. It's ketchup. Doesn't taste like it's tomato has ever been anywhere near it, you know? And yet Ben and I did an episode on Catchup on Ridiculous History and real you know hines Ketchup. I said, I bet there's not even any tomato in that stuff. There is. It's all cooked down with a lot of sugar and special spices and stuff to the point where it's kind of been transformed into something that really has no relationship to its tomato, even if that's like what's in it. I want to go back to this evolutionary thing, the concept of our taste buds for some for some reason or somehow being um desensitized to a lot of things and losing inability to detect that which might harm us. I'm just thinking about the the stuff that ends up in many of our processed foods that we consume on a regular basis, in many of even the fresh foods. If you, you know, think about um instances of high levels of mercury within specific types of fish, right or you know when there were those massive oil spills and people were still eating Gulf shrimp that we're coming out of the you know, from the bottom of the ocean where all that stuff that the dispersant and the oil was all just on the bottom where all of the crustaceans were hanging out. And I don't know, it just it wears me out because I can't tell you to mention microplastics, yeah, in the forever chemicals. I mean, I can't taste that stuff. I don't know when it's going into my body. But I guarantee you my bacteria that lives within me, in my stomach and my intestines knows when it gets in there well. And and that that's the thing that I think is interesting to do is like, is our equipment being dulled over time where we can't maybe taste more nuanced things in terms of the actual you know, how the sensors of our tongues, you know, none of our taste buds are are functioning. But it's also a relationship to our brain, right because we can our brain allows us to pick out more nuanced things even if our equipment is a little adult because especially you know, things like cigarette smoking for example, uh, chemical pollutants uh and and various you know, environmental factors absolutely do you know have an effect on taste and smell over time for the long haul. Not to mention, I've heard of people having long COVID you know, or and having some of those changes to their smell and taste stick around and think like maybe it's you know, it doesn't like it's not like you can't smell or taste. But I have heard cases of people saying it never fully came back and now they've got like deficient sniffer and uh and taste, but um one even more broccoli mentioned as well is the idea of maybe kids are tasting things like impurities. Maybe kids are actually because they've got this like fresh new, you know, right off the lot tongue. You know, they can taste like things like chemical pollutants, perhaps um or like a lot of produce and things. They don't taste the way they did originally because they've changed, Like you know what they talk about the way of banana taste now versus what a banana used to taste like. And that's a lot of that's as a result of you know, different processes, you know, and things like that. I don't know, he's taking out all kinds of different species of banana, right And literally I'm not saying that there's this like evolutionary mind or something that like gets dumb down over time necessarily, but I'm interested in, like, I would love to see studies as to like how much better kids can taste than adults, and if that means that they are able to have a if they knew what to connect it to, if we could like train a kid to be like a super taste like a drug sniffing dog, you know what I mean. That's not very ethical, I know, but we're just talking you know, conceptually here. But I don't know, man, this is interesting concept because I think we take for granted that the taste isn't something that's just for fun, you know, like taste is. It's it's one of our senses, and and it really has a lot of connection to memory and deep um pathways to the brain, you know. Wha, yeah, yeah, it does make me think about the absolute importance of taste when you know, early humans are out foraging or hunting and tracking animals or figuring out which berry is actually edible and the distinct flavor, like I mean, obviously visually identifying you know, a berry, being able to taste a small sample that berry and know whether that is a poisonous one or not. Um, just how important that is and how because we survived, because we're still products of that same those same lines. We've got some of that in us somewhere. Yeah. It's almost like smelling sort of the pretest and then tasting sort of the next level test, you know what I mean. And uh, you know, hopefully one bad berry wouldn't be enough to kill you, um, but you would you would know, hope theoretically from the taste but also isn't the deal that a lot of those kind of sweet berries they're uh there as as a species, you know, as a plant, their defense mechanism is to be sweet and to therefore it kind of attract the thing that thinks they're the other thing and then eats them and dies so they can't eat anymore. You know, I know, nature crazy, I'm crazy. I'm imagining more broccoli living in some time several several thousand years ago, and she's out looking for you know, foods that she in her group can eat, and she comes across just the best looking ripe, juicy tomato and tastes, takes a bite of it and just goes, well, no way never But you know there's all those tomatoes. Man, they could eaten all those tomatoes, and I'm I'm I'm off my tree as we're talking about uh agriculture here, because I was exactly the opposite. It would be more the color that would that would attract you know, an animal to a poisonous berry. But typically berries that are sweet are not toxic, and berries that that are really bitter or like have you know, a taste that is unpleasant in some way are toxic. So that you know, So there, that's the thing that would be the next test, right, you might visualize and say, oh, that looks nice, that's it's it's bright and invite, and then you give it a smell and you can't quite tell, and you give a little taste. Oh that's bitter. Bitter equals bad. Why in terms of survival? How how did cranberries end up writing that line just so perfectly? Isn't that the thing? Though, Matt? That's kind of what we're getting at in this whole conversation is now taste, I think is a lot less evolutionarily important in that way. So we can eat bitter things. We've evolved maybe too, like nastier quote unquote things or things that typically would be like spit out you know, by a child or or you know, uh, an antelope, because we don't have to worry about that anymore because we have other ways to test our food and we're not really foraging so much, you know, as a species anymore. So anyway, this is a neat one. We can kind of go go longer with this one, but I think we've about gotten there. What do you think, Matt? Time for a little ad break perhaps, Oh, and last thing though, Matt, Um, I think we've talked about this definitely. Some of our our latter day How Stuff Works podcasts have certainly talked about us. But do you know about the concept of being a super taster? I do? I know. I know it in context for some reason of ice cream, somebody who maybe worked for Hoggin DAWs or Ben and Jerry's. I remember watching a story on somebody who could taste the ice cream and know all of the different components that were in it. Uh, it was really interesting. And that's probably the same. You know. I think you can train again, you can train your brain to kind of pick that stuff out. But if you literally have more sensitive I keep using the word equipment, then you're going to be more predisposed to be able to do that. Um. But like Somalia is, for example, who trained themselves to be able to taste different aspects of wine? You know, and you know things that sometimes come off as pretentious and absolutely absurd like and notes, Well, I I think there are there are. There is truth to that to a degree. Um, if you know what you're you're tasting for. But to the average you know, you or me, I'll take a bottle of ten buck chuck most of the time. But um, you know, and this applies to scent as well, with folks that can like really break out all the different parts of a perfume, you know, and all the different components. So but but if you're interested, if you're a supertaster, no, they actually do have I think more taste buds or they have like just like the the the tongue of the supertaster has taste buds clustered much closer together, and they can taste certain tastes much more specifically. And there is a way if you go to Scientific American dot com you can find out if you are a super taster you can actually order this like little thing that if you just look a little it looks like a little piece of paper kind of I think. And if you put it in your mouth and it tastes bitter than you, you are a super taster. There's there's different ways of going about it, but uh, pretty interesting stuff, definitely. Oh well, no, do you want to hear about it? No, we should go to a break. Okay, let's do it. We're back and we are jumping to a message from chef. Hey, guys, what's up. This is Chef UM. I recently listened to your classic episode about pyramids, really really really cool stuff. I really enjoyed it. Um. Something that you guys didn't touch on, and maybe you know about it, maybe you don't. But the Azoros Islands part of Portugal, it's out in the Atlantic. There are underwater pyramids and above land pyramids that looks like they were pretty hard to make. Um. There was a guy who was refarking them and you got a bunch of money from the government, and then the government shut him down. There's an underwater pyramid thing and there either even some people are saying that it might be like to do with the legend of Atlantic. I don't know. Something to check out the Adorans Islands and there's just some weird stuff going on there. I hope you guys are having a great day. Love your show brings me so much joy. And yeah, it's just nice to hear these pool guys talking about pool stuff. Sea man. I love Chef's enthusiasm for life. It's it's infectious, like a some sort of pleasant plague. It's really good. It's really good. Puts a smile on my face. Thank you for calling in and saying those things. Yeah. No, it's it's absolutely and infectious, like some sort of delightful plague. Um. You know, I mean that with with all of love, as as do I mean with love when I say I have always heard, uh, these particular islands pronounced as the Azores, And I think I probably only know that from like watching the shows about rich people talking about going on vacation. I think it's a popular destination for like rich people Paradise is Oh see. You know I have not caught those uh those shows or mentions. I didn't know this, so I just went right along with Azorus. Uh. I know, I've seen it written as the Azorian Regional Government. Uh so the way it's written, it makes it feel or like it's Azores to me. Yeah, it could be that I'm just pronouncing it the way all these jerky rich folks do and then they're wrong. Um so who's to say but many? Yeah exactly, let's let's find one of them. But you had been underwater pyramids, Yes, underwater structures of any kind um kind of freaked me out and fascinate me. Yeah, because it speaks to some kind of pre flood civil civilization, possibly potentially right, And that's kind of cool that it really is the territory of the ancient ones, the ones who time forgot um, people who maybe had technology or at least the the myths around potential lost technologies and civilizations. That it's just fascinated everybody on this show for so long, and it's probably fascinated you too. Uh. We did some digging in to the potential underwater pyramid in this area, and we want to tell you what we found. So back in there were several or and actually there were several articles posted about a man who had taken his boat out to this area in the Azores and was looking for potential fishing uh, areas I guess like looking at the bottom of the sea the depth right to see where there are potential fishing spots and to get other information just about the geology of that area. And this person saw some weird stuff through the technology where you're actually scanning the bottom of the ocean there and you're looking at elevation. Uh. He found a thing that if you look at the picture and the read out, it looks like a pyramid that has submerged underwater like sixty down and it's it's got that kind of diamond shape with the four corners, and it appears that two of the corners are oriented north and south, the way the pyramids, the Great Pyramids of Giza are oriented, and and other pyramids that are found across the planet. So if you're just looking at that image of what he saw on the technology he was using to scan the sea floor, you'd think maybe this guy found a pyramid down at the bottom of the sea. So he went on the local news there and told his story. You can find a video of that at surfer today dot com. They've got an embedded video where you can actually watch this person his last name is Silva, and he's speaking to some local reporter and going over the footage. You can look at it. Um. It does appear that there was a lot of interest after this story went out. There's public interest. There's also interest from other groups who you know, study this stuff all the time. And again, if you just look at the footage, it seems compelling. No, did you get a chance to look at that at all, just to see the picture? Yeah, I'm I'm dialing up surfer today right now. Is that that's still one of the top of the divers. No, that's not an actual photo. If you look at that photo, that is a photoshopped comp okay, because that looks really cool. I am. I'm scrolling through it and I see the structures as they appear on like what looks like kind of one of those fishing boats. Uh radar kind of deals right. It shows elevation and you can see that it's you know, kind of mapping the train and showing that there's a structure with a big, you know, flat base that kind of goes up to a point like like a pyramid because it's degrees. It definitely looks like it right from that imagery. If that's all you had, you think that could be something. But here's what happened after this news story went out and you know, others got interested. We can jump to the Portuguese American Journal, which posted something on October nine, which pretty unequivocally states, No, this is not an underground pyramid. This is a volcano structure that this person saw that is known by everybody here. It's between the two large islands, Teter Sierra and sal Miguel. And you kind of look at the two pictures of these on a map, and this volcano structure that they're saying is at a depth of about forty meters, like the top of it, the part that this person saw, it's known, it's been there for a long time. Nothing to see here, basically, So I just want to ask you, what do you think? Do you think there's nothing to see here? Nol? I don't know. Man. Uh that that photo shop she got me go? But see, I think that's what happened here. A middle structure found by amateur sailor not man made uh and Portuguese American journal. Um, this is I mean, there's no follow up to this. What were you able to find when you when you douge a little deeper? Matt, this seems like it's not that deep. Can't you just go check it out? Like? Where's where is the mystery remaining? Now? You not you personally, I'm not expecting you to put on your wet suit and then go check it out. But wouldn't there be underwater foot photography of it? Now? It seems like the locals are saying nothing to see here. Folks, we already know what this is. I was wondering, where where is the remaining part that's in question? Um, there's really nothing that's in question to to my understanding, I think this is the kind of thing because of that sensational photo that's at the top of this older article. Like you said, it's um, it's a it's a stock photo, a couple of stock photos that have been smashed together, looks like scuba diving photo and a pyramid photo, and they just kind of over relate them. You see that. You see the headline underwater pyramid. Your mind, you know, your mind goes to all kinds of places, and it's something you want to talk about, some that you want to share, and it's something you don't want to get disappointed about. You don't want to be disappointed. Oh, it's just a it's a known volcanic mound magic, you know, I know, I mean, it's true. I need to and I think this this what we're seeing here in real time, is this story kind of morphing into being the story maybe about a potential underwater pyramid and more a story about like how you do need to kind of check your sources, not not you call er specifically, but all of us because I you heard me in real time, uh, calling for the same thing, because I'm like, wait, that's awesome. Yes, I'm on board. You see that picture and now that I'm looking at, don't even closer. It's not even a very good photoshop. So it's just a matter we can all be taken in by this stuff. You all just kind of heard me being taken in by it. I'm looking now and there's a really bad textural overlay of like bubbles. I mean, it's pretty embarrassing. But you know what, let me be the sacrificial lamp here because you know how many days a week do we do this stuff. We talk about this stuff, and my brain immediately was like, yeah, underwater pyramids, let's go. You know, well, I think that's the natural reaction, right to anybody who grew up with a little bit of mystery being allowed. You know, if you're allowed to take your mind to those places, then underwater pyramids just makes you go yes, yes, um, but you you have to think about it kind of coldly. The Azores, it's a series of nine volcanic islands. Okay, the this whole area that we're talking about. This is another small volcanic not quite island yet, but maybe aspires to be an island one day, or maybe it was a volcano a long time ago. I I don't know the geology behind that particular mound, but you know it has the same it has the same potential as all the other islands to just pop up above water. That's just kind of a boring reality, I guess it is. But but I think this is important, especially on the heels of our you know, how to be a skeptic episodes, you know. I mean, this stuff really is import I almost just fell for it again. I stopping through on Instagram on my phone. Breaking news. The Tibetan monk discovered in a mountain cave in Nepal is now considered the oldest person in the world at two six years old. I'm like, that's awesome, and then it goes he was found in a state of deep meditation tell Taka TETs. Archaeologists first thought he was a mummy, but then noticed that he has vital signs and is alive. Among his things, they found an old scroll that says I've seen Jerry more times than you, and it's on a page called Ohio Dead family, what like grateful dead Jerry. I've seen Jerry. I mean, but I see this breaking news and there's a picture of all these medical people handling this shriveled looking monk, and I'm like, yes, monk found in cave, the oldest living human. Look, I'm joking a little bit, but also like it's it's a thing, you know, It's just be vigilant. There's so much there's so much junk out there, so so much. But Chef, that doesn't mean the other things you were talking about that message are necessarily debunked. I don't know anything else about the other pyramids in the a SoRs. I don't know this area at all. This is literally my first time thinking about that place. So we're gonna put our heads into it and see if we can find anything that is worth everybody's time. It is a weird thing. That guy made a discovery that he felt was significant, talked to a reporter, That reporter sent it out to everybody, and then it became a huge news story for a moment. Right then it died down and waited for somebody else to discover it through search and then make social media post about it. But that's how a lot of things happen. They get this second life either as like a meme or as whatever it might be. Um because somebody reposted it in just the right way. And whereas it used to be like you know, people that told tall tales, you know, if it was heard by enough people, it might eventually get elevated to the level of myth, and then elevated to the level of like folklore, and and the difference between all those things usually involved more fewer primary sources, you know what I mean. Folklore a lot of time is based in ritual and in tradition. But then tall tales are kind of like made up stories, you know, that then get repeated in the rent in a different context and become you know, there's a grain of truth to it. And now that's just the Internet. The Internet is are like oral and visual tradition now, and it's so easy to bark up the wrong tree and just start spreading stuff around. Um. The good news is it can also be shut down much more quickly. But sometimes it gets out of hand and then, you know, as Ben often says, nobody reads the retraction. You know, no one, no one reads the exoneration. They just they just know someone was accused of something or that some crazy thing happened, and then they just run with it because everyone's brain again, that confirmation buys everyone's brain wants to be right, that wants to be the rightest one in the room with the best scoops, you know, in the best info. It's way more fun to talk about underwater pyramids than it is volcanic mounds that are just chilling down below the water. Mm hmm, yeah, just life, man. We got so many voicemails and we're not going to get to today. Um yeah. We always kind of like, ah, you need like ten of them, you know. But then the guys are so fascinating that we just can babble on about, you know, and if it was all three of us, it would have gone even longer. Uh. That's that's the point. We just we love hearing from you and your stories, and it really kind of just makes us feel like we're part of a community, you know, and we hope it makes you feel the same way. No, I want, or if you wouldn't mind, if we could close with a it's not a discussion. I just want you to hear what Nick said, and then we can then we can end the episode. Hey guys, long time listener, first time caller. My name is Nick. Um. I was listening to one of your shows back from September. You're about I think a strange news animal attacks. You guys are talking about a turkey attack on an old man. Well, we're gonna assume he's old, because how else do you'll break hips with turkeys. But you said something about that turkeys can't fly. That's not true. Turkeys can fly just fine. Wild turkeys will fly fifty six ft into a tree to roost at nighttime, and they're capable going straight vertically up like any other bird. It's really impressive. And second, when a bunch of males get into a group, you know they're called Jake's when they're young and Tom's when they're a little bit older, they can get pretty aggressive. And on top of that, they have on the back of each heel a little bit above their feet what are called spurs. I don't know if you've ever seen them. Are a wooster, they may have a character in like fingernails, but they're basically a giant knife on the back of their feet. So what they do is they jump up flop, which is intimidating, but they come down on their enemies I guess with their spurs, and they can they can cut you up pretty good. I know this as a turkey hunter, that's really it. But yeah, they're actually really impressive and they can be pretty intimidating because they don't give up. You can take a turkey, but they'll come right back at you like they're not going to give up. They don't just go away. You don't have to get away from him. And they're scary. You know the bird, they had something that big come at you. It's pretty freaking scary. But anyway, thanks guys, love the show, all right, thanks by cool cool cool cool. I'm sorry, No, we don't have to do this, na man nah man nah, I don't like any of that one bit. I'm sorry. We got we got knife foot knife rooster, the turkey guys now coming at me from the trees, dive bombing on me. Oh my god. This is designed for my nightmare. Yeah also the group. So, I mean, I know we've talked about this and I'm really only barely playing up my fear here because it's definitely abated over time. Like I'm not gonna like run away from like a bird. But I was once chased by a rooster. I did not want to be caught. But turkeys are so beefy. Man, they're so like, oh if they if they can't imagine just getting bombed by a turkey out of a tree with it flipping its knife heels at you. I mean no, I would I would go catatonic. Okay, you would have to I would like, yeah, Now, it would take a lot to pull me out of that FuG state. I could tell you, well, maybe if they didn't think you were a threat, they would cease their attacking, their their knife. I guess me. I would just I would like to think. I can't say. Um, I would like to think I would just go limp and just play dead. I would probably be dead. I would probably die of shock if that were to happen to me. There you go. Nick said, LA have some sweet dreams. Tonaa. Sorry, No, I sometimes wake up thinking there are turkeys. I'nder my covers and yeah, well all right, uh um, I don't. I don't want to torture you know, I I just it. Yeah, man, Yeah, you're gleeful. Laughter belies your true here what you just said. You say you say the most wonderful things when when you're in that state and it just brings me creature you I do I will cook the hell out of a turkey. That's right. That's how you get revenge. That's how I take back my agency. I got a real knife, okay, and it's big and sharp and he made a caratin it's made of Japanese cold steel. Yeah, cold Japanese steel. Sorry that sounded weird, but alright, Okay, this was fun, Matt, Yeah, it was. This is fun. 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